Pyper's Declaration: Peyton Manning is...

[Pyper]

Who is the NFL's best QB?

I've heard all the arguments and I stand by every point I've ever made......

....except one. I'm here now to change my stance. Here it is:


Peyton Manning "IS" the best quarterback in the NFL.

It's not simply b/c his stats are out of this world. That's a shallow reason reserved for simpler minds.

It's b/c of the way he plays the games. He sees the field and has amazing command over his offense. He's got an incredible feel for the game and perhaps the greatest "killer instinct" I've ever seen. So today I'm giving him sincere props. Peyton...You are the best at your position. This doesn't mean he doesn't have things to prove. He does. Mainly, he needs to prove that he is a clutch performer.

I've fought this for a long time but now I reaize that my real fight is with those who claim Manning is best for the wrong reasons and not with Peyton Manning himself.

I may continue fighting the flawed arguments that most people use to explain why he is the best but I will no longer fight the issue that he is the best.

Having said all that.

I'm damn happy Tom Brady is my quarterback and I wouldn't trade him for anybody.

[HURLS]

Gee, can we write it in stone with your predictions?

[daquixxers]

Dude. Welcome to real life. He is not only the best QB in the NFL but probably top 6 EVER at this point. Tom Brady isnt even TOP 15 EVER ... he won SB's, but let me tell you that Peyton may have had 4 rings if he was on your team.

[Alternity]

One thing that I can't wait for next year is to see Brady.

Let me explain, Brady has enjoyed a huge amount of success in the last few years. Yet a lot of people refuse to say he's a good QB and claim he's a product of the system he plays in (nevermind the fact that the New England system on offense has changed a lot in the last 3 years).

I am among those who believe Brady is a REALLY good QB and can't wait to see what excuses his critics come up with when he plays in a completly different system under a new OC.

That said I agree, Manning is one of the best ever... He really impressed me this year. That said I still have a gut feeling that he will end his career withouth a ring, just like Marino. I have no basis for that and hope he proves me wrong, it's just a feeling I have.

[TRIPLE P]

Brady is a decent QB and better than anyone we have in Buffalo at this point. (losman has the tools to be better, will he, the jury is out)

That being said Brady is not in the top 20 IMO. If you put him on 80% of the other teams in this league he would fail.

[35Pete]

Don't even compare Brady to Manning. Totally different league.

[treydawg]

I get so sick of hearing Brady isn't good. Who did he have on offense to help him last year when he won the super bowl?

[TigerJ]

No argument from me, Pyper. I've said for a while that Payton's biggest drawback is that he is paid so much. The Colts have managed to build a pretty good team arouind him, but I have to wonder if the can maintain team excellence as some of their better players look at Peyton's salary and decide they want a piece of the action.

The Falcons may face the same problem with the contract to which they signed Michael Vick.

[TRIPLE P]

I get so sick of hearing Brady isn't good. Who did he have on offense to help him last year when he won the super bowl?


He is good, but he also has alot of time. He moves well in the pocket to create more time. And the Pats line is one of the best.

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

I'd take Brady in a heartbeat over Manning.

[WhiteRabbit]

Peyton Manning "IS" the best quarterback in the NFL.

Wow, thank you for the eye opening statement ... captain obvious.

[superman]

Barring injury Peyton will hold the records.

[Rui Pereira]

Who is the NFL's best QB?

I've heard all the arguments and I stand by every point I've ever made......

....except one. I'm here now to change my stance. Here it is:


Peyton Manning "IS" the best quarterback in the NFL.

It's not simply b/c his stats are out of this world. That's a shallow reason reserved for simpler minds.

It's b/c of the way he plays the games. He sees the field and has amazing command over his offense. He's got an incredible feel for the game and perhaps the greatest "killer instinct" I've ever seen. So today I'm giving him sincere props. Peyton...You are the best at your position. This doesn't mean he doesn't have things to prove. He does. Mainly, he needs to prove that he is a clutch performer.

I've fought this for a long time but now I reaize that my real fight is with those who claim Manning is best for the wrong reasons and not with Peyton Manning himself.

I may continue fighting the flawed arguments that most people use to explain why he is the best but I will no longer fight the issue that he is the best.

Having said all that.

I'm damn happy Tom Brady is my quarterback and I wouldn't trade him for anybody.

Must be interesting to have a personal QB!

[Mouldsie]

Don't even compare Brady to Manning. Totally different league.
2 rings vs none

win %

[35Pete]

2 rings vs none

win %
And would you compare Brady to Marino? The Patriots TEAM won those SB's, not Brady.

[Victor7]

I think Tom Brady is a pretty good qb, he stays calm in the pocket and rarely makes a wrong read, that said I also believe he plays for a great team and that makes him better than what he really is. As for Manning he is just unstoppable, the way the man throws td passes is beyond video game probability. I hope he wins a ring someday.

[gilchristfan]

And would you compare Brady to Marino? The Patriots TEAM won those SB's, not Brady.
Well, just a reminder of one thing Manning has that Brady hadn't had until this year (besides Marvin Harrison), a running back. When Edge went down, and when he was recovering, Manning's rating dropped about 10 points, and he gave up 23 and 19 Ints respectively. Losing his play action ability has an effect on his passing efficiency.

Until this year, Brady's never had that luxury.

[35Pete]

Well, just a reminder of one thing Manning has that Brady hadn't had until this year (besides Marvin Harrison), a running back. When Edge went down, and when he was recovering, Manning's rating dropped about 10 points, and he gave up 23 and 19 Ints respectively. Losing his play action ability has an effect on his passing efficiency.

Until this year, Brady's never had that luxury.

That's not the point. The point is that Marino never won a SB. And Marino was 10x's the QB of Brady.

[gilchristfan]

oops, sorry, I misread, I thought it was a Manning-Brady. But anyways, I still don't think its true. Who from the Pats offense goes to the Pro Bowl?

[gr8slayer]

Corey Dillon?

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

That's not the point. The point is that Marino never won a SB. And Marino was 10x's the QB of Brady.

Completely disagree. Brady gets dissed because he doesn't wow anyone with arm strength. The guy gets it done in the most critical circumstances. He will end his career as a better QB than Marino and right on par with Montana as the greatest of all time.

[Mouldsie]

And would you compare Brady to Marino? The Patriots TEAM won those SB's, not Brady.
Yea.


Brady 2 Rings

Never lost a OT game

Win %

[35Pete]

I suspect some Marijuana usage on this thread.

[gr8slayer]

I suspect some Marijuana usage on this thread.
Yeah no joke.

[YR-OF-D-BUFFALO]

When I watch Brady play, I see a confident QB with a cool head and a winner’s mentality. When I watch Payton play, I feel like I’m watching history in the making.

10 years from now there will be no argument who the better QB is, and his name is Payton.

[RedwardsSpellsByePat]

Brady reminds me of Montana

[Mouldsie]

Both are good.

Brady is just slightlly better IMO.


You can argue the defenses,
but Manning does have a great advantage over Brady called surrounding cast.

Manning has a lot of weapons, great OL, and plays in the AFC South... in a dome no less.




Manning has had his chances to beat Brady too... but has choked each time.
Remember earlier in the year when Brady marched downfield on Indy running the no-huddle calling his own plays?
Classic. He was basically saying, "Look, I can do it too."

[Pyper]

It's one thing to side with Manning but to dismiss or insult Brady is just foolish.

It really shows the stupidity of some posters on this board.

I'm hoping the anti-Brady remarks are simply a result that he's a division rival and you're trying to talk smack. Hopefully nobody could really be that stupid.
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The way I see it....Brady's "A" game is every bit as good as Manning's "A" game.

The difference is that Manning is much more consistent. Manning has reached a point in his career where his level of play is consistently high. However, the one negative thing that can be argued in regards to Manning, is that the only time his play dips down is in pressure situations. While Manning has proven himself to be a great QB, arguably the greatest, he has yet to prove himself to be a "CLUTCH" QB.

Brady is the opposite. Brady seems to coast at times and then he elevates his play when the pressure is greatest. Brady has proven time and time again that he excels in the clutch.

There seems to be 2 paths that QB's travel to be recognized as a great QB's. Mind blowing stats like Mannings or Marino's is the first path. The 2nd path is performing in the clutch like Brady, Montana, or Elway. This is why the argument of "who is the NFL's best QB" usually consists of Brady vs Manning.

As for the question of whether Manning would have won 2 SB's if he was the Patriots QB. That's completely unfair question. You can only give credit to the guy who makes the play. You have to do it on the field. You can't simply dream and say, well, Manning would have succeeded as well. If you're not measureing what's being accomplished on the actual field, what are you measuring?

Would Manning have led a 4th quarter comeback against the Raiders? Would he have completed that 4th and 3? Would he have driven the team to the winning FG in SB XXXVI vs the Rams?

If you anwered yes, based on what? Because he's done it before? When? Even if he had done it before, that's hardly an indicator that he'd do it again. The nature of the NFL is that you constantly have to re-prove yourself. This goes for all players. Brady has proven to be a clutch performer but he still needs to perform well in the clutch to keep earning that reputation. Even if Manning were to win this game and play well in the clutch, he still must to it again and again. He must develop a pattern of success in those situations. It'll take more than one game to accomplish that.

That's what makes Brady so special. Because time and time again, he comes through in the clutch. He's established a pattern. Much in the same way Elway did early in his career.

Elway is an interesting topic. I hear people misinterpret why Elway is considered one of the all time great 3 QB's. They seem to be under the impression that he only ranks that high b/c of the two SB's at the end of his career. Not true. He ranks that high b/c of how clutch he was in big games. Sure his team got killed in a few SB's but that was b/c his team was completely overmatched. Elway proved his greatness by routinely bringing his team back in the 4th quarter. He was the best there ever was at running the 2:00 offense.

Also consider this. Manning plays in an offensive system where he is basically empowered to call his own plays and run the entire operation. He goes into every game thinking he has to score 30+ points.

Meanwhile Brady plays in a system where the coaches are very "hands-on". He goes into every game knowing that the team is good enough to win as long as he doesn't make crucial mistakes.

The reason I mention this is b/c the difference iin those two approaches is HUGE in what kind of stats each approach is likely to generate.

Do you honestly believe Manning would have total control if he quarterbacked the Patriots? HELL NO!

Saying that Manning would win SB's on the Patriots is no more rediculous and irresponsible as saying that Brady would have thrown 50 TD's for the Colts.

The bottom line is that we're forced to judge both guys on "WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD". Geesh imagine that.

[evilfinkiller]

It's one thing to side with Manning but to dismiss or insult Brady is just foolish.

It really shows the stupidity of some posters on this board.

I'm hoping the anti-Brady remarks are simply a result that he's a division rival and you're trying to talk smack. Hopefully nobody could really be that stupid.
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The way I see it....Brady's "A" game is every bit as good as Manning's "A" game.

The difference is that Manning is much more consistent. Manning has reached a point in his career where his level of play is consistently high. However, the one negative thing that can be argued in regards to Manning, is that the only time his play dips down is in pressure situations. While Manning has proven himself to be a great QB, arguably the greatest, he has yet to prove himself to be a "CLUTCH" QB.

Brady is the opposite. Brady seems to coast at times and then he elevates his play when the pressure is greatest. Brady has proven time and time again that he excels in the clutch.

There seems to be 2 paths that QB's travel to be recognized as a great QB's. Mind blowing stats like Mannings or Marino's is the first path. The 2nd path is performing in the clutch like Brady, Montana, or Elway. This is why the argument of "who is the NFL's best QB" usually consists of Brady vs Manning.

As for the question of whether Manning would have won 2 SB's if he was the Patriots QB. That's completely unfair question. You can only give credit to the guy who makes the play. You have to do it on the field. You can't simply dream and say, well, Manning would have succeeded as well. If you're not measureing what's being accomplished on the actual field, what are you measuring?

Would Manning have led a 4th quarter comeback against the Raiders? Would he have completed that 4th and 3? Would he have driven the team to the winning FG in SB XXXVI vs the Rams?

If you anwered yes, based on what? Because he's done it before? When? Even if he had done it before, that's hardly an indicator that he'd do it again. The nature of the NFL is that you constantly have to re-prove yourself. This goes for all players. Brady has proven to be a clutch performer but he still needs to perform well in the clutch to keep earning that reputation. Even if Manning were to win this game and play well in the clutch, he still must to it again and again. He must develop a pattern of success in those situations. It'll take more than one game to accomplish that.

That's what makes Brady so special. Because time and time again, he comes through in the clutch. He's established a pattern. Much in the same way Elway did early in his career.

Elway is an interesting topic. I hear people misinterpret why Elway is considered one of the all time great 3 QB's. They seem to be under the impression that he only ranks that high b/c of the two SB's at the end of his career. Not true. He ranks that high b/c of how clutch he was in big games. Sure his team got killed in a few SB's but that was b/c his team was completely overmatched. Elway proved his greatness by routinely bringing his team back in the 4th quarter. He was the best there ever was at running the 2:00 offense.

Also consider this. Manning plays in an offensive system where he is basically empowered to call his own plays and run the entire operation. He goes into every game thinking he has to score 30+ points.

Meanwhile Brady plays in a system where the coaches are very "hands-on". He goes into every game knowing that the team is good enough to win as long as he doesn't make crucial mistakes.

The reason I mention this is b/c the difference iin those two approaches is HUGE in what kind of stats each approach is likely to generate.

Do you honestly believe Manning would have total control if he quarterbacked the Patriots? HELL NO!

Saying that Manning would win SB's on the Patriots is no more rediculous and irresponsible as saying that Brady would have thrown 50 TD's for the Colts.

The bottom line is that we're forced to judge both guys on "WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD". Geesh imagine that.
Brady sucks and so does his team of idiots.