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McD

March 7th, 2003, 12:25:13 PM

angneli

March 7th, 2003, 12:26:17 PM

With the 23rd pick in the NFL Draft the Bills select.

Rasheen Mathis FS Bethune-Cookman

Max997

March 7th, 2003, 12:26:50 PM

Mike Doss - Safety Ohio State
Jonathan Sullivan - DT Georgia
Michael Haynes - DE Penn St

but my guess is he will trade the pick, probbaly trade down(maybe with Green Bay) so the Pacj can take Rex (extremely overrated ) Grossman. Because with the Steelers picking 27 and the Pack picking 29 I dont think the Pack want to risk it

N.Y. Orangeman

March 7th, 2003, 1:12:47 PM

Corey Redding, DE, 6'4" 270lbs, UT

askabry

March 7th, 2003, 1:25:17 PM

Originally posted by Lord Berman
Speaking of the draft.. Remember when we all gasped and shook our heads when they called Josh Reed's name last spring... Well it turned out to be a genius move. TD knew last year that Price would go for the big contract and protected himself. If we had not drafted Reed we would be in a totally different situation right now.... I sleep well knowing TD is running the Bills

This isn't true, and ignores the basic timeline. The deal for Drew Bledsoe wasn't complete until the second day of the draft; at the time the Bills picked up Josh Reed, the likely starting QB for the Bills was either AVP or possibly, Blake.

There wasn't even a whisper that Price was en route to a monster season. I mean, he obviously was aware that Price's contract was due in one year. The selection of Reed was simply a value pick, that's all. It's what good GMs do all over football.

admarc

March 7th, 2003, 2:17:16 PM

Believe me TD knew that Price was in his contract year and that having a young WR ready to step in was key insurance.

SquishDaFish

March 7th, 2003, 2:18:05 PM

I really do believe that TD had the foresight to all of this. It was just a matter of where PP was going to wind up. None of us really know what goes on behind the closed doors of the upper echelon. TD new that PP was going to want big money and got JR. Question now is... if Takeo becomes a Bill does TD still pursue Sam Adams. What position becomes a priority pick at the number 23 spot? I haven't a clue now. The weakest postion would be the secondary for sure, but probably does not need a number one pick. My guess then might be the best DE available, or the Bills don't go for Sam Adams and look at drafting a DT. If we get both Takeo and Sam the Bill's can make a viable Super Bowl run. Just makes the draft a little cloudier... would be a nice position to be in!!!

jdesz36

March 7th, 2003, 2:27:39 PM

Originally posted by dwightdrane
Mike Doss, Safety, THE Ohio State University

How sweet would that be, 3/4 of the D-backfield tOSU Buckeyes! From what I hear/read though it looks like Pittsburgh really wants Doss. I wouldn't mind seeing Kenny Peterson suiting up for Buffalo either.

bugeater

March 7th, 2003, 5:39:36 PM

I get the feeling the majority are leaning toward DT or DE. My bet is TD will surprise, like he did with Reed last year, and get a DB. Winfield may be the PP of 2004 and there are a few good CBs that should be available. Andre Woolfolk, Dennis Weathersby and my personal favorite Rashean Mathis.

We could use a good third CB at any rate and Mathis is a CB/FS hybrid who did 22 reps of the 225 lbs. That's more than most linebackers and some lineman. A nice fit in the 46 D. Plus he retuns kicks.

mixum

March 7th, 2003, 5:47:55 PM

I read TD would sign winfield before next season starts!!!

YardRat

March 7th, 2003, 5:48:34 PM

If Adams signs, it wouldn't surprise me to see TD go D-back, either with #23. Safeties need depth, Winfield's up next year, Watson will be gone and Jenkins already is.

I'd still prefer to get a couple of level 2 FA's for the secondary (Dorsett), though, and get another D-lineman in the first round.

jmac

March 7th, 2003, 5:50:59 PM

Jonathan Sullivan will be a monster in the NFL!

YardRat

March 7th, 2003, 5:57:28 PM

:welcome: to the Range, bugeater !!

reeves84

March 7th, 2003, 6:02:01 PM

jmac

Welcome to the BBI posters union!

SquishDaFish

March 7th, 2003, 6:10:01 PM

Winfield won't be the PP of next year. PP was not as feartured as Winfield. Winfield is a marquee player... Price was not. Moulds held that distiction on offense. Besides why would you want to get rid of the best tackling CB in the league?

matthew94

March 7th, 2003, 6:28:42 PM

i do think, however, that it would be wise to try to sign winfield and clements to long term deals this offseason...even if it prevents us from signing more free agents beyond spikes

RockyTopBill

March 7th, 2003, 6:39:30 PM

If we get Spikes, then I think we are set at linebacker w/ Fletcher, Posey, and Spoon. I think Mike Doss (Ohio State) would be a logical choice, since we need another quality safety to go along w/ Coy Wire (who stepped up nicely last year). I think we should address the DL in the 2nd round by drafting a player like Kindal Moorehead out of Alabama.

mac60jus

March 7th, 2003, 6:40:10 PM

Why? So that you can get some turnovers, altough most of us Bills fans are just used to us turning the ball over, it is possible that we make some turnovers once in a while and that would be possible if we got some more aggressive corners in the draft.

nukedawg

March 7th, 2003, 6:41:23 PM

Peterson Ohio St. DL

RockyTopBill

March 7th, 2003, 6:46:05 PM

Mac60jus, If we get good linebackers and DL in here that can get a pass rush on the opposing teams QB, it will lead to our CB (Winefield and Clement who are pretty good) getting more turnovers and looking better as covering opposing WR.

John from Hemet

March 7th, 2003, 7:41:33 PM

I dont think there is any way we let Winfield get away....

Winfield is NOT Peerless Price...WInfield has been a mainstay for this team for a NUMBER of years and gives it all each and every game......

Peerless had a great year last year....no doubt about it....but you don't go through the trouble of getting together 2 lockdown corners...finally getting the linemen and linebackers in front of them to generate pressure....and then let them go....

Winfield stands to have a HUGE season this year along with Clements....given the fact that teams are going to be forced to throw on us because they cannot run (Adams will make a huge difference here) and the fact that QB's are going to be running for their lives with the improved pass rush......

Also....the bills are going to be in even better cap shape NEXT year as all of the dead money drops off the books....they can afford to pay Winfield what he is worth.....

bmax

March 7th, 2003, 7:52:01 PM

First of all i was happy we drafted reed last year ..living in SEC country i saw alot of reed and boy was i impressed he reminded me of the last reed we had at wr...

AND I GUESS HE TURNED OUT OK !!!!! So what do we do now ? HMM ?
Well as much as i love the ohio st buckeyes and doss..

Dline is place to go....Look safties are a dime a dozen you can find them in rounds 3 thru 5.. But a dominant d-line is tough to find eachand every year...

My first choice would Kevin williams from ok st..but since he has just skyrocketed up most boards he will be gone by 23....

SO I SAY THE CHOICE COMES DOWN TO 6 OR 7 GUYS

1. Kenny peterson -ohio st-rated-late first -can play dt or de-quick play he destrys o-line men
2. j sullivan -uga-dt-mid to late first-massive guy with big upside
3.d. robertson-dt ken..-mid to late first-look at sullivan same type of guy
4. w. joseph-miami-dt- sliding down down boards-film on him not as good as thought... wher will he land is anybody guess ?
5. j. ncdougle-miami-had great work at miami pro day and senior bowl - good edge rusher..tom d likes his work
6. corey redding -de texas-i like he pass rush ability- needs to be more consistent
7. c. kelsey -neb.-de-quick edge guy who has big motor.. non- stop player in grant winstrom mold...-4. 70 40...6-4 270-
tom d. was quoted as saying along with many other scouts that miami dline had 7-8 guys who might get drafted...

one guy to watch out for in r2 or 3 is a.williams-decent size at 6-2 and 270 and ran good 4.75 40 time... my guess that we will get some beef up front early in round 1 and possibly later in round 3.....

One of these guys wwill be available when we pick..
cb and safties can wait till round 2 or 4....

Go bills
Bmax

TripleMPR

March 7th, 2003, 7:52:09 PM

Originally posted by dwightdrane
Mike Doss, Safety, THE Ohio State University

I SOOOOOOOOOO Second that!! Just think,Windfield,Clements,and DOSS!!!!!!! All From THE Ohio State Universtiy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Mouldsie

March 7th, 2003, 10:28:54 PM

Kenny Peterson.

TD LOVES him!

keyron79

March 7th, 2003, 11:17:14 PM

TD will take the best player available regruadless of position!

BillsFootball75

March 8th, 2003, 1:54:48 AM

i say kevin williams Oklahomas State, can rush or defesne the run and has 4.8 speed, amazing player and amazing athletic ability, is the best DT in this draft, bar none

BuffaloRanger

March 8th, 2003, 3:16:55 AM

Nobody has mentioned the Bills lack of depth on Oline. Bills need to draft OG in the first 2rds for sure.

Could get the best one with the 23rd pick.

Late 1st Rd safetys don't have an immediate impact. Sign Knight.

McD

March 8th, 2003, 6:18:01 AM

Still need young D line help.

sarasota

March 8th, 2003, 8:12:44 AM

IF the Bills sign Adams soon, which I expect they might, I just don't see them going any DL position early in the draft. Chances are they will only carry nine DL's and whom do you replace on the current roster? They'll probably have 4 DT's, 4 DE'd and a guy who can play both. The DT's will be Williams, Adams, Bannan and Edwards (the latter two are young draftees of Donohoe - hard to believe he will get rid rid of either so early in their careers). The DE's are Schobel, Jones (if healthy), Denney, Irons and Mckenzie. Denney and Irons are also young Donohoe guys. Jones can play both DT and DE. The only wild card is Mckenzie and he is the most likely to be replaced if a DE is picked. Therefore, I see us loading up on safety, cornerback (the Winfield contingency plan), backup offensive line, especially guard (no depth here and Brown is aging), and linebacker. Just my thought after looking at the roster and with an eye toward Donohoe's forward thinking.

coastal

March 8th, 2003, 8:59:10 AM

Sarasota is absolutely right on the money with this one. Look for secondary or OL depth with the 23rd pick.

zevo

March 8th, 2003, 9:52:09 AM

Boss Bailey! He can also play safety!

EvilBigD

March 8th, 2003, 9:55:33 AM

I think they will take the best Defensive End available, I also think they might take a chance on McGahee in the 3rd round!

reeves84

March 8th, 2003, 4:03:44 PM

Which do we need most - a safety or an end?

dwightdrane

March 8th, 2003, 4:26:50 PM

i'm telling you boys...Greg and Tommy Boy are seeing the tapes of Mike Doss this season and previous seasons. He would be a defensive and special teams leader for 10years.

THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE OSU!

reeves84

March 8th, 2003, 4:28:40 PM

dwightdrane - If he is that good, will he last to #23?

dwightdrane

March 8th, 2003, 4:30:57 PM

reeves. yes. he has been slipping of late due to his cover skills. The longest he will last would be #27 to pitt.

TigerJ

March 8th, 2003, 7:31:04 PM

Kenny Peterson

Might

March 8th, 2003, 7:42:35 PM

I'd really like to see Rashean Mathis picked at 23. He's had 29 career INTs at Bethune-Cookman, returned punts, kicks, played WR, FS, and CB. Sounds like a Secondary Version of Brian Urlacher. I don't think he's a hard hitter really, but he's like 6'1" 190. Definite playmaker.

gwillrich

March 8th, 2003, 10:27:36 PM

You do realize that making plays for Bethune-Cookman is similar to making plays for a pretty good high-school program? I mean its not like B-C was in the mix for a BCS bowl bid. I'd be happy to pick up Rashean Mathis along the way but I think we have to check our enthusiasm by remembering that he hasn't ever played against even a moderate level of competition. I'd be happier if we could snag Mathis at 2 or 3.

gwillrich

March 8th, 2003, 10:36:09 PM

dwightdrane, are you actually Mike Doss himself, logging in with positive comments in order to land a big contract as a first round draft pick?

I think if TD really looked at tape of Doss he'd see a terrific college player who's probably a little too small and a little too slow to make an impact in the NFL. In the couple of games I watched, it seemed his lack of coverage skills were exploited by the mediocre passing attacks of Purdue and Illinois. I kept waiting and waiting to see some of the huge plays Doss has a reputation for but never did. For a guy with a helmet full of Buckeyes he didn't seem to do much in the games.

I don't mean to bust on your boy (or on you if you are actually Mike Doss) but I just don't think he'd do a lot for our squad. I'd hate to invest a first round pick and first round dollars in a guy who ends up as nothing more than a great contributor on special teams.

askabry

March 8th, 2003, 10:45:07 PM

Originally posted by Might
I'd really like to see Rashean Mathis picked at 23. He's had 29 career INTs at Bethune-Cookman, returned punts, kicks, played WR, FS, and CB. Sounds like a Secondary Version of Brian Urlacher. I don't think he's a hard hitter really, but he's like 6'1" 190. Definite playmaker.

Sorry...I think this Mathis is a player, big-time. As one AFC Scout said, "I don't care if he was playing Junior High...23 interceptions is a lot of productivity."

But there are two kinds of players Tom is not real big on..."work out warriors"- which Mathis is quickly getting taqged with- and small college players. He does like productivity, but I'd think the chance of Donahoe picking Mathis is extremely small.

Jus' my HO.

bills juggernaut

March 9th, 2003, 12:26:48 AM

I think the TD takes the best pass rushing DE availible like Haynes from Penn State or Redding from...... is it Texas? We are going into next season with only one reliable DE in Schobel and with Jones who right now is a big question mark. Bring in a young kid with some pass rushing skills on a situational basis and I think he would have the biggest impact for the Bills next year.

MADSHERIFF

March 9th, 2003, 12:55:06 AM

I'll bet the TD will some how land Jerome McDougle. TD has been scouting him for two years, that is a lot of time to put into one player. And now with the opportunity to get him in the first round, TD will once again shine on draft day. He'll make a trade that lands us McDougle and that will give us a young player to rush the QB.

dwightdrane

March 9th, 2003, 1:24:07 AM

gwillrich.

ok...you watched the illini and purdue game and say doss was getting burned? ok...purdue was a top offense in the nation going into that game. They didnt score 1 td. who is the Captain of the defense? Oh, Mike Doss.

did you watch him vs Michigan? He was everywhere. tackle after tackle.

vs Miami. Best passing college football team ever. held them to 17 regulation points. Captain of the de? Mike Doss. Had a huuuuuge INT in the 1st half.

bottom line. this kid can play.

maybe i am mike doss.......................

Preacher05

March 9th, 2003, 1:29:25 AM

Is Doss more of a SS or a FS? Sorry my OSU knowledge isn't quite up to Par

Ingtar33

March 9th, 2003, 1:35:34 AM

Doss is a shorter version of Coy Wire...

Lots of hit... lots of run stuffing... no cover ability (decent nose for the ball though)... not FS material

Preacher05

March 9th, 2003, 1:45:07 AM

Let's forget about Doss... Sorry OSU fans... If we wanted a safety like Doss we could just sign Rodeney Harrison or one of the other hard hitting safeties in FA. I think Doss played well for OSU but I think Wire is fine for us at SS.

Tatonka

March 9th, 2003, 3:53:45 AM

bills trade up and get boss bailey if NE passes on him with their first pick.

Tatonka

March 9th, 2003, 4:13:58 AM

mike doss will not be a bill.

McD

March 9th, 2003, 4:21:01 AM

DL!!!

askabry

March 9th, 2003, 7:22:24 AM

Originally posted by Tatonka
bills trade up and get boss bailey if NE passes on him with their first pick.

There's no way the Bills look to get Boss Bailey. This guy is the antithesis of the classic Donahoe pick. Most of his college career was basically unproductive; he's been an injury magnet his entire career; there are more holes in his game than in a dozen donuts; and he is main claim to fame other than being a brother to Champ is being a workout warrior.

It would shock me to the core if the Bills pick Bailey, much less move up to do so.

D-Rocafella

March 9th, 2003, 10:15:42 AM

with the 23rd pick the Bills select the best defensive tackle available.

gwillrich

March 9th, 2003, 10:27:38 AM

I think ask is correct. Although Bailey is the mac in terms of athleticism, he hasn't really produced results. His tackle numbers were pretty good last year but I've read more about the fact the missed a lot of tackles.

Boss would also be hard to fit in if we sign Spikes. Although he showed up weighing 233 at the combine, I'm guessing he'll sweat back down to 215-220 during training camp. That leaves weakside as our only option and I don't see the coaches moving the newly aquired Spikes just to accomodate a rookie.

I'm hoping for a young DT or DE but I agree with the general sentiment that TD will take the best player available or trade down. That's pretty much what he's done so far with the Bills.

Lord Berman

March 9th, 2003, 10:36:26 AM

Needs are DT and DE....but as I said in my earlier post I think TD's strenght is his ability to see moves down the road. For example do we go for a top-flight CB if one is available... knowing we may not be able to keep Clements and Winfield for the long haul

angneli

March 9th, 2003, 10:58:22 AM

Chris Kelsay, was an unbelievable player at Nebraska. He would be a good pick also. If Mathis could slide down to our second round pick.

4nic8ion

March 9th, 2003, 11:13:48 AM

Mike Haynes from Penn State had a great Senior Bowl, he was unstoppable. Draft experts said he dominated all week in practice, and he was huge in the game. If not I like E.J. Henderson he makes plays.

jdesz36

March 9th, 2003, 11:31:15 AM

Originally posted by gwillrich
dwightdrane, are you actually Mike Doss himself, logging in with positive comments in order to land a big contract as a first round draft pick?

I think if TD really looked at tape of Doss he'd see a terrific college player who's probably a little too small and a little too slow to make an impact in the NFL. In the couple of games I watched, it seemed his lack of coverage skills were exploited by the mediocre passing attacks of Purdue and Illinois. I kept waiting and waiting to see some of the huge plays Doss has a reputation for but never did. For a guy with a helmet full of Buckeyes he didn't seem to do much in the games.

I don't mean to bust on your boy (or on you if you are actually Mike Doss) but I just don't think he'd do a lot for our squad. I'd hate to invest a first round pick and first round dollars in a guy who ends up as nothing more than a great contributor on special teams.

You aren't the only one with this similar take on Mike Doss, that's really been the knock on him all along is that his skills in pass coverage weren't the greatest. However, 2002 was a little different year from the past three as tOSU had a lot of questions going into the season as far as their secondary was concerned. They went into the season with two relatively inexperienced CBs (Dustin Fox and Richard McNutt), the safeties (Doss and Donnie Nickey) were forced to play bigger roles in pass defense and the safeties were exposed a little.

Doss is indeed a bit undersized (height), but I think his talent is unquestionable. Each of his four years at tOSU he came up with big plays. In the Michigan game he pretty much accounted for the shutting down of the scUM offense, #2 was everywhere to be seen on the field (I know I was there). And if you were able to talk to the coaches (Jim Tressel et al) you'd find out that he graded out each game almost perfect. The big plays (ie turnovers) weren't as many in 2002, but every game he was in the right place on every play. The Buckeye stickers you refer to aren't rewarded for things such as TO's and big hits, tape gets reviewed and are rewards are given out for all aspects. The kid knows how to play defense and knows where he should be on every snap of the game.

Obviously, with all that said, you can tell I'm a huge tOSU fan, and I'd love to see Doss roaming the defensive backfield for Buffalo, but I still think there are more important positions for the Bills to address in the first round.

Preacher05

March 9th, 2003, 12:42:23 PM

Why would we want to sign Boss Bailey if we already have Spikes, Fletcher, and Posey?

askabry

March 9th, 2003, 12:50:10 PM

Originally posted by Lord Berman
Needs are DT and DE....but as I said in my earlier post I think TD's strenght is his ability to see moves down the road. For example do we go for a top-flight CB if one is available... knowing we may not be able to keep Clements and Winfield for the long haul

always take BPA, and if it's a tie or close go for need. The backup today starts next year.

And insofar as "need" goes...let's try this--->

OL- Ruben's getting old, Sullivan's contract is up.
WR- A clear need.
TE- Campbell...game breaker? Nope.
QB- Drew's contract needs renegotiating in 2004
RB- Travis is alone in the backfield.
DL- of course- either end or tackle
DB- gotta line up replacements
FS- Definitely
LB- Posey isn't a sure thing, if he fails, you're relying on DaShon Polk, Spoon.

jjm19672000

March 9th, 2003, 12:52:10 PM

Highest-rated player available. That's how we got Reed last year.

RixBills

March 9th, 2003, 3:29:26 PM

I'd like DT Kennedy or Sullivan!!!! I don't care how we get either one of them, BUT GET ONE!!

billsfaninfla

March 12th, 2003, 2:33:09 PM

Now that the Bills have a first round pick, how do you think TD will use that pick?

SME

March 12th, 2003, 9:15:23 PM

This question is asked every year. If I remember right, last year I said we'd trade down because I thought that TD couldn't control his wheeling and dealing ways ... and if we couldn't find the right deal we'd take S, Roy Williams. Wrong on both accounts! (I'm still evaluating whether Big Mike or Roy is the better value.) I also said that we'd never get Bledsoe. (Wrong again ... and damn glad of it!)

Knowing that my batting average is doo-doo, I'll say that TD will:
1) sign either a DT or DE from free agency ...
2) not trade his/our first round pick ...
3) use the 23rd pick overall for the best football player available ...
4) see that, due to sheer numbers, the best football players available at #23 will be a defensive linemen ...
5) have to decide between 300 pound DT, Kevin Williams (Oklahoma State) or 275 pound DE, Michael Haynes (Penn State) ... and it will depend on whether he signed a DT or a DE in free agency ... I'll say he picks DT, Kevin Williams.

(I hope that doesn't jinx Kevin Williams.)

The Beef

March 12th, 2003, 9:21:54 PM

A DE looks like the sensible choice, but I hope we get a DT that can come in and get a good rotation going on with Sam and Pat. and be able to move outside and make some plays from the DE spot as well. A Keith Traylor type of player if you would. Unless of course Boss Bailey somehow slipped, which isn't going to happen, but it's nice to dream. I like Posey, but I like him more as a pass rushing epcialist then and every down backer.

angneli

March 12th, 2003, 9:28:12 PM

Kevin Williams or Chris Kelsay.

DeathAdder

March 12th, 2003, 9:34:46 PM

If we lock up Sam Adams for a couple years then I feel we should draft a safety in the first round for depth. I feel we should take Mike Doss with our first round pick!

angneli

March 12th, 2003, 9:38:36 PM

I like Doss but I am not sure if he can be a FS. Draft DL in the first Mathis in the second.

Mouldsie

March 12th, 2003, 9:55:18 PM

Kenny Peterson baby

darthokeefe

March 12th, 2003, 10:12:02 PM

Two words Baby

.......Julius Peppers........

The Bills could use a speedy pass rusher

Tatonka

March 12th, 2003, 10:35:09 PM

i would like to know what d lineman they are gonna cut if we draft one, either de or dt?? i am assuming we sign adams. we normally keep 9 total DLmen

schobel - lock
williams - lock
adams - lock
jones - lock if healthy
mckenzie - lock (vet leadership, productive)
robertson - could still turn into something solid, TD drafted him
bannan - td drafted him, could be solid w/ experience
denny - 2nd round pick, no playing time, TD drafted him
irons - imho, played very well when given limited opportunities

i want to know who is gonna go if we take anyone in the draft?

i dont see td cutting one of his guys he just drafted.

MADSHERIFF

March 12th, 2003, 10:38:19 PM

Jerome McDougle from Miami U.

YardRat

March 12th, 2003, 10:44:13 PM

If TD signs Adams and brings in another vet FA at safety, I say TD trades down to try and get 3 picks out of the top 50, then goes for the best player available regardless of position.

(Not my opinion of what I think he should do, but rather what I think he will do, BTW)

BuffaloRanger

March 13th, 2003, 12:15:01 AM

Originally posted by Tatonka
i would like to know what d lineman they are gonna cut if we draft one, either de or dt?? i am assuming we sign adams. we normally keep 9 total DLmen

i want to know who is gonna go if we take anyone in the draft?

i dont see td cutting one of his guys he just drafted.

I too have tried to make this point. Alot of people have blinders on thinking we'll be taking D-line. If we don't upgrade in FA, that's a given. But TD isn't going to give up on Denney, a guy he traded up to pick. The starters on D-line seem pretty much set.

I highly doubt we go Safety. Late 1st Rd safetys don't have much impact their rookie year. And then our Safetys would be too young. But maybe the fact that the Bills haven't shown interest in a FA SS could be a sign they are waiting for the draft.

emouldman80

March 13th, 2003, 12:24:22 AM

No way we bring in a DE in Rd. 1, NO WAY. It would be a waste, we have our starters (although they could be better), and we have more than we can handle already. Alot of potential and quite a few of them haven't been given an opporitunity yet because we have alot of depth, mainly Denney, Irons. I say we wait a year on the DE and see how this position pans out for us. We don't want to go drafting more guys when we MAY have what we need already. In the 1st I think we take a WR, DT or a FS. And I said FS! That does not include Mike Doss, he is a natural SS. I like Troy Polamula and love Ken Hamlin. I belive we will draft one of these positions with our 1st depending on what happens with Adams and the rest of free agency.

keyron79

March 13th, 2003, 12:58:18 AM

I agree we are not going to take an DE in the frist round and I don't think we/he is going S I think we will address that in the 2ed round I belive TD is going with the best player available and that will be E.J. HENDERSON I know it's reach but we have no dethp at LB after Spoon.

CollisionCourse1

March 13th, 2003, 8:47:04 AM

Last year I lobbied to no end to take Harrington, and TD was gonna draft him until Detroit took him, my guess last year was Harrington, if available, if not, draft Williams. This year I say, draft a stud DT, then Hamelin with our #2 pick.

1968_bills_fan

March 13th, 2003, 9:56:27 AM

Jerome McDougle from Miami U. The Bills defense is predicated on disrupting the blocking schemes of the other team by "shooting" speed DE's, LB or big safeties into the offensive backfield or into gaps. It can have big plays such as QBsacks or tackles for loss in the backfield, which create 2 or 3 & long situations. We now are short a "freek" DE, block-absorbing (or penetrating) DT and a 3rd CB. McDougle is the best choice and big speed rushers are a hard commatity to find.

dwightdrane

March 13th, 2003, 10:01:02 AM

Mike Doss, S, THE Ohio State University

keyron79

March 13th, 2003, 1:23:07 PM

Originally posted by dwightdrane
Mike Doss, S, THE Ohio State University

NO! Not with the 23er pick he will be there with are 2ed. round pick!

michael713

March 13th, 2003, 1:37:18 PM

I have to go with Kenny Peterson...He is a versatile player which can play DT and DE...The Bills could use a little help on both of these positions...

BlueOnBlue

March 13th, 2003, 2:11:32 PM

doss cant play the pass, we already have two guys who cant play the pass in coy and pp. y another. if we sign sam adams we will have 2 giant run stuffers, we should go with a pass rushing dt or a tweener de/olb. i heard now that ne has colvin they will play 3-4 occasionally and put colvin and mcginnest on the outside giving them basically 4 ends rushing the passer. that is scary. we could take a guy like kelsay and lebeau's schemes would get this guy sacks. 2nd pick we should look and mathis or floyd

askabry

March 13th, 2003, 2:20:52 PM

Originally posted by Tatonka
i would like to know what d lineman they are gonna cut if we draft one, either de or dt?? i am assuming we sign adams. we normally keep 9 total DLmen

schobel - lock
williams - lock
adams - lock
jones - lock if healthy
mckenzie - lock (vet leadership, productive)
robertson - could still turn into something solid, TD drafted him
bannan - td drafted him, could be solid w/ experience
denny - 2nd round pick, no playing time, TD drafted him
irons - imho, played very well when given limited opportunities

i want to know who is gonna go if we take anyone in the draft?

i dont see td cutting one of his guys he just drafted.

Robertson will be cut just as soon as they legally can; Grant Irons, while a favorite of mine, is likely given the chance to go elsewhere. (In fact, I thought he wasn't offered an extension.)

So there you go- you need at least one if not two DLmen. Not exactly a screaming position of need, though.