Interesting read---Military Losses

[uppy]

I got this in a E-mail it looks about right
to me.


Military Losses, 1980 thru 2006

Whatever your politics, however you lean, however you feel about the current administration, this report should open some eyes.

Military losses, 1980 through 2006 (ttp://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.



As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider
the following statistics:

The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:

1980 .......... 2,392 (Carter Year)
1981 .......... 2,380 (Reagan Year)
1984 .......... 1,999 (Reagan Year)
1988 .......... 1,819 (Reagan Year)
1989 .......... 1,636 (George H W Year)
1990 .......... 1,508 (George H W Year)
1991 .......... 1,787 (George H W Year)
1992 .......... 1,293 (George H W Year)
1993 .......... 1,213 ( Clinton Year)
1994 .......... 1,075 ( Clinton Year)
1995 .......... 2,465 ( Clint on Year)
1996 ......... . 2,318 ( Clinton Year)
1997 ............. 817 ( Clinton Year)
1998 .......... 2,252 ( Clinton Year)
1999 .......... 1,984 ( Clinton Year)
2000 ..........1,983 ( Clinton Year)
2001 ............. 890(George W Year)
2002 .......... 1,007 (George W Year)
2003 .......... 1,410 (George W Year)
2004 .......... 1,887 (George W Year)
2005 ............. 919 (George W Year)
2006.............. 920 (George W Year)
2007............899 (George W Year)

Clinton years (1993-2000): 14,000 deaths
George W years (2001-2006): 7,932 deaths

If you are surprised when you look at these figures, so was I. These figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in th e Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Bill Clinton's presidency; when America wasn't even involved in a war!

It surprised me too, so I went on line to find out what military actions we were in during Clinton's presidency. Here is a web site I found that lists out those conflicts. (not war)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_actions_by_or_within_the_United_S tates#1991-1999

And, I was even more shocked when I read that in 1980, during the reign of
President (Nobel Peace Prize winner) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392
US military fatalities! I think that these figures indicate that many members of our Media and our Politicians will pick and choose the information on which they report. Of course we all know that they present only those 'facts' which support their agenda-driven reporting. But why do so many of them march in lock-step to
twist the truth? Where do so man y o f them get their marching-orders for
their agenda? Obviously there is one shared agenda, and I believe it is
clear it comes from the most powerful Democratic family of the decade.

Do you want further proof? Consider the latest census, of Americans. It
sho ws the following FACTS about the distribution of American citizens, by
Race:
European descent ..........................69.12%
Hispanic ......................................... 12.5%
Black ..............................................12.3 %
Asian ............................................... 3.7%
Native American ..............................1.0%
Other ..............................................2.6%

Now... here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom:
European descent (white) .............74.31%
Hispanic ..................................... 10.74%
Black ... ....................................... 9.67%
Asian ............................... ...... ...... 1.81%
Native American ........................... 1.09%
Other ............................................ 0.33%

I was surprised again. . .until it became clear to me that the point here is that our mainstream media continues to spin these fig ures (for political gain). Nothing more.

It's all about politics and some politicians, are now famous for turning
American against American for a vote. (Consider Slick Willy and his comments just recently made about South Carolina , Jesse Jackson, and the 'blacks' voting for the 'black' candidates); or Hillary's stump speech after her Super Tuesday 'victory' stating that the current administration does not 'listen' to anyone and continues the war costing precious American lives. Yes, I might even agree with her, but she should be made to acknowledge her own
husband's administration, without having an actual war, sent more soldiers to death during his regime-while also forcing the military to releas e Osama when
we actually had him detained.

I hope that during the time between now and November, that intelligent
Americans can decipher the facts from the spin and the spinners from the leaders; those who seek even more power from those that seek justice, the d ividers from the uniters.

Over the next months let's be good listeners (yes, Hillary we are listening)
and see and hear who tries to divide our nation; and who wants to unite our
nation. Who wants to control how our money is spent and who wants our money spent the way we would spend it. Who seeks power and who seeks justice?
Who spins the facts and who is genuine.

[JayHall93]

training accidents occur at a high rate. when your not at war, you train up to 6-7 months out of the year. I'm not surprised.

Again, what your story fails to mention is these deaths are calculating in fatal traffic accidents, drownings, suicides, every form of death.

Fatal accidents in the military are very high.

[uppy]

training accidents occur at a high rate. when your not at war, you train up to 6-7 months out of the year. I'm not surprised.

I've posted the same thing before Hallock
I'm glad to have some back-up.Do you recall
all the choppers that went down when Clinton was Prez it was like one or two a month?

[JayHall93]

Yup. I was in Korea at the time. We had some go down there.

[uppy]

Old Togo D. West jr hated to buy spare parts,but loved to spend money
on diversity Studies.

[JLB]

eye opener.

[TheGoodShepherd]

This is not 'eye-opening.' This is retarded biased idiocy.

Not to mention it does not even mention the thousands upon thousands wounded in Iraq or even Iraqi deaths.

Nope. Its just all about Americans....and they cant even get that right.

[nehemiah]

this thread is making me hallucinate.

i thought you didn't smoke weed.

[nehemiah]

A spam e-mail making the rounds in the military community serves as a reminder that
facts can be flexible when they are launched anonymously into the vast void of
cyberspace.

The e-mail, entitled, “Some very interesting statistics: Military losses, 1980 through
2006,” states that more U.S. service members died on active duty during the eight years
of the Clinton administration, when there were no major U.S. military conflicts, than in
the first six years of the George W. Bush administration, during which the military was
fighting two large-scale wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The e-mail offers year-by-year U.S. military death totals from all causes — operations,
illness, accidents, suicides, etc. — from 1980 through 2006.

The data supposedly were taken from a periodically updated Congressional Research
Service report on the subject, which in turn is based on statistics compiled by the
Pentagon’s Defense Manpower and Data Center.

There’s just one problem: The figures listed in the email are wrong. They vary markedly
from the figures published in the cited CRS source document.
http://ftp.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

[TheGoodShepherd]

A spam e-mail making the rounds in the military community serves as a reminder that
facts can be flexible when they are launched anonymously into the vast void of
cyberspace.

The e-mail, entitled, “Some very interesting statistics: Military losses, 1980 through
2006,” states that more U.S. service members died on active duty during the eight years
of the Clinton administration, when there were no major U.S. military conflicts, than in
the first six years of the George W. Bush administration, during which the military was
fighting two large-scale wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The e-mail offers year-by-year U.S. military death totals from all causes — operations,
illness, accidents, suicides, etc. — from 1980 through 2006.

The data supposedly were taken from a periodically updated Congressional Research
Service report on the subject, which in turn is based on statistics compiled by the
Pentagon’s Defense Manpower and Data Center.

There’s just one problem: The figures listed in the email are wrong. They vary markedly
from the figures published in the cited CRS source document.
http://ftp.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf


HAHAHA...once again Uppy and the idiots prove themselves to be total LOSERS!

LOL

[JayHall93]

Old Togo D. West jr hated to buy spare parts,but loved to spend money
on diversity Studies.

When i was in Kuwait in 94 he came to eat lunch with us at the mess hall and sat next to me.

[JayHall93]

HAHAHA...once again Uppy and the idiots prove themselves to be total LOSERS!

LOL

The only looser on the thread is you.

The facts are still the same that i posted.

[JLB]

HAHAHA...once again Uppy and the idiots prove themselves to be total LOSERS!

LOL

post not poster.

[pmoon6]

HAHAHA...once again Uppy and the idiots prove themselves to be total LOSERS!

LOLAt least Uppy and Hallock had the sack to serve.

[TheGoodShepherd]

At least Uppy and Hallock had the sack to serve.

Had the 'hack' to serve?

LOL...thats even funnier. I do not care if someone served or did not. It is useless to me. Especially if all they did was put gas in Humvees.

Yea, real freakin brave. You want brave? Try growing up in Detroit.

I know people who would cut your throat and then go out to eat as if nothing happened.

If you think 'brave' is fighting with one million other people than you are wrong.

Throw these fake right wing tough guys individually into a neigbourhood in Detroit and watch what happens.

They are fake tough. Get it....FAKE tough guys.

If the whole world was coming to an end I would not need anyone's army to come rescue or save me.

I do not care.

Always remember that.

[uppy]

A spam e-mail making the rounds in the military community serves as a reminder that
facts can be flexible when they are launched anonymously into the vast void of
cyberspace.

The e-mail, entitled, “Some very interesting statistics: Military losses, 1980 through
2006,” states that more U.S. service members died on active duty during the eight years
of the Clinton administration, when there were no major U.S. military conflicts, than in
the first six years of the George W. Bush administration, during which the military was
fighting two large-scale wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The e-mail offers year-by-year U.S. military death totals from all causes — operations,
illness, accidents, suicides, etc. — from 1980 through 2006.

The data supposedly were taken from a periodically updated Congressional Research
Service report on the subject, which in turn is based on statistics compiled by the
Pentagon’s Defense Manpower and Data Center.

There’s just one problem: The figures listed in the email are wrong. They vary markedly
from the figures published in the cited CRS source document.
http://ftp.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

Ok Nehe,using the info from your link "table 5"

under clinton we had 8,793

under Mr.Bush we have had 8,792

My point being the we lose men in training at
about the same rate as the war on terror.

[pmoon6]

Had the 'hack' to serve?

LOL...thats even funnier. I do not care if someone served or did not. It is useless to me. Especially if all they did was put gas in Humvees.

Yea, real freakin brave. You want brave? Try growing up in Detroit.

I know people who would cut your throat and then go out to eat as if nothing happened.

If you think 'brave' is fighting with one million other people than you are wrong.

Throw these fake right wing tough guys individually into a neigbourhood in Detroit and watch what happens.

They are fake tough. Get it....FAKE tough guys.

If the whole world was coming to an end I would not need anyone's army to come rescue or save me.

I do not care.

Always remember that.Aahh, the mean streets of the Motor City.

It's been my experience that the ghetto youth don't usually take you on unless they outnumber you or think you're outgunned.

Them be some brave compadres, there Chimp.

[uppy]

Had the 'hack' to serve?

LOL...thats even funnier. I do not care if someone served or did not. It is useless to me. Especially if all they did was put gas in Humvees.

Yea, real freakin brave. You want brave? Try growing up in Detroit.

I know people who would cut your throat and then go out to eat as if nothing happened.

If you think 'brave' is fighting with one million other people than you are wrong.

Throw these fake right wing tough guys individually into a neigbourhood in Detroit and watch what happens.

They are fake tough. Get it....FAKE tough guys.

If the whole world was coming to an end I would not need anyone's army to come rescue or save me.

I do not care.

Always remember that.

:rofl:

[TheGoodShepherd]

Aahh, the mean streets of the Motor City.

It's been my experience that the ghetto youth don't usually take you on unless they outnumber you or think you're outgunned.

Them be some brave compadres, there Chimp.

Are you kidding me?

The toughest, biggest and baddest individuals I know would kick your ass without anyone's help.

Dude, why do you think NFL and college teams largely recruit from poorer neighbourhoods?

Because thats where one finds the biggest, baddest and fastest people for football.

It has nothing to do with 'groups'. They're just bigger than your little white ass and theres nothing you can do about it.

Like I said, throw a right winger individually into Detroit...watch what happens.

[pmoon6]

Are you kidding me?

The toughest, biggest and baddest individuals I know would kick your ass without anyone's help.

Dude, why do you think NFL and college teams largely recruit from poorer neighbourhoods?

Because thats where one finds the biggest, baddest and fastest people for football.

It has nothing to do with 'groups'. They're just bigger than your little white ass and theres nothing you can do about it.

Like I said, throw a right winger individually into Detroit...watch what happens.:rofl:

Maybe now, I'm an older fella.

As far as my "little white ass" goes....Is that a racial slur?

God created all men.

Smith & Wesson made them equal.

[uppy]

:rofl:

I've been to detroit chimp and I made it out alive even with all those "biggest, baddest and fastest people" around

[ticatfan3]

Had the 'hack' to serve?

LOL...thats even funnier. I do not care if someone served or did not. It is useless to me. Especially if all they did was put gas in Humvees.

Yea, real freakin brave. You want brave? Try growing up in Detroit.

I know people who would cut your throat and then go out to eat as if nothing happened.

If you think 'brave' is fighting with one million other people than you are wrong.

Throw these fake right wing tough guys individually into a neigbourhood in Detroit and watch what happens.

They are fake tough. Get it....FAKE tough guys.

If the whole world was coming to an end I would not need anyone's army to come rescue or save me.

I do not care.

Always remember that.
I imagine where ever you live ,people will wnt to cut your throat.

[uppy]

LMAO

Its been a while since we've had a good chimp melt !

Keep it going chimp !

Toss down your lawn rake ....and bring it on !!

[pmoon6]

:rofl:

I've been to detroit chimp and I made it out alive even with all those "biggest, baddest and fastest people" aroundI've been to Detroit also.

He makes it out like the residents are just looking to beat the **** out of a white boy.

You don't **** with them, they won't **** with you.

I will give a piece of advice, though. Any ghetto you go in, Buffalo, Detroit, Houston, Miami, or Denver.

Show no fear, look your black or brown brothers in the eye and say "How ya doin".

If that doesn't work, pull out the hardware.

[JayHall93]

Had the 'hack' to serve?

LOL...thats even funnier. I do not care if someone served or did not. It is useless to me. Especially if all they did was put gas in Humvees.

Yea, real freakin brave. You want brave? Try growing up in Detroit.

I know people who would cut your throat and then go out to eat as if nothing happened.

If you think 'brave' is fighting with one million other people than you are wrong.

Throw these fake right wing tough guys individually into a neigbourhood in Detroit and watch what happens.

They are fake tough. Get it....FAKE tough guys.

If the whole world was coming to an end I would not need anyone's army to come rescue or save me.

I do not care.

Always remember that.

I can assure you, mighty internet warrior, that i did a hell of a lot more than fueling vehicles. Sheesh.

Get real. You sure can research some news links, but you don't know shit about the military.

[pmoon6]

I can assure you, mighty internet warrior, that i did a hell of a lot more than fueling vehicles. Sheesh.

Get real. You sure can research some news links, but you don't know shit about the military.He's tougher than you, man.

His momma tilted nipple to him while he saw a big bad dude beat up on somebody.

Mean streets of Detroit. It's just like a war zone.:D

[dilbert]

Left out of this information, in addition to the Iraqi's civilans, are the American civilans killed in Iraq.


http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/330512.html

[JayHall93]

He's tougher than you, man.

His momma tilted nipple to him while he saw a big bad dude beat up on somebody.

Mean streets of Detroit. It's just like a war zone.:D

I bet he had bottles of 40's for breakfast, huh. Mean shit. Remind me never to enter detroit without full combat gear.

Sheesh.

[ticatfan3]

So chimp if you are so tough ,then why did you flee detroit to TO?

[Merc]

It was a pretty well known fact that when we had heavy deployment schedules the deaths went down. We lose more kids in car accidents than anything else and I think that PDF bears that out. Another interesting note in there is the number of suicided since the start of the war. They seemed have gone down quite a bit.

Chimp, if you call some psychotic brave because he can slit a throat without thinkng twice about it then I am a little worried about your state of mind. By your Jeffrey Dahmer is a very brave man? Courage is not the ability to kill someone without flinching an eye, it is the inner strength to put yourself in harms way and do your job while in mortal danger. Methinks you'd be peeing your pants, as you scurried back from the line, squealing like some pillowbiter on his first "BIG" date. Sit over there in the corner and let the men talk chimpster.