Name me one good thing Donahue or Williams has done

Please if you can, name me 1 good thing Donahue or Williams have done so far for the Buffalo Bills. I trying to find some hope for this team, please help.

[bduff54]

they drafted travis henry, and you can't argue with that, that was a steal.

He's had 1 good game, Williams almost scerew that up by starting Morris vs. Jets

[Robert Harris]

Clearing up salary cap mess;
Excellent first draft that may pay dividends for a decade--see Clements, Henry, Jennings, Spoon, Driver;
Getting rid of Flutie to see if RJ can lead without looking over his shoulder (or should I say, under his armpit);

I agree they have made mistakes--dumping Holecek being the main one. But saying goodbye to old heroes like Jones, Washington, and Christie had to be done, and was a good move. Likewise, not fully addressing OL in draft was an error. But, deep in our hearts, we all knew we were spoiled by the 1990's, and we knew one year of this had to come. Let's look at the positive and see growth for OUR team this year.

[Stealth01]

Good things:

Dumped Flutie to see if RJ can make it
Drafted Henry
Drafted Jennings
Drafted Spoon
Drafted Driver (Will excel on ST)
Drafted Clements
Removed Phillips, Pendry, Mauck, Jones, and so on
Signed Centers
Adopted an offensive system (even if they don't stick to it)
Clearing up the Salary cap mess
Released Corey Moore

Bad Things:

Released Rogers on the assumption that Holocek could play MLB
Released Holocek because the above was wrong
Released Henry Jones
Didn't handle puclic screw ups well
Failed to initially consult veterans on new discipline system
Lost first four games
Failed to sign a replacement for Jerry O
A few judgement calls during preseason
Starting Morris against the Jets

It's about even. Not bad for a rookie coach and his rookie staff.

I don't see how you can judge the draft right now, just because a couple of analysts have agreed with you.

Good Things :
-Cleared salary cup (although it's not hard to cut all your expensive players)
-good draft? (time will tell)

Bad Things :
-RJ
-RJ (he counts as 2)
-hiring Williams over Lewis
-losing first 4 games and not even being in it (jets game-they still had no chance)
-WCO-not in the afc east. dolphins will make us look stupid
-Cutting all our good defensive players (couldn't you have kept one of those guys).
-treating vets without respect (this makes us look like a low-rate organization the way we cut our vets, treating Christie like garbage, making dumb statements, getting rid of Flutie the way we did. What free-agent will want to come here, not even Tony Banks will show up.)
-hiring rookie coordinators (hiring the QB coach of the Seahawks-how dumb are you)

[Robert Harris]

Time will tell on the draft? By the same logic, it is impossible to judge TD/GW at this stage, because we are 4 games into a year where the salary cap forced major problems. Additionally, are we now going to have a GW/M.Lewis debate to go along with RJ/DF?

[Stealth01]

<i>I don't see how you can judge the draft right now, just because a couple of analysts have agreed with you. </i>

Well, let's see. First off, the analysts are professionals. Second, of the rookie crop this year, we have FOUR starters. Jennings, Henry, Spoon (via injury to Cowart) and fClements (Nickel and CB). Sounds successful to me.

<i>-Cleared salary cup (although it's not hard to cut all your expensive players) </i>

Then why couldn't Butt-ler do it? Because his loyalties were to the players and their agents, not to the team. He saddled the team with a horrible cap situation, then left town to ruin another team.

<i>-good draft? (time will tell) </i>

OK. You're at least partially right. Any of these guys could bust. So for now, these are TEMPORARY good things.

<i>-RJ</i>

At least they had the balls to get rid of one of the two. And if RJ doesn't perform this year, my guess is that he'll be gone, too.

<i>-hiring Williams over Lewis </i>

Based on what? Lewis hasn't even head-coached an NFL game yet, so there is NO WAY to tell if he would be better. And again, he didn't WANT to come here, from everything I've read...or his wife didn't, actually. No balls.

<i>-losing first 4 games and not even being in it (jets game-they still had no chance) </i>

Welcome to rebuilding and rookie head coaches. It will get better.

<i>-WCO-not in the afc east. dolphins will make us look stupid </i>

I don't have a poroblem going to the WCO, but I do have a problem with them NOT using it right. No slants, no short outs. 5-step drops. If they're going to do it, at least do it right.

<i>-Cutting all our good defensive players (couldn't you have kept one of those guys). </i>

Well, since you have all the answers, 66, why don't YOU come up with a way we could have kept more than one of the defensive vets we lost and still kept Moulds within the cap. Sure, we could have kept Jones. That's one. Anyone else we could have kept and still signed our rookies and Moulds? Nope.

If you think he should have let Moulds go and kept Marcellus/Rogers, then OK. I can see a point to that. But you don't offer that. All you do is trash GW and TD because you don't want to suffer a losing season or two to be good in the future.

<i>-treating vets without respect (this makes us look like a low-rate organization the way we cut our vets, treating Christie like garbage, making dumb statements, getting rid of Flutie the way we did. What free-agent will want to come here, not even Tony Banks will show up.) </i>

Bullsh**. This is a business, not some good ole boys club where loyalties outweigh everything. That's what Fade and butt-ugly were running. Flutie was released after an interview, and it was professionally done. Rogers and Wiley were simply not re-signed. Holocek's release was a result of thinking he could play MLB. He can't. That's why he's a BACKUP in SD who plays only when they use the 3-4 or nickel packages. The only release I really have a problem with was Jones', as there was no replacement on the roster.

Treating vets like garbage? Who, Corey Moore? Bullsh**. Moore acted irresponsibly in not contacting his employer about his time away from work. His attitude sucked, he was a mediocre player at best (and thus isn't playing right now), and was cut. Nothing wrong with that. Who else has been treated like garbage? Just being cut is NOT being treated like garbage. These are employees, and they can be released, fired, canned, axed, down-sized (except for Flutie) just like anyone else.

<i>-hiring rookie coordinators (hiring the QB coach of the Seahawks-how dumb are you)</i>

That depends on your philosophy. Hiring rookies is often the way to build a long-term franchise, whereas getting vets is more of a short-term solution.

Whatever the philosophy, though, after 4 games of coaching, there is no way to tell if these guys are good or not. I'm not impressed with Sheppard's play calling so far, but it's hard to tell if it's that or poor execution of the plays on the field. Both coaches are working with crappy lines, and both are rookies. I won't judge them until the end of the season. You, however, are operating on an agenda. Your favorites (Flutie, Rogers, Holocek, Jones, Lewis, Butt-ler, and so on) were let go, and since your loyalties are with them instead of the team, you're MORE than ready to jump to conclusions after 4 games.

So have fun and keep jumping, 66. Some of us will keep an open mind for you.

I'm sorry, but that was awful.

1.Wow, their starting 4 rookies on defense. This defese SUCKS. They shouldn't be starting anyway.

2. At least they had the balls to get rid of one of the two, it's not that hard to get rid of a good QB who is loved for a crappy one. Bad decision, all of Western NY could have told you that.

3. Free agents want money and to come to a good organization. Donahue is ruining that repuation by reating vets like crap.

4. There is NO EXCUSE for playing as poorly as we did.

NOTE : In this day in age in the NFL there is no such thing as rebuilding. We stayed 10 years at the top with a late draft pick. Unless you have a stud QB like Manning, who you want to groom you don't throw away a season to rebuild, because that concept does not exist.

[Stealth01]

<i>1.Wow, their starting 4 rookies on defense. This defese SUCKS. They shouldn't be starting anyway. </i>

No, they're NOT starting 4 rookies on defense. They're starting Spoon (who has played well) and Clements (who has played well and would have 2 INTs right now if not for a blown call).

The other two are on offense (Henry and Jennings). Try thinking before you respond.

The players sucking on D are: Price, Flowers, Foreman, Wright, Irvin, and Hill. That's more than half the D, and while the others certainly aren't playing great, the ones sucking are not the rookies.

<i>2. At least they had the balls to get rid of one of the two, it's not that hard to get rid of a good QB who is loved for a crappy one. Bad decision, all of Western NY could have told you that. </i>

Too bad WNY is split down the middle 50-50 on the RJ-DF issue. It's just that Flutie Flakes are the more vocal because they feel slighted. I was in favor of cutting them both, and when SD is 8-8 or 7-9, you'll understand why.

<i>3. Free agents want money and to come to a good organization. Donahue is ruining that repuation by reating vets like crap. </i>

Again, you provide NO proof to backup your claim. Holocek and Jones both bitched after they were released, but they were both (IMHO) spoiled by Butt-ler who overpaid them and pampered them with great contracts. Antowain had made bitching a way of life and wanted out of Buffalo, so he doesn't count.

Note that Wiley, Flutie, Rogers, Greer, etc are NOT bitching about leaving. Show me someone close to football who says the vets were treated unfairly.

<i>4. There is NO EXCUSE for playing as poorly as we did. </i>

Nope. And no one is making excuses. We have the youngest team in the NFL, the youngest coaching staff, and new systems on O and D. That alone will degrade play. Massive amounts of talent left because we couldn't afford them thanks to Butt-ler. You may be right -- we may suck and the moves might be dumb. But I'm saying it's too early to tell.

<i>NOTE : In this day in age in the NFL there is no such thing as rebuilding. We stayed 10 years at the top with a late draft pick. Unless you have a stud QB like Manning, who you want to groom you don't throw away a season to rebuild, because that concept does not exist.</i>

You have fewer clues than RJ in the pocket. There IS rebuilding. Some fickle fans just can't live with it. That's why you aren't doing anything in professional football -- you make decisions based on emotion and loyalty to icon players instead of the future of the organization.

And you say the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over. You're a broken record.

[jeffblue19]

First of all, i don't know how many people have told you, but i know quite a few have. It's DonaHOE, not Donahue!! Thanks Stealth for further pointing out the ignorance of 66. THERE IS REBUILDING. Some teams try to stay mediocre (like the Bills did with Butler and Co. for so long). Obviously you enjoy having a team that can MAYBE make it to the 1st round of the playoffs every year, but never further. Eventually you have to let go of the idea that you can make it further and you have to accept the idea that it's time to start over. The Bills didn't want to rebuild half-a$$. They needed to fix the cap problem and there was no one better to deal with it than Donahoe. He made some REALLY tough decisions, including some questionable ones. BUT, perhaps he made the ones that will clear up the cap situation in the shortest amount of time. This guy knows more about football than you can even comprehend. He knows the ins and outs that you have no clue about. Releasing aging veterans who are on the downsides of their careers (DF, Christie, Washington) and drafting well is exactly what REAL rebuilding is all about. Throw in some free agent pickups (which will come in a year or two for us), and your team is on its way to being very competitive again. It's fans like you that will test the patience of the people running this team and i hope they just brush it off and continue going about their business as planned.

[Stealth01]

Yeah, there's the player I forgot. I can't BELIEVE people think he got shafted. The man failed to adjust to a new snapper and holder, missed more preseason FGs than he made, and made up all kinds of BS excuses for his POOR PERFORMANCE. He had a nagging groin injury and was cut when he REFUSED an injury settlement. I'd have cut him, too. His performance in preseason was horrendous. Arians has been sharp so far, and I'm glad they cut Christie loose. He couldn't kick off to save his life, either. And Mohr -- he just sucked.

Well-put, Jeff.

[FanOnSabbatical]

Donahoe was the best replacement for Butler that we could find.

His drafts in Pittsburgh were the equal of Butler's drafts here in Buffalo.

Now, in defense of Butler:

He cut B. Smith, Andre Reed and Thurman Thomas because he had to. He was prepared to do similar this year. Our defense got exposed last year due to injuries to 5 starters and being on the field too long. I don't buy that was the reason he got out of town.

Also, he could not explode a perennial play-off team, get us under the cap and make us more competitive in 2-3 years. He would have no one else to blame and been crucified. A new management can do this.

Greg Williams mistakes:

The West Coast offense. Rob Johnson's two weaknesses are quick decision making and quick release. You don't install an offense that REQUIRES these traits to be successful. No, you hire a QB tutor, work on these weaknesses and install an offense that will not expose these. I.E. a long ball passing game with roll outs. It's the cart before the horse.

The "46" defense. The Bills have drafted for a 3-4 defense for years. Wilson can call our drafts "bad" but that's his beef with Butler talking. The problem is the switch to the "46' that doesn't have the right personnel. You should keep that as your base defense and work in plays with the new system, until you can build the personnel needed for it. They quickly found out they too many linebackers and not enough defensive linemen. Hmmmmm.

[jeffblue19]

TRUE, we have drafted for a 3-4 as long as we've been playing it. We, in turn, this year, got rid of the 3-4 playing Holecek and run stuffing, overweight, past his prime Washington as well as others.

[Stealth01]

Yeah, I questioned whether or not we had the people to run the 4-3/46 when GW said we would use it. It LOOKED good for awhile. If Holocek had been able to step up and play MLB, then Cowart would be on the outside and we'd have some serious sacks right now. But things started going wrong when Damione Lewis and Marcus Stroud were taken ahead of the Bills, meaning we went with a CB (also needed for the 46) instead and re-signed Price. Price has not played with a damn, though, and hasn't had the penetrating power he has shown in years past. Williams has looked good, but is always doubleteamed.

In the LB corps, once Cowart moved back inside and Holocek was released, we were under-equipped for the 4-3. Foreman is a backup and played MLB at U of Neb. He's played ILB mostly with the Bills. So he's in a new position. That means that when Cowart went down, Newman was the only person playing his natural position. Spoon, however, has proven he CAN play MLB and could result in Cowart moving outside next year.

The secondary. Well, the Henry Jones move was probably stupid, but if these guys are building the D for a good year next year or later, they may want Hill to learn the D and pass that knowledge on to whoever they pick up to play the position permanently. If they think he's the solution, they're on crack. The more time Clements gets, the better this secondary will get, and if they pick up a SS, this unit can be excellent next year.

I think they're heading the right way. They in 2 years, through draft and FA, they can have a very good defense assembled, but they need a DT, DE, OLB, and SS. When they GET those people, though, there will be vets who know the system and can teach them. That's probably why they went to it this year despite not having the personnel.

Don't give me that BS steath.

Name one team other than the Colts that rebuilt their team through drafting in the top 10.

The Bengals don't count because they sucked for 10 years.

1. You really don't know football. You don't need a top 10 player to have a great draft.

2. obviously you have football sense. the reasons for this is that you do not undersand that a football team begins with their coach. They will, and I guarantee you this win with a guy like Gregg Williams. Even if he had the Rams offense and the Ravens defense he would still lose.

3. Don't hire losers. There's a reason Donahoe isn't in Pittsburgh.

4. you want to have a good organization so you can attract free agents and keep your stars here. Buffalo doesn't have the appeal of a New York, but players will come here if we're run well.

Enough said

[Stealth01]

Your poor typing indicates a hurried, emotional response, 66. What's wrong? Dont like being proven wrong?

<i>Don't give me that BS steath.</i>

I never BS, 66.

<i>Name one team other than the Colts that rebuilt their team through drafting in the top 10.</i>

First of all, I never said the Bills would rebuild by drafting in the Top Ten. I said they would rebuild by drafting. And when the cap is straightened out, they will add some key FAs.

Since I NEVER said Top Ten picks, look at the rosters of the Rams, Saints, Titans, Broncos, Ravens, Raiders, Giants, Eagles, Packers, and Vikes. All of them reqbuilt using a combination of select FAs and solid drafting. The draft is essential to building a team. No one can afford to hire a ton of FAs these days, so drafting good, young players is critical. And since I NEVER said Top Ten pick, perhaps you need to re-read things before you reply in your normal uninformed, over-emotional, and irrational manner.

<i>1. You really don't know football. You don't need a top 10 player to have a great draft.</i>

Again, never said it. Show me where I did. Sure, they can help, but they're not needed.

<i>2. obviously you have football sense. the reasons for this is that you do not undersand that a football team begins with their coach. They will, and I guarantee you this win with a guy like Gregg Williams. Even if he had the Rams offense and the Ravens defense he would still lose. </i>

THank you. I do have some football sense, and they WILL win under GW. The Broncos win under a dictator-style coach (He's having them practice today in FULL PADS at FULL SPEED for losing to the Seahawks). The Saints do.

<i>3. Don't hire losers. There's a reason Donahoe isn't in Pittsburgh.</i>

It's because he came between the owner and his fair-haired boy Cowher. Funny, but no one in the business has qwuestioned TD's skill. The debate was over who would control personnel decisions, not TD's skill.

<i>4. you want to have a good organization so you can attract free agents and keep your stars here. Buffalo doesn't have the appeal of a New York, but players will come here if we're run well.</i>

ANd your point was what? Make some sense in your posts for a change.

<i>Enough said </i>

Good! Does that mean you'll go away now?

"I don't see how you can judge the draft right now, just because a couple of analysts have agreed with you."

Well, let's see there 66, since Jennings is already our best OL, and Henry and Clements both show exceptional promise to be two of the league's best, I'd say based on that alone it was a successful draft.

Great first analysis Stealth. :thumb: :thumb:

The way I see it, we should have made our changes on O first. Kept Rogers, Holecek, and Jones. Kept our D a 3-4 until next year when we could plan for more DLmen. Way too many changes for one year all around. If our D had stayed the same format, and with Cotrell as the DC, we'd have been a top half D and we'd not have been so horrible w/o having killed ourselves capwise. Hanson, Williams, and our next best on the other side would have been fine.

Oh well, this'll probably move us along a little faster, but we would have been more competitive by changing one side at a time. IMO...

Oh well, it's not like we would have been going anywhere in the playoffs anyway. I'm sure we'll make some good moves this offseason. But hey, there's still 12 games yet to play!!!

GO BILLS!!!

[jeffblue19]

should we just call you Mr. Ignorant, Player66?? Get your head out of your a$$ and wake up. We are rebuilding. Deal with it.

I"m not even going to resond to your post because it's just stupid. It's the same crap again. You're badtalking our GM and our coach because we're 0-4. OH NO! Mike Holmgren has had VERY little success in Seattle, he must suck too. Get him out of there. There are other coaches who are PROVEN in this league who are struggling right now and it's not all on their shoulders. Look at what Marty Schottenheimer has to work with in Washington. He had NEVER in his career started out a season 0-3 and now he's 0-5. And your comments about Lewis getting something out of this defense. Williams' defense was better that year than Lewis'. You bring that argument up with NOTHING to base it on. Lewis should have been hired. WHY? Lead us through the step-by-step of what Donahoe should have done, along with the numbers for this year and how it would affect our cap situation this season and next. You were ready to accept mediocrity forever and deny the inevitable. The facts would have remained...we were NOT going to win the Super Bowl with the team we had. It was time for a new start. We are going to struggle for a while. Many teams have done it, now it's our turn. We are lucky in some ways. We have some good young talent to build around. You have a Moulds, a Riemersma, McDaniel, Henry on offense. You have Cowart, Newman, Winfield, Clements and Pat Williams on Defense. We're not totally empty. Now, you just have to use the draft, and EVENTUALLY free agency, to build around them and build the team back up. You're overreacting because we're 0-4 and you sound like a little kid.

[jeffblue19]

Stealth, great reply to a terrible post by 66!! Very good stuff.

[Stealth01]

We're not going to convince him, and he'll just respond with:

"They should have hired Lewis."

"TD got run out of Pittsburgh"

"SHould have kept Flutie"

"Should have kept ALL the defense"

"We're 0-4!"

Time to just start ignoring Loser66.

[NoOlineNoWin]

Williams at least wears a head set and can see his toes...

...Donahue at least returns Ralph's calls

[naeliac]

I like your reasoning, but I disagree with your conclusion. I think we are good at LB, with Wright and Forman being solid (sam rogers style) players who can execute well on a familiar assignment on D (they just need alot of reps, I say about game 11 this year we will see them hit a nice stride). If you throw in Cowart and Spoon, we have a great starting 3 (newman + cowart outside = best edge rush around). We do need a DE (hope for Schobel and Fischer) to be a strong pass rusher, and a new DT would help too (I think one of our rookies will develope though). Safetys are a dime a dozen in this leauge, so we should be able to move around ours or pick up a nice one in the draft. As for O, we need a guard, a tackle and a utility back up. I really think we are 5-8 players away from being great, and with the huge influx of FA next season (we might be able to scrap some cap sucking players in the expansion draft) we might get them all. Go Bills.

Geesh. Does Rick have to create another forum for the TD/GW bashers? LMAO!!!!

[mitchster16]

cmon some of you guys dont deserve to be bills fans there rebuilding right now you have to give them some time to see whats wrong with the off and def. and fix it until then give them a break.

Why are you even posting on a Buffalo Bills board? I have not heard one positive thing about our team in any of your posts. You just talk smack.

What's up with that? Got your Flutie jersey on a little too tight?

[jeffblue19]

it's pretty hard to beat out tdrj in the race for the worst poster award, but he might already be gaining on him, if he doesn't have him beat already.

[Canisius85]

Originally posted by bgreen63
NoOlineNoWin


Again, the crux of the matter...for the offense anyhow. I can't for the life of me understand how any professional, whether it be Donahoe, grEGG, Wilson, Butler Pendry, WHOEVER, could look at our offensive line (even before all the injuries) and say that it is sound. I don't think any system can be run with our men up front.
As much as I love watching Nate Clements play, I couldn't believe for the life of me that we did not go O-line with our first two or three picks. Even if you like John Fina, he's in his TENTH year! Ostroski is a solid player with alot of heart, but IMO is backup level talent. (Although he is quite versitile, I will grant him that) Even Reuben is in his eighth year.

The Bills of the 1970's had some terrible W-L records, but they were always fun to watch. One reason was the blocking of McKenzie, DeLamelleure, et al. This team isn't even fun to watch because they can't block anybody. We have such dynamic talent at the skill positions, and no way to utilize them.

I am extremely angry. I live in breathe Football (and hockey). I can't find a bright spot because there isn't any. Maybe Travis Henry and Moulds is proven, but other than that I'm really very disappointed. I don't think we should be in this situation. Although we have a plethora of rookies I'm not all that positive about them because they haven't showed me enough to be GOOD players.

[Stealth01]

Kind of strange the way THREE different coaching staffs and TWO general managers thought these guys were good to go.

I thought the reshuffle would have helped a little, and to be honest, I think there are some keepers. Conaty is good and will get better with a year as starter. He's making decent calls and is competent. Jennings looks good so far and if he keeps it up, he'll player for years. Hulsey? Yeah, right. Ostroski is "versatile," which means not great at any position. Brown plays well, but is making up for the other weak link -- FINA. Fina plays like sh** and is, IMHO, the true weak link on the line. The Saints game made that painfully (for RJ) obvious. Ruben's play is degraded because he's trying to cover RJ's mistakes.

If Jennings, Brown, and Conaty can stay, that means we need a LT (most important) and RG.

Oh, Calvin Collins just signed with the Vikes. There goes on chance.

[Justafan]

Judging TD and GW....to early to Judge anyone at this point .

To say getting rid of DF for Rob is another one. Too early to judge that decision. So far Rob's a disappointment. As for the mullet , who knows if he would've done better, it's anyones GUESS.

As for questioning Butlers loyalty, he may have had bad money management but understand one thing too, Ralph was the one who gave Flutie all those millions w/c help in putting us in the hole. Not Bulter.

Regardless of what people think on this board, he was great manager but that's just my opinion and in the eyes of most NFL experts ( I'm definitely not an expert). We were one of the best (at least) or aguably the best when it came to drafting, that's what I've read and saw on NFL shows on t.V. No other team came close to the bills when it came to retaining and having more drafted players that ended up being steady starters and assets for the team. Of course TD dismantled those players, but I can't say if that was a wrong move in TD's part yet.

It's evident he drafted the right people in SD. LT and Dwight for Vick so far looks like a genius move.

Like I said bad money management. He paid too much for DF, Rogers but Wiley is still a question b/c of injury. He's doing great despite having a screw in his foot.

Flutie was signed for little money, he went out and earned his raise. Johnson was GIVEN a 5 year 25 million dollar contract for having 1 good game for Jacksonville.

If Butler messed up anywhere it was GIVING Johnson all that money for nothing.

[Player6600]

I'm still trying to figure this one out.

[billsfanone]

Clements & Henry

Hopefully, dumb RJ.

[Stealth01]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Cleaned up the cap mess left by BUTTler!!!

Amen, Clumper!

We have a CHANCE to sign FAs this year if we want, and will be able to be ACTIVE in FA if we want next year. That is something Buttler had totally thrown away to keep average players like Rogers, Holocek, Jones, and A-Train. Now we have a potential RB of the future (I hope he produces again next year), a future Pro Bowl CB, a potential Hansen replacement (Schobel), and 11 mill under the projected cap! Of course, most of that is needed to sign rookies, but we'll see what useless FAs are gone by draft day (IRvin, Fina, Hill, Carman, etc.)

[Stealth01]

Originally posted by Ebenezer
This thread was started in October and many answers have been given. Most particular about the salcap. Why is this thread still going?

Because Player6600 dredged it up for some reason.

This one has been beaten to death. It's being moved.

[DannyBoy]

I just can't get excited or upset about players being dumped, released, etc (when did the last trade occur in the NFL?). Look at their demands for salary and the comments a lot of them make about not getting respect from the coaches, not getting the ball enough, not being given the chance, etc. For the majority, "SCREW EM". Take your money while you can and move on, but we don't need to hear your whining. The players know going into an organization that they are only there for as long as they perform, produce and fit into the team’s playing scheme. I will admit that in a few cases a player may not have been treated with sincere kindness, but in most instances it’s a two way street of “strictly business”. Some of these players mouth off the whole time they are with a club about not enough pay, lack of respect by the team for not offering the fair market value, etc. That has to weigh on a GM and coaching staff. We have had plenty of examples of that in our own Bills. We fans only see a fraction of what goes on personnel-wise, so it is tough to really know if someone is being treated poorly or not. A big part of the reality in being paid so well in professional sports is that it can all end if the output on the field declines. This isn’t Professional Sports of the 50’s and 60’s anymore where there was a kind of high school loyalty. It hasn’t been for a long time.