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nehemiah
March 17th, 2008, 12:57:04 PM
Now here's a chilling moment of convergence. In the same week as the conflict in Iraq passes its fifth anniversary, a big financial beast, the Bear Sterns bank, goes belly up on Wall Street. Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz estimates the war has cost $3 trillion and still counting. Nouriel Roubini of NYU's Stern School of Business comes up with a similar $3 trillion price tag for cleaning up the meltdown in global financial markets. As the old joke goes, we'll soon be talking real money here.

Like most such estimates both are still hotly disputed, but no one says that resolving either problem is going to be cheap. Fewer people will die as a result of the overheated loans market, though if it forces a lot of important people to take their minds off the climate change agenda, not even that will be true. Weekend reports suggest that icebergs are now melting almost as fast as the Bears Sterns share price, sold for $2 apiece, 6% of its book value.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/03/michael_whites_political_blog_104.html


Stocks got off to a rocky start on Monday as Wall Street weighed a stunning series of weekend developments that confirmed investors’ worst fears about the fragile state of the financial industry.

Shares of financial firms plummeted as one of Wall Street’s most storied banks, Bear Stearns, lay on its deathbed and central bankers scrambled to stave off a devastating crisis of confidence in the investment community.

The broadest measure of the American stock market, the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index, was down more than 2 percent at 12:30 p.m., as the index edged toward bear-market territory. The Dow was plunged 200 points at the start of trading, then staged a recovery into positive territory before falling back again. At 12:30, it was 0ff 156 points. The Nasdaq composite index was down 2 percent.

While stocks steered clear of a more precipitous drop, the credit market sounded a more alarming note. Investors appeared to shrug off a series of emergency measures taken by the Federal Reserve on Sunday to shore up confidence in banks’ ability to pay back loans. Instead, the cost of overnight borrowing between banks rose by the most in seven years, as a benchmark gauge of the credit market remained elevated far above its normal level.

Investors remain fearful that a panic in the credit markets — which threw Bear Stearns to the brink of bankruptcy and forced a sale to JPMorgan Chase at the humbling price of $2 a share — could spread to other big brokerage firms with extensive exposure to toxic mortgage-backed securities. The concerns drove investors to the safety of government notes, sending the spread between three-month London interbank lending rates and Treasury bills up to 1.9 percentage points.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/business/worldbusiness/17cnd-stox.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


The dollar plunged to record lows against the euro and Swiss franc and its weakest level since 1995 against the yen on Monday as fears over the state of the US financial system sent the currency tumbling.

Analysts said news that Bears Stearns, the US investment bank, had been bought by rival JP Morgan Chase for just $2 a share – far below Friday’s close above $30 a share – had sparked renewed fears over the extent of damage wrought by the credit crisis.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b2ebba02-f409-11dc-aaad-0000779fd2ac,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2Fb2ebba02-f409-11dc-aaad-0000779fd2ac.html%3Fnclick_check%3D1&_i_referer=http%3A%2F%2Fshakespearessister.blogspo t.com%2F&nclick_check=1


As feared, foreign bond holders have begun to exercise a collective vote of no confidence in the devaluation policies of the US government. The Federal Reserve faces a potential veto of its rescue measures.

Asian, Mid East and European investors stood aside at last week's auction of 10-year US Treasury notes. "It was a disaster," said Ray Attrill from 4castweb. "We may be close to the point where the uglier consequences of benign neglect towards the currency are revealed."

The share of foreign buyers ("indirect bidders") plummeted to 5.8pc, from an average 25pc over the last eight weeks. On the Richter Scale of unfolding dramas, this matches the death of Bear Stearns.

Rightly or wrongly, a view has taken hold that Washington is cynically debasing the coinage, hoping to export its day of reckoning through beggar-thy-neighbour policies.

It is not my view. I believe the forces of debt deflation now engulfing America - and soon half the world - are so powerful that nobody will be worrying about inflation a year hence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/03/17/ccview117.xml


happy st. patricks day!

:rockon:

shiva2999
March 17th, 2008, 1:01:35 PM
****ing Republicans are idiots.

To call the last 7 years a disaster is an insult to disasters.

nehemiah
March 17th, 2008, 1:07:39 PM
i really wish we could have let these guys raid social security.

:erm:

"free market"s rulez!1!!

anEinherjer
March 17th, 2008, 1:24:39 PM
Hmm, and you know how much my Roth IRA has suffered since this "meltdown"? Almost not at all.


Yep, free markets rule, but yet again, Bear Stearns, the FED, all this crap... has as much to do with free markets as your job does with socialism.

nehemiah
March 17th, 2008, 1:27:30 PM
Hmm, and you know how much my Roth IRA has suffered since this "meltdown"? Almost not at all.i guess it's not a recession then, eh?

chickie
March 17th, 2008, 2:06:37 PM
i guess it's not a recession then, eh?

recession - HA!

I tell you what. When people stop paying to find the love of their lives off eharmony and match.com, and stop paying to jerking off to phone sex operatiors, then and only then will I think this country is headed for a recession.

:)

Cornellian
March 17th, 2008, 2:29:58 PM
I tell you what. When people stop paying to find the love of their lives off eharmony and match.com, and stop paying to jerking off to phone sex operatiors, then and only then will I think this country is headed for a recession.

I think you were kidding, but on the off chance that you weren't:

That post is essentially saying "when recession-proof industries are in a recession, only then will I think the economy is in recession."

Cornellian
March 17th, 2008, 2:31:40 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Leading_Indicators

Ralonzo
March 17th, 2008, 2:43:24 PM
Bear Stearns, the FED, all this crap... has as much to do with free markets as your job does with socialism.

You do realize his job title is "Worker's Revolutionary Democratic Apparatchik", right?

nehemiah
March 17th, 2008, 2:50:25 PM
how does bear sterns have nothing to do w/ "free markets"??

it was only the deregulation of the lending market that let bear sterns corner the market on the subprime lending ****ingdebacle.

please explain.

thanks.

nehemiah
March 17th, 2008, 2:51:06 PM
You do realize his job title is "Worker's Revolutionary Democratic Apparatchik", right?i will, however, answer to "commie bastard".

micknaboz
March 18th, 2008, 12:00:11 PM
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JLB
March 18th, 2008, 12:11:33 PM
you were supposed to buy GOLD I told you 12 months ago.

:gold:

pmoon6
March 18th, 2008, 12:12:46 PM
i will, however, answer to "commie bastard".I think radical left wing pimp has a better ring to it.:D

anEinherjer
March 18th, 2008, 12:44:55 PM
how does bear sterns have nothing to do w/ "free markets"??

it was only the deregulation of the lending market that let bear sterns corner the market on the subprime lending ****ingdebacle.

please explain.

thanks.

"Deregulation" in this case is most certainly more accurately reflected by the phrase "regulated differently than before".

anEinherjer
March 18th, 2008, 1:02:18 PM
Some fantastic bits, blog of blog style:
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/125537.html

Sheldon Richman:

The subprime problem has its roots in pro-business government intervention; the policies at fault were designed to help the housing industry and the lenders who write mortgages. Now the other shoe is falling. Big lenders and investors handling securitized mortgages who are in over their heads will get their promised bailout under the "too big to fail" doctrine. And the rescue will set the table for the next round of bad business decisions and the next bailout. It's called moral hazard.

What does this have to do with the free market? As Kevin Carson likes to say, if this is the free market, then I'm against it. Of course, it is not the free market. The free market is a profit and loss system void of privilege. When businesses fail, they are supposed to actually fail, not turn to the taxpayers.

Jay Han****:

Market purists gasped when the British government nationalized mortgage lender Northern Rock last month. But how would you describe tonight's Bear Stearns bailout? It wears the costume of a market transaction. JP Morgan is "buying" Bear for $2 a share. But the Federal Reserve is taking the unprecedented step of seizing control of Bear's investment portfolio. And it is giving JP Morgan Chase a $30 billion loan to take Bear over. So the Fed is simultaneously financing the deal and managing the workout. Why not end the charade and hand Ben Bernanke the keys?