It's gonna be Germany and Brazil...

Which will be interesting since they're the two winningest World Cup teams.

Korea will only beat Germany w/ help from the ref and the idea of Brazil losing to Turkey is ludicrous!

[bduff54]

korea could beat germany. and the ref against spain was perfect. spain are just whiners. the commentator said it was the best refereeinhg he had seen in the whole tourney

[bduff54]

Fabricio that isn't the referees call, the linesman makes that call, he put his flag up to indicate that the ball had gone out and the ref blew the whistle accordingly. The Referee had great interaction with the players and was not rash with cards. what commentators were appalled? Please don't tell me you listen to those ABC goon who have never played a game in their life. We get the BBC feed here where the commentators are all english or scottish!

[Player6600]

and if ain't scottish it's craaaap.

[bduff54]

exactly player. lol!

[billsfanone]

when's the game?

[bduff54]

south korea/germany is tomorrow morning at 7:30

[billsfanone]

They should at least play at a resonable time if they want Americans to watch.

[bduff54]

yeah the spanish are good at calling the games. billsfan was that statement serious? why on God's earth would they change the times of the games so american can watch? That's like changing football games from 1:00 to 6:00 so people in England and Ireland cn watch, does that make sense?

[billsfanone]

Yeah. I was kidding bro. :D

[bduff54]

oh good, becasue i wouldn't put it past some ignorant north-americans (my self included) to think like that!

[Player6600]

Originally posted by bduff54
yeah the spanish are good at calling the games. billsfan was that statement serious? why on God's earth would they change the times of the games so american can watch? That's like changing football games from 1:00 to 6:00 so people in England and Ireland cn watch, does that make sense?

Lets see America is the corporate capital of the world has a population of 280 million people, and is the most influential nation in the country. If this was a sport that was popular in the US then the game times would be changed to accomadate Americans.

[bduff54]

what are you talking about?????????? Just becasue it is the most powerful country in the world dosen't mean the bloody stations are going to accomodate them, that is so idiotic of you to say that. 280 million is nothing comapared to china or india who both are more interested in soccer than the US. If anything they would accomate them and leave you to watch at 4:00 in the morning! so cocky it's unbelievable

[bduff54]

"most influential nation in the country" the world isn't a country player but it's ok i know you take the small bus!

[Player6600]

Are you guys for real. American television not having a say. Of course they do if its for a sport that Americans care about they will have their say. For example when the dream team was playing in the Olympics they were on during Prime Time every night.

[bduff54]

yes becasue the olympics was in Atlanta if it was in say Dublin., they wouldn't play the games at 2:00 in the morning Irish time so you could watch. think about what your saying

[Player6600]

I'm talking about Barcelona

[Player6600]

Sports is a business now and sponsors have a lot of say.

[bduff54]

barcelona and Dublin are pretty much on the same time zone whats your ppint. they may have played the games at say 7:00 pm so you could see but they weren't playing them in the middle of the night

[John]

Guys, as usual, its all about money. If the US TV stations were putting up enough money, they could get the games played at whatever time they wanted. They don't, probably never will. In fact for a tourney like the world cup, it might not even be feasible, given the TV revenuses from every other country in the world.

But its not about being an influential nation per se, its about the money.

[bduff54]

exactly, but player6600 seems to think that just because they are the United States can ge the games whenever they want just because they say so!

[Player6600]

Bdff- what are you smoking. Did i not just say that sports is a business and that if sponsorsip wants it at a certain time then it will be because their paying the money.

[bduff54]

check your original statement. you basically say " we are the USA we can have what we want"

[Player6600]

show me where I said that. That's right I never said that statement which is why you didn't quote me on it. It's been a rough day for you hasn't it.

[bduff54]

just read your first quote it basically says that!

[Player6600]

Originally posted by bduff54
just read your first quote it basically says that!

Don't put words in mouth when I didn't say them.

[bduff54]

you say if America had any interest in soccer the games would be changes so you could watch them! that to me sounds like you are saying "we are America we can have what we want!

Guess how many people watched the world cup around the globe?


Guess what he most popular (most watched) game was?

[bduff54]

i say china vs Brazil?

England-Argentina #1 With World Cup Viewers

Contest Draws Highest TV Audience During Week of June 3-9,
But Home-Team Matches Prove More Popular with Local Viewers

NEW YORK, June 20, 2002 - England vs. Argentina proved to be the most popular match with FIFA World Cup viewers during the week of June 3-9, capturing the largest overall audience and placing within the top five most-watched matches in each of the 17 countries measured by Nielsen Media Research. (Note to Editors: In the U.S., next-day audience estimates for World Cup matches are available from Nielsen Media Research and from its
clients.)

According to preliminary audience estimates, more than 36 million people in Nielsen's measured markets viewed the June 7 match - won by England, 1-0. Only France-Senegal, with 38 million viewers on May 31, drew a larger World Cup audience this year.
The England-Argentina match, at Sapporo, Japan, grabbed the largest TV audience for the week in Australia, Canada, Finland, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, New Zealand, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and the United States, among the Nielsen countries reporting results (see table below). The contest was also among the top five most-watched matches in China, Hong
Kong, Ireland, South Africa, South Korea and Taiwan.

In the United States, the match was seen by more than three million viewers, combined, when it was telecast live by ESPN2 at 7:30 a.m. (U.S. Eastern time) and shown on tape delay by ABC at 1:30 p.m. that day. The combined audience surpassed the two million people who watched England vs. Sweden on June 2, and the USA vs. Portugal on June 5.

Among Hispanic viewers, Univision's live telecast of the England-Argentina match drew an audience of more than one million.

Teams Draw Largest Audiences in Home Countries

As popular as England-Argentina was with viewers, it was eclipsed by TV audiences in the home countries of teams competing for the World Cup.

The largest single-country audience for the World Cup thus far was in South Korea, where a combined total of more than 14 million people saw the Korea Republic defeat Poland, 2-0, on June 4. The match, at Busan, South Korea, was carried simultaneously on three channels and, along with replay telecasts, captured a combined 56% of the country's potential viewing audience.

Other teams to draw large audiences in their home countries include:
· China - An estimated 10.7 million viewers in the country's 11 largest cities (about 28% of the potential audience) watched Brazil defeat the People's Republic of China, 4-0, on June 8 from Seogwipo, South Korea. This was the largest single-game audience in China through June 9, surpassing the nine million people who watched France vs. Senegal on May 31.

· South Africa - Approximately 1.9 million people (14% of the potential audience) saw South Africa defeat Slovenia, 1-0, at Daegu, South Korea. The only match to draw a higher audience in South Africa (through June 9) was the June 2 Paraguay vs. South Africa contest, watched by two million people.

· Ireland - An estimated 726,000 people (20% of the potential audience) tuned in as Ireland battled Germany to a 1-1 draw in Ibaraki, Japan, on June 5. This audience was second to the 786,000 who watched Ireland vs. Cameroon on June 1.

Highest World Cup Audiences (by Country), Week of June 3-9

Country / Gross Audience / Gross Rating* / Match
South Korea 14,366,000 56 Poland/South Korea

China 10,693,000 28 Brazil/China

Thailand 7,227,000 13 Argentina/England

Indonesia 4,846,000 17 Argentina/England

USA 3,036,000 1 Argentina/England

Malaysia 2,754,000 19 Argentina/England

South Africa 1,943,000 14 Slovenia/SouthAfrica

India 1,353,000 2 Argentina/England

Canada 1,164,000 4 Argentina/England

Ireland 726,000 20 Germany/Ireland

Hong Kong 537,000 8 Brazil/China

Australia *** 531,000 9 Argentina/England

Finland 424,000 9 Argentina/England

Taiwan 445,000 2 France/Uruguay

Singapore 206,000 16 Argentina/England

New Zealand 76,000 2 Argentina/England

Philippines 36,000 <1 Argentina/England

* Gross rating is a percentage of the total measured population
*** Includes only regional TV audiences (outside of major metropolitan
areas)
Source: Nielsen Media Research







For comparison, the Super Bowl drew a 46 rating, with 131 million viwers in the US alone!

[bduff54]

cool stats man!

[John]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
England-Argentina #1 With World Cup Viewers

Contest Draws Highest TV Audience During Week of June 3-9,
But Home-Team Matches Prove More Popular with Local Viewers

NEW YORK, June 20, 2002 - England vs. Argentina proved to be the most popular match with FIFA World Cup viewers during the week of June 3-9, capturing the largest overall audience and placing within the top five most-watched matches in each of the 17 countries measured by Nielsen Media Research. (Note to Editors: In the U.S., next-day audience estimates for World Cup matches are available from Nielsen Media Research and from its
clients.)

According to preliminary audience estimates, more than 36 million people in Nielsen's measured markets viewed the June 7 match - won by England, 1-0. Only France-Senegal, with 38 million viewers on May 31, drew a larger World Cup audience this year.


For comparison, the Super Bowl drew a 46 rating, with 131 million viwers in the US alone!

38 million is stunningly low. They don't seem to list any South American countries, do they?

It is also surprizing that the highest rated game in China, a country of 1.2 BILLION people, only drew 10.7 million viewers.

If this data is correct, Player was right - if the US ever does latch on to the world cup in a big way and gets only HALF the viewership it gets for the superbowl, the games will be played at whatever time the US TV stations want, because the US would then dominate TV viewership and with it, advertising $.

Something tells me that this is not the full picture, though.

There is no audience measurement in South america, commercial or otherwise.

Bu thten again, there are not a lot of Televisions there, either.

[bduff54]

some of it dosen't sound right but it is still cool

I guess I prefaced my question wrong-

This is only counting those countries Nielsen measures. But the thing to look at is the actual rating. Most world countries are pulling between a 4 (Canada) and a 20 (Ireland). A rating is a percentage of TV households.

Take Korea. 56% of TV households watched the game. What the number does not show is how many households have TVs in them in the first place. If only half of all homes in Korea have TV, then only about a quarter of the Households in Korea watched the game. In US and Canada, about 98% of all homes have TV.

Big industrialized countries like Italy and Germany are not included because they are not measured by Nielsen. But if the ratings numbers are similar to England/ Ireland/, then about 20% of TV Viewers watched their games.

That's about the same following an episode of "Friends" or "Survivor" has here

[John]

Originally posted by Dozerdog

Take Korea. 56% of TV households watched the game. What the number does not show is how many households have TVs in them in the first place. If only half of all homes in Korea have TV, then only about a quarter of the Households in Korea watched the game. In US and Canada, about 98% of all homes have TV.



The following is not perfect, but provides an indication of the % of houses with TV's in different countries. Sorry about the formatting, but I don't know how to do it better:



Country / Audience / Rating / Population / %with TV's

Canada 1,164,000 4% 29,100,000 31,280,000 93%
US 3,036,000 1% 242,880,000 285,000,000 85%
South Korea 14,366,000 56% 25,653,571 45,000,000 57%
China 10,693,000 28% 38,189,286 1,200,000,000 3%
India 1,353,000 2% 67,650,000 1,014,000,000 7%
Ireland 726,000 20% 3,630,000 5,200,000 70%
Hong Kong 537,000 8% 6,712,500 6,975,000 96%


3% of Chineese households have TV's!!!!
7% of Indian households have TV's!!!!

Pretty amazing compared to the US and Canada. . .

[bduff54]

the us didn't really represent very well!

[Player6600]

This should be France-Brazil but we all know why France isn't there. If they would have advance they eventually would have had to face Germany so they gave up and surrendered so they wouldn't have to play them.

[bduff54]

England should be ashamed of themselves!! THe way they played against Brazil was disgrace, Sven goran erickson ia a moron! The never created one scoreing chance, the one the scored on was a defensive error