BUFFALO NEWS-Kennedy, Butler Gerbe ready to help

[bernier56]

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The Buffalo Sabres don’t have much talent left in Rochester but the picture is better in the college ranks. South Buffalo native and Michigan State star Tim Kennedy is among a trio of juniors at top-10 programs who hope to make an impact in the NCAA Tournament — and get a chance to play in Buffalo sometime next season.

Kennedy and Boston College star Nathan Gerbe are electric forwards in the Patrick Kane mode while Den-ver’s Chris Butler is a lanky puck-carrying defenseman. Kennedy and Butler were standouts at the Sabres’ prospect camp last summer and Gerbe has had the most productive college season, leading BC in scoring with 27 goals and 25 assists in 37 games. His 52 points are second in the nation.

“We’re excited for those three guys,” said Jon Christiano, the Sabres’ pro scout. “They’re key guys on their teams, captain-kind of guys. They’re leaders, playmakers, competitors. Those are the kind of guys you want in your organization.”

How the Sabres deal with their college stars bears watching because the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement makes it more imperative for teams to quickly groom older college players. After all, you can’t take a 22-or 23-year-old and put him in the minors for a year or two when unrestricted free agency comes at 27.

Most talk about Buffalo prospects focuses on Kennedy because he’s the pride of Bishop Timon-St. Jude. The left winger leads Michigan State in scoring (19 goals, 21 assists) as the Spartans are hoping to defend the national championship they won at last year’s Frozen Four in St. Louis. But MSU (24-11-5) will have to wait for an NCAA at-large berth after being upset by Northern Michigan in the best-of-three CCHA quarterfinals.

“I think I’m ready for the next step but who can really tell what’s going to happen,” Kennedy said recently. “It’s every kid’s dream to play for the hometown team but we’ll see what happens. I’ll work hard and if they want to give me a shot, that would be great. And I still have a great school that I can go back to. When it’s time to talk with the Sabres, we’ll talk.”

Kennedy, like most elite college hockey players who have already been drafted, has an adviser to serve as a liaison between him and the Sabres. He was a sixth-round pick by Washington in 2005 before being traded to the Sabres later on draft day but getting him signed will certainly warrant more money than a normal sixth-rounder could command because he might be a firstround pick if he were draft-eligible now.

Kennedy (5-foot-10, 180) and Gerbe (5-5, 165) both play a feisty game in spite of their size. Kennedy, in fact, has routinely battled with 6- foot-3 University of Michigan defenseman Mark Mitera, a first-round draft pick of the Anaheim Ducks.

“What we like is Timmy has good speed, he’s quick. He’s got pretty good hands and he plays with an edge,” Christiano said. “When he’s playing feisty and competing, he’s a tough guy to go against. He’s going to have every chance to move up in the organization. . . . He’s in the upper echelon of college players who can make things happen.”

Kennedy and linemate Justin Abdelkader, Detroit’s second-round pick in 2005, face similar decisions this spring. Veteran State coach Rick Comley has made it clear he believes the players will develop better by staying in college rather than by playing in the AHL. With the Sabres splitting their Rochester team in the AHL this year with the Florida Panthers, there was no room for Kennedy there anyway and he stayed in school.

Kennedy has a different decision to make this year. The success of Kane, the South Buffalo native starring as a rookie in Chicago, certainly boosts his confidence that he can quickly get acclimated to the NHL.

“What Patty has done shows you how you can have that success,” Kennedy said. “I’m not that far off in my mind and that gives me a lot of confidence I can do it too. There’s been a growth and amount of better skilled, better talented kids from Buffalo. People might not know about it but we don’t think it’s weird. We knew how good we were growing up.”

The Spartans won their national title last year with a 3-1 win over BC in the championship game. Kennedy assisted on Abdelkader’s tie-breaking goal with 18.9 seconds left and was named to the all-tournament team. This year, of course, State has been a target at every stop on the schedule.

“It’s been tough on us all year,” Kennedy said. “Right from the start, we’ve been looked at as a good team. Maybe people took us for granted last year. Not now. Every night, we’re going to get people’s ‘A’ games. You have to come to the rink every night with your ‘A’ game or you’re not winning.”

The way last season ended and all of his preseason billing brought Kennedy extra attention as well. He got off to a fast start but endured a 13- game drought without a goal that lasted until Feb. 15 and was the longest of his collegiate career. He heated up at the end of the schedule, getting five goals and four assists in the final six games of the regular season.

“It seemed at the start of the year, most every chance I was getting I was putting home,” he said. “You just can’t get down on yourself. Goals come in spurts but who doesn’t like to score? I’m not that frustrated. You just keep working hard.”

Prior to State, Kennedy played for Sioux City in the United States Hockey League and was a teammate of Butler’s. Kennedy was named a second-team CCHA pick last week.

“He’s their key up front with Abdelkader,” Christiano said. “If they’re not going, their team’s not going. This year there has been so much expected from him to be more of a leader. He’s gotten better with each year and that’s something we really like. We liked him in the USHL and he’s really developing well at Michigan State.”

Gerbe, a center who was Buffalo’s fifth-round pick in 2005, was the Hockey East player of the month for both January and February and ranks fifth in the country in points per game (1.41). He scored an overtime winner against Boston University in BC’s semifinal win in the prestigious Bean-pot Tournament last month in Boston and tallied a spectacular penalty shot goal in last week’s Hockey East playoffs against Providence that’s a sensation on YouTube. The Eagles are 18-11-8.

“He’s another guy that always makes things happen,” Christiano said. “You didn’t go to a game and not say, ‘Who’s that little guy?’ He’s a fun guy to watch. He’s so quick.”

Butler (6-1, 195) has had another good season despite burning 80 percent of his right hand in a kitchen fire in September in his off-campus apartment. He is plus-nine this year with three goals and 14 assists.

“He’s very good defensively, very smart and aware,” Christiano said. “He’s a very good skater, has good lateral movement and ability. He can make that first pass out of the zone. He’s a focal point on their power play. He’s on the ice for them in every big situation.”

Another Sabres draft pick on the BC roster is junior Andrew Orpik, the brother of Penguins defenseman Brooks Orpik. A seventh-round pick in 2004, he has seven goals and five assists.

Michigan State’s roster includes two other Buffalo- area players, sophomore defenseman Michael Ratchuk and senior winger Chris Mueller. Ratchuk, a Philadelphia Flyers draft pick, has six goals and 19 assists. Mueller, whose empty-net goal clinched last year’s national championship game, has 12 goals and 14 assists.

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[jlpubarch]

Give me Kennedy or give me death.

At 5'10", he's allowed on all the rides at Darien Lake...Gerbe on the other hand, can ride the carousel w/ Thumper and Stevesy. (boo-yah, punks)

Besides, who wouldn't want another Buffalo native (Patty K) who'll give 100% every night?

[TheAnswer74]

Give me Kennedy or give me death.

At 5'10", he's allowed on all the rides at Darien Lake...Gerbe on the other hand, can ride the carousel w/ Thumper and Stevesy. (boo-yah, punks)

Besides, who wouldn't want another Buffalo native (Patty K) who'll give 100% every night?

I dont know, you ever try to knock a midget over? Those suckers have low center of gravity and are hard to move. I bet Gerbe is like a rock on the ice. Imagine a guy like Chara trying to check Gerbe, he would miss every time.

Ide love to give Kennedy one of the Center spots next season.

[Thumper]

Give me Kennedy or give me death.

At 5'10", he's allowed on all the rides at Darien Lake...Gerbe on the other hand, can ride the carousel w/ Thumper and Stevesy. (boo-yah, punks)

Besides, who wouldn't want another Buffalo native (Patty K) who'll give 100% every night?

**** you, jl. Either go back into that Gerbe thread and prove me wrong, or forever hold your shit spewing mouth tightly shut.

[buffalofan19]

This thread turned really funny really fast.

[jlpubarch]

**** you, jl. Either go back into that Gerbe thread and prove me wrong, or forever hold your shit spewing mouth tightly shut.

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"Thumper....thumper...., yurr bushtin' my bawrs here, yurr bushtin' my bawrs."

[Dontdieman]

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[jlpubarch]

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That right there is why I pay the extra $250 per door to get solid hardwood.

See if some punkass kid can put himself through that...more likely he just knocks himself out.

[Thumper]

"Thumper....thumper...., yurr bushtin' my bawrs here, yurr bushtin' my bawrs."

When basic intelligence fails, fall back on humor. Can't argue your point again, huh? I suppose you'll just slither out of this thread without a word, much like you do in many other threads that I've argued my point with your's.

[jlpubarch]

Dude, its basic science...you weigh 40 pounds less than the league average and you get bounced around. Core strength, will-to-play and speed won't protect you from being blasted by a Boston, NYR or NJD scheme that essentially FORCES you to go into the corner to retrieve your own dump-ins.

Besides, this website isn't a place for "college know-it-all hippes" to aggrandize themselves by arguing things, then refusing to accept rational rebuttals...that's what High School debate teams are for...

Will Gerbe make the Sabres within 2 years? Probably...

Is he at greater risk of injury or more wear and tear than other, say 200 lb. 6'-0" tall power forwards? Absolutely.

[TheAnswer74]

Dude, its basic science...you weigh 40 pounds less than the league average and you get bounced around. Core strength, will-to-play and speed won't protect you from being blasted by a Boston, NYR or NJD scheme that essentially FORCES you to go into the corner to retrieve your own dump-ins.

Besides, this website isn't a place for "college know-it-all hippes" to aggrandize themselves by arguing things, then refusing to accept rational rebuttals...that's what High School debate teams are for...

Will Gerbe make the Sabres within 2 years? Probably...

Is he at greater risk of injury or more wear and tear than other, say 200 lb. 6'-0" tall power forwards? Absolutely.

Look at Patrick Kane , he seems to be ok. He is taller and weighs about the same.

Quickness dominates in todays game. If you cant catch him you cant hit him.

[Thumper]

Dude, its basic science...you weigh 40 pounds less than the league average and you get bounced around. Core strength, will-to-play and speed won't protect you from being blasted by a Boston, NYR or NJD scheme that essentially FORCES you to go into the corner to retrieve your own dump-ins.

Besides, this website isn't a place for "college know-it-all hippes" to aggrandize themselves by arguing things, then refusing to accept rational rebuttals...that's what High School debate teams are for...
First of all, I didn't go to college, and I was never on the super cool high school debate team. Second of all, you rarely rebute any point rationally. But tell me, whom exactly is this board for? People that are ignorant enough to think that they know everything about the people they're posting with? Thirdly, how many players have gotten concussed while playing against NJ, NYR, or Boston in the last few years? Do you have any facts to back any of your pathetic statements up? Or do you just like to think that you know what you're talking about?

Is he at greater risk of injury or more wear and tear than other, say 200 lb. 6'-0" tall power forwards? Absolutely.
Prove it.

[Blofan4life]

If both of these guys aren't in the AHL next year, it should only be for one reason, they are staying in school. If these want to come out there should be no reason why the Sabres shouldn't sign them. Kennedy will be the real deal, not so sold on Gerbe yet.

[Mouldsie]

Gerbe = Maurice Jones-Drew?

[jlpubarch]

Prove it.

Newton's 2nd law of motion

F = m(a)

where:
F = force in Newtons
m = weight in kg
a = acceleration in m/s²

Nate Gerbe measurables

Height - 5'5"
Weight - 165 lbs. = 74.84 kg

Michal Rozsival measurables (taken at random from NYR, NJD & BOS)

Height - 6'2"
Weight - 210 lbs. = 95.25 kg

Assumptions:

Let's assume that Gerbe and Rozsival collide at mid-ice (a highly unlikely scenario given that the Rangers allow you to take the blue line but quickly collapse, AND given Gerbe's elusiveness, but for the point of this exercise, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and provide you with a scenario in which Gerbe's speed was given some credit as opposed to a scenario in which he simply skates into the corner and has his face smashed into the seam between the wooden board and the plexiglas divider, thereby ending his season very quickly)

Let's also assume that Gerbe can skate as fast as Maxim Afinogenov, a factor of about 1.25 in relation to Rozsival (i.e. he can skate 25% faster than him)

So let's say that Rozsival can skate 20 MPH at top speed. Therefore, Gerbe can skate 20(1.25) = 25.

20 MPH = 8.94 m/s²

25 MPH = 11.176 m/s²

Gerbe's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 74.84(11.176)

F = 836.41184 N

Rozsival's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 95.25(8.94)

F = 851.535 N

Ok, so on the surface, it looks like the numbers are similar. However, let's take the height attribute I mentioned earlier into account.

If the force is applied at the points of contact, then the force of the collision is applied to the respective body parts:

Rozsival's mid-section.

Gerbe's head.

836 N applied to the center of gravity of Michal Rozsival = same effect as 851 N applied to Nate Gerbe's head? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Look...the kid's good. But there are reasonable concerns with his long-term viability in a league that is becoming increasingly 'pre-lock out' and more physical.

BTW, 851 N is equal to 190 lbs. of force.
It takes 250 lbs. of force to fracture the human skull O_o...think about it.

[SHINEdown30]

kennedy is going be a star in this league.

[Thumper]

Newton's 2nd law of motion

F = m(a)

where:
F = force in Newtons
m = weight in kg
a = acceleration in m/s²

Nate Gerbe measurables

Height - 5'5"
Weight - 165 lbs. = 74.84 kg

Michal Rozsival measurables (taken at random from NYR, NJD & BOS)

Height - 6'2"
Weight - 210 lbs. = 95.25 kg

Assumptions:

Let's assume that Gerbe and Rozsival collide at mid-ice (a highly unlikely scenario given that the Rangers allow you to take the blue line but quickly collapse, AND given Gerbe's elusiveness, but for the point of this exercise, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and provide you with a scenario in which Gerbe's speed was given some credit as opposed to a scenario in which he simply skates into the corner and has his face smashed into the seam between the wooden board and the plexiglas divider, thereby ending his season very quickly)

Let's also assume that Gerbe can skate as fast as Maxim Afinogenov, a factor of about 1.25 in relation to Rozsival (i.e. he can skate 25% faster than him)

So let's say that Rozsival can skate 20 MPH at top speed. Therefore, Gerbe can skate 20(1.25) = 25.

20 MPH = 8.94 m/s²

25 MPH = 11.176 m/s²

Gerbe's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 74.84(11.176)

F = 836.41184 N

Rozsival's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 95.25(8.94)

F = 851.535 N

Ok, so on the surface, it looks like the numbers are similar. However, let's take the height attribute I mentioned earlier into account.

If the force is applied at the points of contact, then the force of the collision is applied to the respective body parts:

Rozsival's mid-section.

Gerbe's head.

836 N applied to the center of gravity of Michal Rozsival = same effect as 851 N applied to Nate Gerbe's head? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Look...the kid's good. But there are reasonable concerns with his long-term viability in a league that is becoming increasingly 'pre-lock out' and more physical.

BTW, 851 N is equal to 190 lbs. of force.
It takes 250 lbs. of force to fracture the human skull O_o...think about it.

None of this means anything. Your end result is all based on assumption.

Does any of your babble explain why current players like Tim Connolly (6'1" 191 lbs) and Dean McAmmond (5'11" 195 lbs) have had multiple concussions? What about Paestch (6'1" 198 lbs) and Stafford's (6'2" 202 lbs) recent concussions?

How about the very large physical specimens named Eric Lindros (6'4" 230 lbs) or Keith Primeau (6'5" 230 lbs)? Does your shitty condescending math lesson explain the repeat concussions both players eventually lost their careers too? No, it doesn't.

Oops....Some how the high school grad that enjoys a joint now and then has out-smarted you again, huh..

[Pondslider]

How the Sabres deal with their college stars bears watching because the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement makes it more imperative for teams to quickly groom older college players. After all, you can’t take a 22-or 23-year-old and put him in the minors for a year or two when unrestricted free agency comes at 27.

I've been thinking about what kinds of contracts these guys are going to get. I wonder if they'll start giving longer term contracts to start with in order to keep these guys in the system.

[jlpubarch]

None of this means anything. Your end result is all based on assumption.

Does any of your babble explain why current players like Tim Connolly (6'1" 191 lbs) and Dean MacAmmond (5'11" 195 lbs) have had multiple concussions? What about Paestch (6'1" 198 lbs) and Stafford's (6'2" 202 lbs) recent concussions?

How about the very large physical specimens named Eric Lindros (6'4" 230 lbs) or Keith Primeau (6'5" 230 lbs)? Does your shitty condescending math lesson explain the repeat concussions both players eventually lost their careers too? Oops....Some how the high school grad that enjoys a joint now and then has out-smarted you again.

You base your victories on standards that you set for yourself.

You outsmart me because you can list 4 players that have long histories of concussion problems?

The numbers don't lie.

Eventually, all the statistics level themselves out over a long enough period of time.

Besides, Paetsch's head went directly into the endboards. He weighs more than Gerbe and was hit by a player lighter than most defensemen. Imagine what happens when a player 40 lbs. lighter does the same.

Injury, probably. Death, maybe.

By listing players that are heavier and have had serious injuries only strengthens my point.

You shave 40-50 pounds off the player and the chance of injury increases.

EXAMPLE:

Drury gets plastered by Neil's elbow when Neil actually has to reach up and get him...

Gerbe gets plastered by Neil's elbow when he doesn't have to reach up and puts more of his bodyweight into the hit? FAR MORE DAMAGE.

There is a reason why your 5'5" hockey players are few and far between...

[TheAnswer74]

Newton's 2nd law of motion

F = m(a)

where:
F = force in Newtons
m = weight in kg
a = acceleration in m/s²

Nate Gerbe measurables

Height - 5'5"
Weight - 165 lbs. = 74.84 kg

Michal Rozsival measurables (taken at random from NYR, NJD & BOS)

Height - 6'2"
Weight - 210 lbs. = 95.25 kg

Assumptions:

Let's assume that Gerbe and Rozsival collide at mid-ice (a highly unlikely scenario given that the Rangers allow you to take the blue line but quickly collapse, AND given Gerbe's elusiveness, but for the point of this exercise, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and provide you with a scenario in which Gerbe's speed was given some credit as opposed to a scenario in which he simply skates into the corner and has his face smashed into the seam between the wooden board and the plexiglas divider, thereby ending his season very quickly)

Let's also assume that Gerbe can skate as fast as Maxim Afinogenov, a factor of about 1.25 in relation to Rozsival (i.e. he can skate 25% faster than him)

So let's say that Rozsival can skate 20 MPH at top speed. Therefore, Gerbe can skate 20(1.25) = 25.

20 MPH = 8.94 m/s²

25 MPH = 11.176 m/s²

Gerbe's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 74.84(11.176)

F = 836.41184 N

Rozsival's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 95.25(8.94)

F = 851.535 N

Ok, so on the surface, it looks like the numbers are similar. However, let's take the height attribute I mentioned earlier into account.

If the force is applied at the points of contact, then the force of the collision is applied to the respective body parts:

Rozsival's mid-section.

Gerbe's head.

836 N applied to the center of gravity of Michal Rozsival = same effect as 851 N applied to Nate Gerbe's head? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Look...the kid's good. But there are reasonable concerns with his long-term viability in a league that is becoming increasingly 'pre-lock out' and more physical.

BTW, 851 N is equal to 190 lbs. of force.
It takes 250 lbs. of force to fracture the human skull O_o...think about it.

I dont know how long that took you, but it really doesnt apply unless Gerbe gets into a head on collision.

Does Gerbe have the quickness to avoid hits? Does he have the quickness to beat a bigger defensmen to the corner?

YES.

Also, just to show you that heart > Newton's 2nd law of motion

Patrick Kaleta 5'11 195lbs (Probably smaller) vs Brain McCabe 6'2 220 lbs.

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[jlpubarch]

I dont know how long that took you, but it really doesnt apply unless Gerbe gets into a head on collision.

Does Gerbe have the quickness to avoid hits? Does he have the quickness to beat a bigger defensmen to the corner?

YES.

Also, just show you that heart > Newton's 2nd law of motion

Patrick Kaleta 5'11 195lbs (Probably smaller) vs Brain McCabe 6'2 220 lbs.

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Heart is great, I love Kaleta.

But sooner or later even the smartest 'heart' guy gets knocked in the head (Drury via Neil)

and the results speak for themselves.

Even danglers get caught. (Connolly via Schaefer)

[TheAnswer74]

Heart is great, I love Kaleta.

But sooner or later even the smartest 'heart' guy gets knocked in the head (Drury via Neil)

and the results speak for themselves.

Even danglers get caught. (Connolly via Schaefer)

Yes, he would lose a collision pretty much everytime, but you have to hit him 1st.

Its harder than you might think.

[Mouldsie]

all i know is that i was the smallest kid on my football team and at pretty much every camp i attended but when the ball was in the air and their was a collision or i lowered my shoulder as a RB I rarely lost the battle...

i wont count him out just yet.

[unklechucky]

I dont know, you ever try to knock a midget over? Those suckers have low center of gravity and are hard to move. I bet Gerbe is like a rock on the ice. Imagine a guy like Chara trying to check Gerbe, he would miss every time.

Ide love to give Kennedy one of the Center spots next season.

ive heard of cow tipping....but youve been out midget tipping??:supbro2:

[TheAnswer74]

ive heard of cow tipping....but youve been out midget tipping??:supbro2:

lol, I should explain that shouldnt I?

When I was in High school there was this midget "little person", who would bet us we couldnt push him over. He would squat a little and that guy wouldnt move an inch.

He was a cool guy, he used to do flips also which was the funniest thing ever.

[joeystrass]

Newton's 2nd law of motion

F = m(a)

where:
F = force in Newtons
m = weight in kg
a = acceleration in m/s²

Nate Gerbe measurables

Height - 5'5"
Weight - 165 lbs. = 74.84 kg

Michal Rozsival measurables (taken at random from NYR, NJD & BOS)

Height - 6'2"
Weight - 210 lbs. = 95.25 kg

Assumptions:

Let's assume that Gerbe and Rozsival collide at mid-ice (a highly unlikely scenario given that the Rangers allow you to take the blue line but quickly collapse, AND given Gerbe's elusiveness, but for the point of this exercise, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and provide you with a scenario in which Gerbe's speed was given some credit as opposed to a scenario in which he simply skates into the corner and has his face smashed into the seam between the wooden board and the plexiglas divider, thereby ending his season very quickly)

Let's also assume that Gerbe can skate as fast as Maxim Afinogenov, a factor of about 1.25 in relation to Rozsival (i.e. he can skate 25% faster than him)

So let's say that Rozsival can skate 20 MPH at top speed. Therefore, Gerbe can skate 20(1.25) = 25.

20 MPH = 8.94 m/s²

25 MPH = 11.176 m/s²

Gerbe's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 74.84(11.176)

F = 836.41184 N

Rozsival's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 95.25(8.94)

F = 851.535 N

Ok, so on the surface, it looks like the numbers are similar. However, let's take the height attribute I mentioned earlier into account.

If the force is applied at the points of contact, then the force of the collision is applied to the respective body parts:

Rozsival's mid-section.

Gerbe's head.

836 N applied to the center of gravity of Michal Rozsival = same effect as 851 N applied to Nate Gerbe's head? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Look...the kid's good. But there are reasonable concerns with his long-term viability in a league that is becoming increasingly 'pre-lock out' and more physical.

BTW, 851 N is equal to 190 lbs. of force.
It takes 250 lbs. of force to fracture the human skull O_o...think about it.

There are so many variables that you didn't factor in that make this rambling useless. What are you trying to prove? That you can do math? Congrats. You really have no logic whatsoever to your posts. You give reasons that make sense to you but no one else.

Just because YOU think the guy is too small means nothing. Have you seen him play often? Do you really know much about him? Tell us something that you can actually factually back up and not some horrible attempt at a math problem.

[stevesy]

Gerbe on the other hand, can ride the carousel w/ Thumper and Stevesy. (boo-yah, punks)

You're just mad because you weren't invited.

[TheAnswer74]

Newton's 2nd law of motion

F = m(a)

where:
F = force in Newtons
m = weight in kg
a = acceleration in m/s²

Nate Gerbe measurables

Height - 5'5"
Weight - 165 lbs. = 74.84 kg

Michal Rozsival measurables (taken at random from NYR, NJD & BOS)

Height - 6'2"
Weight - 210 lbs. = 95.25 kg

Assumptions:

Let's assume that Gerbe and Rozsival collide at mid-ice (a highly unlikely scenario given that the Rangers allow you to take the blue line but quickly collapse, AND given Gerbe's elusiveness, but for the point of this exercise, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt and provide you with a scenario in which Gerbe's speed was given some credit as opposed to a scenario in which he simply skates into the corner and has his face smashed into the seam between the wooden board and the plexiglas divider, thereby ending his season very quickly)

Let's also assume that Gerbe can skate as fast as Maxim Afinogenov, a factor of about 1.25 in relation to Rozsival (i.e. he can skate 25% faster than him)

So let's say that Rozsival can skate 20 MPH at top speed. Therefore, Gerbe can skate 20(1.25) = 25.

20 MPH = 8.94 m/s²

25 MPH = 11.176 m/s²

Gerbe's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 74.84(11.176)

F = 836.41184 N

Rozsival's calculations:

F = m(a)

F = 95.25(8.94)

F = 851.535 N

Ok, so on the surface, it looks like the numbers are similar. However, let's take the height attribute I mentioned earlier into account.

If the force is applied at the points of contact, then the force of the collision is applied to the respective body parts:

Rozsival's mid-section.

Gerbe's head.

836 N applied to the center of gravity of Michal Rozsival = same effect as 851 N applied to Nate Gerbe's head? NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Look...the kid's good. But there are reasonable concerns with his long-term viability in a league that is becoming increasingly 'pre-lock out' and more physical.

BTW, 851 N is equal to 190 lbs. of force.
It takes 250 lbs. of force to fracture the human skull O_o...think about it.



One more for you...

6'5 215lb Matt Smaby vs 5'5 165 lb Nate Gerbe

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[Riley_Mason]

Gerbe is 5'5", but it's not going to be so easy to hit him in the open ice. And he'll be able to skate between Pronger's legs. Of course, Pronger will just step on him.

[Riley_Mason]

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[M76]

i brake the water line with some of my shits, they aren't 5'5 but they seem like it some times

[Thumper]

You base your victories on standards that you set for yourself.
It's not about achieving some sort of "victory" for me, jl. I just have issues with people that act like they're an expert on a subject such as this one, where even the most respected Neurologists in the world still can't explain things about concussions, where you try to convey to people here that you've got it all figured out.

There isn't a track record of shorter players sustaining concussions more often than taller players. Throw all of the garbage math equations at me that you want...It won't change the fact that you probably can't name one player, 5'9" or under, that's had a chronic concussion problem in the NHL. Kevin Kaminski is the only one. But he was a 5'9" enforcer who brawled with anyone, and took many, many, many punches to the head. So jl, how many could you name? You could even go up to 5'10" if you want...Since you're so convinced that the height of the player matters, you must have seen a lot of evidence of it, right?You outsmart me because you can list 4 players that have long histories of concussion problems? I could add Pat LaFontaine, Adam Deadmarsh, and Nick Kypreos to my list...none of them under the height of 5'10" (LaFontaine). The average height of the players I've named is OVER 6 feet tall. Should I keep going?The numbers don't lie.Who's numbers? Your's that are based on assumptions and situational circumstance? Or mine that are based on fact and history?Eventually, all the statistics level themselves out over a long enough period of time.What statistics are you talking about? You haven't given any statistics. The only statistics there are, are the players that have had chornic concussion problems. NONE OF THEM (besides Kaminski) are under the height of 5'10". How much easier can history and I make this for you?By listing players that are heavier and have had serious injuries only strengthens my point.HAHA! What??? It completely sabotages your point! The players that I've named aren't just heavier, they're much taller. You conveniently left that minor detail (the main point of this entire conversation) out. Why are there way more players that are 5'11" and up that have concussion issues than there are 5'10" and under? That helps your point? Unbelievable....No wonder you can't grasp this.You shave 40-50 pounds off the player and the chance of injury increases. EXAMPLE:
Drury gets plastered by Neil's elbow when Neil actually has to reach up and get him...

Gerbe gets plastered by Neil's elbow when he doesn't have to reach up and puts more of his bodyweight into the hit? FAR MORE DAMAGE. Wrong.
If Neil keeps his arms tied against his body, he's not concentrating the point of impact to the circumference of his elbow. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

Say a 100 pound woman wearing high heels steps on your head with her heel. There'd be much more force concentrated at the bottom of her heel than there would be if she did the same thing while wearing a sneaker or a boot. Her body weight would be spread more evenly at the point of impact, theoretically "softening the blow". That's an example of why this part of your reasoning is completely ass backwards.There is a reason why your 5'5" hockey players are few and far between...You can't comprehend that the average height of mankind may have just a little bit to do with that? Open your mind, man...Let some common sense in.

[joeystrass]

Thumper :beatupguy: jlpubarch

[MauvaisSang]

It's not about achieving some sort of "victory" for me, jl. I just have issues with people that act like they're an expert on a subject such as this one, where even the most respected Neurologists in the world still can't explain things about concussions, where you try to convey to people here that you've got it all figured out.

There isn't a track record of shorter players sustaining concussions more often than taller players. Throw all of the garbage math equations at me that you want...It won't change the fact that you probably can't name one player, 5'9" or under, that's had a chronic concussion problem in the NHL. Kevin Kaminski is the only one. But he was a 5'9" enforcer who brawled with anyone, and took many, many, many punches to the head. So jl, how many could you name? You could even go up to 5'10" if you want...Since you're so convinced that the height of the player matters, you must have seen a lot of evidence of it, right?[/i] I could add Pat LaFontaine, Adam Deadmarsh, and Nick Kypreos to my list...none of them under the height of 5'10" (LaFontaine). The average height of the players I've named is OVER 6 feet tall. Should I keep going?[/i]Who's numbers? Your's that are based on assumptions and situational circumstance? Or mine that are based on fact and history?[/i]What statistics are you talking about? You haven't given any statistics. The only statistics there are, are the players that have had chornic concussion problems. NONE OF THEM (besides Kaminski) are under the height of 5'10". How much easier can history and I make this for you?[/i]HAHA! What??? It completely sabotages your point! The players that I've named aren't just heavier, they're much taller. You conveniently left that minor detail (the main point of this entire conversation) out. Why are there way more players that are 5'11" and up that have concussion issues than there are 5'10" and under? That helps your point? Unbelievable....No wonder you can't grasp this.[/i] Wrong.
If Neil keeps his arms tied against his body, he's not concentrating the point of impact to the circumference of his elbow. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

Say a 100 pound woman wearing high heels steps on your head with her heel. There'd be much more force concentrated at the bottom of her heel than there would be if she did the same thing while wearing a sneaker or a boot. Her body weight would be spread more evenly at the point of impact, theoretically "softening the blow". That's an example of why this part of your reasoning is completely ass backwards.[/i]You can't comprehend that the average height of mankind may have just a little bit to do with that? Open your mind, man...Let some common sense in.

Wow. There's nothing left of Pubarch but bone fragments.

On another note, I've had a 100 pound woman in heels step on my head. Good time. I highly recommend it.

[Thumper]

Thumper :beatupguy: jlpubarch

I haven't even trashed his idiotic statement that teams which play the trap are more likely to concuss their opponents. I couldn't even begin to tell you where the hell he came up with that one. A blow to the head is a blow to the head, whether the trap is part of the game plan of the opposition or not. Has anyone ever heard that the trap is part of the reason so many players get concussed? Can anyone even make sense of that statement? Why? Because dump and chase comes into play, so there's more hitting in the corners? Most of the players that have had chronic concussion problems have gotten hit with an elbow or a shoulder to the head in the open ice. It's just another non-point that jl has obviously pulled directly from his ass.

If anything, the teams that trap are actually slowing their opposition's speed game down.....Meaning less velocity with bodychecks, which equals less damage from the hit.