Could Mike Williams drop to us at 13?

[finsrclowns]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7224632

The consensus at this week's owners meetings was that USC receiver Mike Williams is falling like a rock off a roof. Will he fall out of the first round? No. But don't expect to see him in the top 10, either. Williams will work out for scouts April 8, but that is too late for a lot of teams, many of whom have already started stacking their draft board. In addition, Williams recently weighed 245 pounds and the talk is he won't run better than a 4.7. Even if he does better that, there are some off-the-field concerns. Williams has been getting so-so reviews from the USC staff regarding his off-field behavior. It seems the USC team as a whole missed 13 workouts last year, and Williams missed more than eight of them. On one occasion, according to a league source, he told coach Pete Carroll that he had to do some homework and then Carroll saw him playing basketball in the gym. Williams also is said to have trouble catching passes on the right side of the formation, since he is left-handed. He excels catching balls on the left side, but the right side proved troubling, according to the one team official. Williams and Maurice Clarett are both awaiting the outcome of the NFL's appeal to the court ruling they could be eligible for this draft. If that is overturned, then they may be in football purgatory since they both have signed with an agent. Next stop? Oh, Canada. Don't be shocked to see Williams fall to late in the first round.


Mike Williams is a top 5 talent. Maybe he's made some mistakes, but he's no Randy Moss, and do you think there's some GM's out there that would like a mulligan on their decision to let Moss slide to 21st in the draft? I don't see him running any 4.7 anyway, unless he's running with a backpack and army boots. If he slides to 13, I say make him a Bill.

[RockStar36]

I suppose if he dropped that low and we had the chance, they should take it. But I really don't see it happening, if it what people are saying is true.

[ksl66]

I'd be really carefull with this guy. First off he might not even be in the draft, teams won't know for sure until five days before the draft. The problem is this guy has alot of the qualities that made Keyshwn Johnson the top pick in '96, but he also may have alot of the same qualities that have kept Keyshawn from becoming anything more than an above average wide reciever. From what I've read, the kid could use another year at USC to atleast mature. Physically he could be dominant, but he could also have a hard time getting off the line against veteran corners and not be able to gain seperation.

There are way too many questions and not enough time for them to be answered. I'd pass at 13, I might think about it at 25.

[finsrclowns]

There are no sure things in the draft. None. But I wouldn't need 5 minutes never mind 5 days to decide if Mike Williams is worth the 13h pick in the draft. The guy is 6' 5" 212 and he's wouldn't be expected to be the #1 guy here right away. 25th? :shakehead
My guess is he's NOT there at 13. But if he is, grab him!

[gonzo1105]

I actually just made a projection and I have Williams dropping to 16 to San Francisco....Buffalo trades up with Houston for Roethlisberger if anyone is wondering

[35Pete]

If he has personality issues then let him fall right past us.

[gilchristfan]

If he's really at 245 right now, I'd be ultra-cautious. Its one thing for Sam Adams or a Pat Williams to be 30 lbs overweight in April, its another thing for a college receiver auditioning for NFL teams, as a rookie, to let himself slide that much. If I'm TD, I'd want to find out why.

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by gilchristfan
If he's really at 245 right now, I'd be ultra-cautious. Its one thing for Sam Adams or a Pat Williams to be 30 lbs overweight in April, its another thing for a college receiver auditioning for NFL teams, as a rookie, to let himself slide that much. If I'm TD, I'd want to find out why.

I'll believe 245 when I see it. The truth will surface on April 8th when he works out. That article had a National Enquirer feel to it IMO.

[gilchristfan]

Originally posted by finsrclowns
I'll believe 245 when I see it. The truth will surface on April 8th when he works out. That article had a National Enquirer feel to it IMO.

Well, we're going to find out soon enough, if he's going to be working out on April 8.

But if he is at 245, would you take him?

[LifeSucker]

I can't believe I'm hearing people say that they'd pass on him?????
Did none of you see him play in college? Big, strong, catches everything....

He's nasty and we need another WR on this team. You grab him up immediately if he's still on the board @ #13. I hope he does run the 40 with a backpack and boots on, so that way he will slip to us.

Moulds #1, Williams #2, Reed #3(back in the slot where he should be), Shaw #4, Aiken #5 - not a WR corp that I'm going to complain about!!! PLEASE HAVE HIM SLIP!!!

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by gilchristfan
Well, we're going to find out soon enough, if he's going to be working out on April 8.

But if he is at 245, would you take him?

245 is a lot of weight. Just ask David Boston. But short of going on the juice, we're talking about him putting on 30 pounds in 3 months which is hard to do unless you're refrigerator Perry. If he is in fact 245 and runs a 4.7 I guess I'd take Reggie Williams if we're not trading down. But for the record, I am very skeptical this report isn't an exaggeration. Somebody probably saw him eating an extra Whopper and said he's a blimp and it went from there. But as I said the world will know in 5 days.

[Flatlander]

The key is his workout on April 8th. Here is a good article espn had the other day on him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft04/columns/story?columnist=feldman_bruce&id=1771789

I think he's got a very good chance to be available at #13. Jacksonville could take either Mike or Roy Williams. After that the Texans, Steelers or the Jets probably don't take one.

[finsrclowns]

Nice article. The idea of a EM, MW and JR wide receiver corp is pretty exciting to me.

[gilchristfan]

Thank's for the article Flatlander, that was good. .

An athlete 30 lbs overweight can usually lose it in a pretty short time. When a Sam Adams or Pat Williams puts on 30 lbs, its a big lunch, when a 215 WR puts on 30 lbs, they;ve been laying around for a bit.

My concern wouldn't be whether he could take it off before the season starts, its done all the time, in football, boxing, and even high school wrestling. Its more of a concern about the athlete's motivation. The question becomes one of whether they WILL take it off, rather than whether they can take it off. That's why I originally said I'd have alot of questions to ask before choosing him.

If that article is correct, he's shown some pretty positive steps. 1) He sought out the counsel of someone whom he respects, 2) sought out the best to correct the situation and 3) he's not presenting himself to testing until the program is complete. I'm interested in what he does on the 8th.

If the ESPN article is correct, I doubt he'd be around at 13 though.

[gonzo1105]

Flatlander, Not backlashing just informing. There has been a couple articles where Del Rio says he is gonna take either one of the DE's in the first round. He is goin to pass on WR in the first

[bad radio]

That talk of him running a 4.7 is silly. You don't have a college career like he's had and only run a 4.7. If he runs anything over 4.45 I'll be very suprised, and if he drops to #13...let's put it this way: the guy was a Top 3 pick in most mocks not two weeks ago. If he drops to #13, it might be better to look at someone else. Players don't drop like that for nothing.

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by bad radio
That talk of him running a 4.7 is silly. You don't have a college career like he's had and only run a 4.7. If he runs anything over 4.45 I'll be very suprised, and if he drops to #13...let's put it this way: the guy was a Top 3 pick in most mocks not two weeks ago. If he drops to #13, it might be better to look at someone else. Players don't drop like that for nothing.

Sometimes guys drop because of how they compare with somebody else. When MW was a top 5 consensus pick it was partly because he was rated higher than Roy Williams. Then RW goes and runs a 4.37 40, which stuns people. With Fitzgerald the top receiver, and not everyone wanting a receiver, if RW jumps ahead of MW that means MW will slide. Could it be out of the top ten? Sure, depending on how he runs and how much he weighs. It's so so competitive. Look at last year with Terrel Suggs- awesome career at DE, runs a sub par 40 and drops from the top 3 to 11. It happens. But you're telling me if the Bills were on the clock last year at 11 you would've passed on Suggs because he slipped? The thing with MW is, if he doesn't run well he has to not only worry about the 2 guys potentially ahead of him but also the other Williams, Reggie, behind him. The only reason why Reggie isn't a top 10 player, and he would be most years, is he's not a burner. But bottom line if MW breaks 4.5 he doesn't get to 13 IMO, but if he does you don't worry about why other teams are stupid you get your card in.

[TigerJ]

I can't remember the source, but the other day (after this repot came out) I read that Mike Williams ran in the low 4.5 range just in practice. If he runs that fast in his workout on Thursday he'll shoot right back up.

[johnnywest1420]

I love Mike Williams. Even if he runs a 4.7 he still stretches defences when he goes long (you have to double team him or you can just throw the ball up there) he would complement Bledsoe and Moulds extremely well.

[johnnywest1420]

Mike Williams = Bledsoe's Dream receiver.. huge and great hands

[ThomasVanek]

Trade up to Jax spot to secure Roy or Mike.A 3rd is enough to move up 4 spots.

[kdhammond]

If Mike Williams runs 4.7, pass on him unless you are convinced that it is a bad time.

To argue that he is still open even though he is covered because of his size is to argue that Mark Campbell or Jay Reimersma is always open because of their size.

I know Boldin ran 4.7 last year and was a top rookie, but obviously he runs faster than that.

I am not totally fanatical about 40 times, I still think that Josh Reed could become a good receiver, but I would not spend the 13th pick on a WR that can't run as fast as the top DE prospects.

More importantly, I believe that there will be better players available at much more important positions than WR (like DE, DT, CB). I hope they take whoever they think is the best player at the most important positions available.

To follow the line of reasoning that says that you shouldn't take a QB in round 1 because Tom Brady was a 6th round pick, then you don't need a WR in round 1 because NE didn't have a 1st round pick at WR, either.

[finsrclowns]

More importantly, I believe that there will be better players available at much more important positions than WR (like DE, DT, CB). I hope they take whoever they think is the best player at the most important positions available.

WR isn't as important as defense? You'd better let the rest of the league in on that secret because every year WR's are taken top 10. How many SB's do you think SF would have won without Rice? The Cowboys without Irvin? The Steelers without Swann and Stallworth? I'm not saying MW will be as good as those guys, but he could be.

Our offense needs playmakers. Someone who can turn a short pass into a score, etc. Our defense was not the problem last year and in essence we traded Winfield for Vincent, which is a modest upgrade IMO. If the Bills are convinced Will Smith is the next Bruce Smith fine. But at least for next year I'd wager the difference in wins and losses between adding a Mike Willams and moving JR to the slot is bigger than Will Smith over Chris Kelsay. Heck I'd be thrilled to trade down and add Lee Evans and his 4.3 speed. Because size and speed at WR are major weapons.

[johnnywest1420]

I think he is a little quiker than campbell, and he can go up and get the ball alot better

[kdhammond]

Originally posted by finsrclowns
WR isn't as important as defense? You'd better let the rest of the league in on that secret because every year WR's are taken top 10. How many SB's do you think SF would have won without Rice? The Cowboys without Irvin? The Steelers without Swann and Stallworth? I'm not saying MW will be as good as those guys, but he could be.

Our offense needs playmakers. Someone who can turn a short pass into a score, etc. Our defense was not the problem last year and in essence we traded Winfield for Vincent, which is a modest upgrade IMO. If the Bills are convinced Will Smith is the next Bruce Smith fine. But at least for next year I'd wager the difference in wins and losses between adding a Mike Willams and moving JR to the slot is bigger than Will Smith over Chris Kelsay. Heck I'd be thrilled to trade down and add Lee Evans and his 4.3 speed. Because size and speed at WR are major weapons.

Boy, your examples of the 49ers with Rice, Pittsburgh with Swann and Stallworth and the Cowboys with Irvin are too convincing. None of those teams had any other talent.

All 3 teams had Hall of Fame QBs (Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman).

Ever hear of Pittsburgh's "Steel Curtain" defense? How about RB Franco Harris?

Dallas had a pretty find Defense and the all-time leading rusher in the NFL in Emmitt Smith.

Besides Montana, the 49ers had a good OL, Defense and a pretty fair RB in Roger Craig.

I am not saying that having a great WR isn't a good thing. I am saying that I'd rather have a great DE than a great WR, though.

[Flatlander]

Originally posted by gonzo1105
Flatlander, Not backlashing just informing. There has been a couple articles where Del Rio says he is gonna take either one of the DE's in the first round. He is goin to pass on WR in the first

Here's a good article from Jacksonville. You could be right.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/033104/jag_15225300.shtml

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by kdhammond
Boy, your examples of the 49ers with Rice, Pittsburgh with Swann and Stallworth and the Cowboys with Irvin are too convincing. None of those teams had any other talent.

All 3 teams had Hall of Fame QBs (Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman).

Ever hear of Pittsburgh's "Steel Curtain" defense? How about RB Franco Harris?

Dallas had a pretty find Defense and the all-time leading rusher in the NFL in Emmitt Smith.

Besides Montana, the 49ers had a good OL, Defense and a pretty fair RB in Roger Craig.

I am not saying that having a great WR isn't a good thing. I am saying that I'd rather have a great DE than a great WR, though.

Those teams were dynasty teams, obviously they were great all around, but my point was having great receivers was a crucial part of why they were dynasty teams. You need all the pieces to win. IMO we fall short at WR, particularly speed wise. I don't debate DE is a need either, but as a said the D is already excellent with what we have. The offense isn't.

Last year Carolina had arguably the best combo of O-line and D-line play in the NFL and a great running back in Stephen Davis. But if I had to pick a team MVP that made the biggest difference in putting them within a FG of a championship it would be Steve Smith.

And speaking of Carolina, I think they are the model of the style offense Mularkey wants to run here: stay patient with the run, and use play action passes to move the chains. But 5-6 times a game take shots DOWN THE FIELD with a speed WR to keep the D honest and to make big plays. We are 2 players- a fast WR and a talented guard away from running that offense with success. We can get both with the first 2 picks in this draft. Or we can draft a DE, a CB or a DT because those are more important.

[finsrclowns]

Today's the day. If anyone hears how Williams runs, post it here. Thanks.

[Henry4MVP]

Originally posted by finsrclowns
Today's the day. If anyone hears how Williams runs, post it here. Thanks.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#mwill

Mike Williams (6-4 5/8, 228)

40 times: 4.56 with the wind and 4.62 against the wind.
Vertical jump: 37-inches
Long jump: 10-1
Short shuttle: 4.34
Three-cone drill: 6.84

'They' say he looked good in the workout.

That's one hell of a quick three-cone (agility) run, especially given his size. I don't know if he'll drop to #13, but I'd be very happy with the #2 wideout in this draft.

[gilchristfan]

So much for him being there at 13, sorry to say.

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by gilchristfan
So much for him being there at 13, sorry to say.

Not necessarily, since after today's workout which was good not great he's cemented behind Fitzgerald and Roy Williams. Some of it has to do with what team's are looking for. I could easily see Will Smith and Udeze both taken top 12 . Jacksonville loves Udeze and Houston just took Andre Johnson last year and a pass rusher makes sense for them. The Jets are looking for defense and will take Deangelo Hall if he's there. I think the chances of Mike Williams being there are around 50/50, maybe better.

[finsrclowns]

I take it all back. When you adjust his 40 times for the fact that it's a fast surface it's more like a 4.7. Thanks but I think I've just decided against this guy. And the more I think about Reggie Williams he sounds great but we already have that player on the roster. His name's Eric Moulds. I say trade down 10 spots and take Lee Evans who CAN run. With whatever you pick up for the trade down give it to a team around 28 with our #2 and trade up to take either Smiley, Grove or or Carey. Offense fixed.

[Henry4MVP]

That was a quick turnaround, FRMR.

[kdhammond]

Originally posted by finsrclowns
I take it all back. When you adjust his 40 times for the fact that it's a fast surface it's more like a 4.7. Thanks but I think I've just decided against this guy. And the more I think about Reggie Williams he sounds great but we already have that player on the roster. His name's Eric Moulds. I say trade down 10 spots and take Lee Evans who CAN run. With whatever you pick up for the trade down give it to a team around 28 with our #2 and trade up to take either Smiley, Grove or or Carey. Offense fixed.

People are finally starting to catch on. The WR class, while deep with good WRs, does not have GREAT WRs. Only Fitzgerald (maybe) is as good a prospect as last year's duo of Charles Rogers and Andre Johnson who went 2 and 3 (forget which went first).

I think that if the Bills are intent on a WR, they can get essentially the same quality player as far back as pick 25 as they can at pick 13. If they are open to other positions such as OG, C and CB, then they can get better value (IMHO) with a trade back to pick up an extra pick in the 3rd, maybe 2nd round.

[Henry4MVP]

Passing on Mike Williams is a mistake, IMO. So the 40 times weren't as super as you'd like. His production, size, hands, and agility are hard to top. He's a beast and he's still #2 on my board after Fitz.

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by Henry4MVP
Passing on Mike Williams is a mistake, IMO. So the 40 times weren't as super as you'd like. His production, size, hands, and agility are hard to top. He's a beast and he's still #2 on my board after Fitz.

Think about this from TD's point of view. He let Price go because he didn't want to pay 2 # 1 receivers. If he takes a receiver at 13 he'll in essence be doing just that. My guess is he's not thinking receiver with this pick for that reason- it's too early to draft someone to replace Moulds and Mike Williams is a slightly slower version of Moulds.

What TD would like is Price at a lower price. That means speed to get downfield. I have no doubt all 3 Williams' will be successful, but my main concern is getting teams to stop blitzing all day. You do that with speed on the perimeter and pass blocking. To my disapointment Teague is going to be the starter at center. But we can't have Pucillo/Sullivan/Tucker as the starter at LG. Can't. You could line up Harrison, Moss and TO and it wouldn't matter is you have a jailbreak up front. So that's why the so-so times makes me a little queasy about MW. And that's why we need to take one of the top 4 guards in the draft, all of whom could be gone by 43 (3 of whom most assuredly will).

My ideal draft would be to take Evans (Price with better hands) around 23 and Smiley/Carey/Grove around 28. IMO 13 + 43 = 23 + 28. But getting someone to trade out of the first to mid 2nd won't be easy. And TD doesn't like trading up much. So trade to 23, take Evans and hope Snee is there at 43. OR trade to 26, take Smiley and hope Henderson or Jenkins is there at 43. The beauty is you then net another 2nd which could be a safety, a DE or Watson the TE if he falls (he probably won't). Or he could trade down again and take a DE that would start off as a situational pass rusher like Hilton.

If he takes Rivers it means he's given up on Bledsoe, because DB needs help at OL and another receiver to succeed, and you won't get both unless you start in the first round. You might get guys that might be good down the line, but that won't help Drew who needs to succeed this year.

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by Henry4MVP
That was a quick turnaround, FRMR.

Look, I'm ok with Mike Williams as the pick- I do want a receiver and he could be a great one. But at 4.7, tell me why he's better than Reggie? And I'm looking for someone to complement Moulds and add speed, which MW won't really do. Sure he's huge and gifted and I think he'll be good, but with the list of needs the Bills have I'm tempted to drive past Sak's 5th avenue and pull in to Walmart with my list.

[kdhammond]

4.7 is baaad. Do NOT touch Mike Williams. There are exactly 0 (zreo) decent WRs in the NFL who run 4.7.

Heck Will Smith runs faster than that at DE. So do the top 3 or 4 LBs.

I am not usually a "40 times" guy, but in this case, he is too slow. 4.6 40 and I would consider him, but at that speed I wouldn't.

[mighty peace warrior]

i have seen him play i could care less about his workout 40 time. He will be awesome, the best reciever in the class(though i havent seen fitzgerald much)

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by mighty peace warrior
i have seen him play i could care less about his workout 40 time. He will be awesome, the best reciever in the class(though i havent seen fitzgerald much)

You may be right, but speed does matter a lot in the NFL because EVERYBODY's fast. I do count production way ahead of 40 time, and MW has been very productive. Some guys are track stars but they can't play football. MW is definetely a football player and a darn good one. And he is long, has great leaping ability and he's athletic. I think he'll do well, but the 40 time scares me some still. Lee Evans has been productive AND he's blazing fast- think Steve Smith- small but unafraid and capable of running away from people. If Mike Williams can't run past NFL DB's, and they're a heck of a lot faster than most college DB's, why not take Mike Jenkins who's also big and ran a 4.4? You can snag Jenkins early round 2.

[mighty peace warrior]

of course speed matters.. a 40 time does not. The guy plays in the Pac-10 not the Atlantic 10 and he blows by people, muscles people and catches everything near him.

[BillsSeasonTixHolder]

Give me a Williams, any of them at 13....but, is it me, or is the prospect of Watson being there at 43 something to salivate over or what....image that offense with McNally in charge. Henry, Moulds, Williams, Reed, Watson...and the off chance of a Willis sighting, that's fairly impressive to me. They are just rookies, but...worry about the QB later, maybe a Shaun Phillips third, or a Harris or Pickett. If Tom leaves the table after day one, with Watson, and a Williams, I'll, personally consider it a success, and a breath of offensive life into Drew, and our offense.

[finsrclowns]

Watson's workouts may actually move him to the end of the first, very early 2nd. But guys with all the workout #'s and small production worry me. Watson could either be great or a bust, which makes him a risky pick.

[Awertzy]

Originally posted by kdhammond
4.7 is baaad. Do NOT touch Mike Williams. There are exactly 0 (zreo) decent WRs in the NFL who run 4.7.

Heck Will Smith runs faster than that at DE. So do the top 3 or 4 LBs.

I am not usually a "40 times" guy, but in this case, he is too slow. 4.6 40 and I would consider him, but at that speed I wouldn't.

are you an idiot look at this years rookie of the year, ANQUAN BOLDIN He runs in the 4.7's

[K-Gun]

Originally posted by finsrclowns
Watson's workouts may actually move him to the end of the first, very early 2nd. But guys with all the workout #'s and small production worry me. Watson could either be great or a bust, which makes him a risky pick.

Watson:37 games (26 starts) 65 catches for 852 yards (13.6 avg.) 7 TD's

Troupe: 39 games (20 starts)64 receptions for 958 yards (14.9 avg.) 7 Td's

Winslow:38 games 119 receptions for 1,365 yards (11.5 avg.) 9 TD's


After reading Watson's profile it says he was rarely EVER sent deep in Georgia's offense... He is faster than many FS's... he could be a gamebreaker in the NFL... I don't think he is risky at all.

[kdhammond]

Originally posted by Awertzy
are you an idiot look at this years rookie of the year, ANQUAN BOLDIN He runs in the 4.7's

Actually, no I am not an idiot. I have been following the draft for close to 20 years. Just because you can point out a 1 year exception to a general rule does NOT in any way mean that my point is invalid.

If you go back over the last 15-20 years you will find many many many guys who were HIGHLY productive in college, but yet didn't have quite the physical skills to make it in the NFL. I am talking about guys at all positions: WR, RB, QB, DL etc.

I might also point out that your example, Anquan Boldin, was a 2nd round pick last year. You should note that ZERO NFL teams were willing to pick him in the first round - because of his speed. The 13th pick is very high to take a player that has a big question mark due to a less than optimal measureable - whether that be speed, height, strength, IQ, etc.

Additionally, I DID qualify my statement with: "I am not usually a "40 times" guy, but in this case, he is too slow. 4.6 40 and I would consider him, but at that speed I wouldn't. " Now, if we were talking late first or 2nd round, then I would certainly consider him.

I won't comment on your use of punctuation. You are obviously much smarter than a mere idiot like me.

[K-Gun]

i am pretty sure he ran 4.57 and 4.62 in his "Pro Day" work out... am i missing something?

[kdhammond]

Originally posted by Jim Kelly is God
i am pretty sure he ran 4.57 and 4.62 in his "Pro Day" work out... am i missing something?

Those times were not "adjusted" for the surface that he ran on. Some surfaces enable a player to run faster than others. For example, running on a rubber track or a hardwood floor enables a player to post faster times than running on a grass football field.

Scouts would prefer that all players do their "timings" at the scouting combine so that they are all running on the same surface and their times can be compared directly.

However, lots of players run at their colleges on different surfaces, as Mike Williams did. So, in order to be able to compare times with players who ran on a slower surface at the combine, scouts will add a fudge factor to Williams' time. It was reported on Profootballtalk.com that Williams' adjusted time was in the neighborhood of 4.7 - 4.75 seconds.

Note that the difference in surfaces can account for differences in the .1 to .2 second range. So someone who ran a 4.5 on the slow surface at the scouting combine, might really be faster than someone who ran a 4.4 on a different surface.

[BillsSeasonTixHolder]

I just can't get over those numbers...if M. Williams posted a 4.7...image what a #260 TE can do with a 4.4.I'm a TE fanatic, it's a huge advantage, that slowly is coming fashionable again. The last real domanating offense we possessed, it's legendary, was (supposedly) named for our TE, the K-Gun, with Keith McKellar.
Get those safeties out of there with a dangerous TE, and Travis will get the 1,800 yrds, I hoped for last year. Reports have claimed he's a good blocker, with a mean streak, plus the maturity and leadership that Kellen doesn't have. Ok, enough of that.

[mykiljonz]

BillsSeasonTixHolder

The last real domanating offense we possessed, it's legendary, was (supposedly) named for our TE, the K-Gun, with Keith McKellar.

I thought it was named the K-Gun because of Kelly, the Hall-of-Fame QB, NOT McKellar. K=Kelly Gun=His arm, the way he threw, the way he called the plays himself because of the no-huddle.


"http://www.*************.com/kultarr/97offseason/kgun.htm


"Ted Marchibroda crafted an offense, which would later be known as the K-Gun, in order to best utilize the talents of the players at his disposal. He relinquished the play-calling control to his star pupil, quarterback Jim Kelly, and let him call the offensive plays at a rapid fire pace. The pace only heightened the confusion for an opposing defense, which was never sure who was going to get the ball next."

[BillsSeasonTixHolder]

Mykiljonz

Interestingly enough, one day I happened upon a comment made by a former radio host, and former Bills coach, whom, I personally did not care for, but hey, he was talking sports. The comment was made that the outside receivers were giving the title of X-Y-Z in the K-Gun system, and for whatever reason, the TE was considred the K position. Along with that comment was made the following, (paraphrasing) It's a shame Keith wasn't the smartest guy, for he was one very talented player. There routs (supposedly) were kept basic, so as not to lose/confuse Keith. I only mentioned it, for I always thought that was an interesting piece of trivia. Only today was I allowed this article (thanks) to do more research, to some degree......"In the K-Gun system, a blitz meant that either the slot receiver, now Steve Tasker, or the tight end, Lonnie Johnson, should get the ball on a short, quick dump off passes"....oh, poor, poor Lonnie Johnson. Research further, let me know, that I've been misinformed for this long. But it tends to have some truth to it.
Here's to hoping Watson's there @ 43, the Bills have the froesight to draft him, and that he's the talent Mckellar was, and not Lonnie Johnson.

[K-Gun]

Originally posted by mykiljonz
BillsSeasonTixHolder



I thought it was named the K-Gun because of Kelly, the Hall-of-Fame QB, NOT McKellar. K=Kelly Gun=His arm, the way he threw, the way he called the plays himself because of the no-huddle.


"http://www.*************.com/kultarr/97offseason/kgun.htm


"Ted Marchibroda crafted an offense, which would later be known as the K-Gun, in order to best utilize the talents of the players at his disposal. He relinquished the play-calling control to his star pupil, quarterback Jim Kelly, and let him call the offensive plays at a rapid fire pace. The pace only heightened the confusion for an opposing defense, which was never sure who was going to get the ball next."

Jim "Machine Gun" Kelly

[zanthrax54]

Originally posted by LifeSucker
I can't believe I'm hearing people say that they'd pass on him?????
Did none of you see him play in college? Big, strong, catches everything....

He's nasty and we need another WR on this team. You grab him up immediately if he's still on the board @ #13. I hope he does run the 40 with a backpack and boots on, so that way he will slip to us.

Moulds #1, Williams #2, Reed #3(back in the slot where he should be), Shaw #4, Aiken #5 - not a WR corp that I'm going to complain about!!! PLEASE HAVE HIM SLIP!!!


I just don't know if he could come out and be the number two guy right outta college...prob. start him as the number four then work him into the mix...I'd have Moulds at number one, Shaw at number two, with reed getting a lot of time as well...then when williams gets to where we think he could be consistent, PUT HIM AT THE 2 SPOT...with reed and shaw getting different looks at the slot...

[gr8slayer]

We need a Slot not a freaking Wide Reciever stuck in a Tight Ends body.