Pests in the league (Kaleta)

[bduff54]

i think we can add kaleta to the pest list now, this is a good thing for Buffalo. they have lacked a little bit of scumbag over the last few years. here is who i put kaleta in with now.

Carcillo, Hollweg, tootoo, Avery.

anybody else you can think of? who would like kaleta to turn out like, i think if he was like avery it would be great, avery can score and play the nasty dirtbag role.

[dilbert]

I'll take Avery w/o the mouth and occassional (very) bad penalty.

[bduff54]

yeah, although the mouth is what makes avery affective some nights

[unklechucky]

Tucker

[dilbert]

yeah, although the mouth is what makes avery affective some nights


I don't mind the mouth during the game. It is the dumb stuff like he pulled last year before the Sabres/Rangers series. I prefer my pests to be pests during the game, not before the game when it only works to get the other team fired up.

[Acoustic-Fury]

I think your pest assessment as you are viewing it sucks.

Kaleta makes people aware of his presence on the ice...but he is not a Sean Avery or Matthew Barnaby type that you are inferring.

Ruff gushed about this yesterday on WGR that he loves that Kaleta goes out and plays the game "old school" and does not have to stoop to being an *******. He also made mention that what he has come to find that frustrates opposing players the most is that Kaleta is just playing the game...there is no ill intentions behind his style of play.

...and to say, which you've said in other posts, that Kaleta can not be a "Sean Avery" type in scoring? How the hell would you know? Look at Avery's career stats - he had 36 games with 4 points his first year (with 68 penalty minutes) and 39 games 11 points his second (with 120 penalty minutes) with Detroit.

Kaleta in his rookie season has played 32 games, he has 5 pts and 37 penalty minutes.

Oh look! Higher than Avery! (Except the penalty minutes -which by the way goes against your pest assessment)

Kaleta is on pace for having 41 games played, 7 points and 47 penalty minutes.

Kaleta does not take penalties - which I think with the line you are trying to draw does not a true "pest" make.

Keep reaching Gold Pea...er Bduff...

[Sabres244]

Chris Neil

[bduff54]

I think your pest assessment as you are viewing it sucks.

Kaleta makes people aware of his presence on the ice...but he is not a Sean Avery or Matthew Barnaby type that you are inferring.

Ruff gushed about this yesterday on WGR that he loves that Kaleta goes out and plays the game "old school" and does not have to stoop to being an *******. He also made mention that what he has come to find that frustrates opposing players the most is that Kaleta is just playing the game...there is no ill intentions behind his style of play.

...and to say, which you've said in other posts, that Kaleta can not be a "Sean Avery" type in scoring? How the hell would you know? Look at Avery's career stats - he had 36 games with 4 points his first year (with 68 penalty minutes) and 39 games 11 points his second (with 120 penalty minutes) with Detroit.

Kaleta in his rookie season has played 32 games, he has 5 pts and 37 penalty minutes.

Oh look! Higher than Avery! (Except the penalty minutes -which by the way goes against your pest assessment)

Kaleta is on pace for having 41 games played, 7 points and 47 penalty minutes.

Kaleta does not take penalties - which I think with the line you are trying to draw does not a true "pest" make.

Keep reaching Gold Pea...er Bduff...


why the hell are you so mad at me, ok fine he can be as good as avery.

Kaleta has done some close to dirty things, his hit on markov for one.

what am i reaching for? i like the kid a lot, i love his style.

Also, the spray in the face to toskala was intentional and a typical "pest" like thing to do, he knew waht he was doing and it was perfect.

Stop acting like this kid is just some angel.

[bduff54]

Tucker

not really a pest anymore, kind of gave up on that role. i miss it

[Acoustic-Fury]

Kaleta is a grit player - not a pest.

Huge difference.

[ddpderek]

I love Kaleta breaking out this year and Carcillo as well hes a great player to watch as he has some skill and almost over 300 penalty minutes and he hasnt played every game. Also have you seen him fight he can throw some major bombs.

I love the tough old school hockey. The kind where if your going to play with the puck and get all pretty with it your going to get your ass knocked over.

Im all for dirty good ole hockey!

[ddpderek]

Kaleta is a grit player - not a pest.

Huge difference.

Your blind if you dont think hes a pest. You can take on more then one role.

Also why is a pest a bad thing??

[bduff54]

Kaleta is a grit player - not a pest.

Huge difference.

call it what you will, he is a small guy who flies around the ice trying to hit people. To me that is a pest, playign with the puck is secondary to him.

And franky he better increase his pestly duties or he won't last long.

[ddpderek]

call it what you will, he is a small guy who flies around the ice trying to hit people. To me that is a pest, playign with the puck is secondary to him.

And franky he better increase his pestly duties or he won't last long.


i dont really thinks he needs to increase it but he just needs to keep being smart about it.

[bduff54]

i dont really thinks he needs to increase it but he just needs to keep being smart about it.

yeah, sorry i mean he has to keep it up, he needs to do some borderline things every now and then

[Acoustic-Fury]

Your blind if you dont think hes a pest. You can take on more then one role.

Also why is a pest a bad thing??


If Matthew Barnaby was a favorite player of yours then you will not understand where I'm coming from.

[Acoustic-Fury]

call it what you will, he is a small guy who flies around the ice trying to hit people. To me that is a pest, playign with the puck is secondary to him.

And franky he better increase his pestly duties or he won't last long.

...yea...I really want Kaleta's two points back that he got in his last two games...I'D RATHER HAVE A PEST!


Kaleta is a good two way player that just so happens to be on a nice point tear right now.

So f' you very much if a troll means to tell me otherwise.

Bduff you sound like sour grapes from tsn.ca ville.

Next you'll try and convince me that he shouldn't even be skating out there with a stick...

[ddpderek]

If Matthew Barnaby was a favorite player of yours then you will not understand where I'm coming from.

I think Kaleta is a decent two way player but dont act like hes amazing in the offensive zone quite yet.

I hope Kaleta can turn into Barnaby who was a pretty damn good hitter, fighter, and Offensive zone player. I dont care about the talking stuff it really does not change my view on a player.

[mosuavea]

Kaleta is a good two way player that just so happens to be on a nice point tear right now.



I like Kaleta as much as the next guy but some people need to ease up a bit.

He is an average player who knows his role and plays it to a tee. Don't make him out to be some sort of gifted offensive player with a good defensive mind he is not that player. He goes out there, grinds and gets under players skin. Why is it so bad to refer to him as a pest? That's exactly what he is.

I see why Schopp and the Bulldog hate when people bring up Kaleta, its almost as if he has transformed into some mythical figure.

[Acoustic-Fury]

I think Kaleta is a decent two way player but dont act like hes amazing in the offensive zone quite yet.

I hope Kaleta can turn into Barnaby who was a pretty damn good hitter, fighter, and Offensive zone player. I dont care about the talking stuff it really does not change my view on a player.

That's what separates a pest for me - all of the talking bullshit that Barnaby caked onto himself night in and night out.

Barnaby as a damn good offensive zone player is an extremely long reach...and if in fighting you mean that he got hit in the face a lot with opposing players's fists than yes...he was a good fighter.

I hope Kaleta stays as far away from the player Matthew Barnaby was.

Kaleta brings a pureness to the game that Barnaby pissed on.

I really admire Kaleta's game, he is a role player that is fitting in nicely...believe me, I do not have delusions of grandeur on his scoring ability.

So when I see Kaleta being lumped in with players I loathe...I tend to start getting a little rage.

[bduff54]

...yea...I really want Kaleta's two points back that he got in his last two games...I'D RATHER HAVE A PEST!


Kaleta is a good two way player that just so happens to be on a nice point tear right now.

So f' you very much if a troll means to tell me otherwise.

Bduff you sound like sour grapes from tsn.ca ville.

Next you'll try and convince me that he shouldn't even be skating out there with a stick...


i am amazed at how mad you are, i am trying to compliment the player.

He on a point tear? please explain that to me.

Acoustic, you think he can make it in this league on his ability with the stick? sorry but its not going to happen, his game is crashing and banging, and when you play that style you are going to have a few questionable hits every now and then.

[Acoustic-Fury]

i am amazed at how mad you are, i am trying to compliment the player.

He on a point tear? please explain that to me.

Stay away from complimenting - you suck at it.

tsn.ca has him listed as "hot". So...since tsn.ca is the place to get your hockey knowledge...wouldn't that make Kaleta an offensive juggernaut right now?

2 point in 2 games doesn't make a nice point tear?

[bduff54]

Stay away from complimenting - you suck at it.

tsn.ca has him listed as "hot". So...since tsn.ca is the place to get your hockey knowledge...wouldn't that make Kaleta an offensive juggernaut right now?

2 point in 2 games doesn't make a nice point tear?

lol, 2 points that a nice point tear? haha.

i think you are missing the point, for kaleta to be affective scoring points is the least of his worries,

since you are an expert, tell me what he did in the leaf game that i think was fantastic and is him playing his role.

still have no idea why you are mad

[Acoustic-Fury]

I'm sorry...are you finished complimenting Kaleta already?

No expert here...just calling out garbage when I see it.


The big play for me was Kaleta leveled Carlo Colaiacovo in the corner to take the puck. Kaleta stickhandled the puck, drawing the attention of a few Toronto players...and passed it over to Stafford for the game winner.

[beTough54]

:troll:

[PG 13]

I see why Schopp and the Bulldog hate when people bring up Kaleta, its almost as if he has transformed into some mythical figure.

He is a mythical figure on this board. Our future, a great two way player and the reason for our teams success.

But remember, the majority of people here think Campbell wasn't very good either.

[Acoustic-Fury]

I see why Schopp and the Bulldog...

I think that may be part of the problem.



Mythical? Are you guys nuts? I said "good" which is better than bad and less than great...not "ferocious" or "awe inspiring".

Does anyone else not see through Bduff's posts?



No wonder the SCI has just been horrific to read lately...

[ddpderek]

Bduff can be a punk and usually supports pussy hockey.

Hes the first one calling for suspensions and calling stuff cheap.

Honestly tho its all part of the game and if a player goes to far they will get a suspension which is also part of the game.

[mosuavea]

I think that may be part of the problem.


They may be annoying but they are dead on about this one.

I
Mythical? Are you guys nuts? I said "good" which is better than bad and less than great...not "ferocious" or "awe inspiring".


Hes not good, good is Roy and Pomminville, great is Malkin and Crosby and Ovechkin he is average on his best day offensively and defensively and good/great at being a pest.


No wonder the SCI has just been horrific to read lately...

Well considering half the threads on the first page have something to do with Kaleta and the pool of **** you have to wade through or a college junior that everyone wants to speculate on has a lot to do with it.

Factor in suckie and NWF posting in SCI more often and you have a recipe for disaster.

[anEinherjer]

Kaleta's an awesome grinder with a non-stop engine who doesn't throw much in the way of dirty shit like some of "pests" bduff mentioned (Hollweg comes to mind).

If Kaleta plays exactly the same game he's bringing now for the next 10 years he'll be an asset for the entire time. I hope it happens.

[bduff54]

yes acoustic, and he also put snow in the face of toskala that led to newbury taking a penalty, that is a pest like move. And that's exactly what he intended.

[Acoustic-Fury]

They may be annoying but they are dead on about this one.



Hes not good, good is Roy and Pomminville, great is Malkin and Crosby and Ovechkin he is average on his best day offensively and defensively and good/great at being a pest.



Well considering half the threads on the first page have something to do with Kaleta and the pool of **** you have to wade through or a college junior that everyone wants to speculate on has a lot to do with it.

Factor in suckie and NWF posting in SCI more often and you have a recipe for disaster.



Kaleta = Average as you put it I agree with.

However, I think Kaleta brings a much cleaner game that sets him apart from the players that have been mentioned in this thread - and I highly respect that about Kaleta's character.

[PG 13]

I think that may be part of the problem.



Mythical? Are you guys nuts? I said "good" which is better than bad and less than great...not "ferocious" or "awe inspiring".

Does anyone else not see through Bduff's posts?



No wonder the SCI has just been horrific to read lately...

Why does everyone here act like bduff is the big, bad guy who causes trouble? I think the vast majority of his opinions are spot on and he's clearly one of the best posters on here. He brings more to this board than anyone with his articles and opinions.

But because he's a TOR fan and he's critical of the Sabres at times, he's some kind of moron. Makes perfect sense.

[bduff54]

Why does everyone here act like bduff is the big, bad guy who causes trouble? I think the vast majority of his opinions are spot on and he's clearly one of the best posters on here. He brings more to this board than anyone with his articles and opinions.

But because he's a TOR fan and he's critical of the Sabres at times, he's some kind of moron. Makes perfect sense.

lol, its fine. some people hate for me some reason.

i just post what i think, and not once this year have i stated the leafs are any good. Its not like i troll around saying the leafs are better than the sabres.

Ask me about any leaf player and i will give the same honesty i give about sabres players.

[Acoustic-Fury]

Why does everyone here act like bduff is the big, bad guy who causes trouble? I think the vast majority of his opinions are spot on and he's clearly one of the best posters on here. He brings more to this board than anyone with his articles and opinions.

But because he's a TOR fan and he's critical of the Sabres at times, he's some kind of moron. Makes perfect sense.

Seeing as Bduff's opinion sways the minute his valued opinion is shit on is one of the first reasons for me, actually.

Cool, boss?

Seeing as your last 10 posts were trying to justify why Kaleta will never be more than a 4th liner - I tend to not really respect what you have to say on the Kaleta matter.

You are still trying to bag on Gaustad and holding onto the Campbell strings for christ sakes...

Gaustad is a much bigger role player on this team than Pyatt will ever be.

Campbell has 11 points in 11 games...Bernier has 8 pts in 8 games - real big loss (and we get a 1st rounder - yay!).

Lindy simplified the D and made the forwards accountable - we've won our last two because of it.

Mark my words - Campbell will cost San Jose in the playoffs. I've seen it a thousand times with that guy...



You still think Kaleta's assist on the GWG on Saturday doesn't make his style of play an asset? - nah...life time 4th liners never help in those situations...

[bduff54]

Seeing as Bduff's opinion sways the minute his valued opinion is shit on is one of the first reasons for me, actually.

Cool, boss?

Seeing as your last 10 posts were trying to justify why Kaleta will never be more than a 4th liner - I tend to not really respect what you have to say on the Kaleta matter.

You are still trying to bag on Gaustad and holding onto the Campbell strings for christ sakes...

Gaustad is a much bigger role player on this team than Pyatt will ever be.

Campbell has 11 points in 11 games...Bernier has 8 pts in 8 games - real big loss (and we get a 1st rounder - yay!).

Lindy simplified the D and made the forwards accountable - we've won our last two because of it.

Mark my words - Campbell will cost San Jose in the playoffs. I've seen it a thousand times with that guy...



You still think Kaleta's assist on the GWG on Saturday doesn't make his style of play an asset? - nah...life time 4th liners never help in those situations...


acoustic, guys like you will ignore all the good things campbell does, as soon as he makes a big mistake for SJ you will be all over him claiming i told you so.

he is a very good player, we all know this, no need to pretend otherwise.

so what is your prediction for kaleta?

i say he is a career grinder who hangs on in the league by playing close to the line and getting under peoples skin.

what do you say?

[stevesy]

However, I think Kaleta brings a much cleaner game that sets him apart from the players that have been mentioned in this thread - and I highly respect that about Kaleta's character.

hahahahhahahhahahahahhhahaha

You're killing me man. Please don't take off your Kaleta rose colored glasses. This is absolutely hilarious.

[Acoustic-Fury]

hahahahhahahhahahahahhhahaha

You're killing me man. Please don't take off your Kaleta rose colored glasses. This is absolutely hilarious.

I'm sorry that you think it's funny I get warm and tingly feelings with Kaleta that Matthew Barnaby could never give me.

[Acoustic-Fury]

http://buffalorange.com/showthread.php?p=1979292#post1979292

All homerism aside, I agree with the general idea. Guys like Kaleta are pieces of shit if they aren't on your team. All they do is run around and **** with people with no consequence because of all the new non-violent rules, when in the old days (yes there is a such thing as the old days) they would get punished for it. All this does is cause more built up anger and lead to brawls instead of what should be isolated incidents to let the player know they can't do that shit.

At least we have a guy who gets in people's heads now. Of course I'll reap the benefits as a fan, and it's nice to have in the new NHL, but I can't say I really approve that what Kaleta does can go unpunished, because when players from other teams do that shit to us, all we can do is send Kaleta out to be ornery to their players instead of sending someone out there to teach their ornery player a lesson. But oh well. I'm not too upset about it.

I think you should stop gulping down all that Kaleta haterade.

[bduff54]

acoustic, kaleta hit markov late and sprayed snow in toskalas eyes, he knows what he is doing man. I for one have no problem with it, you just need to admit he is not some little saint. he is a pest.

[camelcowboy]

Stay away from complimenting - you suck at it.

tsn.ca has him listed as "hot". So...since tsn.ca is the place to get your hockey knowledge...wouldn't that make Kaleta an offensive juggernaut right now?

2 point in 2 games doesn't make a nice point tear?

Jesus, do either one of you morons have a point? You both like kaleta leave it at that. This thread is like watching 2 handicap kids fighting in the parking lot.

[pigpen65]

Kaleta is a terrific hitter, which is where he excels over all the rest of them. I'm extremely glad he is a Sabre, and it has nothing to do with him being from Buffalo. All they need to do is add a legit fighter over the offseason, and the 4th line will be set.

[bduff54]

Jesus, do either one of you morons have a point? You both like kaleta leave it at that. This thread is like watching 2 handicap kids fighting in the parking lot.

haha, great line.

yeah man, i am with you. its like i am not liking him the right way, i have to like him for the integrity he shows. haha

[Acoustic-Fury]

This thread is like watching 2 handicap kids fighting in the parking lot.

That would be a first for me...

...however if you would have said something along the lines of "handicap kids masturbating furiously in gym glass"...you may have made for a more compelling visual that I could identify with.

Leave the wit at home, junior.

[Sabres244]

Oh he's a pest. AF you're a fool to think other wise. Does he have some offensive skill but his job is to get under the opposing teams skin and cause penalties, and that's exactly what he does. Barnaby was a pest and he had 300 career points.

[PG 13]

Seeing as your last 10 posts were trying to justify why Kaleta will never be more than a 4th liner - I tend to not really respect what you have to say on the Kaleta matter.

You are still trying to bag on Gaustad and holding onto the Campbell strings for christ sakes...

Gaustad is a much bigger role player on this team than Pyatt will ever be.

Campbell has 11 points in 11 games...Bernier has 8 pts in 8 games - real big loss (and we get a 1st rounder - yay!).

Lindy simplified the D and made the forwards accountable - we've won our last two because of it.

Mark my words - Campbell will cost San Jose in the playoffs. I've seen it a thousand times with that guy...


You still think Kaleta's assist on the GWG on Saturday doesn't make his style of play an asset? - nah...life time 4th liners never help in those situations...

Real simple points:

Kaleta is a 4th liner and is not a valuable player for the Sabres. I've backed with several facts in my previous posts.

Gaustad is an average player and a good penalty killer. As I've said all along, the guy will never have much of an offensive game and belongs on the 4th line. He didn't step up his game this year.

Trading for Campbell for Bernier didn't effect our team? They both have the same amount of pts. Excellent work. Only a complete ass would think losing one of the best D-men in the league for a solid forward would equal out. I'm not even bothering comparing the records of each team since the trade.

Campbell will cost San Jose in the playoffs. You've seen it 1000x? When? He shot the puck over the glass in the ECF vs. CAR, and I can't remember one other time he cost the team in the playoffs. Please give the other 999.

Kaleta is a marginal 4th line player. Gaustad is an average player with no offensive skill who hasn't stepped up his game. Campbell is one of the best defenseman in the league and the Sabres a much worse team without him.

[pigpen65]

Kaleta is a 4th liner and is not a valuable player for the Sabres. I've backed with several facts in my previous posts.

The last game the Sabres scored on the PP he drew from the snow job, then he crushed the Tonto defenseman and fed Stafford for the game winning goal.

Gaustad is an average player and a good penalty killer. As I've said all along, the guy will never have much of an offensive game and belongs on the 4th line. He didn't step up his game this year.

The past two season saving games he has been terrific, and productive, centering the first line. I would qualify that as stepping up.

[bduff54]

The last game the Sabres scored on the PP he drew from the snow job, then he crushed the Tonto defenseman and fed Stafford for the game winning goal.



The past two season saving games he has been terrific, and productive, centering the first line. I would qualify that as stepping up.

everything you said is true, i just hate when people say "Game winning goal". his goal made it 3-1 at the time.

Not saying you are wrong or anything, i just hate when people say that. i think we all know what a true GWG is.

[camelcowboy]

That would be a first for me...

...however if you would have said something along the lines of "handicap kids masturbating furiously in gym glass"...you may have made for a more compelling visual that I could identify with.

Leave the wit at home, junior.ok I will leave the wit at home I wouldn't want to deal with your autistic fury

[Acoustic-Fury]

Real simple points:

Kaleta is a 4th liner and is not a valuable player for the Sabres. I've backed with several facts in my previous posts.

Gaustad is an average player and a good penalty killer. As I've said all along, the guy will never have much of an offensive game and belongs on the 4th line. He didn't step up his game this year.

Sorry dude...not sure if you know that there can only be 3 guys on the 4th line...with your rationale it seems like you think there are 6.


Trading for Campbell for Bernier didn't effect our team? They both have the same amount of pts. Excellent work. Only a complete ass would think losing one of the best D-men in the league for a solid forward would equal out. I'm not even bothering comparing the records of each team since the trade.

Why do we always have to resort to name calling like asses and fools...what are we trying to do...make a mundane point sound more valid?
Yea - San Jose who got a nice piece to fit their puzzle down the stretch - did not get tougher and will be the downfall of their season...

Campbell will cost San Jose in the playoffs. You've seen it 1000x? When? He shot the puck over the glass in the ECF vs. CAR, and I can't remember one other time he cost the team in the playoffs. Please give the other 999.

I only look at big games and times them by 500 (everything else is trivial). The over the glass was worth 500x and
last year...Alfredsson made him look like a fool for the game winner - another 500x.

[Acoustic-Fury]

ok I will leave the wit at home I wouldn't want to deal with your autistic fury

I never resort to name calling.

[bduff54]

lol can't believe this thread went like this.

[camelcowboy]

I never resort to name calling.
original!
I have a feeling that you have pretty thick skin. You'll survive

[PG 13]

The last game the Sabres scored on the PP he drew from the snow job, then he crushed the Tonto defenseman and fed Stafford for the game winning goal.



The past two season saving games he has been terrific, and productive, centering the first line. I would qualify that as stepping up.


I'm not going to the Kaleta road again. You can see my posts about it.

2 games? Two good games? 3 pts in 2 games. Nice, good for him. Before that he had 2 goals in 45 games.

He has 31 pts in 73 games. He's a -5, third worst on the team. Last year he had 22 pts in 54 games and was a + 11.

Stepping up? Nope. Same average player.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

In terms of skills, Kaleta is an average hockey player on the best day of his life. But when you're talking about Kaleta's ability to fill the role he's been given on this team -- to bring physicality, draw penalties and frustrate the opposition from the fourth line -- he's outstanding. I don't know how anyone can say otherwise at this point.

[ksl66]

Listen I was one of the guys who doubted Kaleta's ability to be an NHL player, I was wrong. Does that mean he will be more than the role he now finds himself in? no. But he is very good at hat he does and he has the ability to contribute a little bit more in the next few years. The kid isn't an amazing talent, but he does have a huge heart and you see his passion for the game every time steps on the ice. I won't bet against the kid, but I think the pest role is perfect for him.

[PG 13]

In terms of skills, Kaleta is an average hockey player on the best day of his life. But when you're talking about Kaleta's ability to fill the role he's been given on this team -- to bring physicality, draw penalties and frustrate the opposition from the fourth line -- he's outstanding. I don't know how anyone can say otherwise at this point.

No one has said otherwise.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

No one has said otherwise.

So you would agree he's outstanding at the particular role he's been given?

[stevesy]

So you would agree he's outstanding at the particular role he's been given?

The pest role? Yep.

He also just happens to be a good hitter, handles the puck well, plays mistake free, and gives you an occasional point. All the qualities you want in your pest.

[Acoustic-Fury]

The grit role? Yep.

He also just happens to be a good hitter, handles the puck well, plays mistake free, and gives you an occasional point. All the qualities you want in your grit.

Fixed.

You are welcome!

[stevesy]

I still love how you say you respect his game over Avery, Tucker, Neil, Barnaby, etc. That's just absolutely hilarious. Post of the year by far.

I'm not going to get caught up in semantics here. Just know you'd hate him if he was on any other team. Where as with our other "gritty players," Mair, Gaustad, you wouldn't hate them. There's a bit of a difference there that I'm not sure you can see because you're staring at his pelvis with his balls resting on your chin.

[bduff54]

I still love how you say you respect his game over Avery, Tucker, Neil, Barnaby, etc. That's just absolutely hilarious. Post of the year by far.

yeah i don't get that either.

he has done 2 little pest like things already, the markov thing and the toskala thing, you respect those?

[Acoustic-Fury]

I still love how you say you respect his game over Avery, Tucker, Neil, Barnaby, etc. That's just absolutely hilarious. Post of the year by far.

It's the non jibber jabber - I dig that he doesn't talk shit.

It's not a common trait among the pests you list.

Thank you for the nomination - I will remember you in my acceptance speech. I promise.

[stevesy]

He definitely talks shit, dude.

[Acoustic-Fury]

Sweet! I love the balls on the chin comment!

I bet you thought long and hard on that one since it wasn't in your original post.

Besides balls on my chin, I do enjoy a man who thinks long and hard (heh) on what he wants to tell another man.

[Acoustic-Fury]

He definitely talks shit, dude.

When Kaleta talks shit, I will concede and announce that he is a pest...no problem whatsoever.

[pigpen65]

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[stevesy]

No amount of sarcasm is going to make your argument any stronger.

[camelcowboy]

Sweet! I love the balls on the chin comment!

I bet you thought long and hard on that one since it wasn't in your original post.

Besides balls on my chin, I do enjoy a man who thinks long and hard (heh) on what he wants to tell another man.

Wow, I'm going to have visit the free clinic after this thread

[stepsukie]

whane u mean pest...do u mean that his primary purpose on the ice is to agitate others? because that's not pats fault if the other guy gets pissed...he follows through on his checks...creates room for Staff and Mair...the opposing agitation is just a bonus...

[Ralonzo]

yes acoustic, and he also put snow in the face of toskala that led to newbury taking a penalty, that is a pest like move. And that's exactly what he intended.

I got a better idea. Why don't you just directly link the transcript of Coach's Corner, since whatever Grapes says is your opinion of the week anyway.

IMO Lindy Ruff called it the way it is. Kaleta plays a hard game, and that's it; not dirty, not cheap, not pesky for the sake of aggravating people. Just hard finishes on checks.

Whining about snowing the goalie, I bet Cherry squats to pee these days too.

[bduff54]

I got a better idea. Why don't you just directly link the transcript of Coach's Corner, since whatever Grapes says is your opinion of the week anyway.

IMO Lindy Ruff called it the way it is. Kaleta plays a hard game, and that's it; not dirty, not cheap, not pesky for the sake of aggravating people. Just hard finishes on checks.

Whining about snowing the goalie, I bet Cherry squats to pee these days too.

you don't get it, did i say i don't like what he did to toskala? Nope, it was him doing his job.

you don't read my posts

[Ralonzo]

Sure I do duff, but let's face it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Cherry didn't point at Kaleta as a pest.

[bduff54]

Sure I do duff, but let's face it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion if Cherry didn't point at Kaleta as a pest.

why not? isn't that what we want him to be?????

i am so confused? i want him to be a pest, thats what will make him affective in this league and it is good for the sabres.

You are acting like i think its a bad thing.

[Ralonzo]

It is not a matter of being a good thing or a bad thing, it is a matter of whether it's an accurate description.

The question is whether Kaleta is in the mold of players thought of as pests and the point made is that generally, pest type players have two main attributes:

1) They have a big mouth like Jarkko Ruutu, Matt Cooke, Matt Barnaby.
2) They're dirty like Jordin Tootoo, Claude Lemieux, Bryan Marchment.
(Or both like Sean Avery, Darcy Tucker, Ken Linseman, Esa Tikkanen, Dale Hunter)

So, you're either saying Kaleta is a pest (dirty, or a mouth), or should aspire to be one in order to be effective. I disagree with both premises. He's been effective in his 4th line role by hunting the puck and finishing checks.

[Acoustic-Fury]

It is not a matter of being a good thing or a bad thing, it is a matter of whether it's an accurate description.

The question is whether Kaleta is in the mold of players thought of as pests and the point made is that generally, pest type players have two main attributes:

1) They have a big mouth like Jarkko Ruutu, Matt Cooke, Matt Barnaby.
2) They're dirty like Jordin Tootoo, Claude Lemieux, Bryan Marchment.
(Or both like Sean Avery, Darcy Tucker, Ken Linseman, Esa Tikkanen, Dale Hunter)

So, you're either saying Kaleta is a pest (dirty, or a mouth), or should aspire to be one in order to be effective. I disagree with both premises. He's been effective in his 4th line role by hunting the puck and finishing checks.

Exactly Ralonzo. You have summed it up ever so eloquently...thank you for that.