Lets Take Rivers With The 13th Pick!

[JayHall93]

I KNOW THAT HIS DRAFT VALUE MAY NOT BE QUITE THAT HIGH, BUT, HE MAY BE THE BEST QB AVAILABLE AS FAR AS NFL READY.


YEAH, I KNOW, WE NEED SOME OL.WR,DE ...


BUT, DO YOU REALLY IN YOUR HEARTS TRUST DREW BLEDSOE???

[Mehser]

Moreso than a rookie QB. Speculation on who/what the Bills should draft is somewhat premature. In today's world of free agency nobody can predict what positions will still be need positions.

I like Rivers and he may end up being a Buffalo Bill. Before QB is addressed, WR, OL, DE, and maybe even TE must be addressed.

[JayHall93]

MEHSER, WHO IN FREE AGENCY AS FAR AS QB DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A GOOD PICKUP? JUST WONDERING>

[Mehser]

Originally posted by jayhall93
MEHSER, WHO IN FREE AGENCY AS FAR AS QB DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A GOOD PICKUP? JUST WONDERING>

In particular at QB? Maybe Bily Volek. But even if the Bills don't take a QB early, there are gems available late (See Brady, Tom). Peyton Manning too, in my dream world. I don't want to knock Rivers and rule him out, I just to be sure that the most critical needs get taken care of first.

And you don't need to yell. :D

[TheAnswer74]

Exactly. Get Rivers at 13, and trade to either move up to late in the 1st or early in the 2nd and get our WR.

[admarc]

I was hoping he might drop, but I really don't want him wearing aqua and orange. We need to draft this kid by any means necessary. It is a very, very deep draft at WR. We can get a good one in the second. The drop off after Rivers is dramatic in my opinion, Lossman does not impress me, and he won't make it to our pick in the second. If we can drop down a few spots and pick up a third, great. There are 3 franchise QB's in this draft, we need to get one of them.

[unklechucky]

Why is everyone pimping Volek, hes had 1 career start, fine he beat us. Seems like people on this board are just grasping at anything.

[BillsCAfan]

Originally posted by unklechucky
Why is everyone pimping Volek, hes had 1 career start, fine he beat us. Seems like people on this board are just grasping at anything.

I commented on this before. Volek has showed promise. He's also a free agent from a team that has to do a lot of house cleaning. We can get him with no draft pick compensation and for a very cheap base salary...so why not? Doesn't mean we can't draft a qb either. If we don't like Volek, you release him and lose nothing, cuz he won't get a big signing bonus, if at all.

[freedomfrypizza]

IMO, teams that are in need of a QB are the following:

Dallas (maybe)
Cleveland (maybe)
Chicago
Oakland
San Diego
Arizona

I highly doubt that Rivers won't be available with our 2nd pick.

[TheAnswer74]

Originally posted by frenchfrypizza
IMO, teams that are in need of a QB are the following:

Dallas (maybe)
Cleveland (maybe)
Chicago
Oakland
San Diego
Arizona

I highly doubt that Rivers won't be available with our 2nd pick.

Rivers will go top 20.

[freedomfrypizza]

Originally posted by TheAnswer74
Rivers will go top 20.

Maybe, maybe not. If so, we should trade down for him and not use our 13th pick for him.

[Hurls]

Originally posted by jayhall93
MEHSER, WHO IN FREE AGENCY AS FAR AS QB DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A GOOD PICKUP? JUST WONDERING>

Take a deep breath, lay off the shift button


:clapper:

[TheAnswer74]

Originally posted by frenchfrypizza
Maybe, maybe not. If so, we should trade down for him and not use our 13th pick for him.

I wouldnt risk it. I would take him and be happy about it. My draft was WR then QB. Now its QB then WR.

Draft RIvers. There shouldnt be any questions about this one. He wins big games. He is a Leader. He can get out of the pocket to avoid the rush. He is smart.

Draft him TD. There is only one other guy I would draft over him and thats Winslow.

I wouldnt trade, I would just take him at 13.

[admarc]

The Bills should rate Manning, Roethlisberger, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Winslow Jr, Robert Gallery, Sean Taylor, Shawn Andrews, Udezi, Reggie Williams and Tommie Harris ahead of Rivers, but that is it. I do expect one of these other guys to drop to the Bills at 13 because of the Running backs and probably at least one cb, but if they are all gone I'd get Rivers. I'd also trade down to as low as 19 and grab him before the Dolphins, picking up a 3rd or 2nd and swaping 3rds, or maybe having to give up a 4.

[wolfpack]

Man if PR goes to miami I may have to take my own life..............................

[swami jr]

Originally posted by frenchfrypizza
IMO, teams that are in need of a QB are the following:

Dallas (maybe)
Cleveland (maybe)
Chicago
Oakland
San Diego
Arizona

I highly doubt that Rivers won't be available with our 2nd pick.


add Miami to that list.

[Mehser]

Originally posted by unklechucky
Why is everyone pimping Volek, hes had 1 career start, fine he beat us. Seems like people on this board are just grasping at anything.


Who pimped him here? I was the only one to mention him, and that was as "maybe Billy Volek". Not one post in this thread is going off the deep end to go after the guy. If we can get him cheap, take him. If he is expensive, forget it.

[TigerJ]

I was impressed with Rivers at the Senior Bowl, but let's not pick him at #13. It's still a reach, and Buffalo seems intent on playing DB next season. Sign a free agent or draft a guy that can be ready to play in '05.

[JayHall93]

Mehser, sorry about the caps dude!

[Psychosis]

Reach or not, do any of you guys seriously want to play Miami w/ Rivers under center? This guy has the chance to be good. I don't want Miami to snatch him. Marino and company are said to be in love with him and there's a strong possibility they'll grab him at 20. I wouldn't risk it. When you've got a team drooling over your pontential 2nd round pick, I would snatch him before they could. Last year, TD snatched Mcgahee. Was he a need in the 1st round? No, but it all worked out fine because we got our man Kelsay in the 2nd round. It was the said the raiders would have snatched Mcgahee if not Buffalo. If you saw the Senior Bowl, you noticed Rivers has a better arm than he was given credit for. I don't know about you guys, but that "poor" delivery of his enables him to gun that ball to the receiver. Aside from being smart and accurate, it had a part in his low interception total. I wanted Michael Jenkins in the 1st, but I'd rather have Rivers over him. There's a possibility Jenkins will be available in the 2nd round after his decent senior bowl performance.

[cobra commander]

I would just take him at 13.


GO BILLS>>>>>>>>>>>>>2004

[Bills Addict]

Rivers played off the charts in the Senior Bowl. His performance tonight could make him a mid-1st round pick. The Bills need to grab him at #13 because San Francisco picks at #16 and with all the Jeff Garcia drama going on I wouldn't be shocked if they made a move for Rivers if he sticks around till they pick. The Bills could address their DL by picking up Grant Wistrom from the Rams in free agency.

The Bills could then get their speed WR in the second round, Derrick Hamilton from Clemson who runs a 4.45/40 or Lee Evans from Wisconsin who run a 4.33/40.

[Sparx]

sorry guys, Rivers will be a dolphin.

[Napalm]

Originally posted by mr.sparkle
sorry guys, Rivers will be a dolphin.

I have a BAD feeling that he's right

[IamDrewBledsoe]

I agree I'm sold on him let's take him #13!!!!!!:shy:

[Hurls]

Originally posted by IamDrewBledsoe
I agree I'm sold on him let's take him #13!!!!!!

This coming from Drew Bledsoe himself

[zevo]

u guys are getting crazy! Phillip is not worth 13th pick. Besides Losman is better. Relax all it was one freaking senior bowl where.

[nukedawg]

It's not just one senior bowl. It's 4-0 bowl games as well. It's a 170 QB rating. The only thing wrong with him is his throwing motion. Mel Kiper calls him a Bernie Kosar with mobility. Hell, I would love a Kosar with legs. Beats the statue we have now.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by mr.sparkle
sorry guys, Rivers will be a dolphin.



Hope not. I Hope we take him away from the Dolphins and leave Marino crying in the war room.

[twoods]

I have never even seen this guy play and I want him. I think its so funny how people talk about his release as a drawback it appears to be working pretty well for him. I think Drew should, and will, start this year and I know we need a receiver (among other things) but IMO Drew's days are numbered, not as much due to his age as his lack of versatility/mobility. I also feel that competition within the team is a really good thing. I'm not one to advocate starting a QB controversy just for the heck of it, but its not like Drew won't be expecting some changes in the QB personnel this year. Rivers is big, smart, he's got great leadership skills and he's the son of a coach. (sounds like someone else we know) and I mean that in a good way! If now isn't the time to draft a QB when is the time? Just my opinion...

[Range Roamer]

Originally posted by admarc
The Bills should rate Manning, Roethlisberger, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Winslow Jr, Robert Gallery, Sean Taylor, Shawn Andrews, Udezi, Reggie Williams and Tommie Harris ahead of Rivers, but that is it. I do expect one of these other guys to drop to the Bills at 13 because of the Running backs and probably at least one cb, but if they are all gone I'd get Rivers. I'd also trade down to as low as 19 and grab him before the Dolphins, picking up a 3rd or 2nd and swaping 3rds, or maybe having to give up a 4. I like how you rated the players in order of their draft value. My only concern about dropping down to nineteen is that Miami will move up to eighteen.

[JayHall93]

If his draft value keeps increasing, the Bills would have to nab him at 13. Of course, we could also trade down and gain some extra picks and take a developmental QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[Sparx]

buffalo has more pressing issues. you have bledsoe, you're not getting a qb in the first round.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by mr.sparkle
buffalo has more pressing issues. you have bledsoe, you're not getting a qb in the first round.


You don't know TD...

[Fogwrestler]

I'm still not clear on this guy - I haven't seen him play, but wasn't he the one who supposedly throws sidearmed or low so that in the Pros the gargantuan, and astonishingly quick defensive linemen will knock down or bat away all his passes? He will have to run for his life on every throw just to find a clear lane to throw in because he throws low?

Is this a mis-conception ?

[JayHall93]

Yes, because his throwing motion will allow him to avoid the D-Line. They jump up not sideways. His point of release will allow him to make more throws than most.

[BuffaloRanger]

If we drafted a QB in the first that would be 2 straight drafts in which the #1 pick didn't help the Bills. Is miami playing head games with us?

Here's an idea. Fix the pourous O-line! That will help Drew or anyone else that plays QB this year and next.

I hope a team really wants Rivers bad enough to trade up.

The Bills could trade down into the 20's and pick up...

OG/OT Vernon Carey - Miami
C Jaker Grove - VT

either would be a great improvement, helping pass protection, and the RUN - which most everyone wants to focus on this year.

Or we could stay at 13 and maybe get DE Kenechi Udeze - USC.

[BuffaloRanger]

Originally posted by jayhall93
Yes, because his throwing motion will allow him to avoid the D-Line. They jump up not sideways. His point of release will allow him to make more throws than most.

What? The pass is still starting lower. That basically makes him into a 5' 9'' QB who would get alot of passes blocked.

But really, a good QB coach could work on his mechanics. It's what in the head that counts. He seems very strong there. He'll probably be a good (or better) NFL QB, but the Bills need to quit stockpiling for the future and draft a player that will help right away in the 1st round.

I don't want a rookie QB, rookie OC, and a rookie HC going into next season. That my friend's is another 6-10 rebuilding year.

[finsrclowns]

Originally posted by BuffaloRanger
If we drafted a QB in the first that would be 2 straight drafts in which the #1 pick didn't help the Bills. Is miami playing head games with us?

Here's an idea. Fix the pourous O-line! That will help Drew or anyone else that plays QB this year and next.

I hope a team really wants Rivers bad enough to trade up.

The Bills could trade down into the 20's and pick up...

OG/OT Vernon Carey - Miami
C Jaker Grove - VT

either would be a great improvement, helping pass protection, and the RUN - which most everyone wants to focus on this year.

Or we could stay at 13 and maybe get DE Kenechi Udeze - USC.

Ranger you keep forgetting; the line is fine!

[Fogwrestler]

Originally posted by jayhall93
Yes, because his throwing motion will allow him to avoid the D-Line. They jump up not sideways. His point of release will allow him to make more throws than most.

OK - I'm still open to becoming a believer, but Flutie was the exact same thing, plus he was the world's greatest super-scrambler, heart of a lion type guy, is it like that with this guy? And if it is, will we just end up with another Flutie-type crisis at QB? Or is it actually different in some way?

[Mouldsie]

He's 6' 5'' -his side-arm is like Vick's, McNabb's, Garcia's, Pennington's, Gannon's etc regular throw! lol


I don't think I'd use 13 on him though.

[cobra commander]

Even with Flutie and A less talented team we went 10-6, Should tell you something about Bledsoe,

NO WAY We can pass up a Big tall scrambling QB, NO WAY.

We got to draft one of these 3 Guys

Take Rivers With The 13th Pick.

[Fogwrestler]

So he's like a 6 foot 5 inch tall Flutie who throws sidearm and we'd be crazy not to take him at the earliest opportunity?

[Mouldsie]

He is not a Flutie. I don't even know what that means. He runs a 5.0 40..... He has something called POCKET AWARENESS, and a QUICK RELEASE that makes him seem like fast player.

[Fogwrestler]

Flutie had outstanding pocket awareness and quick release


Still waiting to hear how he's different, although his height is certainly different

[Bufsabresnu]

Rivers is going to be a great NFL QB. He has an unorthodox throwing style, but has tremendous arm strength and is very smart. If we don't get him with the 13th pick, and he is someone that we want, we will make a HUGE mistake. Miami is drooling all over him at 20 and we need to keep him away from our rival. Bringing in Rivers, garauntees one thing, that if Drew starts to fail again this year, we will have somebody capable enough to come in. This will help Drew in the long run.

[McD]

I remember when I wanted the Bills to find a way to get Ryan Leaf, ahead of Manning no less. Go with FA to secure a decent young QB, draft both lines and WR.

McD

[Damyankee]

Yesterday on the Dan Patrick Show, Kiper said Rivers could end up going to Pittsburg @ 11. He's is very high on Rivers. French Chicago doesn't need a QB. They drafted Grossman last year. There is no way rivers will be available past Miami (did you forget they need a QB too?). I say draft him if he is there at 13. The kid is big strong and a four year starter at a competitive D1 college. Hell he beat FSU twice! As far as Voltek, can you say Rob Johnson? (I knew you could). The big wild card is what happens with Drew Henson. What do you think Billswhaco?

[Damyankee]

Don't worry about the O-line. There poor performance last year was a result of bad coaching. Mcnally will fix that. does anyone remember the events that got us Bledsoe in the first place? The Bills were all set to let Ramsey fall to them @ the begining of the second round, and what happened?

[bad radio]

Originally posted by mr.sparkle
buffalo has more pressing issues. you have bledsoe, you're not getting a qb in the first round.

We also had more pressing issues when we took McGahee.

[JayHall93]

This is a perfect postition for the BILLS. First, they have an opportunity to draft a young QB, and groom him. There would be no need to start Rivers, unless Bledsoe completely sucked. This is an opportunity to grab a great player. Who knows when we'll get another shot at this caliber of a QB in the draft.

[Fogwrestler]

Check out The Rest of the NFL Forum, thread called Mel Kiper's Mock Draft - for what it's worth, it shows no team taking Rivers in the First Round at all...

[Sparx]

Originally posted by Fogwrestler
Check out The Rest of the NFL Forum, thread called Mel Kiper's Mock Draft - for what it's worth, it shows no team taking Rivers in the First Round at all...

that is because mel kipers is retarded. but even he realized how good rivers was after the game last week. you guys won't get a qb with your first rounder, you wont!! just accept it. you have a guy named drew bledsoe and an offense that was top notch two years ago when you had someone to compliment moulds. that makes me think buffalo will try to get someonel like roy williams or reggie williams.....

[35Pete]

Why are we so hyper about taking a QB first? The idea is absurd. Draft a stud DE or WR instead. Get a QB in the later rounds. 1st round QB's have a high bust percentage.

[35Pete]

I find it amusing that so many people on this site are ready to blow their wad over the idea of drafting a QB in the 1st round. Very amusing indeed.

[35Pete]

Everyone seems to agree that Drew is washed up. I disagree.
Get a QB in the 3rd and groom him. This is the best way to go.

[coastal]

Originally posted by jayhall93
This is a perfect postition for the BILLS. First, they have an opportunity to draft a young QB, and groom him. There would be no need to start Rivers, unless Bledsoe completely sucked.

Bledsoe does completely suck! Draft the man. Cut Bledsoe and bring in a Neil Odonell type to tutor the guy. A rookie at quarterback isn't going to be any worse than Bledsoe.

Do you guys have memory problems or something. Bledsoe looked like a douchebag.

[admarc]

For what its worth Kiper now ranks Rivers #8 overall. He would not be a stretch at #13. He is definitely going in the 1st round, so if TD wants him, he needs to get him at 13, unless someone actually takes him before 13.

[Bills Addict]

The Sporting News Draft Central mock draft has the Dolphins taking Rivers with the #20 pick in the first round. The Bills must do whatever it takes to not let Rivers go to our division rivals.

[Mehser]

The Bills need to worry about who they are going to take and can't worry about who other teams are looking at.