Why has Dick Cheney disappeared?

[shiva2999]

Another from my hometown rag. Damn Canadians!

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=870da0141461dd0f&pagename=thestar%2FLayout%2FArticle_Type1&c=Article&cid=1026143695396&call_page=TS_Business&call_pageid=968350072197&call_pagepath=Business%2FNews&


Dick Cheney's brilliant career
By David Olive


"By any measure you want to use, Halliburton has been a great success story."

—Dick Cheney, U.S. vice-presidential candidate, campaigning in 2000

"Halliburton Co. said Wednesday that it lost $498 million in the second quarter, weighed down by charges against earnings for asbestos-related claims and a troubled project in Brazil."

—News report, July 24, 2002

WITH SPIRO ("TED") Agnew, it was so simple. He was charged with pocketing more than $100,000 in graft from Maryland engineering firms, one of which took the trouble to have someone personally deliver an envelope with $10,000 in small bills to the newly elected U.S. vice-president at his suite in the Executive Office Building in Washington. Bribery is plainly illegal, so Ted pleaded "no contest" to the charges against him and quit public life in 1973.

But you look at Dick Cheney's brief stint in business from 1995 to 2000, prior to joining the Bush ticket, and you don't see anything illegal. Not yet, anyway.

There's nothing illegal about a former U.S. defence secretary and Gulf War hero accepting a plum post as CEO of a tainted firm, Halliburton Co., that was harshly criticized in the early 1990s for selling oil-drilling equipment to, of all places, Saddam Hussein's Iraq. In 1995, the same year Cheney decided to try his hand at business with Halliburton after a lifelong career in politics, the company pleaded guilty to violating the U.S. ban on exports to Libya, having peddled to strongman Moammar Gadhafi six pulse nuclear generators that could be used to detonate nuclear weapons.

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[John]

I already know - don't argue with you, argue with the "Star" :D

[Sir]

Dude, do you work or what?

[Sir]

Originally posted by John
I already know - don't argue with you, argue with the "Star" :D That's tough to do. They have Canadian Millitary backing. On second thought, that just means they have paint ball guns. Go ahead. :D

[shiva2999]

Oh, BTW, Dresser Industries was a Bush family business.

[reeves84]

Why has Dick Cheney disappeared?

No, he is in Iowa. (7/29 and 7/30). Although being in Iowa has similarities to disappearing.

[reeves84]

Hey, that sounds like a Shivaism

[shiva2999]

I love Arianna Huffington.

I think smart Eastern European women are incredibly sexy.

http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/080502.html


Holding Dick Cheney "Accountable"
Filed August 5, 2002
By now, you'd think the Bush White House would be pretty adept at responding to the rising tide of corporate scandals washing over the White House lawn.

Clearly, though, Team Bush had an off day last week when, in the space of 12 hours, it was revealed that both Harken Energy, while President Bush was on its board, and Halliburton, while Vice President Cheney was its CEO, had created subsidiary shell companies in offshore tax havens. The administration's attempt at what was presumably damage control did more harm than good.

First, Bush and Cheney's reps tried to argue that even though setting up shop in the Caymans is a favorite ploy of companies looking to avoid paying their fair share of taxes -- Enron had 692 subsidiaries there -- that wasn't the reason Harken or Halliburton had done it.

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[reeves84]

I find smart women incredably sexy.

[3rdbase]

I just know Shiva, because you are such a fair and balanced gentleman, and so concerned with US presidential cabinets, that you are going to start a thread asking questions about Clinton's Treasury sect. Robert Rubin and his involvement in an attempt to delay a certain gigantic bond rating firm from getting about the nasty business of downgrading Enron bonds, the very same bonds that his new corp. Citibank, was a huge holder of.
I'm sure that's forthcoming.

[shiva2999]

And what is it Paul Begala says whenever Novacula tries to run with this?

Congress is controlled by the Republicans. If they want to ask him about this all they have to do is invite him on down.

But I have no vested interest in defending or exposing Robert Rubin. I really didn't know who he was until these allegations of impropriety surfaced. But I certainly disagree with influence peddling at any time by anyone.

But guys, I'm not the New York Times. I'm not regulated by the FCC. The reason I post the things I do is because I believe this Bush administration is the worst and most dangerous American administration I've seen in my lifetime.

I don't think they care about me and I don't think they care about you. They care about themselves, their families and their cronies and they use their own brand of religious fundamentalism to justify their behaviour.

Personally, I think it's the right in America that should be hopping mad about George and his cohorts. Unfortunately the right has been so brainwashed by Rush and co. they'll gladly accept a fascist takeover just so they can say "In your face liberal scum".

But if you will just drop the prejudice and rhetoric, anyone can see George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have been an unmitigated disaster for America and the entire world.

But they've done a great job for themselves, their families and their pals.

And if people disagree with me, they're welcome to make their case.

[3rdbase]

Originally posted by shiva2999
And what is it Paul Begala says whenever Novacula tries to run with this?

Congress is controlled by the Republicans. If they want to ask him about this all they have to do is invite him on down.


Not quite. The senate is controlled by the Dems, and The Senate Governmental Affairs Committee is conducting the hearings, chaired by none other than Joe Lieberman. They've called. I believe, six reps of Citigroup, but not Rubin.

I don't have a dog in this fight either, but the Republican party typically draws people from the business community. People who have actually done something in the business world. There are thousands of marginally employed "journalists" out and about who look for dirt on these guys. The Haliburton issue is typical. It get's down to how do "generally accepatable accounting practices" handle cost overuns on massive, long term projects. In reality, theres probably nothing there that in any way matters to the general well being of this nation, but it's the political season and all's fair.
Contrast that with the career of a typical Dem. Take Gore for example. Career politician. Grew up in a luxury hotel in Washington, son of a politician. Flipped on abortion and tobacco as soon as he left Tennessee because he realized his positions weren't p[alatable at the national level. Not much else to talk about the guy. Heck, I've met the guy. Sat next to him for an hour and a half the day before 9-11 . Bored the stuff out of me.

[shiva2999]

Al Gore is a total stiff, you won't get any argument from me there. He blew the election not because of what Joe Lieberman said, but because he has zero charisma and moves and talks like a robot.

On the other hand, I worked with Gordon Liddy on an episode of MacGuyver ten years ago. Incredibly interesting and charismatic man. If I had a chance to go to dinner or have a few beers with either Liddy or Gore, I'd go with Liddy every time.

However, I would never want him to hold the fate of the western world in his hands.

[3rdbase]

Originally posted by shiva2999
Al Gore is a total stiff, you won't get any argument from me there. He blew the election not because of what Joe Lieberman said, but because he has zero charisma and moves and talks like a robot.

On the other hand, I worked with Gordon Liddy on an episode of MacGuyver ten years ago. Incredibly interesting and charismatic man. If I had a chance to go to dinner or have a few beers with either Liddy or Gore, I'd go with Liddy every time.

However, I would never want him to hold the fate of the western world in his hands.
Miracle of miracles Shiva, we have reached common ground. Liddy has a radio show I occasionally listen to on my way to work. I worry about people whose views are cast in concrete and no amount of empirical evidence will change them. Liddy is just such a man. Gore is very much a stiff. He has some kind of damage to his upper body that doesn't allow him to pivot his head on his neck. Very strange to see. When he has to rotate his head to talk he does so from the waste. Very unusual. Also much shorter and thinner in the hair department than I thought. And that face hair he was sporting. Whew it was horrible. Two factors cost him the election. !. Ralph Nader. 2. Elian Gonzalez-that little Cuban kid that Janet Reno et all snatched and deported. Nobody block votes like the Cubans. Of course with the lead he had, if he'd had merely survived the debates he would have won easily.

[reeves84]

Agreement in the Asylum? This will never do.

[shiva2999]

An update on Dick from the NYT....

http://nytimes.com/2002/08/11/opinion/11DOWD.html

Cheney Stays in the Picture
By MAUREEN DOWD


ASHINGTON — One could hear the exhale of relief from the conservative multitudes — and the "Ruffles and Flourishes" playing in the gladdened hearts of Republican graybeards.

For Cheney, Mighty Cheney was advancing to the bat.

A question mark had been quivering over the White House. There had been a frenzy of speculation and an outpouring of analysis among the capital cognoscenti.

Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institution was teetering on the brink of observing that the Bush presidency was "teetering on the brink." Ibid., Norman Ornstein.

So Republicans were thrilled to hear the vice president tell a worshipful crowd of white, wealthy people at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco last week that he would be willing to run with the president in 2004.

He called his White House tenure — incognito, undisclosed, classified and unavailable — "the high point of my professional life." The humility in his tone was unmistakable.

Republicans had been worrying about the health factor — not that Mr. Cheney's was getting worse but that Mr. Bush's was getting better.

The more buff the president grew, the more party solons fretted that he was frittering away time in the gym that could be better used formulating clear policies in a roiling time.

Last week, the president had his best checkup ever, with doctors swooning over his lissome lipoprotein, taut triglycerides, sleek homocysteine, A-plus C-reactive protein levels and thin body fat.

In a city where being a grind is better than being a glamourpuss, suspicion falls on those who are too modish or too toned. Are they spending more hours cross-training than studying the Law of the Sea Treaty?

So it is with the president. He looks too good.

Even Republicans have begun privately admitting what Democrats have been whispering: Mr. Cheney is running the country. He can't get off the ticket because Mr. Bush won't get off the treadmill.

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[BogusTrumper]

Shiva, did you see the news shows on the weekend after you started this thread? Cheney was on admitting that he was laying low because of the Halliburton scandal.

[shiva2999]

"You can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Abraham Lincoln

[NoCtUrNaL]

Originally posted by shiva2999
"You can fool some of the people some of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

Abraham Lincoln


Unless they're Canadians.

[Ticatfan2]

Shiva ,if you are refering to the money cheney made selling his shares before they dropped,I understand that to run for vp he HAD to sell which I understand he did not want to,but do to with conflict of interest rules,they were sold.It just happen to be good timing.