NO PLAYOFFS for San Diego! lol

Poor San Diego! They worked sooo hard and now they have dropped their last 5 games...5 GAMES! They are hurting pretty bad now. They looked soo good in the beginning of the year and now they can't do anything. Also, to all you Flutie Fans, here's his stats for the day!

Flutie 19/33, 195 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INT

Something tells me that Flutie could be cut or at least benched if they know what they are doing. He had some terrible throws today. Oh well! Go Bills! :)

[BigDoug]

This is a Bills board...who cares about SD. Off to the smackdown.

[MVDaBomb]

Originally posted by BigDoug
This is a Bills board...who cares about SD. Off to the smackdown.

That's funny....You made no reply and didn't complain that "This is a Bills board" earlier today when Mike brought up the Broncos struggles on the SAME MESSAGE BOARD.
Why don't you stop pretending like you only care about the Bills and you're not devastated by the Flug-lead Dolts 5 game skid.

[BigDoug]

Sorry, bud...have a life & didn't scroll down to that one yet.

Geezus...get a life.

Anyone else starting to feel the Brees?

[Kicker22705]

Now all the damn people will see that Flutie wasn't all that great. I was sick and tired of people telling me the bills made the wrong decision by cutting flutie. and i told them the only reason flutie succeeded was because he played on a bills team that boasted the number 6, 1, and 3 ranked defense during his time w/ the bills. Thats the only reason he had such a great record w/ the bill. I told them Flutie wasn't good for our team b/c his arm severely gets weaker and weaker as the season goes along losing zips on the ball which results in interception and having to throw shorter passes and resorting to scrambling. That causes defenses the bunch up on the line of scrimmage completely eliminating the running game which results to a very bad offense.

Granted the RJ isn't do much better but its lets us know that the bills didn't make the wrong decision.

[MVDaBomb]

"Get a Life"....AHA HAHA...
3rd grader just called...he wants his punchline back.
How convenient that you ONLY have a life when somebody brings up another team OTHER than the Chargers.
But not all of us have such exciting lives that we have enough time to import a picture of a weather map next to our names :)

[casdhf]

I don't think having a 37 year old QB start on a reubilding team would be the answer anywhere

[Judge]

Why is this on this board and not Smackdown?

What's the matter there Judge? Upset that your boy ain't doin' so well now afterall your support!

[bduff54]

i agree wys, i defended flutie for all the abuse he was taking here, but now i wil lbe the first to admit that there season is over and he should no longer be their QB. judge and whoever else supported flutie but now won't repsond ot post abot him just because they are posted in the wrong forum are just hiding behind a technicality.

[Judge]

Originally posted by bduff54
i agree wys, i defended flutie for all the abuse he was taking here, but now i wil lbe the first to admit that there season is over and he should no longer be their QB. judge and whoever else supported flutie but now won't repsond ot post abot him just because they are posted in the wrong forum are just hiding behind a technicality.

What? I never said that Flutie was the answer. I said he's not as bad as Wys etc. think he is, and not the great Satan that some have made him out to be. I still like the guy, and still root for him. I never said he was a top QB, all i said was that he was a positive contributor to the Bills while here.

Why attack me, bduff? You've agreed with me for weeks.

[Judge]

Originally posted by wyswings
What's the matter there Judge? Upset that your boy ain't doin' so well now afterall your support!

Like I said, all I've done is defend Flutie against the ridiculous abuse I don't think he deserves. I still think he was a good QB for this team while he was here, and wish him well where he is.

I am not the kind of person who feels better about things by rooting for another person to fail.

I saw the entire game and I wouldn't pin that on Doug if you paid me. Jones gets stripped of the ball, another pops out of the guy's hands at about the 5 yard line into the defender's arms, missed field goals by whatsisname (not Christie) and a now non-existant running game by Tomlinson.... gimme a break. The only time SD moved the ball was when Flutie passed it to Dwight. That club is about 5 players deep (5 more that the Bills) and if it weren't for the Flutie and Dwight combo, Seau and the boys on D wouldn't be able to hold that team in any games. They'd be the same place they were last year.

Brees won't be starting this year. Flutie's not to blame one bit for their demise and if you think he is you lack objectivity. Goodness gracious.

[bduff54]

sorry judge, i thought that you originally wanted him as our QB and now are reversing your opinion, my apoligies. but i do think that he is on his way out of the league.

Originally posted by bduff54
but i do think that he is on his way out of the league.

Oh, Jose Delion! Of course he's on his way out. He's 39. But he's still better than anybody we have. And yes, that's sad.

[bduff54]

i agree rude, he is better than anybody we have. we need a new QB badly, van pelt is not good enough, johnson could be good enough but i really don't want to see him play here again. we need somebody new

[bills_phan]

could be good enough but i really don't want to see him play here again

That's an excellent reason to cut RJ. The Bills should just cut everyone that bduff does not like. Then they'd be Super Bowl bound for sure! Is this a Flutie thread? The problem with Doug is the problem that's always been with Doug - he throws his arm out and can't finish an NFL season. It's the Pedro Martinez (sp) argument: he doesn't physically weigh enough to hurl a ball that hard that many times in a season without making his arm go dead or getting injured. He sure did beat up on inferior opponents during the first part of the season, but since then he has shown the country why he was not the correct choice for Buffalo. Not surprisingly, RJ's hurt for the rest of the season, but Flutie would not be winning games for the Bills this year either. San Diego can have him. It's time to draft a quarterback.

Originally posted by bills_phan
San Diego can have him.

San Diego did take him, and San Diego has a better record that us. If they had any secondary they'd have an even better record. And if Jones would have held onto the ball last night and caught it they'd have won that game. Don't pin this on DF's arm. Nothing to do with it.

I quit this thread. What a waste of cyberspace.

[bills_phan]

<b>Don't pin this on DF's arm. Nothing to do with it.</b>

Rude, you seem to be a fairly smart guy. How can you make such a statement? There is supporting statistics for my statement. Here's Flutie's stats since he threw his arm out in the week 7 "Super Bowl" matchup:

Pass Attempts: 151
Completions: 82
Percentage: 54%
Touchdowns: 3
Interceptions: 8
Fumbles: 2
Wins: 0
Losses: 5
QB Rating: 48.7 (approx)

You're right, his arm is fine. It's not Doug's fault. All he does is win games, right?

"Flutie's not to blame one bit for their demise and if you think he is you lack objectivity."

Nice try there Rude!

STs is #1 in the league in both scoring and field position setup w/ an avg. of at their 35.
LDT is the 6th leading rusher in the NFL on pace for over 1,300 and well over 10 TDs AS A ROOKIE.
Their D has done all it can be expected to do in most of their losses so far this year.

"their passing D"??? They held Seattle to 10 points in regulation!

Three (3) trips inside the red zone, 1 TD only. 10 points vs. SEATTLE.

26th, before yesterday's game, in the league in red zone TD success! GEE! I wonder who's worse!

Also, "...39, of course he's on his way out!" Wait a minute! I thought he was playing like he was 29!? So which is it now? He went from playing like he was 29 to playing like he's on his way out in what, 5 games??? Interesting!

"... the ridiculous abuse" Judge? How about the ridiculous defense of him now!

Funny! He's the reason why they won up front in spite of the lack of performance out of the QB position and stellar D/STs. And none of the losing is his fault!!!

I gotta hand it to you guys, at least you're consistent!!!

the stupid thing wouldn't let me merge threads. :rolleyes: So I just cut and pasted and deleted the thread.. ok..

stats, stats and more stats.

Here are a couple stats; going into yesterdaty their O was 5th in the league and 1st in the league in fourth quarter points scored. So one could argue that DF gets stronger as the game goes on, couldn't they?

Also, I saw some very well-thrown balls last night that thread needles to Tim Dwight. His arm strength is not a factor in their demise. How could it be when they are among the league leaders in points scored?

Wys',

Sp if they are so strong offensively wherein lies the problem? Can't be with Doug. It's the coaching, just like I hold GW and his retarded boss accountable for this season. If you're 5th in the league in scoring you should be better than 5-7. I never said he was playing like he was 29. He's not. He's playing solid veteran ball. Enough said.

With THAT stat you could very well argue that most of S.D.'s points come in garbage time vs. prevent Ds! No?

S.D. is averaging LESS THAN 18 ppg out of their offense this year. They're O has 212 pts. in 12 games. That's generally good enough to place them in the bottom 10 in the league at the end of the year. Frankly, it doesn't figure to improve next week in Philly, and then w/ Oakland at home, and then K.C. on the road.

Take the blinders off fellas! It's over!

Personally, I think Norv Turner is slightly overrated as being a genius.

I would rather see him being the head guy instead.

Come on guys!!! OPEN YOUR EYES HERE!

For cryin' out loud! They'll have one of the top WRs, top RBs, #1 STs in the league, a D that's been doin' their job generally speaking and a QB that is average AT BEST and probably well below it and you guys REALLY want to blame the coaching?

Then it had better be the QB coach!!!

They've improved on ALL sides of the ball this year. Their D was good last year and have not allowed a 100 yd. rusher in 59 of their 63 last outings. THAT is GREAT D! STs is indisputeably #1 in the league for scoring and providing FP.

LDT is a top 10 rusher in the NFL and Conway is on pace for a career Pro-Bowl year and F. Jones is one of the best pass catching TEs in the league!

What else do you need? A good QB!

If S.D. had McNabb they'd be 9-3!!!

[bills_phan]

Flutie blows Rude Americans

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[bduff54]

i get it.:D

How come none of the San Diego scribes see it that way.

They're not screaming about Flutie gunking up the joint the way the Buffalo and Rochester reporters have described RJ's performances.

Everyone knows you'll never get a straight answer out of any team regarding their future personnel plans.

San Diego's defense has always been overrated. It's always good, keeping the team close, but never able to keep a lead. Way to much credit is given for Junior's antics.

An excerpt from Nick Canepa's article on 11-26-01

"Yesterday's debacle marked the 11th occasion -- fifth time this year -- over the past two seasons that the defense has allowed the winning points in the final three minutes."

http://www.uniontrib.com/sports/canepa/20011126-9999_1s26canepa.html

11 minus 5 means last year the D let 6 games go in the last 3 minutes. I wouldn't say the SD D was "good last year" with that kind of inability.

Keeping running backs under 100 yards isn't the measure of a good D. That's good, but "Running" is only half of the equation.

The following site might be of interest for finding newspapers throughout the country.


http://www.newspaperlinks.com/home.cfm

Great article. Especially the bit about themissed field goals.

I've been saying all year that their seconday gets beat like a rented mule. Couple that with missed 3 pointers and SD is where they are.

[bills_phan]

Who's side are you on, Rude?

Here's the deal, phan.

Like some people, all I want is for Doug to do well. I thought he gave us way more than you could expect from a "back-up" QB. When people rip on him I think it's buulsh!t. Those same people pump robs stats this and that and the bottom line is he doesn't earn his money.

So, I'm on the side of the guy who plays his ass off week in week out for the entire season. AVP can do that. Who cares if he sucks. He's in a uniform.

That's definitely not "rude", it's sensible.

[bills_phan]

Here's the deal, Rude:

Unlike some people, all I want is for the BILLS to do well. I could care less about some qb who used to play for the Bills and now plays for a rival AFC team. I hope he sucks it up every week, just like I hope the other 29 starting qbs in the NFL suck it up every week. When Doug Flutie was playing for the Buffalo Bills, I pulled for Doug Flutie as hard as anyone. If the front office had decided to keep Doug Flutie, I would be pulling for him still. The fact is, he is not. What really pisses me off is self-proclaimed Buffalo Bills fans who would rather see a former Bills qb do well with his new team than the current qb do well for the Bills. Please don't insult my intelligence by defending Doug Flutie and claiming to want what's best for the Buffalo Bills at the same time.

You're claiming I insulted your intelligence? Nope.

Unlike you, I can be a fan of a player who is not on my team. The New England game on the 16th will be my third this year, yet I'm 6 hours away. I'm not a fan of the Bills because I like Doug Flutie? What hor'****, man. No offense. ;)

I liked Wayne Gretzky everywhere he went. I didn't care how the team did (Sim to SD) but I routed for him. I liked retired right-winger Mike Millar, my cousin, and routed for him everywhere he went, too... Hartford, Wash., Boston, Toronto, but until he was a Leaf I cheered against his team when they played Toronto. Doesn't make any less of a Leafs fan.


I like Christie too!!!!! Go Steve!

[bills_phan]

Guess that's the difference between us, then. I've got tunnel vision when it comes to the Bills and Sabres. I guess that if I had a relative or friend that played for another team I would wish them well, but not at a Buffalo team's expense. I can also see your point when it comes to players like Gretzky, Jordan, and that's about it. I can't stand Mario Lemieux because he plays in the same conference. The one flaw in your argument is that, unless you and DF are first cousins, well let's put it this way: Doug Flutie is no Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, Mario Lemieux, etc... I say GO BILLS and GO SABRES and screw the rest of em. That's how I was raised to love my teams.

BTW: I can appreciate that you drive 6 hours to see THIS team play. I've had issues getting motivated to drive in from Rochester this season and that's only an hour or so away.

Great! All the power to ya, my friend. I like DF. Always have, always will.... unless he's playing the Bills.

[BogusTrumper]

I like Flutie even when he is playing the Bills so why don't you beat up on me now? I kinda like it. :cool:

[junglesouljah]

So now your admiting to being a flutie flake and not a bills fan?
Go cheer for S.D. then.

How does being a Flutie Fan mean your not a Bill's Flake?

[junglesouljah]

I'm a bills fan, if that makes me a "Bill's Flake" then so be it. I dont' cheer aginst my team when a former player plays our team. I consider people to be flutie flakes if they cheer aginst the bills when DF plays the bills, and they claim they are bills fans. If your a bills fan you should never cheer aginst your team. These are the same idots that still have flutie jerseys and where them proudly, and try to start **** with RJ cause they can't handle the fact that there boy is washed up, and the bills made the right chioce in letting him go. Your a hypocrite if you say your a bills fan, and then cheer for DF to win when S.D. plays buffalo

What's TOTALLY HYSTERICAL is the amount of analysis that goes into salvaging Flutie's career now that he isn't on a team w/a great D.

Here in Buffalo ALL that mattered were sacks and wins and on top of that any and all insistances that would mitigate RJ's performances were categorically dismissed! Even NOW you continue to dismiss any mitigating circumstances for ANY of RJ's performances. EVEN those games in which Flutie played on the same day, vs. the same team, w/ the same team and performed worse.

NOW, in S.D. all these things that simply didn't and continue to not mitigate ANY of Rob's performances, we are supposed to suck up as THE reasons why S.D.'s plight has little to do w/ Flutie!

Do you REALLY not see the hypocrisy involved here!? Could you REALLY and TRULY be that blind to the issue!?

I'm just wondering!!!

Dude...

you are like, so like... dead, on the 16th, like, ya know? :D

[BogusTrumper]

We've been through this before. I was a Bill's fan for 11 years right up until they played SD this year. Then I was a SD fan off and on for three hours. Then I was back to being a Bill's fan.:cool:

[junglesouljah]

O.K. so you were one of those so called fans who were cheering for dougie to win. I went to a sports bar to watch the Bills vs SD game and I was the only one cheering for Buffalo. There were people in bills jersey that were cheering aginst the bills. DF must have brain washed people into thinking he so good that you must route aginst your own team. I didn't want Miamia to win when they picked up Thurman. Or cheer for Indy when they got biscut. But for some strange reason people want to cheer for DF when he plays the bills. DF hasn't don jack squat in the NFL. I could understand people cheering for someone like thurman because of what he ment to this team, and the fact that he helped us reach 4 superbowls, but DF hasn't down anything.

[BogusTrumper]

It's a cult of personality -- except he hasn't got one

[bills_phan]

I think it actually has a lot to do with the fact that many Canadians seems to think that Doug Flutie is Canadian because he played in Canada for so long. Soccer Moms also think he's just adorable! If we ship all the Soccer Moms to Canada and close the border we'll be all set!

[junglesouljah]

That just a generalization. I'm from Canada and can't stand Flutie. Flutie had sucess in the CFL, but someone forgot to tell him it a league for NFL rejects. bills_phan I agree with you that most of his fans are uneducated football wise, and say stuff like, "he just wins", " he makes everyone around him better", etc The media is in love with him too, it's a feel good story cause he's finally in the NFL after all those years in the CFL.

[BogusTrumper]

Absolutely. Why do you think all those soccer moms love him?

I like soccer moms. 35 and still niiiiiiiiiiice. :drool: ;)

[bills_phan]

No offense, junglesouljah...just bustin' balls. Now Soccer Moms are certainly good for 2 things...picking the kids up from practice and, well I'm sure you get the idea...;)

"I agree with you that most of his fans are uneducated football wise, and say stuff like, "he just wins", " he makes everyone around him better", etc The media is in love with him too, it's a feel good story cause he's finally in the NFL after all those years in the CFL."

Interesting concepts there phan and souljah!! It makes sense, thus the highly emotional Flutie fan following. I knew he was the NFL's and media's golden child, but never really figured out why in this country. I also think a lot of it has to do w/ the fact that he's short, ala "Rudy" and somehow represents the 'classic American underdog' that's somehow been spited and biased against b/c of his size yet when given the opportunity, does incredibly well. So perhaps these "Flutie blinder glasses" are simply "forcing" him into the mold of doing well in spite of the truth.

It's exactly like "The Emperor's New Clothes", wouldn't you say!

Interesting analyses from both of you. BTW, where you from that you must drive for 6 hours to see a game? I'm in the same boat down in the Tyson's Corner area of N. VA (D.C.). Also a 6-7 hr. drive. I do have 10 seasons however even tho I usually only make a game or two. I got tired of having to get crappy seats for when I wanted to go see a game w/ a bunch of friends, so I went for seasons. Gotta sell the rest obviously.

Either of you, or any others, gonna be at the BBI N.E. TG party on the 16th?

[BogusTrumper]

You got it WYS. Was that so hard? Except it's not like the Emperor's New Clothes. Some FF are well aware of his limitations but just like him anyway. The media like him because it is such a good story.

[bills_phan]

...but golfers hate him 'cause he can't see where he's going over the golf cart dash board...WATCH OUT!!!

[MVDaBomb]

Originally posted by Rude American


San Diego did take him, and San Diego has a better record that us. If they had any secondary they'd have an even better record. And if Jones would have held onto the ball last night and caught it they'd have won that game. Don't pin this on DF's arm. Nothing to do with it.


I could be wrong, but I don't think the fat-man GM is gonna have enough cap space to sign Charles Woodsen, Champ Bailey, Sammy Knight, and John Lynch in the offseason. Until then, their QB is going to have to deal with the unfortunate travesty of seeing their sorry defense give up a whopping 10 points in regulation in road division games.
BTW...did you see the Flug play FG defense the other day? The Seahawks kicker missed TWO game-winners at the end of regulation. Thank G0d the Flug single-handily kept them in the game.

The double standards runnith over.

[BogusTrumper]

Women Rule!

Yeah, that's all we need!! :D

Trumper,

"You got it WYS. Was that so hard? Except it's not like the Emperor's New Clothes. Some FF are well aware of his limitations but just like him anyway. The media like him because it is such a good story."

OK! No problem there! But then are you saying that fans' "likes'' were getting in the way of what actually was in the best interests of the Bills? Because if you are correct, and I'm not arguing, then I'd say that it was emotion overtaking reason in our case!

Much like I think Butler is letting emotion overcome reason down there in S.D. He's so hell-bent on spiting Wilson, that it almost seems that he's determined to build a SB team on our junk and scraps! Meanwhile he's already made several signings and paid enough "wasted" cash for mediocre talent that it isn't good for the Chargers. My heart really goes out to hardcore Charger fans! They've been sold a "bill of goods."

;)

[MVDaBomb]

Originally posted by bills_phan
...but golfers hate him 'cause he can't see where he's going over the golf cart dash board...WATCH OUT!!!

Classic line...
But in fairness to the Flug's golfing, he has to spend his leisure time doing something since he's too short to ride on the adult roller coaster.

[McBill]

Hey, thanks evryone - a fun thread to read. I like all the points and rejoinders being tossed about - better readin than a newspaper.

McBill:cool:

[junglesouljah]

"No offense, junglesouljah...just bustin' balls. Now Soccer Moms are certainly good for 2 things...picking the kids up from practice and, well I'm sure you get the idea...", It's all good bills_phan no offense taken, alot of Canadian do like him, but I'm in the minority. The Toronto Sun bigs him up every chance they get, and also take stabs at the bills cause they think that Buffalo should have stuck with flutie. The Sun is basically a tabliod, and very trashy piece of garbage. There all proud of what he did in the CFL which isn't all that special. Sure there are always a few players that slip between the cracks that should have made the NFL like Garcia, and W.Moon. But generally CFL is worse than college ball in terms of talent and excitement.

wyswings, I like Butlers habit of signing average players to huge long-term contracts. Soon he will have SD in worse salary cap numbers then he did to the bills. I think Wilson made the right choice in getting rid of the moron.

Yeah, what's funny is that he continues to do it thinking he's somehow pissin' Wilson off!

Let's see if he rushes to pick up Carman and Heimburger if we cut them... lol

[BogusTrumper]

The point of getting Flutie is so that Brees wouldn't have to be thrown to the wolves right away. They want to break him in gently. Plus, with the problems that the Chargers have had it doesn't hurt to sign someone that gets the fans excited and sells some tickets. He's a competent quarterback and exciting to watch. It's not like they could do much worse than 1-15.

Come on Bogus! If O'Donnell were on the Chargers I dare say they'd be better than 5-7 right now. Flutie's hurtin' the team. But the real question is, and since he was brought in to be the QB until Brees was ready, how come he got $5M when he ain't worth it?

Actually, it's marketing, so from a ticketing perspective it may have been worth it. But I don't think it's gonna fly to well next year if they don't promote Brees and Brees shouldn't have to come in cold. If Riley is half a coach, he'll start Brees soon. Besides, as things are going, Flutie, and I mean Flutie himself, is gonna have a HORRIBLE game in Philly where I'm sure they're waiting for him. I don't think we've seen anything yet as for how horrible he can play until the Philly game this weekend. I honestly and truly don't think the offense will yield more than 2 FGs in that game. Unless of course the STs or D sets them up at Philly's 6. That'd be different. But watch the game and tell me how much you think Flutie is worth after that game!

[BogusTrumper]

You don't want to know how much I think Flutie is worth. ;)

[junglesouljah]

Does anyone actually think flutie is going to help out the rookie? When egoboy's job is threatened he going to resort to his back stabbing and whining routine. There is no reason why Brees shouldn't already be starting but for some strang reason flutie the starter. He has had no offense production and actually cost games for S.D. by not producing. The media is never going to bad mouth him, you just have to go out and watch to game to see for yourself.

[bills_phan]

<i>Originally posted by BogusTrumper</i>
You don't want to know how much I think Flutie is worth.
A box of bear claws and a 12-pack of Molson, eh?:D

[BogusTrumper]

Jungle, DF could legitimately use all the excuses that you've used for RJ.

bills_phan, I thought you were from Rochester. So am I. Canadians do bear claws and Molson.

Yeah, you got it right jungle, you gotta watch a game yourself to see that the STs plays it's heart out and is worthy of it's #1 NFL rank, same w/ the D, and that Tomlinson is doing all he can w/o the support of a threatening passing game! Once you see that you take on a whole different perspective.

But like I said, the media doesn't have time to watch games. They just report what the "hometown" voice is sayin'! I would imagine at some point someone in the stands is gonna stand up and say that the emporer is naked! Once that happens it's bound to cascade! You would think anyway. But if there's one person who can stave that off undeservedly, it's Flutie, the NFL's golden child! I'll give the man credit, he understands marketing!

BTW, souljah,

You referred to "Bender" earlier! That guy's hysterical as well. I do like Stewy better however.

"Service Woman!" lmao

[junglesouljah]

Stewy is by far the best character on that show. Wys, Do you know who the writer for family guy is? The man is a pure comic genius.

No, but I think it's the same guys who write the Simpsons and Futurama. I think they do King of the Hill too. There may be some differences but some overlap too.

They all spoof in exactly the same vein!

Did you see the FG in which they all fight and Stewy rides the dog and gets whacked as the dog runs under the living room coffee table!? I was in stitches over that one.

I only happen upon FG, which night does it run on?