Daze?

[Thumper]

The Blackhawks are looking for blueliners.....I'm not positive of Daze's contract, but it can't be ridiculous....

If he's affordable, it'd be nice to see him back to where he almost belonged.

http://www.spectorshockey.net/

BLACKHAWKS SEEKING BLUELINERS.

CHICAGO DAILY HERALD: Tim Sassone reports Blackhawks general manager Mike Smith intends to add two veteran defencemen to his roster before training camp opens in September. Smith said he'll be active in this summer's UFA market, but could also explore trade possibilities if he doesn't find anything to his liking via free agency.

[Hurls]

I like Daze, but see a lil Gratton in him. He may be a risk.

[Jim Bob]

Daze is at $3.2 million for 03-04.

The big key with Daze is his health. Every season where he's played in 79 games or more he's scored over 30 goals.

If he's played in 72 games or less he's been good for 20 goals.

The problem is that I doubt Regier would get anyone to take on Zhitnik's contract and give back a player that would make Regier do the deal. With Zhitnik's $3.75 million on the books I can't see the Sabres affording a player like Daze.

And they still would have the top 2 line center hoel to fill.

I'd worry about landing a top 2 line center first and then go forward from there.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Daze is slow, soft and injury prone. And he's overpaid. No thanks.

[Jim Bob]

Originally posted by LALALALALALAFONTAINE
Daze is slow, soft and injury prone. And he's overpaid. No thanks.

He'll make less than Satan will next year and he's nearly as productive when he stays healthy.

Slow, soft, and injury prone, sure.

But he's not overpaid when he's a 30 goal scorer if he's healthy and he's making $3.2 million. You can pay just as much or more for a lot less production in today's NHL.

[delectrolux]

.
i would take daze.
we've consistantly ripped off the blackhawks, why should now be any different?
.

[itslonganditsgood]

Do you think they will take Stephane Beuregard?

[LALAFONTAINE]

I contend he is overpaid at $3.2M.
1997-98 CHIC, NHL 80 31 11 42 22 4 10 0 7 216 14.35
1998-99 CHIC, NHL 72 22 20 42 22 -13 8 0 2 189 11.64
1999-00 CHIC, NHL 59 23 13 36 28 -16 6 0 1 143 16.08
2000-01 CHIC, NHL 79 33 24 57 16 1 9 1 8 205 16.1
2001-02 CHIC, NHL 82 38 32 70 36 17 12 0 5 264 14.39
2002-03 CHIC, NHL 54 22 22 44 14 10 3 0 5 170 12.94

Aside from his 70 pt season in 2001-2, his numbers have averaged:

68.8 26.2 18 44.2

$3.2M for 44 points? Not a chance. His slowness, softness and propensity to get hurt further deteriorates his market value. We can get Marchant, who's a better player, for less. Plus, Marchant is quick, has some grit, is healthy and plays very good defense. And his great year came entirely due to a change of role. Daze's role has stayed the same.

[Jim Bob]

I love how you take out the career year which wasn't a statistical anomoly in his career.

I'm sorry, but in today's NHL $3.2 million isn't overpaying for a guy who has averaged 28 goals per season over 8 seasons.

And if you look at his production on an 82 game basis (31g 23a) it's even better.

The guy is a goalscorer in a league that is dying for goalscorers.

He's worth the money.

[LALAFONTAINE]

How is a 70 pt season in the middle of 44 pt averages not an anamoly?

$3.2M is overpaying for 44 pts. Daze had 14 penalty minutes last year. He makes Mike Wilson look tough. He makes Dave Andreychuk look fast.

Speaking of Dave Andreychuk, he got $1.55M to score 20 goals.

Langkow, who has as many points as Daze over the past 5 years, and more last year, was paid $2.55M last year. Andrew Brunette, better production, made $1.1M last year. Marc Savard had 4 fewer pts over the past 5 years, but a better year last year. He made $1.3M. Nylander, better in every way, made $1.8M. On basic offensive stats, he's not worth the money. Once you factor in his inability to skate and his ability to make Mike Wilson look tough, he's worth even less. Arnott's a better "bargain" at $3.8M, and he's overpaid too.

Especially in today's NHL, where qualifying players is no longer a rubber stamp.

[Jim Bob]

How is a 70 pt season in the middle of 44 pt averages not an anamoly?

The 32 assists were an anamoly, but the 38 goals was only about 7 above his average for a full season.

And Daze is a goalscorer, not a point producer.

$3.2M is overpaying for 44 pts.

Not if it's 29 goals and 15 assists.

Daze had 14 penalty minutes last year. He makes Mike Wilson look tough.

Penalty minutes aren't the only way to measure toughness. Daze will stand in front of the net and take a beating to score goals like Leclair does. And I wouldn't call Leclair Mike Wilson tough.

He makes Dave Andreychuk look fast.

He's not that slow.

Speaking of Dave Andreychuk, he got $1.55M to score 20 goals.

And how old is Andy?

Besides, Daze is a top 2 line player. Andreychuk is a 4th line PP specialist.

Nylander, better in every way, made $1.8M.

If you think Nylander is a better goalscorer than Daze then you need a reality check.

Just check out what Ray Whitney gets this offseason. Daze is a better player than Whitney is.

[Jim Bob]

More on the anamoly of 01-02

00-01 79gp 33g 24a 57pts
01-02 82gp 38g 32a 70pts
02-03 54gp 22g 22a 44pts - If you take that production and stretch it out over 82 games then it's a 33g 33a 66pt pace.

A 70 pt season isn't an anamoly if you are within 5g and 1 to 8 assists the year before and the year after.

[LALAFONTAINE]

See my post on Kozlov vs. Daze. I see them as very similar players. Big, soft, injury prone guys, except that Kozlov makes $1.1M less.

[Jim Bob]

Originally posted by LALALALALALAFONTAINE
See my post on Kozlov vs. Daze. I see them as very similar players. Big, soft, injury prone guys, except that Kozlov makes $1.1M less.

Daze never lived off linemates like Kozlov has with Bure and then Jokinen.

[LALAFONTAINE]

Kozlov's 3rd best season pointwise was without Bure (well, 11 games of Bure) and Jokinen. Amonte, Zhamnov, Chelios and Suter aren't exactly bad players, either.

[RockStar36]

wow...this is kinda fun watching these 2 argue back and forth.....

[LALAFONTAINE]

It's interesting for me, too, because I usually don't disagree with Jim Bob that much. I think he's putting too much of a premium on goals and not enough of a premium on money. :)

[Jim Bob]

Originally posted by LALALALALALAFONTAINE
Kozlov's 3rd best season pointwise was without Bure (well, 11 games of Bure) and Jokinen. Amonte, Zhamnov, Chelios and Suter aren't exactly bad players, either.

Daze didn't play a whole lot with Zhamnov or Amonte and Chelios and Suter are defensemen.

They usually had Zhamnov and Amonte on the 1st line and Daze on the 2nd line to spread the scoring around.