Sick of Miami fans whining...

[Hsker4Life]

Am I the only one fed up with Miami fans crying and making excuses about their 23-10 loss to Buffalo? Sure, after they loss they came here and congratulated Buffalo. However, slowly but surely, they began making excuses and whining about the game.

A few points...

1.) Winfield is just as valuable, if not more, to Buffalo's defense as Fielder is to Miami's offense. In case you didn't notice, Winfield missed the game.
2.) Moulds, one of the best WR's in the league, had an injury and probably shouldn't have been in the game. But, warriors play through injuries. So what if Miami was missing a WR or so, they've NEVER had good WR's! Big deal!
3.) Mike Williams missed the game against one of the NFL's best defenses. Dave Moore also missed the game, and he is a big part of our running game.
4.) Injuries are a part of football...perhaps you should change sports and follow badmitton.

AND THE BIGGEST POINT:
If Miami's injuries were so damn terrible why did you guys spend the whole week preaching to us how Miami was going to destroy us???



As for Pedrorocks, Green Bay was KILLED with injuries when New England faced them, and you guys STILL got killed...AT HOME!:rolleyes:

[Pedrorocks458]

Who was out? I know Joe Johnson and Vonnie Holliday, but who else?

[hondo]

The miami crowd fails to realize that NOBODY CARES why you lost - the season moves forward. I hope they continue to wallow in their own pity and excuses so it takes energy away from their own ability to improve as a team.

We actually have a chance to go 2-0 against miami this year!

[askabry]

The Pack was short in the secondary as well, I believe. Two starting DEs...against a team that at the time was one of the top passing offenses in the NFL.

Yeah, you might call that a disadvantage.

[bduff54]

how can you say winfiedl is as valuable as fiiedler???? jesus man, gimme a break.

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by bduff54
how can you say winfiedl is as valuable as fiiedler???? jesus man, gimme a break.


EASILY! Not only is Winfield our best cover corner, but he is also our best tackler! Not having him in the game is like losing two players!

This is the same Jay Fiedler that numerous Miami fans wanted to see sit the bench for, you guess it, man, RAY LUCAS.

[NYFinsFan]

One of your own moderators recognizes you need to remove your head's out of your a$$es...Hsker4life...you need a serious dose of reality...You are dead wrong in two of your points.... Number one: Winfield being out was negated by the fact Miami had Chambers out...Winfield is like two players? They might be one of the most moronic statements ever spoken at this board....and have you ever heard of Chris Chambers? because you say that they have never had good wide receivers...He is only one of the best in the AFC...Miami fans keep bringing up the injuries and keep arguing because nimrods like yourself say foolish things that can't be ignored...

[RixBills]

Hey NYFinsFan, what's Chambers' stats so far? He is NOT one of the best receivers in the AFC, sorry. He's good, but NOT one of the best!!

Even if he is "one" of the best in the AFC, the Bills have THE TWO BEST in the AFC and TWO OF THE THREE BEST IN THE ENTIRE NFL!! Sit on that one for a while!

Face it, the Phins DO NOT have very good receivers, that's why the offense is so geared around Ricky. And yes, Ricky is one of THE BEST runningbacks in the NFL, but Henry is knocking on the door. But that's for another discussion!

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by NYFinsFan
One of your own moderators recognizes you need to remove your head's out of your a$$es...Hsker4life...you need a serious dose of reality...You are dead wrong in two of your points.... Number one: Winfield being out was negated by the fact Miami had Chambers out...Winfield is like two players? They might be one of the most moronic statements ever spoken at this board....and have you ever heard of Chris Chambers? because you say that they have never had good wide receivers...He is only one of the best in the AFC...Miami fans keep bringing up the injuries and keep arguing because nimrods like yourself say foolish things that can't be ignored...


LMFAO! Chambers one of the best WR's in the nation? Who has their head up their ass? Also, who cares is a moderator disagrees with me. Because they are a moderator does not automatically mean they know more than a non-moderator. One just needs to look at the typing and spelling skills...:)

Also, comparing Chambers to Winfield is a joke.

Keep in whining my friend. The fact is, we BOTH had injuries. We both had injuries that could affect a game. However, you guys were playing AT home, which should have aided Miami in the injury advantage. BUT YOU LOST! Plain and simple. You can whine all week, but the fact remains that Miami LOST 23-10, and it could have been worse.

[MVDaBomb]

I agree with your premise but you're wasting your time. And I agree about the significance of the Winfield injury. When I heard about it Friday that put a huge damper in my confidence that had been built up throughout the week.

But if Miami fans weren't whining, crying, and making excuses, well, they wouldn't be Miami fans now would they?

[FrankieA]

This is true

[Mouldsie]

---GB also was missing their PB FS, and both starting CB's includine McKenzie!

[Sparda]

Heck! miami fans are always whinning about miami's win or lose scenario's....so what's thee big deal? I just ignore there complaining and whinning all day, night & weekly.

:grin:

[FourthandNine]

Was it me or did that stadium look awfully empty for a sellout? I don't see any Miami players complaining about their fair weather fans!!!

[NYFinsFan]

I said Chambers is one of the best in the AFC...not the nation...What is this college football?...I was at the game, the stadium was not empty...The stadium really cleared out with about 5 minutes left when Lucas threw about his 27th interception...

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by NYFinsFan
I said Chambers is one of the best in the AFC...not the nation...What is this college football?...I was at the game, the stadium was not empty...The stadium really cleared out with about 5 minutes left when Lucas threw about his 27th interception...


Um, I guess I was unaware that "nation" can only apply to college football? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



Yes, I too loved watching Buffalo take the ball away so many times!

No matter how much you whine like a 3 year old kid, the scoreboard will remain the same, pal. It was 23-10 at the end of the game. It was 23-10 after the first day of whining from you and your fellow Miami fans. And it will still be 23-10 after the fast approaching 27th day of whining from Miami fans.

Did I mention 23-10?

[NYFinsFan]

You saying stupid sh#t, is the reason for my responses...The Bills won, congratulations, there is no changing that...Apparently there is also no changing your foolish posts...You need some serious reading comprehension help...(ie. I say Chambers is one of the best in the AFC and you say that I said he is one of the best in the NATION..Which by the way is never used in referring to a player in the NFL, only in college)

Dolphins had injuries but even with those injuries there is no excuse in losing to Buffalo...with a healthy team hopefully they can avenge that loss in December...If not than Buffalo is truly the better team and I was wrong...The Bills are in a good situation right now and Miami is not...That is life in the NFL...I am not whining I am stating a fact...What I am disputing is you continued attempts at diminishing the fact that Miami was not at full strength...

Stop saying things that make it seem like you have your head in your rear and we can put this foolish argument to rest...Buffalo has Detroit, Miami has a bye...Let's go from there

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by NYFinsFan
You saying stupid sh#t, is the reason for my responses...The Bills won, congratulations, there is no changing that...Apparently there is also no changing your foolish posts...You need some serious reading comprehension help...(ie. I say Chambers is one of the best in the AFC and you say that I said he is one of the best in the NATION..Which by the way is never used in referring to a player in the NFL, only in college)

Dolphins had injuries but even with those injuries there is no excuse in losing to Buffalo...with a healthy team hopefully they can avenge that loss in December...If not than Buffalo is truly the better team and I was wrong...The Bills are in a good situation right now and Miami is not...That is life in the NFL...I am not whining I am stating a fact...What I am disputing is you continued attempts at diminishing the fact that Miami was not at full strength...

Stop saying things that make it seem like you have your head in your rear and we can put this foolish argument to rest...Buffalo has Detroit, Miami has a bye...Let's go from there


LMAO, making a big deal over someone using NATION in describing a player in the NATIONAL Football League. Get a life.

Let's go from there? Hell, I wish it'd be that easy. YOU are the one on a BUFFALO BILLS board whining about injuries, my friend. Let it go NYFins...let it go.

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by NYFinsFan
They might be one of the most moronic statements ever spoken at this board....and have you ever heard of Chris Chambers? because you say that they have never had good wide receivers...He is only one of the best in the AFC...


Okay NYFins, you state Chambers is "only one of the best in the AFC."

Well, there are 30+ players in the AFC who have more receiving yards than Chambers.
There are also 30+ players in the AFC who have more receptions than Chambers.

WHAT makes Chambers one of the best WR's in the AFC? Talk about being biased!

[NYFinsFan]

Do you think that the fact that he hasn't played in the 7 quarters plays a role in that?

[jjm19672000]

It could, but to try to rank him as highly as some people do is absurd.

[FiveNines]

All this Miami talk makes me think were due for a letdown this Sunday.

In case if anyone wasn't aware, we play the Detroit Lions.

Think about that.......F Miami!

[jjm19672000]

And Miami plays who after their bye this week? GB?

[FiveNines]

Who cares about Miami! I just hope the bills aren't like this forum; still gloating over their Miami win 3 days later.....focus on Detroit.

.....Here, you want to talk about Miami how's this: what are Miami fans going to say if Detroit beats us????

[jjm19672000]

True, but you have to admit that this win was totally satisfying after the smack Miami fans talked all week.

[RixBills]

NYFinsFan, even when he was playing, he didn't do sh#t!!! Face it, he had a decent rookie year, and because he had a stand out game against a WASHED UP, OLD, SLOW Corner (Irvin, who is no longer with the Bills) all you Phin Phans think he's the greatest thing on your starting roster next to Ricky. Face it, he's not that great in that offense!! He will NEVER be great in that offense and he is CLEARLY, statistically, NOT one of the best receivers in the AFC, at least not this year! I noticed that you never responded to my post regarding Chambers. Remember, I was the one that said that he's not one of the best receivers in the AFC and to check his stats out.

And another thing, noone gives a crap if the Phins are at "full strength" or not. That's the beauty of the NFL, you never know....ever heard the phrase "any given Sunday?" Besides, I've seen PLENTY of teams win games with just as many injuries to starters, it's not our fault that Miami has NOONE that can step up with they need to!! Hell, at least the Bills had a secondary that took control, even without one of their STARTING Corners! Even Marcus Price has stepped up in place of Big Mike! Step out of your cloud of smoke because the Phins are a team that doesn't have players that can step up and they will continue to prove it!

Fiedler may not be a great QB, but at least he plays smart and THAT was your key to keeping the game close the other day, NOT YOUR WR's!! Boy, I can't wait to read all the excuses when Ricky misses a game or 2 due to injury, THEN you guys will have a valid point as far as not being "full strength" considering 60% or so of the offense is centered around Ricky.

[jjm19672000]

When we went 3-13 last year, we admitted we sucked and had almost no talent on the roster.

[RixBills]

We are fully aware of who we're playing this week FiveNines, but this "post" was about whiny Phin Phans. That is the beauty of a chat board, you can talk about whatever you want. Here's a thought FiveNine, why don't you start a new thread that talks about the Bills/Lions game! If you don't like what is being talked about, then move on to another thread and stop cluttering this one with nonsense. Either post your thoughts on this subject, start your own thread about what you want to discuss, or just read the posts, keep the comments to yourself and MOVE ON!

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by NYFinsFan
Do you think that the fact that he hasn't played in the 7 quarters plays a role in that?



Sure, that might make a difference between being ranked #35 or so or #25. But it still wouldn't put him in the Top15 in either category. So again NYFins, WHAT makes this guy "only one of the best receivers in the AFC"???

[FiveNines]

1 of 3 ********s in NorCal!

[Bufsabresnu]

The fact of the matter is they only had 1 more key injury than we did. Our guys just stepped up to the challenge and Miami's did not. NYfin, you might as well face the fact that Miami not having Chambers and the Bills not having Winfield is a wash. Winfield would have shut Chambers down had they played anyway. Oh yeah, the WRs you had in the game did have starting experience in prior years so what's the difference?

[jjm19672000]

The only difference is the fact that Miami fans can't live with the fact that their much-ballyhooed backups weren't good enough to win, depsite what they, the players, the analysts, and the odds makers said.

[WCoastFin]

This thread is a joke! ....there have been some moronic comments like "Winfield counts as 2 players out! ...hahaha give me a break....your "Pro Bowl" defense had an upper hand by not having the passing threat around....KC gets my respect they beat us fully loaded!

[Stanley Climbfall]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
This thread is a joke! ....there have been some moronic comments like "Winfield counts as 2 players out! ...hahaha give me a break....your "Pro Bowl" defense had an upper hand by not having the passing threat around....KC gets my respect they beat us fully loaded!



you can say whatever you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that we have the W and you don't.

[WCoastFin]

I never said you were the losers in that game....your team obiviously showed they were a better team then what our Backups were.

[two4trippn]

Originally posted by NYFinsFan
Do you think that the fact that he hasn't played in the 7 quarters plays a role in that?
I'll say this, he's simliar to our #3 WR, Josh Reed - check the stats.

[don137]

Chambers would be the #4 receiver on the Bills so I don't think he is one of the best in the league. Chambers was hurt because his quarterback hung him out t drive by throwing a ball high across the middle. As a result, he was tagged by the safety. The hit was dirty but if Kennedy hit him lower he would of broken a couple ribs of Chambers.

[WCoastFin]

I think Chambers would be the #2 WR in the bills beating out Peerless, but thank GOD he isnt in the Bills!

[ColoBillsFan]

Don't think so WCFin.....
CBS has Moulds and Price as # 1 & 2 reciever in the league....Chambers not listed.
ESPN has Chambers listed as #28 in AFC, just in front of guess who???....Josh Reed, the Bills #3 reciever.

[JoeMama]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
I think Chambers would be the #2 WR in the bills beating out Peerless, but thank GOD he isnt in the Bills!

Haha...

Everything you say is ridiculous. Chris Chambers is better than Peerless Price?

Jesus man, get a grip.

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by ColoBillsFan
Don't think so WCFin.....
CBS has Moulds and Price as # 1 & 2 reciever in the league....Chambers not listed.
ESPN has Chambers listed as #28 in AFC, just in front of guess who???....Josh Reed, the Bills #3 reciever.

You really think Josh Reed is better? Wow.

[Mouldsie]

No, he said Josh Reed is slightly worse....

dumass, lern to friggin reed!

[Bufsabresnu]

There is no way in hell that Chambers would beat out Price for the #2 spot for the Bills. He would have his hands full competing with Reed for #3.

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by MOULDSROCKS
No, he said Josh Reed is slightly worse....

dumass, lern to friggin reed!

J. Reed is slightly worse yet CBS has him slightly ahead...Whats wrong with that picture?....it just come to show you that sometimes talent is worth more than stats..... and if you think Price is better than Chambers let me know where you score your stuff I got some local Crack feens I can recommend....It must be some real good $hit!

[Bufsabresnu]

What's wrong with Price being better than Chambers? Oh yeah, Price doesn't play for Miami. Price IS better than Chambers....without a doubt.

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
I never said you were the losers in that game....your team obiviously showed they were a better team then what our Backups were.


Ricki Lake Williams is a backup? Konrad is a backup? The whole starting 5 OLinemen were backups? Zach Thomas is a backup? Jason Taylor? Surtain? Madison? The fact is, Miami was missing 3 starters for the game, Buffalo was missing 2. Again, Miami was missing THREE, and Buffalo was missing TWO, plus some key backup players. Missing one more starter AT home should mean NOTHING. The fact of the matter is Buffalo SMASHED Miami 23-10.

Miami had NO starters missing on defense, which is without ANY doubt the strength of Miami's team. Miami's best aspect, their defense, was 100% healthy and COULDN'T make a big play to win the game. 23-10...and Travis Henry JUST ran for another first down!


Did I mention 23-10?

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
J. Reed is slightly worse yet CBS has him slightly ahead...Whats wrong with that picture?....it just come to show you that sometimes talent is worth more than stats..... and if you think Price is better than Chambers let me know where you score your stuff I got some local Crack feens I can recommend....It must be some real good $hit!


LMAO!!! Chambers and his 23 catches is better than Peerless Price? Now I know Miami is the drug capital of Cuba, I mean America...but DAMN you sure did find the good stuff!

[Ed]

If Fin fans are going to claim that Chambers is better then Peerless then back it up with something. What are you basing that on? This is a board for discussion, don't just come here and say my players better then your player. Chambers may have the potential to be one of the top WR's in the AFC, but he's not there yet. He still has a lot to prove. Deal with it.

[moose2k]

All the bitter fin fans, let them wallow in it during their bye week while we move forward with the season.

[Bufsabresnu]

WCF, we are still waiting for your proof that Chambers is better than Price. If you go by stats, it isn't even close, so what do you base your statement on?

[goobylal]

Randy McMichaels, a rookie TE, was leading the Dols in receiving before the Donkeys game. Tell me HOW many other "great WR's" are out-played by their TE's? Chambers had a great rookie year but there is NOTHING to suggest he's as great as you Dols fans claim and CERTAINLY nothing to prove that he's better than even Bills rookie Josh Reed. Oh and as far as the Chefs beating the Dols straight up WCF, Patrick Surtan was out for that game, IN KC mind you, so accept the fact that the Bills were missing 3 starters and had a couple players really nicked up and they STILL came into your crib and dismantled your team.

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by MOULDSROCKS
No, he said Josh Reed is slightly worse....

dumass, lern to friggin reed!

I thought he was backing up the point of the poster who said Chambers would be your #4.

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by MOULDSROCKS
No, he said Josh Reed is slightly worse....

dumass, lern to friggin reed!

I thought he was backing up the point of the poster who said Chambers would be your #4.

[Pedrorocks458]

So we can all agree that Deion Branch is exponentially better than Josh Reed? I mean, he has 37 catches in 1 less game than Reed.

[NYFinsFan]

It is not even worth arguing anymore fin fans...Miami lost end of story...It's over...He crow and end these stupid arguments...move on...Remember though Bills fans, he who laughs last laughs loudest...Enjoy yourself, take shots at the Fins and Fins fans...Will see who is laughing at the end of the season.....

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by Pedrorocks458
So we can all agree that Deion Branch is exponentially better than Josh Reed? I mean, he has 37 catches in 1 less game than Reed.


Just out of curiosity, how many receiving yards does Branch have?

[jjm19672000]

Price could go down to Miami right now and get the #1 job.

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
Ricki Lake Williams is a backup? Konrad is a backup? The whole starting 5 OLinemen were backups? Zach Thomas is a backup? Jason Taylor? Surtain? Madison? The fact is, Miami was missing 3 starters for the game, Buffalo was missing 2. Again, Miami was missing THREE, and Buffalo was missing TWO, plus some key backup players. Missing one more starter AT home should mean NOTHING. The fact of the matter is Buffalo SMASHED Miami 23-10.

Miami had NO starters missing on defense, which is without ANY doubt the strength of Miami's team. Miami's best aspect, their defense, was 100% healthy and COULDN'T make a big play to win the game. 23-10...and Travis Henry JUST ran for another first down!


Did I mention 23-10?

The offense always scores more points then the defense....how can you say the defense is our strength? When you rely on your defense to score for you then somethings wrong....when Healthy we are a balanced team......we were missing 5 players on offense...again FIVE players on offense....you were missing a Rookie and a CB in which you really didnt even need becuz there was no passing threat.....Had all our players been healthy it would have been a totally diffrent game....

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by jjm19672000
Price could go down to Miami right now and get the #1 job.

not if Ray Lucas is QB!

[jjm19672000]

I'm still having a hard time figuring out what this thread pertains to, but I do know that receivers are usually as good as the QB throwing them the ball... Bledsoe or Fiedler/Lucas? Any coincidence that Moulds and Price are so high up on the stat lists?

[WCoastFin]

Chambers has emerged as one of the top WRs in the league since his rookie year....Where has Price been all these years? ....Pluh-Ease! ....If Tom Brady was in the Packers last year would he have beat out B. Favre?

[jjm19672000]

Price has never had a Bledsoe throwing to him in the NFL.

[EricStratton]

Originally posted by Pedrorocks458
So we can all agree that Deion Branch is exponentially better than Josh Reed? I mean, he has 37 catches in 1 less game than Reed.

I do agree. At this point in their careers Branch is a better WR. Will that play out in 5 years, who knows but right now Branch is better.

The same goes for Price in his third year over Chambers in his second.

[jjm19672000]

Does Branch start? It does make a difference.

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
Chambers has emerged as one of the top WRs in the league since his rookie year....Where has Price been all these years? ....Pluh-Ease! ....If Tom Brady was in the Packers last year would he have beat out B. Favre?




Back that up. Give me some stats that show Chambers has emerged as one of the best WR's in the AFC. PLEASE! I'm BEGGING YOU. Provide some numbers that would indicate that Chambers is one of the best. I have already provided a few numbers that show Chambers isn't even in the Top30 in the AFC in total receptions nor total yards. So again, back up your talk. Show me some proof, or are you going to be a little tool and not show anything at all?

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by jjm19672000
Price has never had a Bledsoe throwing to him in the NFL.

....so in other words, Price needs a good QB to make him a good WR....what a joke! Good WRs are good regardless whos at QB...Even David Boston is better than Price ...are you going to tell me Plummer is as good as Bledsoe?

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
Back that up. Give me some stats that show Chambers has emerged as one of the best WR's in the AFC. PLEASE! I'm BEGGING YOU. Provide some numbers that would indicate that Chambers is one of the best. I have already provided a few numbers that show Chambers isn't even in the Top30 in the AFC in total receptions nor total yards. So again, back up your talk. Show me some proof, or are you going to be a little tool and not show anything at all?


Chambers
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2001 MIA 16 6 48 883 18.4 74 7 0 0
2002 MIA 6 6 23 290 12.6 38 2 0 0
Total 22 12 71 1173 16.5 74 9 0 0



Price
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
1999 BUF 16 4 31 393 12.7 45 3 0 0
2000 BUF 16 16 52 762 14.7 42 3 3 3
2001 BUF 16 16 55 895 16.3 70 7 1 0
2002 BUF 7 7 47 639 13.6 54 5 0 0
Total 55 43 185 2689 14.5 70 18 5 3


....well to this point you cant really compare them do to the fact that Price has been in the league 2 years more than Chambers has but if you look at the numbers, Chambers is halfway caught up and has a better average of yards than Price, and fumbles less often, and after all this we are bearly getting to the middle of the season.....And dont gimmie that QB bullcrap cuz Chambers has had Fiedler throwing to him his whole career....Now tell me who you think is better.

[bigdog]

Originally posted by Pedrorocks458
So we can all agree that Deion Branch is exponentially better than Josh Reed? I mean, he has 37 catches in 1 less game than Reed.

No he just caught a bunch of cheap 2 yard passes from brady. Also reed would blow branch off the map if the bills didn't have the two best WR's in fooball. Pay attention boy it's not that difficult to figure out. Throw in the best QB and that means low catch totals for reed and the TE's. Your idiotic comments on football make even my 6 year old daughter laugh.

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
Just out of curiosity, how many receiving yards does Branch have?

408 as compared to Josh Reed who has 273, and he has done it in one less game.

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by bigdog
No he just caught a bunch of cheap 2 yard passes from brady. Also reed would blow branch off the map if the bills didn't have the two best WR's in fooball. Pay attention boy it's not that difficult to figure out. Throw in the best QB and that means low catch totals for reed and the TE's. Your idiotic comments on football make even my 6 year old daughter laugh.

Are you saying throwing in the best QB means that your 3rd WR and your TE's will have low catch totals? Thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Branch doesn't start, though he did start twice due to Brown's injury. Also, his YPC is exactly 1.8 YPC less than Reed's. Wow, you're right.

[ColoBillsFan]

No, this week with a Good QB, Price is #2 Reciever in the NFL. Moulds is #1.

The only fair comparison would be if Chambers and Price were given the same opportunity. Being on different teams, with different QBs and offensive schemes, etc., that is not possible.

Because Price is a Buffalo Bill WR, is nationally rated the #2 WR (behind EM, also a BB WR), and this is a Buffalo Bills Board, the veiws are generally biased to believe Price is a better WR than Chambers.

And, rightly so ;)

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
Back that up. Give me some stats that show Chambers has emerged as one of the best WR's in the AFC. PLEASE! I'm BEGGING YOU. Provide some numbers that would indicate that Chambers is one of the best. I have already provided a few numbers that show Chambers isn't even in the Top30 in the AFC in total receptions nor total yards. So again, back up your talk. Show me some proof, or are you going to be a little tool and not show anything at all?


...not only that but lets take a look at the same year they both started playing together in.....

Chambers "ROOKIE" year
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2001 MIA 16 6 48 883 18.4 74 7 0 0


Price "3RD" year
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2001 BUF 16 16 55 895 16.3 70 7 1 0

.....My goodness! ...Chambers only started 6 games! while Price started the whole season......yet hes 12 total yards and 7 REC shy of having the same amount! (if you gave Chambers 7 REC more he would have way more than 12 yards) ...not to mention same amount of TDs, a higher average, and fumbless.....good enough proof for ya pal!?

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by ColoBillsFan
No, this week with a Good QB, Price is #2 Reciever in the NFL. Moulds is #1.

The only fair comparison would be if Chambers and Price were given the same opportunity. Being on different teams, with different QBs and offensive schemes, etc., that is not possible.

Because Price is a Buffalo Bill WR, is nationally rated the #2 WR (behind EM, also a BB WR), and this is a Buffalo Bills Board, the veiws are generally biased to believe Price is a better WR than Chambers.

And, rightly so ;)

so what youre saying is people talk out of their a$$es becuz this is a Bills Board ....c'mon you can do better than that!:slam:

[Ed]

Having a good qb doesn't make Price a good receiver, but it gives him the opportunity to really show that he's a good receiver. If you can't get open, catch the ball or pick up big yards after the catch then it doesn't matter who's throwing you the ball. Bledsoe is an awesome qb and Moulds and Price are awesome WR's, but the last couple years haven't been overwhelmingly impressive for them because of a lack of talent surrounding them and poor systems. Playing with each other gives them the chance to bring out the best in each other.

WCoastfin, you've already said repeatedly that Chambers is better then Price. For the last time, why??? You don't have to use stats, but some reasoning would be nice. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing, but this is a board for intelligent football talk, so some insight would be nice. If Chambers is so great, why hasn't he been making more of an impact? The fins have a strong running game, Fielders a lot better then most people give him credit for, and McMichaels is coming along nicely. With a pretty well balanced O like that Chambers should be tearing it up if he's one of the top WR's in the AFC, but he's not and he's looked pretty average so far. Chambers had a few really good games last year, but how much of that success was from him sneaking up on people and getting a lot of matchup's on weaker DB's? Now he's the focal point at WR for the fins and teams have been doing a pretty good job of shutting him down.

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by Ed
Having a good qb doesn't make Price a good receiver, but it gives him the opportunity to really show that he's a good receiver. If you can't get open, catch the ball or pick up big yards after the catch then it doesn't matter who's throwing you the ball. Bledsoe is an awesome qb and Moulds and Price are awesome WR's, but the last couple years haven't been overwhelmingly impressive for them because of a lack of talent surrounding them and poor systems. Playing with each other gives them the chance to bring out the best in each other.

WCoastfin, you've already said repeatedly that Chambers is better then Price. For the last time, why??? You don't have to use stats, but some reasoning would be nice. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing, but this is a board for intelligent football talk, so some insight would be nice. If Chambers is so great, why hasn't he been making more of an impact? The fins have a strong running game, Fielders a lot better then most people give him credit for, and McMichaels is coming along nicely. With a pretty well balanced O like that Chambers should be tearing it up if he's one of the top WR's in the AFC, but he's not and he's looked pretty average so far. Chambers had a few really good games last year, but how much of that success was from him sneaking up on people and getting a lot of matchup's on weaker DB's? Now he's the focal point at WR for the fins and teams have been doing a pretty good job of shutting him down.

Thats becuase we are spreading the ball around so much and alot of teams now know how dangerous Chambers is and Double cover him....Price is in a system that has 3 good WRs therefore forcing teams to sometimes single cover him...If Chambers was in the same system, I believe hed do more damage than Price is doing right now let alone Reed....But to say he would be the 4th WR under Price and Reed is totally Wak!

[ColoBillsFan]

Last year the Bills sucked offensively. Everyone will agree with that. The scheme was wrong, the OC was bad, the OLine was marginal at best and the QB situation was still reeling from a few years of turmoil.

I choose not use that as a comparison.

WCFin will state that Prices numbers are a reflection of the Bills' adding Bledsoe to the equation.

I agree Bledsoe does make a difference :)

There were other improvenments on offense ( ie the Oline) that make it possible for Price to be a better WR and have better numbers. I stated in another thread that if Price left the Bills to become the #1 WR on another team he might not do as well for a number of reasons.

I think this year Price is becoming the WR that he has the potential to be.

Could Chambers do as well as Price on the Bills? It is possible, but there are so many intangibles that is it definitely hard to say yes.

My reference to this being a Bills' board was tongue in cheek, knowing that there is bias that could be claimed.

Could

[ColoBillsFan]

Oh...and Bledsoe doesn't spread the ball around????

Take Moulds, Price, Reeds, Moore and Centers numbers make a comparison.....and there are a few other to add ;)

[Ed]

yeah, sorry wcoastfin, but ColoBillsFan is right, the Bills spread the ball just as much as the fins do and having a balanced attack would help Chambers, not hurt him. You're also basically admitting that Chambers isn't producing because teams are double covering him. Well guess what, all the top WR's in the league get double covered all the time and they still put up big numbers and go to the probowl. So then I guess you're also admitting that Chambers isn't one of the top WR's in the AFC. Which is what most of us have been saying all along. At least you are starting to come to your senses.

[askabry]

Pardon me, WCF...the question was, what can you do to show that Chambers is one of the top receivers in the AFC. Not next year, not some time in the future, not compared to Peerless Price, not based on his QB.

Hsker4lfe asked about this year. Well, the Dolphins have played 7 games, and you're guy has 23 catches. I project that out to be less than 60 balls...hardly a number for best in the AFC.

Right now, you got something to work on and a fine young receiver. But he's not in the first tier of recievers in the AFC. No way.

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
Chambers
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2001 MIA 16 6 48 883 18.4 74 7 0 0
2002 MIA 6 6 23 290 12.6 38 2 0 0
Total 22 12 71 1173 16.5 74 9 0 0



Price
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
1999 BUF 16 4 31 393 12.7 45 3 0 0
2000 BUF 16 16 52 762 14.7 42 3 3 3
2001 BUF 16 16 55 895 16.3 70 7 1 0
2002 BUF 7 7 47 639 13.6 54 5 0 0
Total 55 43 185 2689 14.5 70 18 5 3


....well to this point you cant really compare them do to the fact that Price has been in the league 2 years more than Chambers has but if you look at the numbers, Chambers is halfway caught up and has a better average of yards than Price, and fumbles less often, and after all this we are bearly getting to the middle of the season.....And dont gimmie that QB bullcrap cuz Chambers has had Fiedler throwing to him his whole career....Now tell me who you think is better.

Please, don't play dumb. You stated Chambers has emerged as one of the best WR's in the AFC. I asked you to back that up. I didn't ask you to compare him to Price. So again, I ask you to SHOW me NUMBERS, OR ANYTHING, that shows that Chambers is one of the best WR's in the AFC. Surely, the numbers you posted above show NOTHING of the like.

This is easy. Way to easy.

[JoeMama]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
Chambers
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2001 MIA 16 6 48 883 18.4 74 7 0 0
2002 MIA 6 6 23 290 12.6 38 2 0 0
Total 22 12 71 1173 16.5 74 9 0 0



Price
YEAR TEAM G GS REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
1999 BUF 16 4 31 393 12.7 45 3 0 0
2000 BUF 16 16 52 762 14.7 42 3 3 3
2001 BUF 16 16 55 895 16.3 70 7 1 0
2002 BUF 7 7 47 639 13.6 54 5 0 0
Total 55 43 185 2689 14.5 70 18 5 3


....well to this point you cant really compare them do to the fact that Price has been in the league 2 years more than Chambers has but if you look at the numbers, Chambers is halfway caught up and has a better average of yards than Price, and fumbles less often, and after all this we are bearly getting to the middle of the season.....And dont gimmie that QB bullcrap cuz Chambers has had Fiedler throwing to him his whole career....Now tell me who you think is better.

Oh, now stats matter!

Funny how they didn't matter when they were used to show that Travis Henry is better than Ricky Williams.

I love the Sea Worm double standard.

I'll concede that Chambers has done better in his first two seasons than Peerless Price. Hey, for that matter, he's done better than Eric Moulds in his first two seasons... by far! Chris Chambers is obviously the next Jerry Rice! Ain't that right, W?

However, can you concede that Henry is on pace to be far superior to Ricky Williams? Probably not, despite your newfound love of statistics.

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
Please, don't play dumb. You stated Chambers has emerged as one of the best WR's in the AFC. I asked you to back that up. I didn't ask you to compare him to Price. So again, I ask you to SHOW me NUMBERS, OR ANYTHING, that shows that Chambers is one of the best WR's in the AFC. Surely, the numbers you posted above show NOTHING of the like.

This is easy. Way to easy.

gotta wait for someone to post so you can reply huh?.....Say whatever you want, if you dont think hes one of the best in the AFC ,so be it...but Ive proven he is better than Price by far.

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by JoeMama
Oh, now stats matter!

Funny how they didn't matter when they were used to show that Travis Henry is better than Ricky Williams.


I'll concede that Chambers has done better in his first two seasons than Peerless Price. Hey, for that matter, he's done better than Eric Moulds in his first two seasons... by far! Chris Chambers is obviously the next Jerry Rice! Ain't that right, W?



Did I miss something?...please show me some stats were it shows that Henry is better than Ricky and that youre not just talking out your A$$!....I wouldnt know if CHambers will be the next Jery Rice, or even better than E-Mo, those are some tough task, but I sure hope so....however he'll be far better than Price will ever be.

[Mouldsie]

I agree that Chambrs is better than Price, but he'll never be an E-mo or Jerry Rice..... hell this year his stats are worse than Josh Reeds!

[jjm19672000]

The only reason Chambers' stats are better than Prices's is because PP finally has a QB to throw to him.

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
gotta wait for someone to post so you can reply huh?.....Say whatever you want, if you dont think hes one of the best in the AFC ,so be it...but Ive proven he is better than Price by far.


Hey, weakling, I see you can't back up your comment of Chambers being one of the best in the AFC. In the future, I'd suggest you not make absurd statements, especially if you have NOTHING to back it up with besides, "he just is."

And, exactly WHICH statistics that you posted show that Chambers is "better than Price by far"? This year, Price has TWICE as many receptions as Chambers and nearly 400 more yards receiving. Again, which statistics show that Chambers is better than Price "by far".

[askabry]

Originally posted by WCoastFin
gotta wait for someone to post so you can reply huh?.....Say whatever you want, if you dont think hes one of the best in the AFC ,so be it...but Ive proven he is better than Price by far.

Not in my book...not by far at all in fact. The Miami Dolphins have played seven games, and Chris Chambers has snagged 23 balls.

Multiplying 16 by 23/7, I get 53 passes...or roughly the same amount Peerless Price got in his second season. He's got talent, and he might exploit it at some time in the future...maybe. But maybe not, too, since Miami has so much invested in Ricky we might see Chambers catching 60-65 passes a year.

Price already is on pace to catch 100 balls. Very very few receivers get there, and to make the quantum leap that Chris Chambers will do so as well...that's just ridiculous.

You haven't proven a thing.

[fthefish]

I love these Miami fans that always make excuses this time of year about why the wheels are falling off their team after coming strong out of the gates. This year will be another 9-7 or 7-9 season for the Fins. Stop crying & enough excuses you clowns. Face it - your guys have never been tough enough to win when it counts.

Go ahead, reply to this post with all the pointless & stupid excuses you want, but at the end of the day, you're just another overated, one-dimensional team who at best is going to lose in the first round of the playoffs (again!) Grab your speedos, go back to the beach & get off our Bills site. Maybe next time losers!

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by fthefish
I love these Miami fans that always make excuses this time of year about why the wheels are falling off their team after coming strong out of the gates. This year will be another 9-7 or 7-9 season for the Fins. Stop crying & enough excuses you clowns. Face it - your guys have never been tough enough to win when it counts.

Go ahead, reply to this post with all the pointless & stupid excuses you want, but at the end of the day, you're just another overated, one-dimensional team who at best is going to lose in the first round of the playoffs (again!) Grab your speedos, go back to the beach & get off our Bills site. Maybe next time losers!

Have the Bills ever won a SB? Wouldn't that constitute "not winning when it counts"?

[jjm19672000]

And the last time Miami won a Super Bowl was........?

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by Pedrorocks458
Have the Bills ever won a SB? Wouldn't that constitute "not winning when it counts"?


And the Boston Redsox?

[Artstfrmrlyknwnasd25]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
Am I the only one fed up with Miami fans crying and making excuses about their 23-10 loss to Buffalo? Sure, after they loss they came here and congratulated Buffalo. However, slowly but surely, they began making excuses and whining about the game.

A few points...

1.) Winfield is just as valuable, if not more, to Buffalo's defense as Fielder is to Miami's offense. In case you didn't notice, Winfield missed the game.
2.) Moulds, one of the best WR's in the league, had an injury and probably shouldn't have been in the game. But, warriors play through injuries. So what if Miami was missing a WR or so, they've NEVER had good WR's! Big deal!
3.) Mike Williams missed the game against one of the NFL's best defenses. Dave Moore also missed the game, and he is a big part of our running game.
4.) Injuries are a part of football...perhaps you should change sports and follow badmitton.

AND THE BIGGEST POINT:
If Miami's injuries were so damn terrible why did you guys spend the whole week preaching to us how Miami was going to destroy us???



As for Pedrorocks, Green Bay was KILLED with injuries when New England faced them, and you guys STILL got killed...AT HOME!:rolleyes:

Man, for someone who is sick of whining you sure are doing a lot.

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
And the Boston Redsox?

We've won a WS. This coming from a guy who's team spent 150 million on 1 playoff win.

[Hsker4Life]

Originally posted by Pedrorocks458
We've won a WS.


Yes, but were you alive? Was your father?

Also, my team is not the Yankees. I'm not a big baseball fan.

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by jjm19672000
And the last time Miami won a Super Bowl was........?

At least theres a last time.:Smokin:

[WCoastFin]

Originally posted by Hsker4Life
Yes, but were you alive? Was your father?

Also, my team is not the Yankees. I'm not a big baseball fan.

so you have to be alive to get credit for your teams success!?...Get real...Just cuz you dont get any credit for your teams past success doesnt mean you have to try and bring down everybody else with you....besides your talking to a guy who's team won a Super Bowl last year....with that being said theyve accomplished more than what YOUR team has accomplished since you were born!!!:open: :Smokin:

[wagoncircler]

Originally posted by Pedrorocks458
We've won a WS. This coming from a guy who's team spent 150 million on 1 playoff win.

HAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!

IN 19 FREAKIN 18 YOU WON A WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!

YOU ARE TRULY AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!

AAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

[WCoastFin]

Ok lets stop talking baseball already ....this is a football board, you know.

oh...BTW, GOOOO GIANTS!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[wagoncircler]

They just voted on the top ten baseball moments of all-time, and IMO, the best actual "moment" just happened in the last WS game. JT Snow grabbing up Dusty's little boy like a mother eagle was unbelievable. It was pure instinct. As a baseball dad, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who got chills. Absolutely classic.

[WCoastFin]

OK since we're talking Giants I guess we can go ahead and convert it into a baseball thread.....

but, ya that was smart...he picked him up by his jacket, good thing he didnt slip out of that Jacket or he might have gotten hurt in another way....

[Pedrorocks458]

Originally posted by wagoncircler
HAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!

IN 19 FREAKIN 18 YOU WON A WORLD SERIES!!!!!!!

YOU ARE TRULY AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!

AAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Refresh my memory, when did the Bills win a SB?

[goobylal]

They haven't, although they won 2 AFL Championships back in the 60's. They just haven't been lucky enough to have the refs overlook something as trivial as, say, hitting the opposing QB in the facemask as he throws an INT that gets returned for a TD.

[wagoncircler]

Your the moron bragging about a championship that the ALL TIME SPORTS LOSERS won before your grandfather was born. I'm talking LITERALLY before your grandfather was born, maybe your great-grandfather. I'm 40, and MY grandfather was born in 1918. By the way you write, and by the absolute foolishness that you regularly spew in your posts, it's quite obvious to everyone that you're a little boy, so I imagine that your great-grandfather may not yet have been born the last time the Red Sux won a World Series. I was at one of the Bills Championship AFL games, and your Boston Patriots were in the same league so please, spare me the "AFL doesn't count" crap. The Super Bowl that the Patsies won was 100% due to a B.S. (funny how those initials mirror those of "Bo Sox") call on Brady's fumble. They shouldn't even have been IN the Super Bowl.
In the end though, I'm glad it worked out that way, because now WE have your REAL franchise QB, and he's going to spank your @sses next week. And as for the Red Sux, keep holding your breath for another EIGHTY FOUR YEARS, beanboy.

[NYFinsFan]

Being a FinsFan it is unthinkable for me to agree with a Bills fan but wagoncircler has brought up some good points...PedroRocks...I hope for your sake (and all Bills haters like myself) that Brady gets on track this week and you can have a good laugh at Bills fans expense....I have a hard time believing that NE will lose 5 games in a row....

[pmoon6]

You should worry more about the Fins beating the Packers

[NYFinsFan]

You're right...That is going to be an uphill battle..I am hoping the same type of outcome as the Broncos game....I would be lying if I didn't say that I am more than a little worried....

[Artstfrmrlyknwnasd25]

AFL Championships count? No way. Tge AFL was an inferior league at that time. No way do the Bills beat the Packers, Colts and Browns of that era

[wagoncircler]

Are YOUR typing skills slipping, or was there a league called Tge AFL?

[WCoastFin]

wagoncircler, when you give that type of reply (the kind where they shut you up and try to find something else to get them with) It means they hit a nerve.

[wagoncircler]

I was only paying him back for busting my b@lls over a typo in another thread.

[Artstfrmrlyknwnasd25]

Never expect an original idea from circler WCoastfin. His ideas are so unoriginal and his language skills are so rudimentary that he could probably only get a job in a flunky industry like advertising or something along those lines. You know bottom of the barrel stuff.

[Zod1966]

Originally posted by Artstfrmrlyknwnasd25
AFL Championships count? No way. Tge AFL was an inferior league at that time. No way do the Bills beat the Packers, Colts and Browns of that era

But without it ever actually happening, how can you know for sure we wouldn't beat those teams? After all, nobody could believe the Jets beating the Colts in SB III Except Broadway Joe, of course...

BTW is my spelling/grammar alrighty? ;)