Question For 5 Posters In Particular

[35Pete]

Here it is.

Anyone please answer but I'd really like to hear Gilchrist's, CoachC's, Merks, Admarc's, and our resident contrarian (LOL!!!) Chimp's opinions.

This seems like a possible tradeup year unlike past years.

What do you think the odds are that a team calls the Bills and slaps down and offer for a trade?

Who?

What are the potential offers in hand?

Thoughts?

Thanks.

[CoachC.]

First, most teams are looking to trade DOWN this year, not up, which diminishes the chances - and value - of a trade-up from someone......at least right now.

That being said, when this thing gets going on Saturday, and we get a surprise pick or or two there in the top-10, THAT'S when the Bills phone will start ringing, and I have no doubt it will. I'm just not sure how good the offers will be.

I wouldn't expect any team below 19 to make the kind of offer it would take for us to move down, unless it's either:
1) a situation involving pick(s) this year AND a 1st next year; or
2) Dallas, because they have two picks.

Other than that, a trade involving a team 12-19 could be made relatively easy. See my "history of the 11th pick being traded" thread. The 11 usually goes for a swap (in that 12-15 area) and an extra 3rd. From 16-19 I'm guessing it would take a swap and a 2nd or a swap, a 3rd, and another later pick.

Teams that may want to deal up:
Chicago
Philly
Washington
Dallas

[SpikedLemonade]

Plenty of teams want to trade down Pete.

Who would the Bills be targeting to trade up?

New England at #7, Baltimore, Cinci all would trade down to #11 for the Bills 2nd round draft pick, but what would the Bills be looking to accomplish?

The only scenario I see the Bills trade up into the top 10 picks is if DT Sedrick Ellis were to drop past the 6th pick and Bills wanted him so much that they were willing to take a chance that a #2 WR would be available in the 3rd round.

I just don't see them wanting Ellis that much, but I would not be opposed to it since he is a very special talent.

As to the Bills trading down, again I have said it repeatedly that it is a lot easier to trade up than it is to trade down.

The Bills would be lucky to have a team in the 15th to 25th pick of the 1st round wish to trade up to #11. The first 10 picks would need to fall perfectly for a much desired player to teams other than the Bills slipping to #11. Possibly an OT or DE, but I just don't see it.

I expect the Bills will be forced to draft at #11 this year.

[Merk]

When this draft process started back in Jan the Bills were one of the more likely teams to move up because of the situation at DT. There were and still are only 2 DT's,Ellis and Dorsey, who have the ability to make a significant impact in there rookie years from the DT spot.

Since the Stroud trade however the Bills have become a more likely candidate to stay put or move down now that there needs have shifted. I still expect the Bills to stay at 11 and make there pick because this front office doesn't really care if the general public thinks they got good value or not. If they like a player there going to take him where they sit and not risk losing him by moving down.

[Callaway]

Merk pretty much summed it up. The only way I can see us moving up is if Gholston falls to 8 and the Bills are really high on him and make the move up w/ Baltimore

[Merk]

Merk pretty much summed it up. The only way I can see us moving up is if Gholston falls to 8 and the Bills are really high on him and make the move up w/ Baltimore


That is the only scenario in which I think the Bills would consider a move up.

Even then I would look at it as a long shot at best

That said It would def lend to some interesting convo in the Bills War Room if Gholston or Long fell to 8 and the Ravens were then calling around looking for a spot to move down to. Pairing one of those two w/ Schobel along w/ Stroud drawing doubles in the middle would really transform this defense and give it a face.

[gilchristfan]

Yeah, I agree with what Merk said about the trading up for Ellis prior to FA and the acquisition of Stroud.

As far as trading down...does KC become a potential candidate with the 17th pick? They have 3 3rd round choices...so they have the picks. If Long and Gholston are gone, its a possibility. Or....they may have a LT targeted, not worthy of the 5th pick, but whom they think will be gone by 17. Just an idea.

[f8ta1ity54]

does gholston project as a better 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB?

[JimKelly12203]

I really believe we're going to stand pat this year with our first pick 11th overall. I think we will move back up into the late first or early second as we have in the past two seasons to address another need position. First two picks will likely be at DE, WR, TE or CB. We'll go with the best value at one of those spots with pick 11 (and that may be D. Thomas on the Bills board) and then they'll move up to address one of the other three big needs.

It just seems like something they like to do in this FO - draft two top 50 picks that they expect to start immediately. And when you consider the fact that we have 10 picks this year, we've probably never been in a better position to do it since this regieme has taken charge.

If we move down we get another pick. But do we really need or want more than 10 picks? I guess an additional 3rd rounder or a second would be great either way. I really do see us moving up this year though. Not into the top 10, but up nontheless.

[LotteryPick]

I know I wasn't specifically asked for my opinion, but I consider myself knowledgable when it comes to the draft, so I will add to the conversation.

Trades are always talked about and it always depends on how the draft unfolds. The most likely trade scenario that I can see is if there are the makings of a run on OL early. There are 4 major OL possibilities in round 1, 3 are tackles (Clady, Otah and Williams) the other is a G (Albert).

There are many teams that need OTs badly (DAL, DEN, CAR, CHI, PHI, HOU and WAS). If one of these OL goes off the board before we pick, some teams may begin to go into panic mode. If Clady or Albert (the two most likely) gettaken before the Bills, it is likely that one of the OTs will go to Denver at #12.

This leaves 2 top tier OL prospects left with at least 3-4 more teams in dire need of an OT. In that situation, the Bills might be able to make a trade with a PHI or HOU (especially if they are serious about not feeling a serious need for RB).

I honestly can't see another position that would cause a trade up. OT is thin after the top guys while WR and CB are very deep this year. Ryan won't last to #11 and after him, there is no QB that really draws interest. The only possibiltiy is DE, but with Long and Gholston likely coming off the board early, a team would have to like Harvery considerably more than Merling, Groves and Campbell and I don't see that happening.

[ksl66]

Pick #11 should land them a very good player, but unfortunately their two biggest areas of need will be difficult to address at 11: TE and WR. They are both positions that require a difficult transition from college to the pros, not to mention that neither position has a stand out NUMBER ONE GUY. In short even if a TE or WR graded out at 11 for them, the chances of that player having a major impact next year is relatively low.

For me this adds up to the Bills taking the best player available at 11 regardless of position, and since I don't think Mckelvin will be there and I don't think they have that high of a grade on DRC (based on what they have said about him, just reading between the lines), I am going to say Harvey will be the choice. That being said I would love them to move down, I just don't see a player there that other teams covet enough to move up.

[JimKelly12203]

I know I wasn't specifically asked for my opinion, but I consider myself knowledgable when it comes to the draft, so I will add to the conversation.

Trades are always talked about and it always depends on how the draft unfolds. The most likely trade scenario that I can see is if there are the makings of a run on OL early. There are 4 major OL possibilities in round 1, 3 are tackles (Clady, Otah and Williams) the other is a G (Albert).

There are many teams that need OTs badly (DAL, DEN, CAR, CHI, PHI, HOU and WAS). If one of these OL goes off the board before we pick, some teams may begin to go into panic mode. If Clady or Albert (the two most likely) gettaken before the Bills, it is likely that one of the OTs will go to Denver at #12.

This leaves 2 top tier OL prospects left with at least 3-4 more teams in dire need of an OT. In that situation, the Bills might be able to make a trade with a PHI or HOU (especially if they are serious about not feeling a serious need for RB).

I honestly can't see another position that would cause a trade up. OT is thin after the top guys while WR and CB are very deep this year. Ryan won't last to #11 and after him, there is no QB that really draws interest. The only possibiltiy is DE, but with Long and Gholston likely coming off the board early, a team would have to like Harvery considerably more than Merling, Groves and Campbell and I don't see that happening.

From what i've seen, Jaxonville likes Harvey a lot. But then again the fact that i "know" that would definitely lead me to believe that it's smoke and mirrors on the part of Jack DelRio and co. Still, if Harvey's there when we pick, i would not be shocked if we got a phone call from jaxonville. Whether or not their potential offer is worth it for us is a different story.