Flutie wins!! Flutie wins!! Flutie wins!!

[JMech]

2 TD runs

2 TD passes

21-29, 248 yards, no int's

San Diego 42 Minnesota 28

There you have it. The guy wins. Pure guts and determination.
This is the same guy that saved the Bills....kept them in bloody Buffalo. Not sure why he put so much effort into it because since that time it seems that a majority of Bills fans hate him...Why??? Just one question.

The same guy that put the Bills into SuperBowl contention and would have had them there had it not been for the owner decideing to strong arm the coaching staff that knew better. Buffalo does not want to face it, but that Tennessee game would not have been close enough for them to get back in it. We will never know, but WE all know NOW who the better choice would have been.....Flutie over RJ.

AND we know who the cancer in the locker room was.....it was RJ, the same problem he was in TB, Washington, and wherever he goes.

Why, why does Buffalo dislike a wonderful guy that played his guts out for the team....was fun to watch....enjoyed playing the game.....and was good for the community. You would think that the latter would appeal to the Bills community...however, even there he just failed to win you over.

You did not deserve him. He was a wonderful player and a wonderful person.

Glad to see him enjoy himself today and win over Minnesota. I watched the game on split screen while watching the Bills and the Cowboys. Flutie is a true football player, a guy that just enjoys playing football and will give you everything that he can.............Which is exactly what he gave the Bills.

Doug.............get after them again.

To the Flutie haters......:sukrpnch:

[The Chosen]

Originally posted by JMech
2 TD runs

2 TD passes

21-29, 248 yards, no int's

San Diego 42 Minnesota 28

Flutie is a true football player, a guy that just enjoys playing football and will give you everything that he can.............Which is exactly what he gave the Bills.

Doug.............get after them again.

To the Flutie haters......:sukrpnch:

You know, that is something I can't recall ever seeing from Drew. To me he doesn't have the heart to win that Doug Flutie does. When was the last time Bledsoe put this team on his shoulders?

[kfman87]

Flutie rose to the occasion and won. This guy is great for his age.

[cobra commander]

2 TD runs

2 TD passes

21-29, 248 yards, no int's

San Diego 42 Minnesota 28 If Bledsoe had Flutie's heart we would be heading for the superbowl.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by JMech
2 TD runs

2 TD passes

21-29, 248 yards, no int's

San Diego 42 Minnesota 28

There you have it. The guy wins. Pure guts and determination.
This is the same guy that saved the Bills....kept them in bloody Buffalo. Not sure why he put so much effort into it because since that time it seems that a majority of Bills fans hate him...Why??? Just one question.

The same guy that put the Bills into SuperBowl contention and would have had them there had it not been for the owner decideing to strong arm the coaching staff that knew better. Buffalo does not want to face it, but that Tennessee game would not have been close enough for them to get back in it. We will never know, but WE all know NOW who the better choice would have been.....Flutie over RJ.

AND we know who the cancer in the locker room was.....it was RJ, the same problem he was in TB, Washington, and wherever he goes.

Why, why does Buffalo dislike a wonderful guy that played his guts out for the team....was fun to watch....enjoyed playing the game.....and was good for the community. You would think that the latter would appeal to the Bills community...however, even there he just failed to win you over.

You did not deserve him. He was a wonderful player and a wonderful person.

Glad to see him enjoy himself today and win over Minnesota. I watched the game on split screen while watching the Bills and the Cowboys. Flutie is a true football player, a guy that just enjoys playing football and will give you everything that he can.............Which is exactly what he gave the Bills.

Doug.............get after them again.

To the Flutie haters......:sukrpnch:


He played a good game against an average defense, but please don't stretch the truth. He was not a "great" guy. He' an arrogant a-hole who only cares about himself most of the time. And you're calling rj the true cancer? Since when have there been reports of rj backstabbing and talking behind the back of the others qb's on the team's he's been with? You must be confusing him with flutie. He has a history of causing trouble with other clubs. He can salvage this win all he wants, but let's see how he does against a better defense.

[mighty peace warrior]

this is why i hate him...he has been gone 3 years and you people still dwell on him.

[CookieG]

We should always dwell on him because if not for Flutie Buffalo might not have an NFL franchise and how many of you would be following the L.A. Bills?

[Psychosis]

I would still follow them. People came to the stadium because the team was winning and flutie was just along for the ride with the defense carrying the team in most of the games. Flutie did not save this franchise all by himself. It wasn't because they just wanted to see a midget running around like he was in the circus.

[bosshogg21]

macleod, you are an angry and pessimistic person. the only thing you could come up with on fluties great day is that it was an average defense. just so you know that same defense is near the tops in the nfl for takeaways in which they did not get any from flutie.

i'd also like to mention that i was at every home game during the season we almost lost the bills. i heard more flutie chants and saw more boxes of flutie flakes than anything else. all the guy did was put wins up in the standings and people in the stands. he was definitely if not all, a major reason for a team still existing in buffalo. i was there...i saw it with my own eyes. yes we had a great defense, one of the greatest, but tell me who we had on offense.
.....the little field general.

[wire]

Wow
I must say Flutie is one surprising fellow , all the RJ fans out there , I dont know how you can still justify your liking for RJ and your haterid of Flutie , I agree with Bosshog , I remeber i traveled from Western Cdn to Buffalo for a Bills vs Steelers game to see if Flutie was for real and he played like he did in the CFL , but a much smaller field . I , back then didnt like Flutie niether until that game . I think he rushed for like 50 0r 60 yards , and threw to Moulds all day long , the bills won the game easy vs a very good Steelers D .

[RockStar36]

Wait a second here, if Flutie played in the Tennessee game they would've blown them out? You have to be kidding. Flutie had his chance in the playoffs, and between getting the ball batted down at the line of scrimage and fumbling the ball near the goaline with seconds to go in the game, down by 7, he lost the damn game. How the hell can you blame RJ for the Tennessee loss?? WAKE UP! He won the damn game, and the special teams lost it. Ridiculous.....

[JMech]

Originally posted by MacLeod
I would still follow them. People came to the stadium because the team was winning and flutie was just along for the ride with the defense carrying the team in most of the games. Flutie did not save this franchise all by himself. It wasn't because they just wanted to see a midget running around like he was in the circus.

This is exactly what I was talking about. You really need some therapy. You seem to be in disagreement with the masses. Ask yourself why...

[JMech]

Originally posted by billsfan4life2003
Wait a second here, if Flutie played in the Tennessee game they would've blown them out? You have to be kidding. Flutie had his chance in the playoffs, and between getting the ball batted down at the line of scrimage and fumbling the ball near the goaline with seconds to go in the game, down by 7, he lost the damn game. How the hell can you blame RJ for the Tennessee loss?? WAKE UP! He won the damn game, and the special teams lost it. Ridiculous.....

And you need to go back and review your history. Your recollection is interesting if not inaccurate. You are another one...your hathred is not understandable. Give the guy his credit and move on.

[StraightJ]

Flutie is a legend. It's that simple. I need not say more.
J

[shiva2999]

Doug Flutie: 10x the qb Rob was and 10x the man.

[swami jr]

glad you guys are so happy. im not.

if flutie played the bills, who would you be happier for if they won?

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by bosshogg21
macleod, you are an angry and pessimistic person. the only thing you could come up with on fluties great day is that it was an average defense. just so you know that same defense is near the tops in the nfl for takeaways in which they did not get any from flutie.

i'd also like to mention that i was at every home game during the season we almost lost the bills. i heard more flutie chants and saw more boxes of flutie flakes than anything else. all the guy did was put wins up in the standings and people in the stands. he was definitely if not all, a major reason for a team still existing in buffalo. i was there...i saw it with my own eyes. yes we had a great defense, one of the greatest, but tell me who we had on offense.
.....the little field general.


Sure i'm angry at how the elf gets all the credit and that defense gets very little. Flutie's great day? I'm sorry I didn't know we were all in celebration. I guess his win was his version of the cfl championship. The vikings were already in a losing streak and everyone was saying their defense is the same old one, except they had a defensive coordinator who could temporarily cover up its holes.

Hey I liked the guy when he was here. It wasn't until his fiasco that I got off the blinders and saw his true colors. See there you go with "all he did was put wins in the standings"-That's the kind of crap that makes you want to roll your eyes. I could get any circus midget to run around like a chicken with its head cut off and have them throw the ball up in the air for someone to catch it and that's doug flutie. He's nothing special, or magical.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by JMech
This is exactly what I was talking about. You really need some therapy. You seem to be in disagreement with the masses. Ask yourself why...



I stopped going the circus many years ago, I don't need therapy. I'm sorry I don't agree with the masses, but i'm not blinded by a box of cereal with a circus midget on it.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by StraightJ
Flutie is a legend. It's that simple. I need not say more.
J


Maybe in Canada, but he's no legend in the nfl.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by shiva2999
Doug Flutie: 10x the qb Rob was and 10x the man.


Sure I could name men 10x the producer and 10x the man you are, but that doesn't mean i'm right. It's made up in your mind,shiva.

[hopy]

If any one thinks that the tiny tot could win on a weekly basis should have their head examined. One game and he is the second coming, I guess that Bledsoe would be in the Pro Bowl if you only looked at his first 2 games. One week and the other teams will start game planning against the fairy princess and his pretty little jump pass that you all love so much. The only thing the guy does bring is he is a great open field runner, why not run the option if any one could be hard to find in the back field its little Dougy! Bledsoe has been horrible and if his play doesn't improve a QB in the first round of the draft is a must!

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by hopy
If any one thinks that the tiny tot could win on a weekly basis should have their head examined. One game and he is the second coming, I guess that Bledsoe would be in the Pro Bowl if you only looked at his first 2 games. One week and the other teams will start game planning against the fairy princess and his pretty little jump pass that you all love so much. The only thing the guy does bring is he is a great open field runner, why not run the option if any one could be hard to find in the back field its little Dougy! Bledsoe has been horrible and if his play doesn't improve a QB in the first round of the draft is a must!


Bless you hopy!

[bosshogg21]

Originally posted by billsfan4life2003
Wait a second here, if Flutie played in the Tennessee game they would've blown them out? You have to be kidding. Flutie had his chance in the playoffs, and between getting the ball batted down at the line of scrimage and fumbling the ball near the goaline with seconds to go in the game, down by 7, he lost the damn game. How the hell can you blame RJ for the Tennessee loss?? WAKE UP! He won the damn game, and the special teams lost it. Ridiculous.....



no one knows what would have happened if flutie played that game. we just know that after leading our team to good record of 10 - 5, he was mysteriously pulled for rob johnson the last game of the season vs. the colts, and later the titans game. the only excuse the coach's could come up with was his stats weren't respectable enough.


also flutie did not fumble on the goaline in the last seconds of the dolphin playoff game. he was sacked on 4th down on the 5 yard line by trace armstrong. could've happened to anybody. the way i remember it, flutie played a hell of a game, hit moulds all day long. it was that great defense that let us down in that one.

[mighty peace warrior]

you guys are pathetic...he is gone...accept it and move on.

The guy played for the Bills for 3 years, that is it. Hey guess what he has been gone that long too. The year after he left he went 1-15, but you dont blame him for that....perhaps you choose to gloss that over after his one good game. He didnt "save"anything. He renewed some interest at a crucial junction but he was never the whole team, which happened to be good while he was here. The Bills had a good D, and Antowan Smith had a good year one of those seasons.

You people who give the QB all of the credit or all of the blame know less about football than my 3 year old (she screamed "run travis run" all day Sunday). Flutie is gone so is R. Johnson WHO THE HELL CARES. Some of you are the same people who wanted Frank Reich over Jim Kelly after he made his playoff run. stupid thread after stupid thread.

Everytime i read one of these threads debating the merits of those two losers i get embaressed that i root for a team with a bunch of people who are so obsessed about something so stupid.

[shiva2999]

Originally posted by mighty peace warrior
The year after he left he went 1-15, but you dont blame him for that....perhaps you choose to gloss that over after his one good game.


Huh?

The year after he left, he was 5 - 11.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by shiva2999
Huh?

The year after he left, he was 5 - 11.


Yes 5-11 is a winning record! All he does is win!

[mighty peace warrior]

my mistake 5-11 1-15 who cares they sucked, and he plays for the Chargers

[StraightJ]

Originally posted by mighty peace warrior
my mistake 5-11 1-15 who cares they sucked, and he plays for the Chargers

They sucked, but it doesnt necessarily mean he did. He seemed to play pretty well for us when he was here...
J

[mighty peace warrior]

so when they win its because of him. suck and its not neccisarily him?

He had plenty of crappy games here the bills would win because of the Defense primarily and we ran the ball a lot.

[BogusTrumper]

http://i.cnn.net/si/2003/fantasy/11/10/sundays.best.10/p1_flutie_all.jpg

[Psychosis]

Wasn't he in the movie little giants?

[BogusTrumper]

You and my lamo 71 year old father. He asked me that Sunday during my weekly let's-interrupt-Bogus-during-the-most-important-three-hours-of-the-week phone call (KC game was the most brutal).

So, Buffdaddy, have you had that baby yet?

[Psychosis]

Yep.

[BogusTrumper]

Why didn't you say anything? Congratulations. Give us the details.

[JMech]

The entire object of the thread was to simply give the guy some credit for being a hell of a football player. Nothing more, nothing less. No I was not saying bring him back, no he will not now be able to lead the Chargers to the promised land...........but it is neat to see the intense hathred that some of the Bills fans show him.

That is not warranted. He was not a problem in the locker room, and he was a wonderful leader. But many of the "fans" won't recognize that. That is a sign of severe underlying problems.

To those of you that recognize him for what he was....thanks. To the others.....you need help.

Over and out!

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by JMech
The entire object of the thread was to simply give the guy some credit for being a hell of a football player. Nothing more, nothing less. No I was not saying bring him back, no he will not now be able to lead the Chargers to the promised land...........but it is neat to see the intense hathred that some of the Bills fans show him.

That is not warranted. He was not a problem in the locker room, and he was a wonderful leader. But many of the "fans" won't recognize that. That is a sign of severe underlying problems.

To those of you that recognize him for what he was....thanks. To the others.....you need help.

Over and out!



Sure thing Jmech. You can make him sound like he's the victim all you want. The fact of the matter is he was the problem in the lockeroom because little circus midget couldn't keep his mouth shut for being benched. Of course RJ didn't do such a good job of bottling up his emotions either by firing back through the media. Rob called him out on national tv and all the midget did was deny it. Of course I don't blame flutie for being mad about getting benched after helping the team get to 11-5, but he should have dealt with it through managment and not through the media in the first place. As far as rob is concerned, could you blame him either for getting mad when here is this demoralized elf trying to sabotage your job and turn everyone against you? I would be livid! This lead to the division of the lockeroom. I'm wondering why is this so hard to understand? It's been reported everywhere when it happeend. Flutie had these type of problems with other teams in their lockeroom. His attitude was a problem. I can understand a poster like shiva not believing any of this because it would break his tiny little heart coming to grips with the truth about his hero, but c'mon this is true. I can live with the fact that Rob is not a good qb at this point in his career. At least I can understand and admit that. Who knows maybe years from now he'll live up to his potential. I'll take my dose of reality without blinders thanks.

[BogusTrumper]

You know MacLeod, it's all a matter of perception. This politicking that Flutie supposedly did? Sam Cowart described it as something else altogether. From Sam's point of view, Flutie just liked to talk football and so he'd pick the brains of the professionals on the team. For instance, he'd go to Cowart and ask how a LB would react if he would do things one way or another. According to Cowart, Flutie never stopped talking football but to Cowart, it was all benign.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
You know MacLeod, it's all a matter of perception. This politicking that Flutie supposedly did? Sam Cowart described it as something else altogether. From Sam's point of view, Flutie just liked to talk football and so he'd pick the brains of the professionals on the team. For instance, he'd go to Cowart and ask how a LB would react if he would do things one way or another. According to Cowart, Flutie never stopped talking football but to Cowart, it was all benign.



Bogus, answer me one question. Do you believe in all of the events that happened or are you going to throw in the denial card?

[JMech]

Originally posted by MacLeod
Sure thing Jmech. You can make him sound like he's the victim all you want. The fact of the matter is he was the problem in the lockeroom because little circus midget couldn't keep his mouth shut for being benched. Of course RJ didn't do such a good job of bottling up his emotions either by firing back through the media. Rob called him out on national tv and all the midget did was deny it. Of course I don't blame flutie for being mad about getting benched after helping the team get to 11-5, but he should have dealt with it through managment and not through the media in the first place. As far as rob is concerned, could you blame him either for getting mad when here is this demoralized elf trying to sabotage your job and turn everyone against you? I would be livid! This lead to the division of the lockeroom. I'm wondering why is this so hard to understand? It's been reported everywhere when it happeend. Flutie had these type of problems with other teams in their lockeroom. His attitude was a problem. I can understand a poster like shiva not believing any of this because it would break his tiny little heart coming to grips with the truth about his hero, but c'mon this is true. I can live with the fact that Rob is not a good qb at this point in his career. At least I can understand and admit that. Who knows maybe years from now he'll live up to his potential. I'll take my dose of reality without blinders thanks.

This is an interesting story. Flutie has not had a problem in the locker rooms. You are believing RJ, who has created a problem no matter where he has gone??? Flutie has been a huge problem in San Diego hasn't he? Watch the game and see Brees and him together? Oh yes, he was also a problem in Chicago... Where in the hell do you get your information from??? Yes, I know, you spoke to RJ. Give it up. The truth has emerged over the years. Hell, you don't have to believe it. You can live in your fantasy.

[mighty peace warrior]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
http://i.cnn.net/si/2003/fantasy/11/10/sundays.best.10/p1_flutie_all.jpg

thanks i needed a new target for my dartboard...:D

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by JMech
This is an interesting story. Flutie has not had a problem in the locker rooms. You are believing RJ, who has created a problem no matter where he has gone??? Flutie has been a huge problem in San Diego hasn't he? Watch the game and see Brees and him together? Oh yes, he was also a problem in Chicago... Where in the hell do you get your information from??? Yes, I know, you spoke to RJ. Give it up. The truth has emerged over the years. Hell, you don't have to believe it. You can live in your fantasy.



Talk about reversing the truth. Yes this whole thing is interesting, especially when it's all facts. Explain to me how RJ has caused problems with all the teams he has been? And what truth has emerged over the years? Please, I would love to hear this nonsense. Don't you keep up with the media? Or have you been living under a rock all these years? Let's flash back to 2001 when the chargers or should I say flutie lost all those last nine games. It's ony fair for flutie to be responsible for losing those games, since all he does is win, right? Well according to the San Diego media, flutie didn't take any responsibility for those lost games and blamed everybody else, which upset Marcellus Wiley back then. Of course it seems now they've patched things up, but that's just a glimpse of the way flutie is. Perhaps the first stage was when the whole charger team was behind flutie and nobody was sticking up for drew brees, which made him feel betrayed. That's right flutie is good at politics so this is no surprise. Things might seem alright on the outside, but I wouldn't be surprised if flutie is up to no good behind the scenes. If he's smart, he'll quit while he's ahead. As far as Chicago goes, there's a reason Jim Macmahon didn't like him. I keep up with some of the media and I get my info from sources such as articles past and present. Again, i'll take my dose of reality without the blinders, thanks.

[The Chosen]

In my best Jim Rome impression... " Flutie's greeaat":hoppin:

[BogusTrumper]

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/sport/archives/2003/11/12/2003075609

It has come to this: age, as Shakespeare might have put it, cannot wither Doug Flutie.

On Sunday, two weeks after he turned 41, Flutie flew around a football field -- passing, running, directing the proceedings -- as though he were 20. OK, maybe not 20.

"I feel as good as I did when I was 30, that's for sure," he said after he led the San Diego Chargers to a 42-28 victory over the Minnesota Vikings.

At an age when most football players -- make that "ex" football players -- are home popping anti-inflammatories for ancient injuries and swigging beer to expand an ample midsection, Flutie started in place of Drew Brees, who is a mere 24.

Flutie did nothing more than connect on 21 of 29 passes, throw for 248 yards and two touchdowns, run for two more touchdowns and make men watching the game on television in nursing homes rap their canes on the floor with excitement.

Other fans share that ardor. "There's something romantic about an old guy being able to play a young man's game," said Marc Bernstein, an attorney and proprietor of Cafi Indulge on Second Avenue in Manhattan. Bernstein is hardly ready for a retirement home, but, like many of us, somewhat past his dewy-eyed youth. And he marveled at Flutie's performance. Why not? Flutie sprinted like Jesse Owens, threw like Willie Mays, commanded the team like George Patton and did it all in the guise of Methuselah.

It was Flutie's first start in two years, and adds to a remarkable pro legend, which began when he was considered too small -- he's 5 feet 10 inches -- to play in the NFL. In his second pro season, when he was a part-time player with the Chicago Bears, he was disparaged by many, including the Bears' starting quarterback then, Jim McMahon, who called Flutie "America's midget."

Obstacles for Flutie, in his 19th pro football season, are, however, nothing more than something to be scaled. Ageism was simply another one of them. He just shuts up and performs -- and prevails.

[BogusTrumper]

http://www.news-press.com/news/sports/031111mcmahonupdate.html

Former NFL quarterback Jim McMahon will be arraigned on a drunken driving charge next month.

McMahon, who led the Chicago Bears to a 1986 Super Bowl victory, can enter a plea on Dec. 18. He faces a penalty ranging from probation to 60 days in the Santa Rosa County Jail.

McMahon was released from the jail on $500 bond hours after his arrest early Sunday in Navarre.

Authorities received two calls from citizens reporting that a pickup truck was cutting through traffic and nearly causing accidents, said sheriff’s spokesman Jerry Henderson.

McMahon failed a field sobriety test and had a blood-alcohol level more than three times the legal limit, Henderson said. One breathalyzer exam put his blood-alcohol level at 0.261 percent and another had it at 0.258 percent. The legal limit is 0.08 percent.

[BogusTrumper]

Isn't it funny how Rob Johnson has become the definition of bad:

http://www.billsinsider.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1071&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

WIVB-TV: Following the Bills loss in Dallas it's in fashion this week to go after Drew Bledsoe. I guess we've had enough of blaming Gregg Williams, so it's time to take the shots at Drew. There is no question Drew Bledsoe has been brutal. To not lead your team on a touchdown drive for 17 straight quarters on the road is mind boggling. Rob Johnson never had a stretch that bad.

[StraightJ]

Rob's taking over our Flutie thread :(

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
He just shuts up[/i]



could've fooled me.

[Psychosis]

Bogus, what does macmahon's druken driving have anything to do with this thread? Simply amazing. :rolleyes:
Macmahon and flutie had their little fued. I found it funny when mike ditka once slapped flutie across the face mask for making a stupid play. :snicker:

[thegame]

I'm a bit late getting into this "discussion", but something interesting came to mind when reading the original post by JMech. You said, and I quote:


[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMech


The same guy that put the Bills into SuperBowl contention and would have had them there had it not been for the owner decideing to strong arm the coaching staff that knew better. Buffalo does not want to face it, but that Tennessee game would not have been close enough for them to get back in it. We will never know, but WE all know NOW who the better choice would have been.....Flutie over RJ.



"Lead the Bills into Super Bowl contention, eh?"

I remember the Bills having the #1 defence in the NFL that year, and Doug started 15 games, went 10-5 and threw just 19 TD's to 16 INTs and had a QB rating of 75.1. We won games like the Baltimore game by giving up just 7 points on D, while the offence sputtered under Flutie. This pattern never ends with Flutie lovers, as they give him credit for "taking us to the playoffs" when in reality it was the Ted Cottrell defence, #3 in 1998, #1 in 1999 and #5 in 2000 that allowed us to win 29 games in that 3 year span. While Doug was unquestionably better overall than Rob, it was Rob who led the drive in Tenn. to hit a go ahead FG with 16 seconds remaining, and it was the Special Teams who lost that game on the next play, allowing Tenn. to move on and run over the Colts and hapless Jags on thier way to the Super Bowl. Flutie is an exciting, above average talent who captivates the masses with his heartwarming story, but after a time, wears on both the lockerroom and pragmatic fans, who cannot overlook the fact that he's never won a playoff game, or sustained statistical or organizational success at any of his 4 NFL stops, San Diego in 2001 was perhaps the best example of that. He is not what so many of his "followers" make him out to be.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by thegame
I'm a bit late getting into this "discussion", but something interesting came to mind when reading the original post by JMech. You said, and I quote:


[QUOTE]Originally posted by JMech


The same guy that put the Bills into SuperBowl contention and would have had them there had it not been for the owner decideing to strong arm the coaching staff that knew better. Buffalo does not want to face it, but that Tennessee game would not have been close enough for them to get back in it. We will never know, but WE all know NOW who the better choice would have been.....Flutie over RJ.



"Lead the Bills into Super Bowl contention, eh?"

I remember the Bills having the #1 defence in the NFL that year, and Doug started 15 games, went 10-5 and threw just 19 TD's to 16 INTs and had a QB rating of 75.1. We won games like the Baltimore game by giving up just 7 points on D, while the offence sputtered under Flutie. This pattern never ends with Flutie lovers, as they give him credit for "taking us to the playoffs" when in reality it was the Ted Cottrell defence, #3 in 1998, #1 in 1999 and #5 in 2000 that allowed us to win 29 games in that 3 year span. While Doug was unquestionably better overall than Rob, it was Rob who led the drive in Tenn. to hit a go ahead FG with 16 seconds remaining, and it was the Special Teams who lost that game on the next play, allowing Tenn. to move on and run over the Colts and hapless Jags on thier way to the Super Bowl. Flutie is an exciting, above average talent who captivates the masses with his heartwarming story, but after a time, wears on both the lockerroom and pragmatic fans, who cannot overlook the fact that he's never won a playoff game, or sustained statistical or organizational success at any of his 4 NFL stops, San Diego in 2001 was perhaps the best example of that. He is not what so many of his "followers" make him out to be.


The game, that is an excellent post. Thank you for telling it how it is. It wasn't mentioned with flutie in an interview said and I quote, "I believe had played we could....we would have one!"
Rob at that time took it as an insult and i'm sure the a lot of team members took it as an insult. Flutie seems to forget football is a team sport, and it's not all about him.

[John]

Originally posted by thegame
Flutie is an exciting, above average talent who captivates the masses with his heartwarming story, but after a time, wears on both the lockerroom and pragmatic fans, who cannot overlook the fact that he's never won a playoff game, or sustained statistical or organizational success at any of his 4 NFL stops, San Diego in 2001 was perhaps the best example of that. He is not what so many of his "followers" make him out to be.

I think you hit the nail on the head, Game. It is amazing to me how strong the anti-Flutie feeling remains here, years later. I do understand why people root for the guy - after all, how many QB's in the NFL put up numbers like he did on Sunday, much less at 41, much less after not starting for 2 years. Regardless of what else you may think of the guy, you have to admit that it's amazing. Flutie can bring a lot of fun to rooting for your team, as he did here for so many. And rooting for a team is supposed to be fun.

The problem with Flutie, is that he can't sustain that level of effectiveness. As we saw here, after Defences had some film to watch of him, they were able to get pretty effective at shutting him down. Despite his effectivness slipping, his supporters continue to root for him, anoying a large block of the fan base to no end.

The "Flutie Problem" for an NFL team is that he could be the best relief pitcher in the NFL since George Blanda, but that role is not possible for him given his fan base, the impossibility of a QB controversy for any NFL team, and his own desire to play.

[John]

Originally posted by MacLeod
The game, that is an excellent post. Thank you for telling it how it is. It wasn't mentioned with flutie in an interview said and I quote, "I believe had played we could....we would have one!"
Rob at that time took it as an insult and i'm sure the a lot of team members took it as an insult. Flutie seems to forget football is a team sport, and it's not all about him.

He did say that, although you should mention that it was in direct response to an interviewers question ("do you think that if you would have played in the Tenn game the outcome would have been different). He also added to the quote by saying "as a competitor you always think you vcan make a difference if you are playing" (or words to that effect).

I always found it interesting to look at how different Flutie and Johnson were. Flutie was an undersized New Englander, Johnson the cut Californian. Johnson the surfer dude, Flutie the family man. I have no doubt that they couldn't stand each other.

I would guess that Johnson saw Flutie as a constant threat and backstabber. I would guess that Flutie saw Johnson as a classic underacheiver who had things handed to him on a silver platter time and time again. There was actually some truth in both perspectives. There was no chance for these guys to find a way to get along.

It is amazing to me to see how the fires still burn, though.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by John
He did say that, although you should mention that it was in direct response to an interviewers question ("do you think that if you would have played in the Tenn game the outcome would have been different). He also added to the quote by saying "as a competitor you always think you vcan make a difference if you are playing" (or words to that effect).

I always found it interesting to look at how different Flutie and Johnson were. Flutie was an undersized New Englander, Johnson the cut Californian. Johnson the surfer dude, Flutie the family man. I have no doubt that they couldn't stand each other.

I would guess that Johnson saw Flutie as a constant threat and backstabber. I would guess that Flutie saw Johnson as a classic underacheiver who had things handed to him on a silver platter time and time again. There was actually some truth in both perspectives. There was no chance for these guys to find a way to get along.

It is amazing to me to see how the fires still burn, though.



Yes I know about everything he said. I still don't think he should have said the team would have won had he played. Who is he? Nostradamus? His ppg average that year was around 20 per game. With RJ we were able to get 22 points in that game against a great titans D. He doesn't know that and the way the titans were playing that year, I wouldn't bet on it.

[Psychosis]

My apologies we got 16 points in that game. Still pretty close to the average of 20 ppg. That game was no cakewalk. The titans had the first, if not, the second best D that year.

[StraightJ]

I guess after another game with Doug at the helm we can make a little more of a judgement. At any rate, I would LOVE to have him as a backup rather than AVP, as much as I like Alex.
J