Oh THAT'S why Mike Riley is staying with DF!

[jeffblue19]

Now i understand why Mike Riley doesn't care that his team has lost 6 of their last 8 and why he hasn't made the switch to Brees over DF...he's leaving after this season. ESPN reports that a deal will most likely be done before the end of the season to make him the new head coach of San Diego State. Here's the article.

http://msn.espn.go.com/ncf/news/2001/1129/1286711.html

Now it all makes sense.:p

There's already talk of Riley being gone after this season. What I don't understand is why they don't put Brees in! They originally said that Flutie was to be the QB until Brees was ready. Well Brees has played a couple of times and been better than Flutie. Certainly that ain't hard to do right now. He certainly hasn't done anything spectacular on the way to a 3,300 yd., 15 TD, 14 INT season.

I think they would have had a chance w/ Brees in there, but they haven't made the move. I mean according to their own stated purposes, Flutie has served his purpose. Brees has demonstrated that he can play. I just don't get it. They may still have made the playoffs had they made the switch before the Arizona game or at least during it when Flutie struggled after the first half w/ 3 points thru 3 Qs. It's a real headscratcher. Oh well, not our problem.

[jeffblue19]

It's not a headscratcher if you think about Riley getting a job elsewhere...it's almost a certainty. San Diego State hopes to get a contract worked out with him BEFORE the end of the season this year. If not, there's other colleges waiting. He could care less what his previously 1-15 Chargers do this season, IMO.

Yeah, but I would still think that he would want to win as many games as possible. Just like here, there's probably internal politics preventing him from "making the move."

Butler would look like a clown if it happened. Especially after signing Rogers to a $3M contract to play backup. I think a bunch of S.D. fans would start to wonder what's goin' on...

[bduff54]

there is no reason to putr brees in right now, if they were going to put him in they would have last game after flutie had 2 horrible games. flutie played great lastweek, he got the ball to the recievers and they didn't make plays, what can you do? there will definitely be a QB controversy next year. but i wouldn't count the little guy out just yet.

He lost! Look! If Detroit can put up 38 vs. AZ in AZ, then any decent QB w/ a great running game ought to be able to put up more than 17 at home. Bottom line, he's done what he's always done. 17 points. It just wasn't good enough and rarely is.

"I know you will not believe it but I talk to people every day in San Diego for where I work and they are very happy with thier team and they love Flutie."

Yeah, well if you had Leaf last year you'd be happy w/ just about any QB. Besides, go visit their boards. There are PLENTY of fans "not so happy" that they haven't tried Brees by now. I mean, what are they waiting for? An 8 game losing streak? They've got 4 against a couple of teams that everyone has beaten too.

Also, let's see how many of those "Charger fans" are still in the stands once Flutie leaves S.D. or is no longer the starter. I'm tellin' ya, just like everywhere else, many of those fannies in the seats are NOT Charger fans, they're Flutie Fanatics!

We'll see. I never cease to be amazed and amused by the continually evolving standard that changes around the "good" points of Flutie's game! It is entertaining at least. :cool:

[bduff54]

"great running game" check the stats wys, L.T. hardly ran the ball at all. you didn't watch the game and you know it, i watched the whole thing and i saw a good performance from flutie. his guys dropped tons of passes. he got a 99 yeard TD drive, his recievers have to make plays aswell you know.

[Player6600]

WYS-You are the first person to try and start a QB controversy for San Diego living in the East coast as a Bills fan on a BUFFALO BILLS FORUM. You are getting the BILLS FANS wanting the Chargers to start Brees over Flutie. It makes no sense there is no QB controversy, and if there was why try and start one on a BUFFALO BILLS FORUM
:rolleyes:

[bduff54]

tomlinson rushed 21 times for 75 and one of those was a 30 yarder it was a below average day on the ground for him.

I meant running game in general.

What, does Seattle's running game suck too since Alexander's only been over 100 3 times?

In his first four games as a rookie, LDT went over 100 3 times and had 90 the fourth time.

AS A ROOKIE!!

He's the third leading runner in the league!

If there's any reason why he slowed down, I explained it well before the season began! It's b/c teams would focus on stopping him since Flutie can't beat anyone w/ his arm. THAT has happened as I see it.

The heat isn't on LDT. It's on Flutie. Go read their boards. No one is complaining about LDT.

[shawn]

The same thing is happening in San Diego. Flutie's arm is starting to wear down so opposing defenses are putting more men in the box. Tomlinson has no place to run and Flutie is failing to produce.

Actually, I don't think it's arm strength. I watched some of the AZ game and it looked awfully strong to me. Actually, it's ironic, b/c it was one of his better games statistically speaking. He's only had three games this year where he's had two TDs. That one, the Dallas game, and the first Denver game. The problem is that most of the passes were to the RBs and all of the medium/long ones were in the 4th Q.

The problem is that he's had 0 TDs in four games and only 1 each in another, even though some of those were wins. I don't think it's an arm strength issue. Flutie has and continue's to struggle in the red zone. I would say that he struggles much more w/ accuracy. I saw some critical passes off the mark. In the first half also, he had a bunch of completions, but about through the half, he only had 4 yards or so per attempt. That just doesn't cut it. That's attempt, not completion.

Obviously the second half opened up which is where he score the other two TDs in the 4th Q. Actually the 3rd Q still wasn't even that good for him. I watched it. I missed the 4th but can only assume he picked it up. It's also possible that much of it was against a prevent D.

One other thing that just occurred to me is that many of his passes went to LDT out to the sides. Well, not sure you remember my exact prediction at the beginning of the season, that teams would look to shut down LDT and force Flutie to throw. Well, I just looked and LDT had 13 of Flutie's completions, almost twice what their leading WR had. On most of those, the D had him pegged, and made quick tackles. He was VERY frustrated. On many of those too, they were long yardage for the first, and while Flutie completed many passes, many of them were short as I just pointed out in the first half w/ about a 4 yd./att. McCrary caught another 3. That's half of Flutie's 33 passes to the RBs. The WRs were open at times. They even showed a few where they were but Flutie didn't get them the ball and Conway looked really irritated on one play.

So it seems to me that the long/medium passing game just isn't working that well over there. But what's new. That was pretty much the case when he was here too. But while it may be arm strength, I saw a few VERY impressive throws over the middle and one down the side late in the game. So I can't imagine that the arm strength is a huge issue yet. Who knows. But I think it's simply more that teams know "hey, just shut down the running game and we've got this guy" because you can count on one hand over Flutie's over 40 games how many they've won due to good, not even great, passing.

[MVDaBomb]

Originally posted by shawn
The same thing is happening in San Diego. Flutie's arm is starting to wear down so opposing defenses are putting more men in the box. Tomlinson has no place to run and Flutie is failing to produce.

Indeed - watching the Chargers is like the '99 Bills all over again.
Before it was Peerless Price running the wrong routes, now it's "Jeff Graham, Curtis Conway, Freddie Jones, Tim Dwight, and LTD all suck". High comedy

[junglesouljah]

where has all his so called magic gone? I thought he just wins games single handly, and all loses are team loses. Put a fork in him cause ego boy is done.

[shawn]

I'm waiting for the national media to start criticizing his play (hell will freeze over before this happens).

You got that right!

I think they're all afraid of any backlash!

MV,

I've watched just about all of the Charger games and it ain't the route running. Conway is faster, quicker, and bigger than I ever thought. He runs quite crisply as does Graham. Dwight I have no idea about since generally he's not a "route runner" anyway. He's a burner. Not to mention that he simply doesn't catch that many balls. Conway is on pace for the best year of his career. It's not him. Jones has been an animal too and is one of the best TEs in the league, albeit quietly.

As far as LDT goes, he's given the O support when there was none coming from anywhere else. He's done all that can possibly be expected on a team like that as a rookie headed for 1,300 yards.

Frankly, there really are no excuses! The reason, the SOLE reason that the Chargers are losing games, is that they are not getting ANYTHING out of their passing game and it's coming from the QB. Watch a game or two. That should be quite evident by that game in which Flutie was "O-ferred" in the first half while Brees led the team to 20 in the second after Flutie's concussion. Same team, same day, same place, same weather, same fans!

Their STs is tops in the league and has largely been responsible for setting up short drives which have largely led to many of the scores that S.D. has had. They also lead the league, #1, in scoring for STs.

Wys,

You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried, which you are obviously trying to do.

Conway, Graham and Jones are nothing more than journeyman receivers with average speed. And the offensive line is just a bunch of big slugs who just take up space.

Every defensive coordinator in the league knows that the way to defense San Diego is to not worry about running room until you hit the red zone and blitz routinely as the San Diego line is extremely weak.

Sure, LT gets his yards because he is an exceptional talent, but when it counts, red zone, the line won't be able to move out any teams front 7 which explains why LT isn't leading the league in scoring.

And those slow journeymen receivers aren't going to severely test any team with half way decent defensive backs. Dante Culpepper doesn't look like he's up to the challenge. We've seen in Buffalo what happens to the signal caller dropping back with a weak line in front of him. Caboom.

So, to say it's the mullet that has caused San Diego to get to 5 - 7 is simply ludicrous.

Not to mention anything about an overrated defense. Ryan Leaf wasn't solely responsible for San Diego being 1 - 15 last year.

The better question, particularly on the BBI is to be discussing why Buffalo has fallen like a lead balloon and what changes, like purging the system of pretty boy, must be taken to return the Bills to prominence.

You mention every so often, that maybe, maybe you were wrong about Rob. Just admit it, just say RJ must move on because he's a total failure. Great physique, zip for results.

Let's see! According to your post here, Flutie's NOT responsible for the state of HIS team in spite of S.D. having:

The #1 STs in the league providing an NFL best average starting field position and scoring for STs;
A D that hasn't allowed a 100 yard rusher in 59 of their last 63 games;
A WR who you say is a journeyman who a few weeks ago was on pace for 1,300 yards;
A RB that is in the the top 10 (7th) of all NFL running backs and is tied for second in the league w/ 10 TDs;

and YET,

RJ is solely responsible for all of the games that the Bills played in which he was the starter and he lost w/o having ANY of those things other than a top WR!

Is that what I'm hearing here!

Come on Stills!!! We ALL know you are a Flutie Fanatic! Take that stuff and at least get it outta here. Go back to your Charger board. You're one of the one's talkin' trash about me behind my back over there. I'd appreciate it if you'd keep it over there please!

[bduff54]

wys, flutie is partially responsible for san diego's decline. but he is not the sole reason. did you see those fumbles yesterday? jeff graham is a bum, he basically just let the ball go. i think they would have won that game yesterday if the recievers hadn't screwed up. flutie definitel didn't play incredible but he cannot be blamed for yesterday's defeat. and as for L.T. i think he is secretly injuredm he looks pretty ba lately, maybe he's hit the wall.

I'm gonna quit posting on this.

But there's an OBVIOUS double-standard at work here!

It's one that gives him 100% of the credit when things go well and only a fraction of the blame when they don't!

I am not a Chargers board poster. Never have , never will

All of my writings are right here in the open.

And I'm not saying Flutie has been perfect, but he is not the major reason for San Diego being where they are today.

How many games, 5 or 6 out of 8 I think, where the San Diego D only has to make a stop and they win.

How many teams ever dominant and blow away all of the competition. Hardly any.

The NFL wants parity and they have it.

The smart teams shed losers, and RJ is at the top of this list, regardless of all the wonderful statistics you can show that pretend RJ is worth keeping.

[bduff54]

wys relax dude, how can it be a double standard? when they win it is usually because l.t. plays amazing. i agree that flutie is not amzing but he shouldn't be blamed for them losing a game or he shouldn't be given full credit when they win. you guys actually criticized him lastweek, he was good against the cardinals, he can't do everything?

Dude, I can't be more relaxed!

I think Flutie's own performances speak far louder than I EVER could. It's only a small contingent here and in S.D. that is arguing what everyone else sees as fairly obvious by now.

That's the problem with most of Wys's posts.

He tries to simplify it so that had RJ been let go

And Butler for some strange and bazaar reason had signed him in San Diego

with the Chargers ST's being far and away superior to every other team in the league

and with that super charged San Diego Charger "D"

that

San Diego would still be moving closer to the Dolphins record of 1972 with RJ at the helm.

Such fantasy.