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Blue_Bandana
November 28th, 2003, 10:49:01 AM
Nov. 28, 2003. 01:00 AM

What if cousins Carter and McGrady had stayed together? Talented, but they're on mediocre teams, says Doug Smith


ORLANDO, Fla.—For every choice we make, no matter how well thought out it may be, no matter how logical it seems, there will be consequences to bear. Results that sometimes cannot be foretold, results that make that original decision seem wrong in retrospect.

And that makes you wonder if, when Tracy McGrady meets Vince Carter at midcourt here tonight, when they tap fists and hug and share a few words, the NBA superstars won't be experiencing just a twinge of regret.

For when the cousins square off tonight, in the 12th meeting between McGrady's Orlando Magic and Carter's Toronto Raptors since the Dynamic Duo was broken up, they represent two great young players entering the prime of their careers.

But they will also represent the best players on mediocre teams and neither ever wanted that.

For as good as they are — and the debate can rage for hours over who is better but anyone who knows anything about basketball has to agree both are great — neither has really accomplished anything.

Carter has been on a team that's won precisely one playoff series; McGrady has won an NBA scoring title and was the league's most improved player one year but he's never got past the first round of the playoffs. They are great players with less-than-great team resumés.

And that may be the reason for the regret.

Had they stayed together, had McGrady not hated the Toronto winters, hated the Carter shadow in which he operated and longed for the life back in his hometown, there is no telling what they could have accomplished. There is every reason to think they may have played for at least one NBA championship, certainly they would have been serious contenders in the weak Eastern Conference.

And they would certainly not be what they are today, a couple of great players whose teams will be life and death just to make the playoffs.

And, perhaps, they wouldn't have suffered the slings and arrows and injuries and injustices that have dogged each at different times.

The two stars, Carter 26 years old and in his fifth NBA season, McGrady a tender 24 but in his seventh season, have been through more turmoil and strife than certainly they thought possible way back when they used to stand shoulder-to-shoulder in the Raptor locker room, a pair of franchise cornerstones who were going to take Toronto to untold heights.

Their career paths have been divergent, yet the same in many ways.

McGrady finds himself today right where his cousin was just a couple of years ago.

There are niggling injuries (his back pain is chronic) and he is being criticized like never before.

People wonder if he had a hand in the firing of coach Doc Rivers earlier this month (a charge McGrady vehemently denies) and people wonder why he's all of a sudden worried about being the focal point of the franchise when that's what he apparently wanted all along.

He's complained about zone defences stifling his creativity and blasted teammates for not doing their share and he pines for the injured Grant Hill. He's threatened to quit, to go play baseball if you can believe that, because the game is not fun. He has not conducted himself in the calm, cool, T-Mac manner fans are accustomed to seeing and he's hearing more critics than ever before.

His team is horrible, riding a 14-game losing streak into tonight and no longer is he being touted as a Most Valuable Player candidate. His star has fallen, dramatically.

And in Toronto, you can imagine Carter chuckling to himself, if he were at all vindictive.

Carter has been there, done that and has the scars to prove it.

The guy who carried the United States to an Olympic gold medal, who thrilled fans enough they've made him the most popular player in all-star balloting for each of the last three years is finally getting back to his place in the game.

It's been a long journey — how many of you Raptor fans wanted him traded 18 months ago? — but one that's come full circle. Of course, he's one tweaked knee tendon away from being another injury-prone under-achiever but his ability to stay true to his goal through all the injuries and criticism surely has to speak to an inner strength many of wondered if he had.

He is back, maybe not to the level McGrady has been for the last couple of years. But there is a sense among basketball people that the future is brighter now, for his team and for himself, in Carter's case rather than McGrady's.

Together, they could have been great. Separately, each has known the heights of fame and the lows of infamy. They have somehow wound up in the same place, the best players on questionable teams but you know neither can be fully satisfied. And you expect both are wondering.

What if?

manuel
November 28th, 2003, 11:53:18 AM
It would have been good. To bad Tracy is wanted to be the only go to guy and that is why he left.

thegame
November 28th, 2003, 12:50:38 PM
It would have been nice. Toronto would have had a shot to maybe challange a good western team, especially if they kept Antonio Davis too. Now, both teams are poor and Orlando is the worst team in the league.

manuel
November 28th, 2003, 1:36:28 PM
Davis is stil with the raps, at least for now.

BanditsRock11
November 28th, 2003, 7:06:34 PM
Theyd be really good if they were together on a team except toronto. They were pretty good in toronto, but if it were to happen now, i dunno it would'nt be right, Toronto isn't NBA. If they get anyone like that they should get Steve Nash, since he IS CANADA. I think theyd be a nice fit on a team like Utah, or LA Clippers. Just my opinion.

manuel
November 28th, 2003, 8:17:57 PM
and a stupid opinion since last year dispite a awful season from the raps had the 5th best attendence in the league. TORONTO is more of an NBA city then what you think and a better NBA CITY THEN 65% OT THE CITIES THAT HAVE TEAMS.

Blue_Bandana
November 28th, 2003, 11:20:38 PM
Originally posted by NewDrew4u
Theyd be really good if they were together on a team except toronto. They were pretty good in toronto, but if it were to happen now, i dunno it would'nt be right, Toronto isn't NBA. If they get anyone like that they should get Steve Nash, since he IS CANADA. I think theyd be a nice fit on a team like Utah, or LA Clippers. Just my opinion.

What do you mean Toronto isn't NBA. Toronto had a team in profession basketball before most U.S. cities in the NBA had a basketball team.

Blue_Bandana
November 28th, 2003, 11:47:43 PM
Newdrew4u

James Naismith a Canadian, invented the game of basketball and the Toronto Huskies played in the American Basketball Association which preceded the NBA. Even Buffalo had a professional team before most of the current NBA cities had a team. The difference is that the game grew in the U.S., were most Canadian kids at the same time focused on hockey.


Basketball History

James Naismith, a Canadian, invented the modern basketball in 1891, while working at the Y.M.C.A. College at Springfield, Massachusetts and 18 students play 1st college basketball game (Springfield College). Triangle magazine in Springfield, MA published the rules for basketball in 1892. The first official basketball game was played by students at the Springfield, MA YMCA Training School. The University of Chicago played its first college basketball game, defeating the Chicago YMCA Training School 19-11, in 1894.

The first college basketball game was played in 1895, as Minnesota State School of Agriculture defeated the Porkers of Hamline College, 9-3. The first five-player college basketball game was played in 1896, at Iowa City, Iowa. The University of Chicago defeated the University of Iowa by the score of 15-12. Intercollegiate basketball was played for the first time as Wesleyan University defeated Yale, 4-3, in New Haven, Connecticut.

Basketball is introduced to the 1936 Olympic Games by the Berlin Organization Committee. 1st Men's College Basketball Championship was in 1939 : University of Oregon beats Ohio State 46-33. The first televised college basketball games were broadcast in 1940, by New York City station W2XBS, as Pittsburgh defeated Fordham, 57-to-37, and New York University beat Georgetown, 50-to-27, at Madison Square Garden.

The Basketball Association of America (BAA) is comprised of 11 teams in two divisions: Boston Celtics, Chicago Stags, Cleveland Rebels, Detroit Falcons, New York Knickerbockers,
Philadelphia Warriors, Pittsburgh Ironmen, Providence Steamrollers, St Louis Bombers, Toronto and Washington Capitols in 1946.


Baltimore Bullets join the BAA in 1947, but four teams drop out: Cleveland Rebels, Detroit Falcons, Pittsburgh Ironmen and Toronto Huskies (8-teams, 2 divisions). In 1948, four teams from the more established National Basketball League (NBL) are added to the BAA: Ft Wayne Pistons, Indianapolis Jets, Minneapolis Lakers and Rochester Royals (12-teams, 2 divisions).


The National Basketball Association was formed in 1949. It was a combination of the Basketball Association of America and the National Basketball League. The six remaining NBL franchises—Anderson (IN) Packers, Denver Nuggets, Indianapolis Olympians, Sheboygan (WI) Redskins, Syracuse Nationals, Tri-Cities Blackhawks and Waterloo (IA) Hawks—join along with the new Indianapolis Olympians; the BAA becomes the National Basketball Association; Providence Steamrollers and Indianapolis Jets drop out (17-teams, 3 divisions).


Six teams drop out in 1950: Anderson Packers, Chicago Stags, Denver Nuggets, Sheboygan Redskins, St Louis Bombers and Waterloo Hawks (11 teams, 2 divisions) 1951 Tri-Cities Blackhawks, who divided home games between Moline and Rock Island (IL), and
Davenport (IA) move to Milwaukee and become the Hawks. Washington Capitols disband before end of 1950-51 season (10 teams, 2 divisions). Indianapolis Olympians drop out in 1953 (9 teams, 2 divisions). Baltimore Bullets drop out in 1954 (8 teams, 2 divisions).
NBA adopts the 24-second shot clock & 6 team-foul rule.


Milwaukee Hawks move to St Louis in 1955, and in 1957 Ft Wayne Pistons move to Detroit, while Rochester Royals move to Cincinnati. In 1960, Minneapolis Lakers move to Los Angeles. In 1961, Chicago Packers join the NBA as an expansion team (9 teams, 2 divisions). American Basketball League starts play.


In 1962, Chicago Packers renamed Zephyrs; Philadelphia Warriors move to San Francisco. In 1963, Chicago Zephyrs move to Baltimore and become Bullets; Syracuse Nationals move to
Philadelphia and become 76ers. Chicago Bulls join league as an expansion team in 1966 (10 teams, 2 divisions).


The American Basketball Association is formed in 1967. San Diego Rockets and Seattle SuperSonics join league as an expansion teams (12 teams, 2 divisions). In 1968, Milwaukee Bucks and Phoenix Suns join league as an expansion teams (14 teams, 2 divisions). St Louis Hawks move to Atlanta. 1st ABA basketball championship began.

Buffalo Braves, Cleveland Cavaliers and Portland Trail Blazers join league as an expansion teams in 1970 (17 teams, 4 divisions). In 1971, San Diego Rockets move to Houston and San Francisco Warriors move to Oakland and become Golden State Warriors. The National Basketball Association modified its four-year eligibility rule to allow for college basketball hardship cases.

Cincinnati Royals move to The Midwest, divide home games between Kansas City (MO) and
Omaha (NE), and become Kings in 1972. Baltimore Bullets move to Landover (MD) and become Capital Bullets in 1973. In 1974, New Orleans Jazz join league as an expansion team (18 teams, 4 divisions) and Capital Bullets renamed Washington Bullets. KC-Omaha Kings settle in Kansas City in 1975.


In 1976, four teams from the ABA merge with the NBA: Denver Nuggets, Indiana Pacers, New York Nets and San Antonio Spurs (22 teams, 4 divisions). Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is named NBA MVP. 9th & final ABA championship: NY Nets beat Denver Nuggets, 4 games to 2. NBA & ABA agree to merge.

New York Nets move from Uniondale (NY) to Piscataway (NJ) (later East Rutherford) and become New Jersey Nets in 1977. Buffalo Braves move to San Diego and become Clippers in 1978. First 6 teams of Women's Pro Basketball League (WBL) granted-IA, NJ, Milwaukee, Chicago, Minnesota & Dayton.

In 1979, New Orleans Jazz move to Salt Lake City and become Utah Jazz. Dallas Mavericks join the NBA as an expansion team in 1980 (23 teams, 4 divisions). San Diego Clippers move to Los Angeles in 1984. Kansas City Kings move to Sacramento in 1985.

In 1986 NCAA adopts 3-point college basketball rule and National Federation of High School adopts college 3 point shot (21 feet) in 1987. Charlotte Hornets and Miami Heat join the NBA as an expansion teams in 1988 (25 teams, 4 divisions).


In 1989 Minnesota Timberwolves and Orlando Magic join the NBA as an expansion teams (27 teams, 4 divisions). Toronto Raptors and Vancouver Grizzlies join the NBA as an expansion teams in 1995 (29 teams, 4 divisions). Washington Bullets become Washington Wizards in 1997.