Kiper's latest rankings has Rivers #8 overall.

[admarc]

Philip Rivers has made a large leap up Kipers board and Lossman has dropped out of the top 25. http://espn.go.com/melkiper/ It now looks like a certainty he is going in the first round, and would not be a reach at #13.
Here's the list:

Player Class Pos. School Stock
1. Larry Fitzgerald So. WR Pitt.
Can't beat his size, skills and attitude.
2. Sean Taylor Jr. S Miami
Could be NFL's best safety early in his career.
3. Eli Manning Sr. QB Mississippi
Outstanding arm and tremendous pocket awareness.
4. Roy Williams Sr. WR Texas
A brilliant talent -- physically, he has it all.
5. Ben Roethlisberger Jr. QB Mia.-Oh.
Great size (6-5, 245) plus all the intangibles.
6. Robert Gallery Sr. OT Iowa
6-7, 318-pound pro-style pass blocker.
7. Kellen Winslow Jr. TE Miami
Speed, athleticism and pass-receiving skill of a WR.
8. Philip Rivers Sr. QB NC State
Accurate and smart; strong leader with great instincts.
9. Kenechi Udeze Jr. DE USC
Highly productive (16.5 sacks) and can still get better.
10. Tommie Harris Jr. DT Oklahoma
Quick off the ball and able to shed blocks.
11. Will Smith Sr. DE Ohio St.
Dominating outside pass rusher.
12. Chris Gamble Jr. CB Ohio St.
A gifted athlete wtih good recovery speed.
13. Shawn Andrews Jr. OT Arkansas
Massive (6-5, 360) and a tremendous run-blocker.
14. Steven Jackson Jr. RB Ore. St.
Tremendous blend of quickness and power.
15. Vince Wilfork Jr. DL Miami
Tremendous athletic ability for his size (6-1, 360).
16. Reggie Williams Jr. WR Wash.
Has the size to create favorable matchups.
17. Michael Clayton Jr. WR LSU
Tremendous toughness and athletic ability.
18. Ben Troupe Sr. TE Florida
A gifted athlete and imposing figure (6-4¼, 260).
19. Will Poole Sr. CB USC
A fast riser with good ball skills.
20. Dunta Robinson Sr. CB S. Car.
Excellent feet and great ball skills.
21. Jonathan Vilma Sr. LB Miami
Team's leading tackler the past two seasons.
22. Daryl Smith Sr. LB Ga. Tech
Intense, instinctive and football-savvy.
23. Randy Starks Sr. DT Maryland
Athletic and can explode up the field.
24. D.J. Williams Sr. OLB Miami
Physical specimen with tremendous computer numbers.
25. Michael Jenkins Sr. WR Ohio St.
Touchdown maker with imposing size.
Dropped Off:
J.P. Losman
Kevin Jones
Karlos Dansby

[Bflojohn2]

are guessing! Kiper at the Senior Bowl telecast on ESPN (their supposed expert!) had Philip Rivers the 5th rated QB, let alone #8 prospect in the entire draft. One thing to know, they (the draft experts) often get highly questionable information from what they will deem as credible sources. Don't believe everything you read with these guys..... It's simply entertainment ONLY!! Kiper, for instance had J.D. Williams, whom the Bills drafted first in 1991, I believe, as the #1 rated CB in the nation! Any Bills fan of that vintage can tell you he was SLIGHTLY OFF! Only one example of many!!!

[McD]

Let's wait until after the combine. That's usually the last major scramble of players by position and round. Some will gain that elusive "rising stock/vastly underrated/tremendous upside monicker that will cause GM's to lose all sense of reality.

[35Pete]

If we had to take Rivers in round one (which I am opposed to), we should trade down to 19 and get him there. This way we can pick up probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick and still stick it to Miami!

[Fogwrestler]

Cool, thanks for the post.

Anybody think we could use this guy?

13. Shawn Andrews Jr. OT Arkansas
Massive (6-5, 360) and a tremendous run-blocker.

[admarc]

I think my top 13 would be right now:

1. Eli Manning Sr. QB Mississippi
Outstanding arm and tremendous pocket awareness.
2. Ben Roethlisberger Jr. QB Mia.-Oh.
Great size (6-5, 245) plus all the intangibles.
3. Larry Fitzgerald So. WR Pitt.
Can't beat his size, skills and attitude.
4. Roy Williams Sr. WR Texas
A brilliant talent -- physically, he has it all.
5. Robert Gallery Sr. OT Iowa
6-7, 318-pound pro-style pass blocker.
6. Kellen Winslow Jr. TE Miami
Speed, athleticism and pass-receiving skill of a WR.
7. Sean Taylor Jr. S Miami
Could be NFL's best safety early in his career.
8. Philip Rivers Sr. QB NC State
Accurate and smart; strong leader with great instincts.
9. Kenechi Udeze Jr. DE USC
Highly productive (16.5 sacks) and can still get better.
10. Reggie Williams Jr. WR Wash.
Has the size to create favorable matchups.
11. Shawn Andrews Jr. OT Arkansas
Massive (6-5, 360) and a tremendous run-blocker.
12. Tommie Harris Jr. DT Oklahoma
Quick off the ball and able to shed blocks.
13. Will Smith Sr. DE Ohio St.
Dominating outside pass rusher.

I think there are 3 franchise QB's in this draft, and if you are looking for a franchise QB and he's on the board when you pick, you should pick him. However, Fitzgerald, Gallery, Roy Williams, Kellen Winslow Jr and Sean Taylor are are all potential franchise blue chip prospects that should go ahead of Rivers. An argument could be made for Udheze, Reggie Williams and Shawn Andrews ahead of Rivers, but I put them at the same level, and if there is not much difference in talent level, I'd go with the QB. The drop off at QB after Rivers I think is the difference between a franchise QB and a crap shoot. I don't like Lossman, he doesn't have that fire and leadership quality you look for in your QB, Pickett ? Schaub ?

TigerJ, I think you could possibly make a RG out of Andrews, imagine Willis and Henry running in the 3 hole between Williams and Andrews. It could be sweet. I'd still take Rivers first, but it would be a tough call and one of the few I wouldn't be too upset to see besides QB.

[Fogwrestler]

Originally posted by admarc

I think you could possibly make a RG out of Andrews, imagine Willis and Henry running in the 3 hole between Williams and Andrews. It could be sweet. I'd still take Rivers first, but it would be a tough call and one of the few I wouldn't be too upset to see besides QB.

There you go ! OL with our First Round Pick would really address a MAJOR need, even if we had to move him to a different slot on the line than his college position.

[Fogwrestler]

Originally posted by admarc
TigerJ, I think you could possibly make a RG out of Andrews, imagine Willis and Henry running in the 3 hole between Williams and Andrews. It could be sweet.

Also, I'm not TigerJ, lol. But it's ok, you're not the first, and you won't be the last.

Appreciate the response to my post :)

[admarc]

Originally posted by Fogwrestler
Also, I'm not TigerJ, lol. But it's ok, you're not the first, and you won't be the last.

Appreciate the response to my post :)

Sorry fogwrestler, it was late and my brain must have been on automatic pilot when I saw Garfield.