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[Jro]

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And here is the interview...

Jro: What would you classify yourself as politicly?
BFO: I would consider myself a moderate conservative who values many libertarian ideals. I am a registered independent, and I vote with my conscious, not along party lines. I was eligible to vote for 3 presidential elections, and voted Conservative/Republican only once. I vote the same way in state and local elections as well.
I think the libertarian principles are great in theory, but would fail in practice. It relies too much on other’s responsibility. I am a firm believer in individual responsibility, but there is a great deal of overlap between one’s own responsibility and how upholding those responsibilities impact the community. It’s a fine line. I have a little pet peeve with litterers. Man, if you can’t get people to throw a friggin wrapper in a trash can two feet away, how can you expect them be more responsible for themselves and their community? But, if everyone was like me…

Jro: Do you think that the United States lied about WMD in Iraq?
BFO: No. I do not think the US lied, rather put their stock in some maybe less than reliable information. The search isn’t over yet. Perhaps we will find some. I think people oversimplify a search process. Iraq is as big as Texas, more or less, no? I would challenge the entire BBI community to a contest. Let me hide materials somewhere in Texas (anywhere), and you all go out and find it. Ok, where do you start? Who will cooperate with you? Will you turn over every single stone in the entire state of Texas?

Jro: What are your thoughts on Affermative Action?
BFO: I sometimes admire Liberals’ intentions. In this case I do. However, Affirmative Action does more harm than good, IMO.
First, it can instantly discredit any minority’s achievements. Did they get the job because they are black, or because they are qualified?
Second, it increases racial tension. I thought we are supposed to judge a person not by the color of their skin, rather the content of their character. I strongly believe in that principle. Here we are JUDGING by skin, NOT by CHARACTER!
Third, there is no clear-cut definition of a minority. A while back I proposed a little exercise in which we would try to determine who is and who isn’t a minority. Is someone from Spain? How about Portugal? What about someone with Cuban Black grandparents born in Sweden? Is Tiger Woods? How about someone from the Philippines? How about someone half Japanese, half white? Full Japanese? Eastern Russian? Eskimo? Puerto Rican? Costa Rican? Costa Rican whose ancestors are from France? Puerto Rican whose ancestors are from Germany? Jamaican whose ancestors are from China (I know someone who is BTW)?
WTF is a minority?
I think we must ditch any affirmative action based on color or ethnic background and focus on education and helping employ the less fortunate (no matter what color). Believe it or not, there are some whites who can’t make their way out of poverty.

Jro: Looks like partial birth abortion will be banned in comming days, do you think all abortions could be illegal soon? If so what are your thoughts on that?
BFO: I have to admit that I don’t follow abortion rights too closely. What is partial birth abortion? Without looking it up I assume it is a late term abortion, which I vehemently oppose. I do not oppose very early term abortions.

Jro: Should schools teach the theory of evolution and creationism? Or neither, or just one?
BFO: They should teach evolution and open up dialog to discuss creationism. Where do you stop? I’m sure many religions have many different stories. You can’t possible (nor should you) teach them all. Religion belongs at home, not in school.

Jro: With both sides looking ready to work together, do you think that the bush "Road Map" to peace in the middle east will work?
BFO: Nothing will ever bring peace in the Middle East.

Jro: In Mrs. Clintons new book she says she only found out about Monica the weekend before the president told the world? Do you belive her? Or was she just trying to defend her husband even knowing it was true?
BFO: She is bold face liar. I don’t know how anyone could have possibly voted for her. I think Hillary is the epitome of what is wrong with politics and why politicians have such a bad reputation.
If she is that naïve, and that gullible, how can she make an effective president? She is/was trying to protect her own political career.

Jro: What job approval rating would you give President Bush so far?
BFO: I think he is trying hard. I think he has come through on many of his campaign promises. He has, most importantly to me, is “changed the tone” in Washington. There is little finger pointing coming from the right. That is from right politicians. I think right wing media personalities, like joemama’s favorite Ann Coultler, do more harm than good to the conservative cause. No one likes or respects finger pointers.

Jro: What is something about yourself the board members wouldn't know?
BFO: Hmmmm. I don’t know. I share a lot of stuff with the board. If you read every single post, you would know a lot about me. But, for kicks, I would say I am much less reactionary in person. I work with and am friends with many liberals, and political debate is not something I take part in often.

Jro: What poster on the board do you respect the most?
BFO: I like reading up on everyone’s views. Even though they all are wrong and I am right.

[reeves84]

Thanks for a goody folks, but I still think "bills fa none" when I see your screen name. :D

[matthew94]

good interview JRO. I look forward to more posts from BFO

[mighty peace warrior]

mix up the questions a little or add a few more

[The Philster]

Oh God...now you're letting a NY Dragons fan share his views?
:shakehead Whatever is the world coming to?:funnyguy:

[YardRat]

Nice interview Jro and BF1.

[Player6600]

why are people against affirmitave action. racism still exists its, tough for minorities to get jobs, and their achievements are not diminished

[The Philster]

Affirmative Action sometimes gets a little carried away.. It can be perceived as racism as well. A lot of times, people will give jobs based on race rather than qualifications just to fill a quota. Race shouldn't have a thing to do with getting a job. Whether you're white, black, Gentile, red, or whatever...the best person for the job should get it.

[Player6600]

Minorities hold a small percentage of the problem and in my opinion if two people are equal or close to equal then the minority should get the job, they have enough trouble as it is right now.

Companies should try and fill a quota if we want to progress as people in the long run it will help

[mighty peace warrior]

Originally posted by Player6600
Minorities hold a small percentage of the problem and in my opinion if two people are equal or close to equal then the minority should get the job, they have enough trouble as it is right now.

Companies should try and fill a quota if we want to progress as people in the long run it will help

ya it all sounds nice till it happens to you. in my line of work minorities often get bonus points on testing, making them not equal but getting an unfair advantage.

[The Philster]

Exactly, mpw. The basic thing is...the best person for the job should get it...regardless of race, religion, sex, age, etc. Quotas are a pathetic system, IMO. They prevent equality, not help it.

[BironsGirl43]

Originally posted by Jrofosho


Jro: What poster on the board do you respect the most?
BFO: I like reading up on everyone’s views. Even though they all are wrong and I am right. [/B]

Hahahaha.. I liked that part!!

BF1 is a cutie too..... :)

[mannyfresh]

ya it all sounds nice till it happens to you. in my line of work minorities often get bonus points on testing, making them not equal but getting an unfair advantage.

realize being white is an advantage.

[Psychosis]

bf1 you look like that american pie guy.

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by BuffDaddy
bf1 you look like that american pie guy.

I DON'T HUMP APPLE PIES? :D

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by BironsGirl43
Hahahaha.. I liked that part!!

BF1 is a cutie too..... :)

lol

Thanks. I'm blushing right now.

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by billsfanone
I DON'T HUMP APPLE PIES? :D



lol

[Player6600]

Originally posted by mighty peace warrior
ya it all sounds nice till it happens to you. in my line of work minorities often get bonus points on testing, making them not equal but getting an unfair advantage.

first of all it all averages out in the long run. Whites are in power of almost all corporations and many will only hire with what is familiar. they might get a job over a more qualified person in one place, but in most they lose a job to a person less qualified because of race.

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by mannyfresh
realize being white is an advantage.

Manny, weird as you are, strange as your posts are, I think I love you right now.

[BogusTrumper]

I want to see BF1s fiance. Did you cut her out of the picture?

:yikes:

[billsfanone]

lol.

No. I did cut my family out though. It was a pic with me, my nephew, my bro, my sis in law and my parents.

I'll have to find a good one of me and the future Mrs. BF1.

[EricStratton]

I found a picture for you BF1

[gilchristfan]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
Manny, weird as you are, strange as your posts are, I think I love you right now.


Sorry, he's already professed his love for another.


http://buffalorange.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31820&pagenumber=2

mannyfresh loves you gilchristfan

[BogusTrumper]

Sorry, gilchrist. I didn't know. I'll back off.

Jrofosho, you asked all the questions I would have asked. Good job. Course, I already knew the answers too.

[billsfanone]

Originally posted by EricStratton
I found a picture for you BF1


:D

[BironsGirl43]

Yes.. yes.. show us the future Mrs. BF1.. I'm sure she's beautiful

Oh to whoever said you looked like the guy from American Pie.. NO.. you don't.. that guy isn't very attractive.. I think you're much better looking :)

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by BironsGirl43
Yes.. yes.. show us the future Mrs. BF1.. I'm sure she's beautiful

Oh to whoever said you looked like the guy from American Pie.. NO.. you don't.. that guy isn't very attractive.. I think you're much better looking :)



I said he looked like that guy. BF1 knows I didn't mean it as an insult. He should be flattered because he looks like a celebrity. :)

[BironsGirl43]

Originally posted by BuffDaddy
I said he looked like that guy. BF1 knows I didn't mean it as an insult. He should be flattered because he looks like a celebrity. :)

I know!! Hehehe.. no worries.. I know what you meant.

I was just pointing out that I thought he looked BETTER than that guy.. :)

..and people don't have to be flattered necessarily when compared to a celebrity.. somebody on here said I looked like Ann Coulter....... :cryin:.... lol..

I totally know what you mean though.. :canflag:

[Psychosis]

Originally posted by BironsGirl43
I know!! Hehehe.. no worries.. I know what you meant.

I was just pointing out that I thought he looked BETTER than that guy.. :)

..and people don't have to be flattered necessarily when compared to a celebrity.. somebody on here said I looked like Ann Coulter....... :cryin:.... lol..

I totally know what you mean though.. :canflag:



nah I don't think you look like that lady ann coulter. You look like a swedish swimsuit model named inga. :D

[mighty peace warrior]

Originally posted by mannyfresh
realize being white is an advantage.

oh please. opportunity in america is what you make of it

[mighty peace warrior]

Originally posted by Player6600
first of all it all averages out in the long run. Whites are in power of almost all corporations and many will only hire with what is familiar. they might get a job over a more qualified person in one place, but in most they lose a job to a person less qualified because of race.

well im sure that makes the workin stiff feel better who doesnt get a job because his competitor, who is less qualified to do the job, gets hired to fill a quota. two wronds do not make a right

[Player6600]

it all evens out anyway.

[EricStratton]

Originally posted by Player6600
it all evens out anyway.


And it still doesn't make it right.

[BogusTrumper]

It doesn't even out. Not very many minorities even take advantage of it. Seems to me that the people who are the most outspoken against it are just scared that they won't measure up. I've never understood that.

[MVDaBomb]

I liked BF1's take on affirmative action. Sure, MOST blacks are born into a disadvantage compared to whites. At the same time, most people who grew up in the deep south are at an economic disadvantage compared to others - does that mean you should get special treatment if you were born in Mississippi?
You can say being white is an advantage - and while that is generally true - it doesn't change the fact that Bill Clinton had a much tougher childhood than Kobe Bryant.

This is one case where it just doesn't make sense to generalize. If you're going to use affirmative action, set it up based on the income level of your parents/guardians so that ALL disadvantaged people can benefit from it. I don't think ANYBODY should get free points for putting their names on a test. But if somebody who comes from a tough background scored 20 points less on their SAT's compared to somebody born with a silver spoon in their mouth, I wouldn't object to a college accepting the former.

[Player6600]

You have to have AA. Whites are in control of most companies and that old school mentality is still prevelant. By forcing companies to hire minorities they are making a clear committment towards equality and making an attempt to fix the gap between the two races.

[mighty peace warrior]

afffirmative action has been around for years and it is not fixing any gaps. the only way for someone to get ahead is too work hard.

nice argument BT....the ones who dont like AA are afraid of competion, the ones who dont believe homosexuality is ok are homophobes. typical generalizations you sound just like the rightwing people only you use the opposite words.

you never understood it because it doesn't affect you, and player thinks its ok cause it doesnt affect him. how do you "measure up" if the other guy is standing on a step.

to be honest i have never lost a job i have ever applied for. its not because of the color of my skin or how much money mommy and daddy made....its because i have worked hard for everything i have ever gotten. I have no sympathy for those that want a hand out, or extra credit for their childhood.

[The Philster]

Originally posted by MVDaBomb
[B]I liked BF1's take on affirmative action. Sure, MOST blacks are born into a disadvantage compared to whites. At the same time, most people who grew up in the deep south are at an economic disadvantage compared to others - does that mean you should get special treatment if you were born in Mississippi?
You can say being white is an advantage - and while that is generally true - it doesn't change the fact that Bill Clinton had a much tougher childhood than Kobe Bryant.

/B]

Excellent point. :thumbup:

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by mighty peace warrior
afffirmative action has been around for years and it is not fixing any gaps. the only way for someone to get ahead is too work hard.

nice argument BT....the ones who dont like AA are afraid of competion, the ones who dont believe homosexuality is ok are homophobes. typical generalizations you sound just like the rightwing people only you use the opposite words.

you never understood it because it doesn't affect you, and player thinks its ok cause it doesnt affect him. how do you "measure up" if the other guy is standing on a step.

to be honest i have never lost a job i have ever applied for. its not because of the color of my skin or how much money mommy and daddy made....its because i have worked hard for everything i have ever gotten. I have no sympathy for those that want a hand out, or extra credit for their childhood.

Give me a break MPW. I'm here. I'm open to discussion. I'm not throwing insults and then running away. I don't think I've called anyone one this board a homophobe. Most of people here who are opposed to homosexuality seem to think homosexuality is wrong because the bible says so. I have never suspected that a single one of them are harboring latent homosexual feelings.

Yeah. I believe that people who are really outspoken about affirmative action do so because they are afraid they will somehow not get a job because of it. I've seen it. Like most cop families, the cop thing runs in my husband's family. They all took the tests, they all sweated out the results, they all worried about the AA thing. In fact, it was at my first meal with them where they were discussing it that I realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore. Did you know? It's a well known fact that all Black people are ignorant. That's what they told me.

All I kept saying was don't worry about it. There is no reason why you should be rejected.

And then they got on the job. And guess what? It turns out that not very many minorities even take advantage of affirmative action in hiring. Not obviously. It turns out that there are good cops and bad cops and you can't tell who got the extra points and who didn't. There are some very good minority cops who are just naturals and there are some very bad white male cops who just plain suck.

Then there's my ex-step-father-in-law who used it as an excuse to justify the fact that he couldn't get hired. No one wanted him. Must have been because of affirmative action :rolleyes2:

[Henry4MVP]

Originally posted by BogusTrumper
Did you know? It's a well known fact that all Black people are ignorant. That's what they told me.

That idea is so prevalent in some places down here that it's almost an unspoken law. Racism runs pretty deep in my own family. Sometimes I despise where I came from.
Even people who are otherwise pretty morally sound seem to buy into this idea without giving it much thought. I don't know if it's just a "southern thing" or if it's everywhere. Not so bad in the more civilized parts but up next to West Virginia, and travelling south down to Georgia (the places I've spent the most time) racism is virtually taught right along side religion and daddy's trade.

[jimmifli]

I play Golf in South and North Carolina as well as Virginia Beach and I've never had a white guy take my bag.

One of the guys who plays with us is black. At a course in N. Carolina they started to give us a hard time about our tee time when we showed up at the course, saying it was lost or double booked. Load of **** - they saw a black guy and didn't want us to play. I started making a scene. A pretty big scene! They let us play.

It really is a different world.

[JoeMama]

Hell yeah, jimmi.

The south is a cesspool of racism & hatred.

I can't say I'm in favor of affirmative action, but these idiots who believe racism & discrimination don't exist must be living in a progressive area like Oregon.

[mighty peace warrior]

Well Oregon is very "progressive" (which really means Liberal). Racisim is everywhere i have ever lived, its just more open in the south, its no more a cesspool than it is in NY or anywhere else, they just try to hide it a little up north.

AA is descrimination in my opinion it gives an advantage to someone not because they earned it. I have, repeating myself here, never not gotten a job i have applied for. In my department i worry much more about the good ole boy network than anything else(the cop thing doesnt run in my family) . I will overcome it like i have every other obsticale in life, through work not asking for handouts, or a help up.

[Napalm]

Originally posted by mighty peace warrior
Well Oregon is very "progressive" (which really means Liberal). Racisim is everywhere i have ever lived, its just more open in the south, its no more a cesspool than it is in NY or anywhere else, they just try to hide it a little up north.

AA is descrimination in my opinion it gives an advantage to someone not because they earned it. I have, repeating myself here, never not gotten a job i have applied for. In my department i worry much more about the good ole boy network than anything else(the cop thing doesnt run in my family) . I will overcome it like i have every other obsticale in life, through work not asking for handouts, or a help up.

WOW For once I agree with the MPW.

Racism willl exist for years and years and years to come. Why? It just will. If you think about it, everyone that has posted has had a race thought in their lifetime. Don't lie to yourselves/

Anyways, AA is good to a point. I don't agree with hiring a person based on a "Quota" but it realistically does happen. However, it does help elimate banning a certain group of people from having a chance at having a life in the suburbs.

Just think when we are ALL dead and gone, maybe we will actually eliminate the "Race question" when it doesn't show up on the census, and no one that lives in the USA is considered a minority. They are just considered an American.

[mannyfresh]

posted by MPW
afffirmative action has been around for years and it is not fixing any gaps.

not true actually.

In fact this is how ignorant you are of affirmative action. all your posts have been about minorities(blacks and hispanics namely) and AA.

when all the statistics say that AA has helped women more then any other minority group. And yes the income gap for men and women has lessened over the years.


mannys says its a little ironic, that you focus all your attention on minorites and AA , when AA has helped white women more then any other group.

[mighty peace warrior]

MPW thinks manny should stop talking in the third person because it makes manny sound dummer than his posts really are. I dont think AA has helped women i think the fact more of them are working, as opposed to being a homemaker, and going to college has helped them more than AA. But then its not convinient to actually think about what the cause is when you have a convinient "program" to give credit to.

[mannyfresh]

I dont think AA has helped women i think the fact more of them are working, as opposed to being a homemaker, and going to college has helped them more than AA.

manny will talk in manbulary when manny wants to. You may 'think' AA hasnt helped women, but that doesnt change the fact that you are wrong.

why do u think women dont want to be 'homemakers' anymore? why do you think they want to go college now? becuase AA helped them to believe their efforts will not be fruitless.

AA was never about giving ppl a handout, it was and always will be about giving ppl the realization that they have untapped potential.

[mighty peace warrior]

LOL AA is all about giving something for nothing to make up for the guilt white people feel about past descrimination.


ohh manny says im wrong, but sounds like an idiot the way he says it. CHIMP go back to your old persona at least you spoke english with your nonsense.

you think AA made women not want to be homemakers.....that is funny. a government program helped half the country change their lifestyle. When you get older you will see the cost of living is why most familys have two working members, not AA.

[mannyfresh]

REalize CHimp iS DEAD


maybe u didnt know mannyfresh.....realize chimp is nothing, hez dead....manny killed him....manny was always manny....like manny said....it was a carefully calculated punishment for all u who hated manny and quix

[mighty peace warrior]

you kill me no matter what you call yourself.

[BogusTrumper]

Originally posted by mannyfresh
REalize CHimp iS DEAD


maybe u didnt know mannyfresh.....realize chimp is nothing, hez dead....manny killed him....manny was always manny....like manny said....it was a carefully calculated punishment for all u who hated manny and quix

I still think it's the other way around - manny is our punishment for giving monkeyboy a hard time.