Optimal sex should only last 3-13 minutes!!!!

[coryjd]

NEW YORK (AP) -- Maybe men had it right all along: It doesn't take long to satisfy a woman in bed.

It's difficult for men of all ages to make sexual intercourse last much longer, a psychologist says.

A survey of sex therapists concluded the optimal amount of time for sexual intercourse was 3 to 13 minutes. The findings, to be published in the May issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine, strike at the notion that endurance is the key to a great sex life.

...more...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/04/02/sex.survey.ap/index.html

Thank the lord - I am now absolved of all my three-minute marathons! :)

[sukie]

Quantifying content in a physical act... I like these egoic experts... they are amusing when they always place the quantified illusion of time on a moment and then place the subjective label as normal or abnormal based on past events.

[35Pete]

I need to be pet and kissed. Lots of foreplay, cuddling, and romantic intimacy required before I make love to that special woman.

:barf:

OK, reality check.

If she's cute she can use me like a POS boy toy tramp whore then toss my ass out onto the driveway when she's done.

At least I busted a nut.

Hopefully in less than 3 minutes. I have errands to run and blackjack later tonight with the boys.

[coryjd]

I need to be pet and kissed. Lots of foreplay, cuddling, and romantic intimacy required before I make love to that special woman.

:barf:

OK, reality check.

If she's cute she can use me like a POS boy toy tramp whore then toss my ass out onto the driveway when she's done.

At least I busted a nut.

Hopefully in less than 3 minutes. I have errands to run and blackjack later tonight with the boys.

That is the same ****ing response I got from a buddy of mine at work today, except it it went like this:

"I could only hope she throws my ass out on the curb, so I can go drink, scratch my balls, fart openly, and play golf with my buddies."

Awesome.

[SpikedLemonade]

Quantifying content in a physical act... I like these egoic experts... they are amusing when they always place the quantified illusion of time on a moment and then place the subjective label as normal or abnormal based on past events.

Spoken like a true premature ejeculator.

[nehemiah]

i'm great in bed.

i have skilled technique and i have a huge penis.

[coryjd]

i'm great in bed.

i have skilled technique and i have a huge penis.

:barf:

[35Pete]

Quantifying content in a physical act... I like these egoic experts... they are amusing when they always place the quantified illusion of time on a moment and then place the subjective label as normal or abnormal based on past events.

Dude. You're talking funny lately. Have you been asked at work to piss into the cup yet? :D

[35Pete]

i'm great in bed.

i have skilled technique and i have a huge penis.

:barf:

"Those that brag the most have the least" ~ Jesus. Acts II verse 6.

[dilbert]

i'm great in bed.

i have skilled technique and i have a huge penis.


I am sure your pet sheep is very appreciative.

[sukie]

I am sure your pet sheep is very appreciative.

:rofl:

[SpikedLemonade]

I am sure your pet sheep is very appreciative.

As long as it is not my pet sheep he's ramming than ewe can believe I'm OK with it.

[dilbert]

As long as it is not my pet sheep he's ramming than ewe can believe I'm OK with it.


That is wrong and bad on so many levels.......

[Ru]

Quantifying content in a physical act... I like these egoic experts... they are amusing when they always place the quantified illusion of time on a moment and then place the subjective label as normal or abnormal based on past events.

What? I seriously have no idea what you just posted.

[sukie]

I apologize for the confusion. They labeled the over the median 'time" as good and they labeled the under the median time as bad... that is silly. they then came up with an expected norm based on a study... Utter madness.

[35Pete]

I apologize for the confusion. They labeled the over the median 'time" as good and they labeled the under the median time as bad... that is silly. they then came up with an expected norm based on a study... Utter madness.

These stats as presented are useless on so many levels. Ask Dilbert, he's a stats geek.

[chickie]

NEW YORK (AP) -- Maybe men had it right all along: It doesn't take long to satisfy a woman in bed.

It's difficult for men of all ages to make sexual intercourse last much longer, a psychologist says.

A survey of sex therapists concluded the optimal amount of time for sexual intercourse was 3 to 13 minutes. The findings, to be published in the May issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine, strike at the notion that endurance is the key to a great sex life.

...more...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/04/02/sex.survey.ap/index.html

Thank the lord - I am now absolved of all my three-minute marathons! :)


Alright boys you knew I would HAVE to chime in.

A - the ONLY time you are allowed 3 min is for a nooner.

B - If you don't give me AT LEAST 20 min of that beautiful thing hanging in between your legs I am going to be pissed.

and C - If you give me less then 20 min, you had better be damn good - but you are still going to be in trouble.

After that your ass can go where ever it may please. :)

[35Pete]

Alright boys you knew I would HAVE to chime in.

A - the ONLY time you are allowed 3 min is for a nooner.

B - If you don't give me AT LEAST 20 min of that beautiful thing hanging in between your lesg I am going to be pissed.

and C - If you give me less then 20 min, you had better be damn good - but you are still going to be in trouble.

After that your ass can go where ever it may please. :)

Well since you're asking I'll start the bid at 21 minutes. :D

[Gibby]

i'm great in bed.

i have skilled technique and i have a huge penis.

9 millimeters is not huge. :D

[chickie]

Well since you're asking I'll start the bid at 21 minutes. :D

You'll start the bidding at 21 min??

Come on I know somone can top that..

I am one sexy lady ranger here!!

:ladyrangers: :ladyrangers: :ladyrangers: :ladyrangers:

[35Pete]

You'll start the bidding at 21 min??

Come on I know somone can top that..

I am one sexy lady ranger here!!

:ladyrangers: :ladyrangers: :ladyrangers: :ladyrangers:

Don't worry. Whatever the high bid is I'll just add 3 seconds to it, toss in flowers and dinner at Berns.

I got it locked up. So. When are you free? ;)

[chickie]

Don't worry. Whatever the high bid is I'll just add 3 seconds to it, toss in flowers and dinner at Berns.

I got it locked up. So. When are you free? ;)

I will bow to your feet.. :love30:

[uppy]

I have a feeling brother Pete would out bid us all :D

[35Pete]

I have a feeling brother Pete would out bid us all :D

I didn't tell her that I'll break it up into segments. And little do you know that dinner at Berns is getting charged to YOUR account. :D

[uppy]

I'm happy these days if I can get it done in under 15 minutes.....Bev,I'll be on
the clock soon

life is good

[35Pete]

I'm happy these days if I can get it done in under 15 minutes.....Bev,I'll be on
the clock soon

life is good

:rofl:

I see some woman holding a stopwatch like during that study and I'm getting turtle weenie like right then and there.

Droop!

[uppy]

I didn't tell her that I'll break it up into segments. And little do you know that dinner at Berns is getting charged to YOUR account. :D

Pete,I be in FLA next month and I will give you
more then 3 seconds if you bring me to Berns

LOL

[35Pete]

Pete,I be in FLA next month and I will give you
more then 3 seconds if you bring me to Berns

LOL

Do I get the courtesy of a reacharound? :D

You gonna be in Florida? Seriously? Where?

[uppy]

:rofl:

I see some woman holding a stopwatch like during that study and I'm getting turtle weenie like right then and there.

Droop!

Brother-drink OJ it keeps the putter fluttering

[35Pete]

Bring sunscreen. With global warming happening it's hot down here! Hell, it's only April, fresh out of winter and it's in the 70s already!!! :D

[uppy]

Do I get the courtesy of a reacharound? :D

You gonna be in Florida? Seriously? Where?

I sent you a PM Pete

[sukie]

What type of nerd needed an optimal time for sex anyway? Was this a funded study?

[sukie]

I sent you a PM Pete

Oh I see... I'm chopped liver.

[35Pete]

What type of nerd needed an optimal time for sex anyway? Was this a funded study?

No kidding, right?

I thought a good roll in the hay took whatever it took.

Lunchtime? 15 minutes.

Saturday evening? Bedtime at 8. LOL

[35Pete]

Oh I see... I'm chopped liver.

You didn't promise him dinner at Berns.

Plus. You get to hang out with him after he punches me. LMAO!!!

[uppy]

Oh I see... I'm chopped liver.

Sukie you buying me a beer goes with-out
saying.I just need to find a way out of the
head butt you'd be giving me ....LOLL

Life is Good.

[sukie]

Why would I head but you... it's the fear of Aqua heading south and turning left that should concern you.

[uppy]

Why would I head but you... it's the fear of Aqua heading south and turning left that should concern you.

I'm Irish the King is Irish you owe the King
a head butt........

Aqua,I have no fear of since his TRIP started.


http://www.sirbacon.org/4membersonly/pyramidA.GIF

[chickie]

Do I get the courtesy of a reacharound? :D

You gonna be in Florida? Seriously? Where?

wait what is this I am being passed up now for UPPY??

Man this is a real blow~

[uppy]

wait what is this I am being passed up now for UPPY??

Man this is a real blow~

Ooooooo know-you said "blow" to Pete He'll
toss me to the curb now :(

[chickie]

I know the secrets to the best blows! The velvet tounge!! :) :) :)

[jimmifli]

Sukie2.0 rules another thread.

[coryjd]

I know the secrets to the best blows! The velvet tounge!! :) :) :)

Whoa!!!!! :)

[35Pete]

Whoa!!!!! :)

Yeah. She's educated on this stuff alright. LOL

[coryjd]

Yeah. She's educated on this stuff alright. LOL

Awesome. From experience?? :)

[chickie]

No one out here has NEVER had the velvet tongue experience?? Seriously??

[35Pete]

No one out here has NEVER had the velvet tongue experience?? Seriously??

I've had a GF give me the butterfly flick. Does that count?

How about ice cubes?

[chickie]

I've had a GF give me the butterfly flick. Does that count?

How about ice cubes?

LOL! No that is for amateurs.

Ice cubes.....getting closer Petey. :)

[35Pete]

LOL! No that is for amateurs.

Ice cubes.....getting closer Petey. :)

Boy. I'm throwing in a box of chocolates. LOL

I really wouldn't know chickie. I am completely unskilled at the art of felatio since I don't slob the knob.

Now cunnilingus. There's a subject I can let my mouth run for hours over.

Pun intended.

[chickie]

The Velvet Tongue is an advanced blowjob technique that is said to be immensely pleasurable. It was supposedly a favorite of Marilyn Monroe in her many encounters with famous men. She was quietly quite famous for her repertoire. The basic idea is to keep a warm viscous liquid in the partner's mouth to enhance the pleasure of oral sex.

Preparation (a minute before hand, this is fast):

Heat up a mix of water and regular honey (about 50/50) in the microwave for a few seconds.
Mix the two a little bit so that it is more viscous than the honey, and then re-microwave it for a few seconds
The resulting liquid should be a thicker than water, sweet concoction.
The ideal temperature should be a hot, but not scalding mixture. Think "slightly warmer than warm" ((Please for the love of Christ, be careful ladies; those things are sensitive)


Performance:

My suggestion is to put a drop of the mixture on to a sensitive, non-genital part (an inner thigh perhaps) of the man to be receiving this great pleasure, for temperature testing. Once this is set, the giver places it into her (or his) mouth, and coats their tongue as much as possible with the liquid. The warm, sweet liquid greatly enhances pleasure for the male, and reduces any poor taste of those regions for the partner.

This is a great technique for those who don't want to get too crazy, but want to try something awesome. The Velvet Tongue is a tad messy (as it does involve honey), so keep warm water around, or take a shower afterwards. Again, be careful about the temperature. Many people prefer the consistency of the mixture differently. Experiment and as with anything, have fun.

[35Pete]

The Velvet Tongue is an advanced blowjob technique that is said to be immensely pleasurable. It was supposedly a favorite of Marilyn Monroe in her many encounters with famous men. She was quietly quite famous for her repertoire. The basic idea is to keep a warm viscous liquid in the partner's mouth to enhance the pleasure of oral sex.

Preparation (a minute before hand, this is fast):

Heat up a mix of water and regular honey (about 50/50) in the microwave for a few seconds.
Mix the two a little bit so that it is more viscous than the honey, and then re-microwave it for a few seconds
The resulting liquid should be a thicker than water, sweet concoction.
The ideal temperature should be a hot, but not scalding mixture. Think "slightly warmer than warm" ((Please for the love of Christ, be careful ladies; those things are sensitive)


Performance:

My suggestion is to put a drop of the mixture on to a sensitive, non-genital part (an inner thigh perhaps) of the man to be receiving this great pleasure, for temperature testing. Once this is set, the giver places it into her (or his) mouth, and coats their tongue as much as possible with the liquid. The warm, sweet liquid greatly enhances pleasure for the male, and reduces any poor taste of those regions for the partner.

This is a great technique for those who don't want to get too crazy, but want to try something awesome. The Velvet Tongue is a tad messy (as it does involve honey), so keep warm water around, or take a shower afterwards. Again, be careful about the temperature. Many people prefer the consistency of the mixture differently. Experiment and as with anything, have fun.

Thanks for the advice. I'll put it in the recipe roladex in case I ever decide to become gay.

Now excuse me. There's something I need to do. Be back in THREE minutes.

There is no poor taste with me. I've often been told that I taste like a hot buttered crouisant, or strawberries and cream. One of the two.

[chickie]

Thanks for the advice. I'll put in in the recipe roladex in case I ever decide to become gay.

Now excuse me. There's something I need to do. Be back in THREE minutes.

There is no poor taste with me. I've often been told that I taste like a hot uttered crouisant.

Pete - this is for a woman to do to a man.

Trust me you woud ENJOY it very very very much!

[35Pete]

Pete - this is for a woman to do to a man.

Trust me you woud ENJOY it very very very much!

Yeah. I kinda figured that out when I read that.

Where are these women? Geez. Now I gotta teach them this too? I'll tell them chickie told me about it on a messageboard.

"Sure Pete". I can hear it now. LOL

[chickie]

Yeah. I kinda figured that out when I read that.

Where are these women? Geez. Now I gotta teach them this too? I'll tell them chickie told me about it on a messageboard.

"Sure Pete". I can hear it now. LOL

LMAO!!

I kinda thought you were joking but I was just making sure there.

Here is a tip - everyone should get the book 101 night of great sex. There are all kinds of fun little things like that to do. That is where I learned that trick - I got's lot more up my clit...I mean sleeve too...

[chickie]

The book is to be used with partners. The partner does not know what the night is going to bring them. It is fun....

[dilbert]

I hope Pete has a box of tissues handy.

[gilchristfan]

The Velvet Tongue is an advanced blowjob technique that is said to be immensely pleasurable. It was supposedly a favorite of Marilyn Monroe in her many encounters with famous men. She was quietly quite famous for her repertoire. The basic idea is to keep a warm viscous liquid in the partner's mouth to enhance the pleasure of oral sex.

Preparation (a minute before hand, this is fast):

Heat up a mix of water and regular honey (about 50/50) in the microwave for a few seconds.
Mix the two a little bit so that it is more viscous than the honey, and then re-microwave it for a few seconds
The resulting liquid should be a thicker than water, sweet concoction.
The ideal temperature should be a hot, but not scalding mixture. Think "slightly warmer than warm" ((Please for the love of Christ, be careful ladies; those things are sensitive)


Performance:

My suggestion is to put a drop of the mixture on to a sensitive, non-genital part (an inner thigh perhaps) of the man to be receiving this great pleasure, for temperature testing. Once this is set, the giver places it into her (or his) mouth, and coats their tongue as much as possible with the liquid. The warm, sweet liquid greatly enhances pleasure for the male, and reduces any poor taste of those regions for the partner.

This is a great technique for those who don't want to get too crazy, but want to try something awesome. The Velvet Tongue is a tad messy (as it does involve honey), so keep warm water around, or take a shower afterwards. Again, be careful about the temperature. Many people prefer the consistency of the mixture differently. Experiment and as with anything, have fun.

I printed this out and placed it on my wife's pillow.

leaving love notes is endearing to a relationship.

[35Pete]

I hope Pete has a box of tissues handy.

My hand was tired last night and I had a headache.

[Victor7]

things to do during the weekend

1. buy a stop watch and set it to 3 minutes
2. buy some honey
3. buy a second stop watch in case the 1st one gets tossed after 34 seconds :D

[Lateralus]

nice, 2 minutes 30 seconds more and I'm there.

[35Pete]

nice, 2 minutes 30 seconds more and I'm there.

Look at all the energy you save for a good game of pickup basketball though?

[chickie]

Chickie is going to have to start the weekly thread of 101 nights of great sex for all you amature's out here!!

:)

[Meathead]

men: the secret to great sex?

focus on making your partner reach shangri-la before yourself

if you do that they turn into putty. very suggestible putty. then you can really get your freak on

this is why white girls, heck all girls, eventually tire of the brothers. they dont do that. just ask the honeys

fortunately i love that

i have assembled a comprehensive list of techniques that address a wide variety of female preferences

and i will be adding velvet tongue to that catalog

i would tell you some of the entries but then id have to kill you

[chickie]

men: the secret to great sex?

focus on making your partner reach shangri-la before yourself

if you do that they turn into putty. very suggestible putty. then you can really get your freak on

this is why white girls, heck all girls, eventually tire of the brothers. they dont do that. just ask the honeys

fortunately i love that

i have assembled a comprehensive list of techniques that address a wide variety of female preferences

and i will be adding velvet tongue to that catalog

i would tell you some of the entries but then id have to kill you

Oh come no now King Meaty!! I shared one of mine...and you even want to add that to your catalog.

Now return the favor and lets see if I will be adding one of yours to mine!

[Meathead]

no im sorry but i only do my demos in person

besides im not sure any of my techniques are tranferrable to men

unless maybe you are a switch hitter perhaps

but thanks for the update. im looking forward to trying it on the lucky woman

[Lateralus]

The Velvet Tongue is an advanced blowjob technique that is said to be immensely pleasurable. It was supposedly a favorite of Marilyn Monroe in her many encounters with famous men. She was quietly quite famous for her repertoire. The basic idea is to keep a warm viscous liquid in the partner's mouth to enhance the pleasure of oral sex.

Preparation (a minute before hand, this is fast):

Heat up a mix of water and regular honey (about 50/50) in the microwave for a few seconds.
Mix the two a little bit so that it is more viscous than the honey, and then re-microwave it for a few seconds
The resulting liquid should be a thicker than water, sweet concoction.
The ideal temperature should be a hot, but not scalding mixture. Think "slightly warmer than warm" ((Please for the love of Christ, be careful ladies; those things are sensitive)


Performance:

My suggestion is to put a drop of the mixture on to a sensitive, non-genital part (an inner thigh perhaps) of the man to be receiving this great pleasure, for temperature testing. Once this is set, the giver places it into her (or his) mouth, and coats their tongue as much as possible with the liquid. The warm, sweet liquid greatly enhances pleasure for the male, and reduces any poor taste of those regions for the partner.

This is a great technique for those who don't want to get too crazy, but want to try something awesome. The Velvet Tongue is a tad messy (as it does involve honey), so keep warm water around, or take a shower afterwards. Again, be careful about the temperature. Many people prefer the consistency of the mixture differently. Experiment and as with anything, have fun.

Can we please get a round of applause for gopchick/chickie?

[35Pete]

Chickie is going to have to start the weekly thread of 101 nights of great sex for all you amature's out here!!

:)

Deal. You bring the honey. I'll bring the hot buttered crouissant.

[Rockstar]

Sex huh?
It’s possible as a career bartender I have had a….um… few encounters in this arena.
Bottom line to make a woman happy? Listen to her talk. Seriously. A woman (like anyone) wants to feel special. Even if it’s a one night stand. (Not that I ever had one, cough, cough)
A Woman getting off is all about foreplay. And you would be surprised to know foreplay isn’t always physical.
A big part of this non physical foreplay is her being comfortable with herself in the situation. If you make her feel attractive, smart and fun. She will be able to get over her own mental walls and that is half way to the climax for her. I’m not talking about bullsh*ting her. I’m talking about actually listening to her (even if you don’t want to)

Of course lasting more than 15 minutes is kinda important but more than 50-60 minutes and she will be sore.
Women can sense if your comfortable with yourself, so do what you have to do to get there. Talk to your self in the bathroom or get drunk, whatever. If you’re confident she is gonna open up.

When it’s over, don’t be clingy but don’t be afraid to show some affection. This will give you a good chance of a future encounter, or at the very least be respectful. Karma is a bitch. Even in a wonderfully dirty, nasty encounter a little respect goes a long way.

[chickie]

Sex huh?
It’s possible as a career bartender I have had a….um… few encounters in this arena.
Bottom line to make a woman happy? Listen to her talk. Seriously. A woman (like anyone) wants to feel special. Even if it’s a one night stand. (Not that I ever had one, cough, cough)
A Woman getting of is all about foreplay. And you would be surprised to know foreplay isn’t always physical.
A big part of this non physical foreplay is her being comfortable with herself in the situation. If you make her feel attractive, smart and fun. She will be able to get over her own mental walls and that is half way to the climax for her. I’m not talking about bullsh*ting her. I’m talking about actually listening to her (even if you don’t want to)

Of course lasting more than 15 minutes is kinda important but more than 50-60 minutes and she will be sore.
Women can sense if your comfortable with yourself, so do what you have to do to get there. Talk to your self in the bathroom or get drunk, whatever. If you’re confident she is gonna open up.

When it’s over, don’t be clingy but don’t be afraid to show some affection. This will give you a good chance of a future encounter, or at the very least be respectful. Karma is a bitch. Even in a wonderfully dirty, nasty encounter a little respect goes a long way.


Yes you are a bartender all right! Do you feed these lines of BS to your customers?

If I am out in the prawl for a one night stand, don't feed the lines of BS. Just keep the sexual chemistry in the air and all is good. Trust me if you were that good she will call you again for the same deal.

If it was someone that you think you might want a future relationship with, then keep your dick in your pants until you get to know each other on a different level. If you want to talk about respect that is?

[Rockstar]

Yes you are a bartender all right! Do you feed these lines of BS to your customers?



Ouch!
Haha

I knew 100% you were going to respond to this post.
I tried to pick my words carefully due to there being a woman here. First of all I never said anything about BS anyone. I said listen to her. Haha, If that is BS I don't know what to say.

Listen I certainly don't use lines. Nobody should, they don't work. (as you inferred) If you look at my post there isn't anything in there that says use lines. My "line" is hello my name is Chris. That’s my "line"

My post was written for guys. Sometimes we just need a little coaching in the arena of women. And as you know we communicate differently about this kind of stuff. Not to mention my post was meant to be entertaining also. Nothing in there about finding the love of your life.
I certainly hope there is nothing I posted that was offensive to you.

[chickie]

Ouch!
Haha

I knew 100% you were going to respond to this post.
I tried to pick my words carefully due to there being a woman here.
Listen I certainly don't use lines. I don't have to. Nobody should, they don't work. (as you inferred) If you look at my post there isn't anything in there that says use lines. My "line" is hello my name is Chris. That’s my "line"

My post was written for guys. Sometimes we just need a little coaching in the arena of women. And as you know we communicate differently about this kind of stuff. Not to mention my post was meant to be entertaining also. Nothing in there about finding the love of your life.
I certainly hope there is nothing I posted that was offensive to you.



LMAO!!!!! Please you will NOT offend me... I am a big girl and I CAN HOLD my own! :) But thank you.

[Rockstar]

Ha
You definitely don't sound shy or lacking confidence.
That's hot to either sex!
Rock on girl. I do love and miss my Buffalo girls.

[chickie]

confidence.


Confidence and honesty. Those are the 2 most important things in any relationship.

See most of you men think that if you tell us women what we want to hear, to protect our feelings, all is well. Bullshit. Just lay it out straight. That is what we want, and I am sure if there were more girls out here posting they would agree with me.

You men "think" you know us women, and what we want....you don't. Just like we don't really know how you think and feel.

Just be honest to yourself about what it is you want out of that person, so you can be honest with them in return.

If you are in a relationship be HONEST with her/him. If there is something lacking in your relationship (it happens to ALL relationships) talk about it. Be honest with the person you are with. Try new things - chances are BOTH of you are open to it. But you have to talk to each other, not someone ele. Hiding your wants and needs in a relationship is a recipe for disaster.

And if you have the confidence you won't be afraid to go after what you want whether single or attached. :)

[Ru]

See most of you men think that if you tell us women what we want to hear, to protect our feelings, all is well. Bullshit. Just lay it out straight. That is what we want,

I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit. There is no way that women want the truth in most instances. They may think they do until they actually hear it, and then the guy hears about it for the remainder of the relationship.

[Scary Good]

Ha. Getting the girl off first is key, then when they are done once or twice, and you've timed it well...you get a couple minutes to hammer away and don't have to worry about them!

[chickie]

I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit. There is no way that women want the truth in most instances. They may think they do until they actually hear it, and then the guy hears about it for the remainder of the relationship.

Of course, and that is because the truth hurts. No one said the truth is going to be easy to swallow here. If she is going to agonize over it is because she doesn't know how to move forward with the truth.

No one wants to be lied to, so why lie? There is not a gawd damn thing to gain.

[pmoon6]

I'm calling bullshit on your bullshit. There is no way that women want the truth in most instances. They may think they do until they actually hear it, and then the guy hears about it for the remainder of the relationship.Tell it like it is, brother.

[pmoon6]

Confidence and honesty. Those are the 2 most important things in any relationship.

See most of you men think that if you tell us women what we want to hear, to protect our feelings, all is well. Bullshit. Just lay it out straight. That is what we want, and I am sure if there were more girls out here posting they would agree with me.

You men "think" you know us women, and what we want....you don't. Just like we don't really know how you think and feel.

Just be honest to yourself about what it is you want out of that person, so you can be honest with them in return.

If you are in a relationship be HONEST with her/him. If there is something lacking in your relationship (it happens to ALL relationships) talk about it. Be honest with the person you are with. Try new things - chances are BOTH of you are open to it. But you have to talk to each other, not someone ele. Hiding your wants and needs in a relationship is a recipe for disaster.

And if you have the confidence you won't be afraid to go after what you want whether single or attached. :)You make some good points here, but the No. 1 most important thing in a relationship is trust.

All women are different as are men. You can't make blanket statements concerning all of your gender.

As far as "laying it out there", what is a man supposed to say when you come out in a dress and ask "Honey, does this make me look fat"? You really want an honest answer to that question? Even if you do the guy is going to tell you "No, Dear" to protect your feelings and to not have porcelain projectiles flying at his head.

[chickie]

You make some good points here, but the No. 1 most important thing in a relationship is trust.

All women are different as are men. You can't make blanket statements concerning all of your gender.

As far as "laying it out there", what is a man supposed to say when you come out in a dress and ask "Honey, does this make me look fat"? You really want an honest answer to that question? Even if you do the guy is going to tell you "No, Dear" to protect your feelings and to not have porcelain projectiles flying at his head.


LOL and the flying object ending.....


But that is just it - if she looks bad in it tell her. Shit you are about to be seen with her out in public. If she gets angry at you is because she has her own problems.


If she is with her BEST GIRLFRIEND you think the girlfriend is going to lie to her...hell no...she is going to say I really think you should try on that one, but if that is the one YOU are HAPPY with than you wear it.

You men just don't know how to answer back because the truth of the matter is you want to get laid later on.

I would **** his brains even more if he made me feel sexy about what I was wearing. Maybe when she comes out and says does this dress look good .... say I would think you would be even sexier if you wore ________ (fill in the balnk with what ever dress turns you on)

YOu want to make your wife feel sexy - so tell her honestly.

[pmoon6]

LOL and the flying object ending.....


But that is just it - if she looks bad in it tell her. Shit you are about to be seen with her out in public. If she gets angry at you is because she has her own problems.


If she is with her BEST GIRLFRIEND you think the girlfriend is going to lie to her...hell no...she is going to say I really think you should try on that one, but if that is the one YOU are HAPPY with than you wear it.

You men just don't know how to answer back because the truth of the matter is you want to get laid later on.

I would **** his brains even more if he made me feel sexy about what I was wearing. Maybe when she comes out and says does this dress look good .... say I would think you would be even sexier if you wore ________ (fill in the balnk with what ever dress turns you on)

YOu want to make your wife feel sexy - so tell her honestly.You're generalizing again.

"You men"

Bwahahahaha.

I am perfectly capable of making my wife feel sexy, even in our advanced years.

But, thank you for the input.

[chickie]

You're generalizing again.

"You men"

Bwahahahaha.

I am perfectly capable of making my wife feel sexy, even in our advanced years.

But, thank you for the input.

I am not generalizing - that is one of the #1 complaint or comments that comes out of a man's mouth.

And no one said that you wern't capable of making your wife feel sexy. And if you were being half honest out here you wouldn't make that statement.

Everyone know there are ups and downs in relationships. Everyone knows they take work. So maybe instead of trying to find fault in my posts and discredit my posts, why don't you share some of your tips....I mean you must have some serious game going on for you to still feel the way you do about your wife.

[35Pete]

You're generalizing again.

"You men"

Bwahahahaha.

I am perfectly capable of making my wife feel sexy, even in our advanced years.

But, thank you for the input.

Without being cute good for you bro! Keep it up, keep the flame going, and the two of you will live long lives. Seriously. And no, not just the physical.

But nevertheless, your post, plus viagra give me hope for the next 30 years. ;)

[pmoon6]

I am not generalizing - that is one of the #1 complaint or comments that comes out of a man's mouth.

And no one said that you wern't capable of making your wife feel sexy. And if you were being half honest out here you wouldn't make that statement.

Everyone know there are ups and downs in relationships. Everyone knows they take work. So maybe instead of trying to find fault in my posts and discredit my posts, why don't you share some of your tips....I mean you must have some serious game going on for you to still feel the way you do about your wife.Sorry, I just don't appreciate when you generalize about men or women. We are all different.

You know what works for you, but your perspective may differ from other women. Just as mine may differ from other men.

As far as my game, I don't really have one. I was lucky enough to find a woman that shared many common interests. Both of us are old school in the sense that when we said "I do" it was for the rest of our lives. The only reason to get divorced is infidelity or abuse. The irreconcilable difference stuff is just a bunch of crap. We have had some bumps in the road, but we made it through with understanding, commitment and communication. Now we are both like a pair of comfortable old shoes. Our tastes are simple and we both try to keep it fresh.

[chickie]

Without being cute good for you bro! Keep it up, keep the flame going, and the two of you will live long lives. Seriously. And no, not just the physical.

But nevertheless, your post, plus viagra give me hope for the next 30 years. ;)

you don't need viagra............


:)

[35Pete]

you don't need viagra............


:)

Give me 20 years and I will :)

[shiva2999]

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[shiva2999]

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[Ru]

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LMAO!! What movie is that? Isn't that Ione Skye?

[shiva2999]

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[NoCtUrNaL]

I need to be pet and kissed. Lots of foreplay, cuddling, and romantic intimacy required before I make love to that special woman.

I only go through all that trouble when I'm masturbating.


Oh, and I throw in some post pop pillow talk. Mostly it's me telling me how great I was. If I was <i>really</i> good, I ask myself for my phone number. ;)

[shiva2999]

LMAO!! What movie is that? Isn't that Ione Skye?

It's Valmont.

I know that's Colin Firth but I'm not sure who the chick is.

[Ru]

It's Valmont.

I know that's Colin Firth but I'm not sure who the chick is.

Fairuza Balk not Ione Skye. I was close. Both have ****ed up names and they look pretty damn similar.

[Meathead]

i have never been married, legally anyway, but have had a lot of 2-4 yr relationships

so i would estimate ive probably had eight i would call 'serious' and another six or so just short of that

out of those i would say ten of them asked the does my ass look big in these question

and not one of those wanted an honest answer

in fact it was sort of a study for me. i kept telling them the truth to see how long it would take to find one that really wanted an honest answer. after the seventh, and plenty of pain endured, i just gave up and never answered that question honestly again

frankly i think thats stupid as hell and i hate that i was forced to do that but at some point it just became not worth the experiment anymore

[Meathead]

another is the who is the best sex youve ever had question. never ever ever answer that one truthfully

[chickie]

i have never been married, legally anyway, but have had a lot of 2-4 yr relationships

so i would estimate ive probably had eight i would call 'serious' and another six or so just short of that

out of those i would say ten of them asked the does my ass look big in these question

and not one of those wanted an honest answer

in fact it was sort of a study for me. i kept telling them the truth to see how long it would take to find one that really wanted an honest answer. after the seventh, and plenty of pain endured, i just gave up and never answered that question honestly again

frankly i think thats stupid as hell and i hate that i was forced to do that but at some point it just became not worth the experiment anymore


But we always ask that question.

Just curious how would you answer them truthfully...would you just say yes or no??

More deets please?

[NoCtUrNaL]

out of those i would say ten of them asked the does my ass look big in these question

and not one of those wanted an honest answer

in fact it was sort of a study for me. i kept telling them the truth to see how long it would take to find one that really wanted an honest answer. after the seventh, and plenty of pain endured, i just gave up and never answered that question honestly again

Stop getting involved with fat ass chicks and you can be honest.

"No, your ass doesn't look big in that honey, but it does make you tits look smaller.....DOH!"

[uppy]

I don't know Chickie answering a question like; "do I look fat in this"

in the affirmative has never worked out well for me in the long run

and in some cases has been a disaster in the short run.If woman

wanted to be told the truth about these things men would have been

doing it since the dawn of time.The fact is they don't for good reason.

[35Pete]

Jesus Nocturnal. You've got my stomach in knots.

:rofl:

[35Pete]

Sorry, I just don't appreciate when you generalize about men or women. We are all different.

You know what works for you, but your perspective may differ from other women. Just as mine may differ from other men.

As far as my game, I don't really have one. I was lucky enough to find a woman that shared many common interests. Both of us are old school in the sense that when we said "I do" it was for the rest of our lives. The only reason to get divorced is infidelity or abuse. The irreconcilable difference stuff is just a bunch of crap. We have had some bumps in the road, but we made it through with understanding, commitment and communication. Now we are both like a pair of comfortable old shoes. Our tastes are simple and we both try to keep it fresh.

+100 for moonie for his integrity and respect rating.

For all the chops busting I do on this subject (just playing off of stereotypes, that's all) I am proud to say that I have never cheated on anyone, ever.

I did cheat once though when I was single. After my surgery on my left arm I was in a cast. So I used the right hand.

I'm not sure that I can live that down. :D

[chickie]

I don't know Chickie answering a question like; "do I look fat in this"

in the affirmative has never worked out well for me in the long run

and in some cases has been a disaster in the short run.If woman

wanted to be told the truth about these things men would have been

doing it since the dawn of time.The fact is they don't for good reason.


Well then I guess Moonie was right and I should not speak for the rest of my gender.

I guess I am a rare breed.....I want the truth and I wouldn't be mad at the man who gave it to me.....I would be thankful. I would listen to his suggestion, and go with it.

Man I feel sorry for you guys now....

[35Pete]

I don't know Chickie answering a question like; "do I look fat in this"

in the affirmative has never worked out well for me in the long run

and in some cases has been a disaster in the short run.If woman

wanted to be told the truth about these things men would have been

doing it since the dawn of time.The fact is they don't for good reason.

Good point. If you always tell them they look great, then when do they know you are telling the truth?

I once had a girlfriend tell me to knock off the pasta and bud lite cause I was starting to pack it on. I actually respected her MORE for her honesty. She wasn't trying to be mean. So when I did get the extra pounds off and she told me I looked great I BELIEVED HER. Then I nailed her so hard for it the poor girl nearly had a heart attack. LOL

[chickie]

Ok - I have conversed with a few of my girlfriends.

Here is the bottomline - woman would be more open to your truthfulness if men more spontaneously said how nice we look. Men never out of the blue say, wow baby you look so cute tonight, or you look nice, or what have you.

So why is it that you men can't do that more often?

Maybe then when women ask "Do I look fat in this" they wouldn't get so angry at you when you say yes. How are we suppose to know what you like on us when you never comment?

[bev]

I disagree with you men that you cannot
tell the girlfriend/spouse the truth - truly, I mean this. First of all I can tell sometimes
if the man does not like what I am wearing
anyway by either not getting a compliment or just a facial expression - I would not care if he told me the truth that he did not like what I was wearing. I would tell the guy if I thought he looked bad - why do you think us girls are so sensitive? I realize some women may be but
NOT all - the ones in the relationship should be comfortable to be honest about this - it is the old "spinich in the teeth" honesty - wouldn't you say something?

[35Pete]

Bev, chickie.

Honestly, this is so inconsistent with my own personal experiences. ONCE, I told my then fiancee that maybe she'd want to join a gym (she started to show some saddlebags a wee bit...know what I mean?) because she was complaining about how fat she was (which was actually a joke, she wasn't fat).

I didn't sleep on the couch that night but she did sleep very far from me and was cold all evening and all night.

That's the LAST time I ever said something like that.

Personally, I could give a crap if a woman is 5th avenue skinny or not.

Just don't weigh 200 lbs, right?

When I really packed it on I felt like crap all the time. I realized it was me. My self-esteem that suffered. No one was going to say "you look alright" and I would have believed them. So, I kinda get your point a little.

[bev]

OK Pete I understand - bad experience for you,
but at least you admit you get our point a bit & I got off course a bit into clothes vs. the fat thing. I have always been told by my SO's
pretty much the truth & took it very well.
Your fiance & many others sometimes are looking for a compliment or I should say they may be insecure. Clearly, in your case she was not fat so it really was not a valid question & when you repsonded that way that was not what she expectd but touche for you - she asked for it. Why ask ,if you do not want to hear the truth - right?

[35Pete]

OK Pete I understand - bad experience for you,
but at least you admit you get our point a bit & I got off course a bit into clothes vs. the fat thing. I have always been told by my SO's
pretty much the truth & took it very well.
Your fiance & many others sometimes are looking for a compliment or I should say they may be insecure. Clearly, in your case she was not fat so it really was not a valid question & when you repsonded that way that was not what she expectd but touche for you - she asked for it. Why ask ,if you do not want to hear the truth - right?
Hence the "ex".

:)

[chickie]

Bev, chickie.

Honestly, this is so inconsistent with my own personal experiences. ONCE, I told my then fiancee that maybe she'd want to join a gym (she started to show some saddlebags a wee bit...know what I mean?) because she was complaining about how fat she was (which was actually a joke, she wasn't fat).

I didn't sleep on the couch that night but she did sleep very far from me and was cold all evening and all night.

That's the LAST time I ever said something like that.

Personally, I could give a crap if a woman is 5th avenue skinny or not.

Just don't weigh 200 lbs, right?

When I really packed it on I felt like crap all the time. I realized it was me. My self-esteem that suffered. No one was going to say "you look alright" and I would have believed them. So, I kinda get your point a little.


See now I would like to have someone around to tell me that i needed to work out or encourage me to go to the gym. i wouldn't get offend - I would take that as a challenge.

I guess we are all just so different.

[coryjd]

So why is it that you men can't do that more often?

For the same reason women don't voluntarily hand out BJ's! ;)

[Meathead]

Just curious how would you answer them truthfully...would you just say yes or no??

when i was younger and got asked the fat pants question i tried just answering well yeah they do

that didnt work. whoa did that not work

ok so later on i would try something like well actually i like your red pants a lot better. then shed say so youre saying these do make me look fat. and id say well yes

that didnt work. whoa did that not work

so later on i would say well i like your red pants better. shed say youre saying these make me look fat. id say no im just saying your red pants look better. shed say so if my red pants are better and dont make me look fat what do these make me look like. and id say well they just arent as flattering as your red pants

that didnt work. whoa did that not work

i despise the fact that i was forced into lying. if i ask somebody if my pants make me look fat i want an honest answer. in fact i would want my gf to lovingly inform me herself if something im wearing isnt flattering. i would strongly prefer that in a woman. i gotta believe theres some out there. but sadly i never found one

now if i get asked that question the answer is always the same - honey you look beautiful in anything. its not a total lie. im just not ever saying anything you own looks less than perfect. aint worth the hassle

frankly id be insulted if someone treated me this way. but when you aint got no choice you do what you have to

Here is the bottomline - woman would be more open to your truthfulness if men more spontaneously said how nice we look. Men never out of the blue say, wow baby you look so cute tonight, or you look nice, or what have you.

ive always done that and again ive found it can be quite counterproductive

the average womans vanity is a bottomless pit. if you tell her spontaneously she looks pretty you risk a very difficult balancing act. if you say it just a little too often she starts to expect it more and more. furthermore, if you give her that then she starts to get demanding about more things. its like she gets an attitude well if im so gorgeous then you better toe the line or i can go out and get another guy to treat me like a goddess any time i want so snap to it boy

granted ive had terrible luck with women and im sure there are ones out there that arent like that but im afraid that i believe this is more the norm than not. i could go on for hours about how our culture is currently programming women to be intransigent bitches from hell but lets just leave it where it is

[pmoon6]

Meat, through my experience with people I know, I put the psycho bitches from hell vs. decent women at 50/50. Unfortunatly, as you get older, the decent women become harder and harder to find because they are taken. You are left with products of unhappy marriages who may have been scarred in that relationship and take it out on the next shmoe.

Unlike the women on this board, there is no give and take for the PBFH, it's their way or the highway. Most times it is financial in nature. They actually believe once that ring is on their finger, what's mine is mine and what's your's is mine. If the guy puts his foot down on the finances, they make his life a living hell and then show him the door. Then they move on to the next sucker. I've seen this over and over again.

[35Pete]

Meat, through my experience with people I know, I put the psycho bitches from hell vs. decent women at 50/50. Unfortunatly, as you get older, the decent women become harder and harder to find because they are taken. You are left with products of unhappy marriages who may have been scarred in that relationship and take it out on the next shmoe.

Unlike the women on this board, there is no give and take for the PBFH, it's their way or the highway. Most times it is financial in nature. They actually believe once that ring is on their finger, what's mine is mine and what's your's is mine. If the guy puts his foot down on the finances, they make his life a living hell and then show him the door. Then they move on to the next sucker. I've seen this over and over again.
This is SO true.

There all nuts after 35 or so. The good ones are taken and no one plans to give them up.
The rest are either whacked or golddiggers.

[sukie]

my wife was 35 when I met her.. Divorced, bad relationships after that... taken advantage of (con man) and with a 7 year old kid. Hmmmm.

[uppy]

I've heard some people say woman are washed up after 32 :D

[sukie]

Labels placed on anything in an unconscious act that limits good decisions from happening. It is unfortunate but people that make the unconscious label and act based on that old story flying through their head will ultimately err. It's unfortunate really.

[pmoon6]

Labels placed on anything in an unconscious act that limits good decisions from happening. It is unfortunate but people that make the unconscious label and act based on that old story flying through their head will ultimately err. It's unfortunate really.You're becoming more cryptic by the day.

[sukie]

nonlabelling unconsciously is NOT cryptic to me.

[35Pete]

my wife was 35 when I met her.. Divorced, bad relationships after that... taken advantage of (con man) and with a 7 year old kid. Hmmmm.

Your wife is an absolute sweet lady with a brain and emotional stability.

At our age she'd be the exception to the rule if she were single.

[sukie]

Neither of us had emotional stability... We are both much closer now when we are able to consciously recognize what emotion truly is and where it is rooted.

[35Pete]

I've heard some people say woman are washed up after 32 :D

The best lovers are 30-45+

Seriously. They stop getting all self-absorbed with any body imperfections, and will tell you exactly what they want.

Plus it's nice that at that age they start to wipe YOU out. LOL

[SpikedLemonade]

I’m talking about actually listening to her (even if you don’t want to).

Now I know why I'm divorced.

[chickie]

when i was younger and got asked the fat pants question i tried just answering well yeah they do

that didnt work. whoa did that not work

ok so later on i would try something like well actually i like your red pants a lot better. then shed say so youre saying these do make me look fat. and id say well yes

that didnt work. whoa did that not work

so later on i would say well i like your red pants better. shed say youre saying these make me look fat. id say no im just saying your red pants look better. shed say so if my red pants are better and dont make me look fat what do these make me look like. and id say well they just arent as flattering as your red pants

that didnt work. whoa did that not work

i despise the fact that i was forced into lying. if i ask somebody if my pants make me look fat i want an honest answer. in fact i would want my gf to lovingly inform me herself if something im wearing isnt flattering. i would strongly prefer that in a woman. i gotta believe theres some out there. but sadly i never found one

now if i get asked that question the answer is always the same - honey you look beautiful in anything. its not a total lie. im just not ever saying anything you own looks less than perfect. aint worth the hassle

frankly id be insulted if someone treated me this way. but when you aint got no choice you do what you have to



ive always done that and again ive found it can be quite counterproductive

the average womans vanity is a bottomless pit. if you tell her spontaneously she looks pretty you risk a very difficult balancing act. if you say it just a little too often she starts to expect it more and more. furthermore, if you give her that then she starts to get demanding about more things. its like she gets an attitude well if im so gorgeous then you better toe the line or i can go out and get another guy to treat me like a goddess any time i want so snap to it boy

granted ive had terrible luck with women and im sure there are ones out there that arent like that but im afraid that i believe this is more the norm than not. i could go on for hours about how our culture is currently programming women to be intransigent bitches from hell but lets just leave it where it is


Yes, well I am very sorry that you men have had to indure this torture in your relationships.

I personally would want the guy I was with to be honest with me. If it doesn't look good - it doesn't look good. Just gives me another excuse to justify my shopping addiction! :)

I also think that it really had nothing to do with the outfit or pants she was trying on. I think she was venting her anger from something else. I am shocked to learn that you guys have been verbally abused by these women. I feel really bad now.

Hopefully you find someone who is more open with honesty.

[chickie]

Meat, through my experience with people I know, I put the psycho bitches from hell vs. decent women at 50/50. Unfortunatly, as you get older, the decent women become harder and harder to find because they are taken. You are left with products of unhappy marriages who may have been scarred in that relationship and take it out on the next shmoe.

Unlike the women on this board, there is no give and take for the PBFH, it's their way or the highway. Most times it is financial in nature. They actually believe once that ring is on their finger, what's mine is mine and what's your's is mine. If the guy puts his foot down on the finances, they make his life a living hell and then show him the door. Then they move on to the next sucker. I've seen this over and over again.

you forgot one part

what's mine is mine
what's yours is mine
and what's OURS is mine..

I mean lets get it straight here....


hehehehehehehe

[chickie]

This is SO true.

There all nuts after 35 or so. The good ones are taken and no one plans to give them up.
The rest are either whacked or golddiggers.

only after 35.....thank GOD i have another year!!

[Meathead]

I also think that it really had nothing to do with the outfit or pants she was trying on. I think she was venting her anger from something else. I

if it was once or twice i might agree with you

the fact that it is so universal clearly suggests its something institutional

i believe its how we currently program our collective idea of the female model. we enable them to be emotional cripples by repeatedly reinforcing that women are these hugely complex animals that men will never understand and theres nothing we can do about it. ha ha isnt that cute shes an intransigent bitch. just agree with her even when shes wrong and apologize for shit that wasnt even close to your fault

yeah thats gonna go well in the long run

well notice twenty/thirty years ago we did the same thing with men. and what happened? we cranked out an entire generation of ass hole males

fortunately we finally figured out that if we continually reinforce aggressive macho ass holes and disincent sensitivity that we will get the jerks we deserve

right now we need to look at the whole my little girl is a princess just like we used to look at lets give little johnnie a machine gun toy - its programming them to be completely unreasonable bitches demanding perfection and servitude

and it goes way beyond that. just watch commercials and tv shows and really look at the female image model with a critical eye. our negative reinforcement is everywhere all the time. we are so used to it we dont even notice, it looks 'normal' because we are conditioned to view it that way. but it isnt 'normal'. our female image models are mostly all out of control bad

the fact is that people unconsciously mimic those image models. gay men arent born with lisps and limp wrists, they do that because thats what they think a guy guy is. amateur hockey players are the worst immature ass holes in sports (i played hockey a long time) and its because they mimic what theyve seen over the years

we gotta stop programming women that they have no control who they are and how they react. thats cheap ass bullshit and it hurts all of us

[chickie]

if it was once or twice i might agree with you

the fact that it is so universal clearly suggests its something institutional

i believe its how we currently program our collective idea of the female model. we enable them to be emotional cripples by repeatedly reinforcing that women are these hugely complex animals that men will never understand and theres nothing we can do about it. ha ha isnt that cute shes an intransigent bitch. just agree with her even when shes wrong and apologize for shit that wasnt even close to your fault

yeah thats gonna go well in the long run

well notice twenty/thirty years ago we did the same thing with men. and what happened? we cranked out an entire generation of ass hole males

fortunately we finally figured out that if we continually reinforce aggressive macho ass holes and disincent sensitivity that we will get the jerks we deserve

right now we need to look at the whole my little girl is a princess just like we used to look at lets give little johnnie a machine gun toy - its programming them to be completely unreasonable bitches demanding perfection and servitude

and it goes way beyond that. just watch commercials and tv shows and really look at the female image model with a critical eye. our negative reinforcement is everywhere all the time. we are so used to it we dont even notice, it looks 'normal' because we are conditioned to view it that way. but it isnt 'normal'. our female image models are mostly all out of control bad

the fact is that people unconsciously mimic those image models. gay men arent born with lisps and limp wrists, they do that because thats what they think a guy guy is. amateur hockey players are the worst immature ass holes in sports (i played hockey a long time) and its because they mimic what theyve seen over the years

we gotta stop programming women that they have no control who they are and how they react. thats cheap ass bullshit and it hurts all of us

Boils down to constructive criticism here.

I guess from the mens posts on this subject it would appear some woman cannot take constructive criticism. That is sad - really sad.

They are not happy with themselves so they take their unhappiness out on their guy?

I get your point with how the models look and so forth, but it seems to me any normal person would know looks can be deceiving. Just because they wear a size 0, and they look great in everything does not mean they are happy.

[bev]

I'm happy these days if I can get it done in under 15 minutes.....Bev,I'll be on
the clock soon

life is good

just saw this now - you have it all backwards uppy. think....

[Rockstar]

Now I know why I'm divorced.


Haha
I hear ya bro. This thread has been very entertaining and thought provoking. I have enjoyed everyone’s posting, and read them all.
Thing is when I responded initially to this thread I wasn’t even remotely considering my comments in regards to a real relationship. (Yes I have had a few real ones) I was talking as a bartender conversing to a guy who has had a few beers while I’m working the wood. (that means bartending, please no working the “wood” jokes)

Anyway, the point is; the things I wrote earlier have been very strongly “researched” in dealing with women you meet. I was never talking about life partners. I was talking about sex with, well, new friends. I slightly backed down because I didn’t want to offend chickie. (I still don’t) But, I feel very strongly about the things I wrote for I have seen the results. Nothing is foolproof, and the most important thing to remember is the women always controls the situation. Meaning that she is either “in” or not. Your job as a dude is to not Fk it up when she is in it to win it, if you know what I mean.

Disclaimer:
The above and previously written comments written by myself are written for the single crowd. They are also geared toward a much younger demographic. Not that my points don’t often apply to people our age or older (don’t forget I’m 34) but dealing with the girls I am around doing what I do for a living it is pretty dam accurate.

Also, I am drinking and I already know I’m going to get beat up over this post for a bevy of reasons. Oh well…

[Rockstar]

if it was once or twice i might agree with you

the fact that it is so universal clearly suggests its something institutional

i believe its how we currently program our collective idea of the female model. we enable them to be emotional cripples by repeatedly reinforcing that women are these hugely complex animals that men will never understand and theres nothing we can do about it. ha ha isnt that cute shes an intransigent bitch. just agree with her even when shes wrong and apologize for shit that wasnt even close to your fault

yeah thats gonna go well in the long run

well notice twenty/thirty years ago we did the same thing with men. and what happened? we cranked out an entire generation of ass hole males

fortunately we finally figured out that if we continually reinforce aggressive macho ass holes and disincent sensitivity that we will get the jerks we deserve

right now we need to look at the whole my little girl is a princess just like we used to look at lets give little johnnie a machine gun toy - its programming them to be completely unreasonable bitches demanding perfection and servitude

and it goes way beyond that. just watch commercials and tv shows and really look at the female image model with a critical eye. our negative reinforcement is everywhere all the time. we are so used to it we dont even notice, it looks 'normal' because we are conditioned to view it that way. but it isnt 'normal'. our female image models are mostly all out of control bad

the fact is that people unconsciously mimic those image models. gay men arent born with lisps and limp wrists, they do that because thats what they think a guy guy is. amateur hockey players are the worst immature ass holes in sports (i played hockey a long time) and its because they mimic what theyve seen over the years

we gotta stop programming women that they have no control who they are and how they react. thats cheap ass bullshit and it hurts all of us



Wow, great post. I agree with everything you posted.
Very uncomfortably in a way. I am one of those guys that support the "macho" male image. To a fault I guess. Your points are solid even if I don’t like looking in the mirror on some of them.

And GOD! Do I hate any girl that calls herself a princess!
Live Raleigh NC, or Atlanta GA, and you will be surrounded by girls that go from Daddies house to husbands house.
I honestly don't know how they cross the street without someone holding their hand.. Southern f-in princesses that honestly believe they are God’s gift to the male race. AND THAT”S THE CHUBBY ONES! The hot ones!?! Holy sh*t.. Just shoot yourself..

[Meathead]

im sorry, i didnt mean models as in fashion models i meant it as in female role model, what we define a 'woman' should be

right now that image is primarily a bitch. i think it stems from past womens oppression by men and a current overcompensation. the sassy woman originally represented a coming out from under mens thumbs but weve taken it way past where it was useful