Should the Sabres retire Mogilny's 89???

[dewally]

In light of recent contraversy concerning the retiring of Hasek's 39. Let me through this out there. How about Mogilny's 89. He had more points as a Sabre than LaFontaine in the same amount of seasons.
Season Team GP G A P
1994-1995 Sabres* 44 19 28 47
1993-1994 Sabres* 66 32 47 79
1992-1993 Sabres* 77 76 51 127
1991-1992 Sabres* 67 39 45 84
1990-1991 Sabres* 62 30 34 64
1989-1990 Sabres* 65 15 28 43

[3LH]

Close call I think. He was a great player who might end up in the Hall of Fame. Like Hasek, he made his name as a Sabre. But unlike Hasek, he was drafted by Buffalo... and the whole defection thing.... if he had been healthier through his career I think it would be a lock... like I said, it's a close call.

[SabresFan220]

He should be a Hall of Famer, maybe not 1st ballot but he should get in. And if he does the Sabres should honor him and retire his number, still the best pure goal scorer in Sabres history I think, but Gare, Martin, and Perreault challenge that.

[deconstruction]

Mmmm retire a number means you are beloved by the fans. Was he beloved by the fans? I'd probably retire Ray's number first.

[bduff54]

nah, he really only had one outstanding year and no playoff success.

you can't retire his number for that.

[Riley_Mason]

I'll never forget him saying one season that he thought he was being paid half of what he was worth, and therefore would only give half effort, and he did.
Do you remember when he scored those 76 goals, he had a clause in his contract that he would get $10,000 a goal for every goal after he got 50? Whoa, did he light it up then. The next year he had no such clause, and you can see by the stats what happened.
Greatest underachiever in Sabres history, run out of town by the fans, no way does his number get retired.
The only thing he was good for was ripping off Vancouver in a trade.

[gibbons]

agreed, not enough longevity and consistency. One super year but not the same class as the previously retired numbered players.

[Chrispy56]

agreed, not enough longevity and consistency. One super year but not the same class as the previously retired numbered players.

good points!

[mikgaes]

Should the Sabres retire Mogilny's 89???

No way.

[Bay Side]

I'm gonna say one GREAT season doesn't put you up there!!

[C Darwin]

Retire # 5 first!!!!

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/3342999.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193B3EA2C03450C9486C680F3F60F47FE1E 5A5397277B4DC33E

[BanditsRock11]

Retire # 5 first!!!!

Ed Ronan was that good for the Sabres?

[Iggy72]

I'm not sure you retire #89. He was fun to watch, but many of his goals were due to Paddy, who did deserve his #16 retired.
When Lafontaine got hurt, Mogilny just wasn't as dominant.

Pax.
Iggy72

[foster]

I don't think you retire his # for good, but maybe you retire the # and jersey in the rafters as the Sabres Record holder for goals scored? Then when another player beats that record, you take that jersey down and put up the new one?

So we have an honor wing and an "achievement" wing of rafters.

[ricogarion]

Besides haseks #39 and Ramseys #5 I wouldn't consider any other numbers really worthy,maybe the number 1 in honor of a great keeper that was Roger Crozier.

[GoBillsTom]

I think a number gets retired for more than stats. The player has to have an intangible quality as well that allows him to be considered part of the community. Mogilny always was an outsider.

[tmcgeefan]

In light of recent contraversy concerning the retiring of Hasek's 39. Let me through this out there. How about Mogilny's 89. He had more points as a Sabre than LaFontaine in the same amount of seasons.
Season Team GP G A P
1994-1995 Sabres* 44 19 28 47
1993-1994 Sabres* 66 32 47 79
1992-1993 Sabres* 77 76 51 127
1991-1992 Sabres* 67 39 45 84
1990-1991 Sabres* 62 30 34 64
1989-1990 Sabres* 65 15 28 43

I DONT THINK SO...HE JETTED OUT OF B-LO TO GO CHASE ALL THAT CASH...THEN HIS CAREER WAS NEVER REALLY THE SAME...

[tmcgeefan]

In light of recent contraversy concerning the retiring of Hasek's 39. Let me through this out there. How about Mogilny's 89. He had more points as a Sabre than LaFontaine in the same amount of seasons.
Season Team GP G A P
1994-1995 Sabres* 44 19 28 47
1993-1994 Sabres* 66 32 47 79
1992-1993 Sabres* 77 76 51 127
1991-1992 Sabres* 67 39 45 84
1990-1991 Sabres* 62 30 34 64
1989-1990 Sabres* 65 15 28 43

SHIT...I WOULD RETIRE DARREN POOPAS NUMBER BEFORE MOGILNYS

[SHINEdown30]

Yeah put it up there. Why not? He was a great player. We have Hortons number up there why not Mogilny. Yeah I know he died. But he was with us 1-2 yrs!!!!!!

Is Snyder's # retired with Atlanta?

[shotgun]

i have to say no,

[GoBillsTom]

we should retire all the numbers of past players and let the team start over with letters A - ZZ

[imissandrereed]

Mogiliny was good but I don't think he was beloved enough by fans to warrant his number retired. He was no patty Lafontaine. Afinagenov reminds me of a poor poor man's Mogilny.

[M76]

if that **** smoke muckler didn't trade him and allow him to score 54 goals the next year and then win a cup with new jersey.. what an awful trade.. mike peca and wilson? ouch muckler got raped

[SHINEdown30]

Mogiliny was good but I don't think he was beloved enough by fans to warrant his number retired. He was no patty Lafontaine. Afinagenov reminds me of a poor poor man's Mogilny.

When is that a qualification for your number being retired? He was a 2-way player and played his heart out. Stats were great. Management screwed up. Horton wasn't a fan favorite.....hell how could he of been he was only here for a yr and his number was retired.

[3LH]

if that **** smoke muckler didn't trade him and allow him to score 54 goals the next year and then win a cup with new jersey.. what an awful trade.. mike peca and wilson? ouch muckler got raped

Good point, if Mogilny stays a Sabre longer, it's almost a no-brainer. A lot of what-ifs I guess. I just think he was a great player. 76 goals is a hell of a lot. I was in high school during that season and I just remember being so stoked about our Russian sniper.

[Wally]

If we would not of traded him for sure you retire his number but because he only played a few years no.

[dewally]

I think a lot of us are forgetting what this young man did in order to become a buffalo sabre. He should be remembered as a pionner of the game. I almost hate to say it, but his defection from the Soviet Union should be looked on almost as the same levels as Willie O'Eee breaking the color barrier. Some of the comments on this board state things such as, "he was always looked on as an outsider.", YOU THINK???

[theratt17]

No offense to his talent and his stats, he was a great hockey player, but he was a typical russian player. When the team was playing well, he helped. When the team was playing bad, he made it worse.

[MauvaisSang]

No. Points aren't everything. He wasn't anywhere near the player LaFontaine was.

[GoBillsTom]

I think a lot of us are forgetting what this young man did in order to become a buffalo sabre. He should be remembered as a pionner of the game. I almost hate to say it, but his defection from the Soviet Union should be looked on almost as the same levels as Willie O'Eee breaking the color barrier. Some of the comments on this board state things such as, "he was always looked on as an outsider.", YOU THINK???

Yes, I think.

The quote was a more intelligible, "Mogilny always was an outsider."

And the point was that he never brought that intangible qualities that earn a jersey's retirement.

You make a good point about him as a pioneer of the game. I respect what he did. But I don't think he deserves to get his sweater hung up from the rafters.

And not Andreychuck. And not Housley. And not Ramsey. And not lots of really good players who I used to cheer for until I lost my voice.

The bar has to be set very, very high for jersey retirement.

Maybe the Sabres should have their own version of the Wall of Fame. Mogilny could definitely go there.