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darthokeefe

March 23rd, 2003, 10:19:12 PM

Now that the Bills do not have any pressing needs in thier line up. (Sure a C, DE or S would help) I can see Willis McGahee storming into town.

Think about it-
TD loves to trade down in the draft and he also is a proponent of picking the Best player available. We'll with the wealth of D-Line men in the Draft I can see TD trading down a few spots to the bottom of round 1 and using our Pick on thw BEST RUNNING BACK IN THE DRAFT and sure fire NUMBER 1 pick if his health had held up.

Before you laugh I remember another RB with a questionable knee who went on to 4 sbs, a mvp and a sure fire FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAME nomination.

I know T.Henry is strong but can TD and the Bills pass up an oppertunity to snag a player of McGahees ability and potential.

I say GO FOR IT tom see if you can pick up another 2 or 3 pick AND McGahee:uhhuh:

It would be just another feather in the cap of our PIMP DADDY TD top stud in the NFL executive club. :pope:

Matthew J

March 23rd, 2003, 10:23:24 PM

I think this is crazy talk....Travis Henry is just about to enter the prime of his career and he's coming off a 1,400 season in just his second year...

I can certainly see grabbing a depth guy...but not someone to try to compete with henry. Why are there so many Bills fans that can't put their trust in henry?

YardRat

March 23rd, 2003, 10:25:38 PM

Henry's the #1 guy, no question, but I wouldn't mind TD grabbing another RB in FA or the draft for depth.

darthokeefe

March 23rd, 2003, 10:27:53 PM

Hey I'm not sayin Henry isnt good .

But can any team afford to pass up a talent like McGahee if in position to take him?

Trust me some will jump on him WHY NOT THE BILLS

Hurls

March 23rd, 2003, 10:31:43 PM

Cuz the Bills need help elsewhere, if willis is there in round 2, then i say ok

Lord Berman

March 23rd, 2003, 10:35:30 PM

I agree Mathew... Henry is going into only his thrid year! and 1st Pro Bowl. If you are in favor of seeing some depth drafted, its more likely that they draft a RB with speed in the later rounds to compliment Henry on 3rd downs....

mykiljonz

March 23rd, 2003, 10:39:38 PM

Yea, D-line with the 1st pick. I would say that I Do think he will come back from his injury, and someone will have one hell of a RB when that happens. I would get him with our 2nd round pick, we need a back-up for TH anyway. Plus his contract is about to be up next year also (isn't it?).

I could see another Price thing if TH has another big year this year. He may want a 12-15 million signing bonus, plus a contract in the 5-6 million per year range. Will we have that to give him?

Another top RB waiting in the wings could help to bring his contract down a little bit.

GO BILLS---

Mouldsie

March 23rd, 2003, 11:28:04 PM

What about another 'cane... Jerome McDougle maybe?

The Beef

March 24th, 2003, 12:49:02 AM

If McGahee would be picked in the 1st round, I think you have a deifnet sitiuation developing like the Ricky?deuce deal, and you'd see Travis shipped out for a #1 if the fumblign continues. I don't think it's an issue though, I don't see TD going on that limb and bringing in Willis.

sfoote

March 24th, 2003, 8:17:30 AM

Take McGahee in round 2 if he's still there and if TD thinks he is healthy enough.

askabry

March 24th, 2003, 8:37:48 AM

I like McGahee, but I'm no doctor. My wife knows sports injuries pretty well and she felt those injuries are the sort that don't really heal. Something will be missing from his play regardless was what she was saying.

I was stronger for the guy earlier, but now in the Bills situation I have a hard time going higher than the 3rd round for McGahee.

mac60jus

March 24th, 2003, 8:47:03 AM

McGahee would be a good third down back with us, btu I don't think we draft him higher than 2nd overall.

jimmifli

March 24th, 2003, 9:11:34 AM

Originally posted by askabry
I like McGahee, but I'm no doctor. My wife knows sports injuries pretty well and she felt those injuries are the sort that don't really heal. Something will be missing from his play regardless was what she was saying.

I was stronger for the guy earlier, but now in the Bills situation I have a hard time going higher than the 3rd round for McGahee.

That "something" that McGahee will be missing is called Proprioception. If you close your eyes and move your arms around your brain still knows where they are in relation to the rest of your body. Athletes have an incredible ability to know their body. When they have an injury this severe there body has permanently changed. Sometimes it takes years to relearn and sometimes they never do. Even after they have fully healed and rehabbed the muscle to full strength they still can't perform on the field to the level they did before the injury. Some make it back to the level they played at before the injury, most don't.

With all that being said I wouldn't be upset if they took him in the 2nd. I would have to trust TD.

angneli

March 24th, 2003, 9:19:25 AM

McGahee will not be the same. I think we should grab someone who can play now, contribute now.

TigerJ

March 24th, 2003, 9:30:07 AM

I like McGahee, like everyone does, but I think it is a mistake to inflate his worth. Yes, healthy, he is probably the top back this year, a weak year for RBs. Remember that one reason he entered the draft despite coming off a major injury and surgery is the fact that the Hurricanes have a BETTER back coming back from injury in the fall. McGahee saw the handwriting on the wall and knew that he would not get the playing time at the U. of Miami and his draft status would decline next year. I would consider McGahee, but not in R1.

jdesz36

March 24th, 2003, 9:35:20 AM

A questionable knee injury is one thing, but there isn't anything questionable about what happened to McGahee, everybody knows what happened and nobody knows how he's going to come back. I wouldn't use a pick on him, regardless of potential or "best player available" ratings, and especially considering the fact that TH is only in his third year it's just crazy talk. It's not like this is the only time (year) we'll be able to draft a back with potential, let somebody else take him, we don't need him.

Range Roamer

March 24th, 2003, 9:56:14 AM

We have an opportunity to get a guy like J McDougle, Correy Redding, maybe Holt, or one of the guys who always seem to fall into the second round. There are so many proven players and The question is, Should we take a chance on McGahee? Dah!!
Enough of the we took a chance with thurman talk. Thurman had been on his way significantly with his rehab. He went through an extensive physical before we picked him. McGahee is not even ready for that. We can elevate the level of this teams depth much better than by selecting McGahee in the second round.

darthokeefe

March 24th, 2003, 10:27:40 AM

In 10 years will anyone remember Corey Redding or Holt?

I'm Talking SUPERSTAR, your all shortsighted.

When T.Henry starts lookin for a 15 mil signing bonus it would be good to have a little insurance, like reed was for Price. You never know if we'll be in position to sign him.

BBDAVE7

March 24th, 2003, 10:36:09 AM

Take the best available D lineman. DT or DE. I think we need help at WR now to. I'm OK with Reed, but we need another Peerless Price burner type to help Eric Moulds out.

jdesz36

March 24th, 2003, 11:19:53 AM

Originally posted by darthokeefe
In 10 years will anyone remember Corey Redding or Holt?

I'm Talking SUPERSTAR, your all shortsighted.

When T.Henry starts lookin for a 15 mil signing bonus it would be good to have a little insurance, like reed was for Price. You never know if we'll be in position to sign him.

In ten years will anyone remember Willis McGahee, that's the bigger question?? Superstars aren't built by hype alone, performance is THE determining factor and I'm willing to bet McGahee's peformance won't be that of a superstar. After an inury like that I just can't buy into it. I'm not being shortsighted, just realistic, or pessimistic, however you want to look at it.

darkside305

March 24th, 2003, 2:43:10 PM

YOu cant put your whole trust in Henry becuase he is like every other player in the NFL, 1 Just ONE bad hit from being and Ex-Nfl player. The Nfl is so unpredictable one moment he is a star the next he can barely walk to the water fountain ( remember T. Davis) Maghee would be a great pick up and a great insurance plan, like it pays to have a good back up at QB the same can also be said for RB

darkside305

March 24th, 2003, 2:46:35 PM

Hey jdez36, Buffalo had another running back who blew out his knees and was drafted in the 2rd round and after 10 years I we all will still be remembering and talking about the great one T. Thomas. There is a 50 -50 chance that Maghee will be a star or a bust, but i think the chances of him being a star is definatly alot better. with this injury he will be pushing himself to improve himself and also to perform well to make up for the money/MILLIONS he lost

D-Rocafella

March 24th, 2003, 2:50:56 PM

You talk about Henry wanting all that money once his contract is up and that's why we should draft Willis. But if he is such a superstar, then he will demand Henry money as well. But don't worry about Henry. When his time comes he will get paid what he deserves.

Range Roamer

March 24th, 2003, 3:01:41 PM

Well said D-Roc, It's this talk about comparing McGahee to Thurman that has me thinking what are theese guy's on. Thurman was injured in his junior year and had his whole senior year to recoup. He was able to show enough improvement from his injury that the bills were willing to take a chance in the second round on him. No way, absolutley no way would the bills have taken thurman earlier than a third round if he had gotten hurt his senior year.

The Beef

March 24th, 2003, 6:14:12 PM

Yep, we're going to remember McGahee 10 years from now, because everytime it's Bowl seasons, Willis is going to be discussed. It's either going to be, "McGahee still going strong" or "The day Willis lost it atll", so yes, people are going to remember Willis McGahee 10 years from now.

John from Hemet

March 24th, 2003, 6:40:48 PM

In my opinion if we dont take the Haynes or Kelsay (one will be available) we will have made a mistake.....

These guys according to NFL anaysts carry the "potential franchise player" lable....and we need a difference maker at DE. We are solid there but not anything that would keep a OC up at night......

naeliac

March 24th, 2003, 7:05:59 PM

you know some stud is gonna fall and TD is just gonna scoop him up.

As Far as RBs go, i just want a super speedster who can catch a bit. A 3rd down back who can be a change of pace for Henry, we need more than one credible running threat.

gwillrich

March 24th, 2003, 9:16:20 PM

I've said in another thread but I'll say it again - I love the idea of taking a chance on Willis McGahee. Clinton Portis was the NFL rookie of the year last year. Before his injury, McGahee was a bigger, faster, more productive player at the same position at the same school. Of course there's no guarantee that he'll make it back but I'd be thrilled if TD took a chance on Willis in the second round.

Because if TD takes him, you know he'll have been checked out and well on the road to recovery. I heard ESPN ran some footage recently of McGahee jumping up and down on his bad leg while catching a medicine ball - not too shaby for a guy only a few months removed from major knee surgury. The comparison to Thurm is probably stretching it a bit but I'm all for taking a chance on this guy.

Flatlander

March 24th, 2003, 9:35:57 PM

Yes, Thurman Thomas was great in the NFL after suffering a knee injury in college. But there are also backs like KiJana Carter and Blair Thomas that were taken high but never did anything becasue of injuries. If you want to take a chance on him, do it no sooner than the 2nd round.

darthokeefe

March 25th, 2003, 8:23:58 AM

D-ROC McGahee is in no position to demand superstar money and he knows it thisyear will be a redshirt one for him, rehab city. He'll need to play hard, impress, and prove hes healthy before he can command the Jack. Duhh.

darthokeefe

March 25th, 2003, 8:26:47 AM

Oh btw

Hes from Miami not Penn State, penn state runningbacks suck

mykiljonz

March 25th, 2003, 8:42:21 AM

Also, Priest Holmes is a back that came back from this injury. I do not know about you guys, but he is a MONSTER.

All picks in the NFL are kinda like the lottery anyway. All I am saying is that with TH's contract up, a chance at #48 for him would be worth the risk to me. If it did not work out, TD should not get any crap from anyone, cause it IS a risk. A risk I think we should take.

GO BILLS---

I could see the Raiders and insane Al D taking a chance on him in the 1st, since they have 2 picks anyway.

jdesz36

March 25th, 2003, 9:30:06 AM

Originally posted by darkside305
Hey jdez36, Buffalo had another running back who blew out his knees and was drafted in the 2rd round and after 10 years I we all will still be remembering and talking about the great one T. Thomas. There is a 50 -50 chance that Maghee will be a star or a bust, but i think the chances of him being a star is definatly alot better. with this injury he will be pushing himself to improve himself and also to perform well to make up for the money/MILLIONS he lost

Really? I wasn't aware of that.

But seriously, Thurman wasn't coming out of college as damaged goods. He was able to rehab and prove himself his senior year, McGahee hasn't proven anything yet. Sure there are videos of him jumping up and down while catching medicine balls, etc., but ask anyone that has had that type of injury, it's the lateral movements, ability to plant and change direction or just the mental ability to not be gun shy that is the true testament to how the player has recovered. I don't have a problem with the guy in the draft, or being picked, hell if Buffalo was to actually take him in the second round I'd support it and hope for the best, but I just think using a second round pick on the guy wouldn't be prudent.

As for people saying Henry will want the big contract in the coming years, so what? One minute everyone is lovin' on Travis, comparing him to Rickey, Priest, et al, but now it's starting to sound like people don't think he'll be worth that type of scratch. If he proves out to be a top 5 back in the league why shouldn't he get the contract he rightly deserves?

jdesz36

March 25th, 2003, 9:36:32 AM

Originally posted by darkside305
YOu cant put your whole trust in Henry becuase he is like every other player in the NFL, 1 Just ONE bad hit from being and Ex-Nfl player. The Nfl is so unpredictable one moment he is a star the next he can barely walk to the water fountain ( remember T. Davis) Maghee would be a great pick up and a great insurance plan, like it pays to have a good back up at QB the same can also be said for RB

What are you talking about??? McGahee already had his one big hit from Will Allen in the Fiesta Bowl and he won't be ready for 2003, and we don't know if he'll be ready ever again? Who's to say McGahee won't have the same lasting effects that Terrell Davis is experiencing? Hell, McGahee might never reach the "Ex-NFL player" status, he might go down in history as a great, great collegiate back whose career was, unfortunately, cut short by injury. And to your point, if Henry should be injured in '03 how could McGahee possibly help us when it's already been stated he most likely won't be available until '04.

angneli

March 25th, 2003, 9:55:45 AM

Originally posted by darkside305
There is a 50 -50 chance that Maghee will be a star or a bust, but i think the chances of him being a star is definatly alot better.

How can his chances of being a star be better if you already said his chances are 50/50?:rolleyes:

I agree with taking a potential change of pace back.

Griffin will be a great third down back. He catches as well as centers did, but he makes people miss. Plus he was a four year starter with NO injuries. And he'll be available later in the draft.