Bills looking to trade up in the draft?

[superman]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7224632

The Patriots and Bills are both trying to trade up to get a big-play receiver. The Bills have the 13th pick, and would love to move up to possibly get a shot at one of the premier receivers in the draft, Roy Williams of Texas or Pitt's Larry Fitzgerald. New England, which has two first-round picks (21 and 32), is also looking to move up to possibly get one of those two. They have talked with Detroit about the sixth overall pick. Both teams need big-play receivers, so these discussions make a lot of sense.

AND (a lil something extra in the article)

Bills coach Mike Mularkey said he plans to use Travis Henry and Willis McGahee in the same backfield some this season. Henry is penciled in as the starter, but McGahee looked good last week during the team's minicamp and he is a first-round pick who sat out last year recovering from ACL surgery. Henry has two years left on his contract, so perhaps the Bills are readying McGahee to take over after Henry leaves in 2006, unless, of course, he beats him out.

[Jadakiss]

As long as they get Roy I'm a happy camper!

[Tigerbenna]

AMEN!!!!!!!!!! Even if Roy goes to Oakland and Larry to Arizona...we could still grab Big Ben, Kellen or Taylor at 6!!!! TD, that is an EXCELLENT place to trade up to!

[Jadakiss]

What would have to give up to possibly move up to that position?

[35Pete]

Stay put and hope either Rivers or Udeze falls to us. We can get a WR in the 2nd round.

[hebert19]

I still disagree with trading up, unless it doesnt cost us a pick this year...which it probably would. the draft is deep, and we could still snag great position players in the 2nd, 3rd and even 4th rounds. so losing one of these picks would be all bad.

If we cna trade up for a next years pick, or a player, then great...but there are too many needs to address this year to lose one of our picks

thoughts

[35Pete]

Originally posted by hebert19
I still disagree with trading up, unless it doesnt cost us a pick this year...which it probably would. the draft is deep, and we could still snag great position players in the 2nd, 3rd and even 4th rounds. so losing one of these picks would be all bad.

If we cna trade up for a next years pick, or a player, then great...but there are too many needs to address this year to lose one of our picks

thoughts

I agree wholeheartedly. This years draft is so deep I believe that a lot of 2004 2nd rounders would have in the 1st round last year. Where do you think Kelsey would have went this year? I say the 3rd round. Don't waste a top pick to draft a WR. Stay put and get 3 great players in the 1st 3 rounds.

[mac60jus]

Originally posted by superman
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7224632

New England, which has two first-round picks (21 and 32), is also looking to move up to possibly get one of those two. They have talked with Detroit about the sixth overall pick. Both teams need big-play receivers, so these discussions make a lot of sense.

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According to Espn Insider the Pats have reached an aggreement to trade their 21 and 32 plus a sencd and a 4th to Detroit for their 6th, but only if Sean Taylor is avalible.

[billpa]

I'd say Detroit gets the better end of that deal, unless Taylor ends up being really, really great.

[billpa]

But the other picks could end up being great too, so I guess I would say that Detroit did get the better end of the deal if it goes through.

[ptybill]

Wshould stay put. I think it is pretty unlikely that 8 of the first 12 picks will be on offense, when so many of the teams ahead of us have clear defensive needs and with players like udeze and sean taylor and wilfork still available. That means that we should be able to get one of the top three QBs or WRs. We need for teams like Houston and the Jets to go for defensive help and we'll be ok. It will be key to see what the Giants do...if they take Big Ben, then Pittsburgh will take Rivers. If the Giants pass on Big Ben, we will probably have Rivers available. (all this asuming no team below us trades up to get a QB).

[RixBills]

Originally posted by billpa
I'd say Detroit gets the better end of that deal, unless Taylor ends up being really, really great.

Are you kidding me? "unless Taylor ends up being really, really great?" UNLESS?!? Hello!! That dude is far and away THE BEST player available in this year's draft, with Kellen Jr. not to far behind. Taylor is Ronnie Lott, Ed Reed, Roy Williams(ss from Dallas) and Brian Dawkins all rolled into one. He's a BIG hitter and an even bigger playmaker.

Mark my words..."Sean Taylor WILL be in the Pro Bowl this season."

As for trading up. Only if Roy Williams is available at the time we want to trade up, whether it be the 6th or 7th pick overall. If not, I say sit tight at #13 overall, take one of the following, Rivers, Udeze, Reggie Williams, R. Woods. (If it were up to me, I'd snag Udeze and go after a WR in the second round. This draft is DEEEEP at WR, so there will be PLENTY of impact WR's in the second round too.) As for QB, take one in th e 3rd. Lorenzen, Shuab(sp), Harris, Navarra... I'm sure any of them will be there for our 3rd round selection, and all of them are about the same talent level. (although Shuab(sp) may have an edge)

[Merk]

The Bills moving up isn't even the best part of this article. The best part is that they are looking for a WR in the 1st and not a QB.

WR=1st
QB=2nd or 3rd

[dogginbox]

trade our 13 pick to detroit and at the 6 spot take kellen winslow jr


then in the 2nd rnd pick lee evans

dont get me wrong a guy like sean taylor only comes around once and i would have a hard time not taking him myself if he were there but unfortunately we dont need him

[DezertBill]

I still think we would be fine with Reggie Williams. He is supposed to be a Terrell Owens with a positive attitude.

If they do move up, it needs to be for a top flight receiver. That's would be a player that would help out immediately.

Remember, the Bills aren't rebuilding. They need to use their first round pick on someone that can help them this year. A top flight WR would do that.

I think Detroit taking NE 21 and 32nd pick, and the 4th round for the 6th overall is a coup for Matt Millen. The Lions aren't a player or two away. They've done pretty well in the early rounds thus far and should be able to build on a winning team with two first round picks in 04.

[bills juggernaut]

Originally posted by dogginbox
trade our 13 pick to detroit and at the 6 spot take kellen winslow jr


then in the 2nd rnd pick lee evans




If we traded for Detroit's first rounder, I don't think we'd have a second round pick this year (or one next year for that matter).

[RoboticBill]

From what I have heard and read, Detroit wants at least four picks for their #6. We dont have that many to give unless its from next years draft. NE has that many to give this year, so they will probably get that pick. Regardless, I think Detroit will stay put.

[Figurita20]

I would only consider trading up if we're going after Sean Taylor who's the better player in the DRAFT, if they're targeting a WR stay put and hope for one to drop there.

[nATEFan22]

If we TRaded up for roy williams I WOULD FLIP OUT!!

[Billeve]

Has Donahoe ever traded up in a draft? From what I hear I don't think he ever has. If anything I think Donahoe will trade down because this draft is so deep at WR and QB.

[wagoncircler]

Originally posted by Billeve
Has Donahoe ever traded up in a draft? From what I hear I don't think he ever has. If anything I think Donahoe will trade down because this draft is so deep at WR and QB.

It definitely seems to go against his grain to trade up, but predictability also goes against his grain. He must be making inquiries--though they may be just that, inquiries, to explore all options. It's good to know that he would consider trading up to get the right deal.

The cool thing is that even if we stand-pat at 13, this is a deep draft, and one way or another we're sure to pick up an impact player.

Though many seem to hate him on this board (idiots), Donahoe certainly makes draft day worth watching.

[billpa]

He traded up to get Ryan Denney, but that was in the second round.

[35Pete]

Originally posted by billpa
He traded up to get Ryan Denney, but that was in the second round.

What a mistake that was! Ryan Denney is the Drew Bledsoe of Defensive Ends!! 95% potential, 5% production.

[wagoncircler]

No love for TD?! I hope you guys remember (no disrespect to the departed but...) the John Butler era. Cap jail would have continued, and we'd still be paying 4 or 5 John Fina-type dead-money deals. We could do far worse GM-wise than Donahoe.

[35Pete]

Originally posted by wagoncircler
No love for TD?! I hope you guys remember (no disrespect to the departed but...) the John Butler era. Cap jail would have continued, and we'd still be paying 4 or 5 John Fina-type dead-money deals. We could do far worse GM-wise than Donahoe.

I still think TD is a good GM. Like all GM's though he does make a mistake from time to time.

[buffmaniac]

At the very least TD has stole the headlines the past 2 drafts. Bledsoe in 2002 and McGahee last year. What could he have planned this year?

[Pablo]

I agree the Bills should not trade up; they might get one of the above mentioned guys, but at what cost? They need more than just a receiver and even if they get Winslow or one of the Williamses in a trade-up, that's just one guy.

Bills would have to give up at least one or two other picks (like a second and third or next year's number one?) in addition to the 13th overall to move up to say, #6.

And, let's not use the word 'great" until we've seen these rookies suceed in the NFL.

[kdhammond]

WRs are a dime a dozen. Besides S, it is the easiest position to find competent players at.

To follow the line of thinking that you don't need to take a QB high in the draft to be successful because NE won the SB with Brady:
Who were the Pat's WRs???? I say nobody impressive, but yet they won the SB.

[Mouldsie]

The only player I'd trade up for is Larry Fitzgerald. Otherwise I'm fine witha trade down and or Rivers

[Merk]

Were also assuming that they are trying to trade up to the 6th. Maybe TD is just trying to trade into the top 10.

[JKJK]

Are we trading up to get a receiver so that Bledsoe succeeds? Just contrast the idea of trading up to get a receiver with the idea of building a team through building the offensive and defensive lines. I'd rather build the lines. We already have a good receiver in Moulds.

[nATEFan22]

Originally posted by JKJK
Are we trading up to get a receiver so that Bledsoe succeeds? Just contrast the idea of trading up to get a receiver with the idea of building a team through building the offensive and defensive lines. I'd rather build the lines. We already have a good receiver in Moulds.

but we need more than one reciever dude, i think all we need now is a GOOD #2 wr, and a pass rushing de, mcnally helps alot with the o-line

[35Pete]

We can still get a great WR in the 2nd round. QB is a more pressing need. There are plenty of teams in the league with a much less talented WR corps than our present one yet their QB seems to get production out of them. Funny, we are trying to mask the poor play at QB with other positions. Why don't we just get rid of the poor QB and have a new one get the most out of his supporting cast?

[buffmaniac]

I don't think QB is a more pressing need. Besides it is not too often a rookie comes in and has success right away. We definitely need a QB for the future, but I think we can find one in round 2 or 3. This season, though, Bledsoe gives us the best chance to win. This team needs some more weapons no matter who the QB is. After Moulds got hurt who was our go to guy? We didn't have one. I say draft a WR in round 1. And then if things do work with Moulds getting healthy and Reed improving then you will have a real good core of WRs to go along with your 2 headed monster at RB. That can be a very explosive offense.

[unklechucky]

Originally posted by buffmaniac
I don't think QB is a more pressing need. Besides it is not too often a rookie comes in and has success right away. We definitely need a QB for the future, but I think we can find one in round 2 or 3. This season, though, Bledsoe gives us the best chance to win. This team needs some more weapons no matter who the QB is. After Moulds got hurt who was our go to guy? We didn't have one. I say draft a WR in round 1. And then if things do work with Moulds getting healthy and Reed improving then you will have a real good core of WRs to go along with your 2 headed monster at RB. That can be a very explosive offense.


Thank you, someone who finally sees the big picture. Its sickening to see all the Rivers supporters twisting opinions and threads any way they can to get a mention of him. Anyways, a WR or DE is a much more pressing need and a 1st rounder at these positions is beneficial because they can make an immediate impact. Mr Rivers cant and wont.

[JKJK]

If we needed a top wide receiver so much, why didn't we pick one last year? There were several on the board when we drafted mcGahee. Anquan Boldin lasted until the second round, and two other receives were drafted ahead of him.

As someone said, most teams don't have two big play receivers. We had two, and let one get away for a draft choice.


Originally posted by buffmaniac
I don't think QB is a more pressing need. Besides it is not too often a rookie comes in and has success right away. We definitely need a QB for the future, but I think we can find one in round 2 or 3. This season, though, Bledsoe gives us the best chance to win. This team needs some more weapons no matter who the QB is. After Moulds got hurt who was our go to guy? We didn't have one. I say draft a WR in round 1. And then if things do work with Moulds getting healthy and Reed improving then you will have a real good core of WRs to go along with your 2 headed monster at RB. That can be a very explosive offense.

[buffmaniac]

You make a good point. I personally don't think at the time any WR was worth our pick at that point last year. In hindsight, I would have liked Boldin but not at the time.

I personally feel you need to have more than 1 weapon to throw to on offense. Because if teams double that guy or he gets hurt you will be in trouble like we were last year. Now if Reed can take his game to the next level or McGahee becomes a factor in the passing game that would help. But if we can grab a stud WR like Mike or Roy Williams I think it would take alot of pressure off everyone else. Besides I am all for having as many weapons on offense as possible. I want a healthy Moulds. I want Reed to improve and maybe play slot where he is terrific. I want a young stud WR like Mike or Roy who can make some big plays. I would like a TE like Ben Troupe or Watson in the 2nd who can both catch and block. I want to pound Henry and McGahee down other team's throats. I want us to sign Kordell and use him as a backup and as a slash type player. Now can you imagine a defense trying to prepare for this offense with all the different things we can throw at you. Plus an injury here or there won't hurt as much because we will have so many different weapons. With this offense to go along with our defense, I think we could be real tough team to play. I don't know. That is just what I am thinking. And then just to add I would grab our QB of the future in 3rd with somelike Schaub or Harris.

[superman]

the 13th pick is in limbo this year so either TD trades up or he trades down.

I seriously doubt that either of the DE's will be there. There isnt any depth at DE this year which means a team needing one (almost everyone) will reach a bit on these 2 guys because there just isnt anything out there. As an AFC GM points out :http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1773955

That means someone has to fall out and it will probably be the DT's which we dont need and QB's.

Mike Martz has said this is one of the deepest QB drafts he's seen in awhile. I also dont see TD drafting a QB in the 1st rd because that position most scouts feel is the hardest to project and to invest all that money on a guy you can never be sure about.

Roy Williams, Fitzgerald, and Gallery so far have seemed like huge talents without the baggage. Maybe the Bills are looking to get one of the WR's as top character guys to, you know they weigh that big.

This draft may be deep but I think we have a solid roster that can win. We shouldnt even be picking this high so maybe TD is thinking, since we're here maybe we can get into the top 10 without paying a ransom.

[Wing Eater]

All of this arguing could be in vain if the nfl has its way. Should the NFL win in the Clarret appeal, then Mike Williams suddenly isn't an option and thus all those players move up and the Bills will probably miss out on both Roy Williams and Larry Fitzgerald.

Besides we need a QB!

[Mouldsie]

Originally posted by Billeve
Has Donahoe ever traded up in a draft? From what I hear I don't think he ever has. If anything I think Donahoe will trade down because this draft is so deep at WR and QB.


He traded up a lot in Pittsburgh trading down is somehting he started doing here.

[MarcP]

If there is one position where you don't have to trade up to get its the WR position. This draft is loaded with outstanding WR's .The guy that wrote this doesn't have a clue. What BS.

[ozzie]

I am trying to think of TD's record in the draft. I don't remember a time when he traded up in a draft?? I know he has traded down in the draft. I would not look for him to change any!

[Lil Jim 1031]

Wide Receivers may be our biggest area of need. But if L.Fitzgerald, R.Williams, and M.Williams are gone by #13, why somewhat reach and take R. Williams in the first round. There is not much different between him and the elite second tier receivers, one of which should be around in the second.
Lee Evans, M. Clayton, M. Jenkins are all outstanding receivers.

The one guy that really intrigues me though is R. Woods. This guy dominated in college though entire defenses just focused on stopping him. He was double teamed every game and still managed to post 10+ catches on numerous occassions. He ran a great time at his workout, 4.4, and runs excellent routes with great hands. I would rather have this guy in the second, then take R. Williams in the first. He's almost as good as Williams plus we would be able to address an area of need in the first such as DE or QB.

[JKJK]

I'd like to see a good pass catching tight end. All of this talk from Mularkey about having Bledsoe take a five step drop and throw the ball immediately, having him make hot reads, etc. in an offense that isn't a west coast offense but is like a west coast offense strikes me as fanciful. Bledsoe did well witha big pass catching tight end in the past. If he's the QB, I'd like to see the Bills get him a good tight end to throw to. I'm not impressed with the tight ends on our roster.

Originally posted by buffmaniac
You make a good point. I personally don't think at the time any WR was worth our pick at that point last year. In hindsight, I would have liked Boldin but not at the time.

I personally feel you need to have more than 1 weapon to throw to on offense.

[Mouldsie]

Originally posted by MarcP
If there is one position where you don't have to trade up to get its the WR position. This draft is loaded with outstanding WR's .The guy that wrote this doesn't have a clue. What BS.

Yea because why trade up for a Marvin Harrison when you could stay and draft a Joey Galloway...

If the player is truly great you don't pass him up or settle for another WR that's good, but not spectacular.

[nATEFan22]

Originally posted by MOULDSROCKS
Yea because why trade up for a Marvin Harrison when you could stay and draft a Joey Galloway...

If the player is truly great you don't pass him up or settle for another WR that's good, but not spectacular.

o snap u told him

[wagoncircler]

Originally posted by nATEFan22
o snap u told him

Idiotspeak?

[JKJK]

word

Originally posted by nATEFan22
o snap u told him

[wagoncircler]

Originally posted by JKJK
word

Have we moved the clocks back to 1985?

[Awertzy]

Originally posted by 35Pete
We can still get a great WR in the 2nd round. QB is a more pressing need. There are plenty of teams in the league with a much less talented WR corps than our present one yet their QB seems to get production out of them. Funny, we are trying to mask the poor play at QB with other positions. Why don't we just get rid of the poor QB and have a new one get the most out of his supporting cast?

By the end of the season everyone will be back on the Bledsoe bandwagon, and we wont know what to think when we have a rookie first round pick on the bench for the next couple of years. We dont need a QB

[JKJK]

Just in your town.

Originally posted by wagoncircler
Have we moved the clocks back to 1985?

[wagoncircler]

Originally posted by JKJK
Just in your town.

You're sooooo gangsta! "Word".:rolleyes2

[JKJK]

I'm not anything. I just don't think you should arrogantly comment on the spelling and grammar of people who post here. Get the stick out of your ass and let people express themselves.

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Originally posted by wagoncircler
You're sooooo gangsta! "Word".:rolleyes2

[wagoncircler]

You should read and learn.

[Hurls]

back on topic please, or cbak no picot

[wagoncircler]

Originally posted by hurls
back on topic please, or cbak no picot :rofl:

[MidnightVoice]

I must say that it is much easier to read posts written in the mother tongue. Maybe we should move to make English the Official language of BBI? And delete chips from posts written in other languages?

Originally posted by hurls
back on topic please

Being off topic is not against the TOS :D

[nATEFan22]

IM about ta snuff that lil wagon bitch

[wagoncircler]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but Ebonics never hurt me.

[Mouldsie]

Originally posted by nATEFan22
o snap u told him

straight up, just keepin it real... I'm gettin crunk with this draft coming up

[ksl66]

That New England deal with Detriot sounds out of character for Belichik and Pioli, they built that organization through the draft. They try to acquire picks (i.e. Bledsoe) not package them together for a superstar. I'm sure Sean Taylor is going to be a heck of a player, but I can't tell you many guys I would give up 4 of the first 130 picks for.

[JKJK]

Don't let his bandwidth-wasting posts deter you from posting. And post any way you want. I'm sure that the things you have to say about football are more interesting than the little games he plays in all the threads. The dude gets off on posting nonsense and on arguing with people about what he posts because he has nothing intelligent to say about football.

Originally posted by nATEFan22
IM about ta snuff that lil wagon bitch

[espnnick20]

dont get me wrong tight end is a very improtant position but we have biger problems at wide receiver we should trade up to get mike or roy williams trading our next years second and 3rd round pics. next year we should go after brad smith of miss st or vince young of texas to fill our quarter back needs

let me know how u feel about this

[E2BLAZE]

Shaw and Reed could be good with MM as coach. Bledsoe was never better than when he had Coates to throw to in the endzone and he didn't have anyone like Moulds on the the field then either. Campbell is good but no Ben Coates...i say go for a TE with number 6