Democrats, The Real Racists and Misogynists

[Merc]

I read this article linked from Drudge and what struck me is nowhere in it does the author discuss policies. Nothing. It is all race and gender.

Something happened to the feel-good, way-cool Democratic presidential contest in the months since a woman and a black man began their path-breaking race for the White House.

Excerpt from CALVIN WOODWARD story here http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080315/D8VE0OL80.html

By the millions, black voters voted for the black candidate and women voted for the woman. White men seemed torn, by the millions.

Sen. Barack Obama has broken historic barriers, especially among the young, as the first black candidate with a serious chance at the presidency. Voters who might ordinarily balk at a female president have backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in her pioneering effort.

Those gains have not been enough to erase divisions by race, a task perhaps beyond any mortal and any one election, nor lesser ones between the sexes.

The right is accused of every sin under the sun but the left seems to be the ones hung up on race and gender. Do they accuse us of this because they are feeling guilty?

How about discussing their abilities and qualifications? Not a word on that. The left has finally opened the kimono and it is an ugly site. Race baiting, misogyny, dirty tactics beyond belief. As the old saying goes "We have scene the enemy and they is us."

The best part of this is that the tactics the left have used for years against the spineless right are now being used in-house. How does it feel guys. Not fun huh.

[CoachC.]

Oh boy. This thread will get very interesting. I'm buying a ticket and pulling up a seat.

:popcorn:

What's the Over/Under on # of pages?

[twosheds]

I'm completely open about being a racist. White people are useless scum.

Exhibit A: this message board. :D

[FamousAmos]

the democrats are fond of using the, "but you (republicans) did it first!" argument.

they are very good at deflecting the blame!

[C Darwin]

Dems are nationalist socialists with a guest worker program.

Vote third party.

[notacon]

I read this article linked from Drudge and what struck me is nowhere in it does the author discuss policies. Nothing. It is all race and gender.

Something happened to the feel-good, way-cool Democratic presidential contest in the months since a woman and a black man began their path-breaking race for the White House.

Excerpt from CALVIN WOODWARD story here http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080315/D8VE0OL80.html

By the millions, black voters voted for the black candidate and women voted for the woman. White men seemed torn, by the millions.

Sen. Barack Obama has broken historic barriers, especially among the young, as the first black candidate with a serious chance at the presidency. Voters who might ordinarily balk at a female president have backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in her pioneering effort.

Those gains have not been enough to erase divisions by race, a task perhaps beyond any mortal and any one election, nor lesser ones between the sexes.

The right is accused of every sin under the sun but the left seems to be the ones hung up on race and gender. Do they accuse us of this because they are feeling guilty?

How about discussing their abilities and qualifications? Not a word on that. The left has finally opened the kimono and it is an ugly site. Race baiting, misogyny, dirty tactics beyond belief. As the old saying goes "We have scene the enemy and they is us."

The best part of this is that the tactics the left have used for years against the spineless right are now being used in-house. How does it feel guys. Not fun huh.

HUH?!?!?!

Sorry Coach, this thread is just plain stupid...for a lot a reasons....but I will concentrate one just one...the article presented does not support the false premise the poster lays down.

At all.

How does an article, cited from a right wing source, Drudge, written in his favorite right leaning publication, My Way News, that does not even support what Merc is saying somehow bolster an argument coming from a right winger (Merc)?!?!?

It doesn't.

Did Merc even read the article?!?!? Is he really trying to base his premise that since an article does not cover the issues...like THAT is something unusual...that it somehow shows that Democrats are "racists"...as opposed to Republicans?!?!?

Maybe Merc missed this passage from the very article he presented...

"A significant minority of voters in Democratic contests have considered the race or sex of the candidates important - about one in five in each case. That's according to surveys of voters in about two dozen states across the country on and since Super Tuesday."

Listen...of course race has been injected into this race. The reason is that Hillary is losing, and she can't take her beating like a man. Her ONLY hope is to turn to the divisive Rovian GOP race card playbook that has been used since 1968.

Give it up right wingers. The GOP is the party of racists until they stop trying to appeal to racists.

This is the MAJOR reason I have completely rejected Hillary. She is acting like a Republican and needs to realize that her race based bullshit is NOT going to help her win the Democratic nomination but WILL help the GOP beat Obama in the fall.

When journalists actually start writing about the issues and a process piece like this is the exception, then using the lack of mention of the issues might mean something.

All this thread is illustrating is the failure of logic of a right wing poster in his absurd reach for "proof" of a premise that is equally as absurd.

[notacon]

Dems are nationalist socialists with a guest worker program.

Vote third party.

Another dope.

Do you know what the word "socialist" means??

I doubt it. Look it up and use your head.

[pmoon6]

I know alot of Democrats that are somewhat racist, but the fact of the matter is the KKK and the Neonazi's are right wing Republicans.

[FamousAmos]

Notacon, I think Merc is just trying to point out that democrats aren't much different from republicans.

[FamousAmos]

I mean, for example,
both parties use empty rhetoric to appeal to their supporters' emotions:

Bush used the nationalistic rally cry to appeal to his supporter's emotions, while Obama now is using his "change" platform to appeal to his supporters' long standing angst and frustration over what has become America since Bush became president.

[Merc]

HUH?!?!?!

Sorry Coach, this thread is just plain stupid...for a lot a reasons....but I will concentrate one just one...the article presented does not support the false premise the poster lays down.

At all.

How does an article, cited from a right wing source, Drudge, written in his favorite right leaning publication, My Way News, that does not even support what Merc is saying somehow bolster an argument coming from a right winger (Merc)?!?!?

It doesn't.

Did Merc even read the article?!?!? Is he really trying to base his premise that since an article does not cover the issues...like THAT is something unusual...that it somehow shows that Democrats are "racists"...as opposed to Republicans?!?!?

Maybe Merc missed this passage from the very article he presented...

"A significant minority of voters in Democratic contests have considered the race or sex of the candidates important - about one in five in each case. That's according to surveys of voters in about two dozen states across the country on and since Super Tuesday."

Listen...of course race has been injected into this race. The reason is that Hillary is losing, and she can't take her beating like a man. Her ONLY hope is to turn to the divisive Rovian GOP race card playbook that has been used since 1968.

Give it up right wingers. The GOP is the party of racists until they stop trying to appeal to racists.

This is the MAJOR reason I have completely rejected Hillary. She is acting like a Republican and needs to realize that her race based bullshit is NOT going to help her win the Democratic nomination but WILL help the GOP beat Obama in the fall.

When journalists actually start writing about the issues and a process piece like this is the exception, then using the lack of mention of the issues might mean something.

All this thread is illustrating is the failure of logic of a right wing poster in his absurd reach for "proof" of a premise that is equally as absurd.

Highlighted part: LMAO. I KNEW nottie would say something like this. Its the republicans fault. No wait, i is Rove's fault! LMFAO.

Here is why the real democrats are shining through. Barak and Hillary differ vey lite in policy. They're both socialists, plain and simple. With this perfect storm of two socialists, a woman a black man, both competing for president and no republicans to blame since this is an in-house thing, we get to see the democrats finally do some soul searching. Damn it is ugly.

Nottie, soul searching is good for you. It shows the real you and sometimes what we see is not so pretty but if you learn form it you grow, if you blame Carl Rove you don't. So grow my friend and see the seamier side of your nightmare party of blame others and slide further into craziness.

[Merc]

I know alot of Democrats that are somewhat racist, but the fact of the matter is the KKK and the Neonazi's are right wing Republicans.

KKK hates catholics as well and there are a lot of catholic republicans. neonazis are just plain F'ed up and they hate everyone. But why bring upo two, minute splinter groups that are so wacked out hey represent nothing? We are talking about your party here, not the republican. Do you like the antics of your pary so far in this primary?

Hillary gave Ferraro her marching orders. Go out and attack Obama based on race. Ferraro is no racist but she took one for the ladies and stirred the pot.

[C Darwin]

Another dope.

Do you know what the word "socialist" means??

I doubt it. Look it up and use your head.
"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."
Hillary Clinton, It Takes a Village
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/dudeinanigloo/YouFail.jpg

[pmoon6]

KKK hates catholics as well and there are a lot of catholic republicans. neonazis are just plain F'ed up and they hate everyone. But why bring upo two, minute splinter groups that are so wacked out hey represent nothing? We are talking about your party here, not the republican. Do you like the antics of your pary so far in this primary?I am not a Democrat, I vote for the best candidate. I also sometimes protest vote when neither of the candidates are to my liking.

As far as how the Dems have acted in the primary, this is politics.

Politics is a dirty business.

[notacon]

"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."
Hillary Clinton, It Takes a Village
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/dudeinanigloo/YouFail.jpg

I ask you again...do you know what the word "socialist" means?

By your changing the subject answer and can only deduce...no.

[C Darwin]

I ask you again...do you know what the word "socialist" means?

By your changing the subject answer and can only deduce...no.

Socialism: a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state.

"The time has come for universal health care in America [...] I am absolutely determined that by the end of the first term of the next president, we should have universal health care in this country."

Universal health care, or universal healthcare, is health care coverage which is extended to all citizens, and sometimes permanent residents, of a governmental region. Universal health care programs vary widely in their structure and funding mechanisms, particularly the degree to which they are publicly funded. Typically, most health care costs are met by the population via compulsory health insurance or taxation, or a combination of both.

Universal health care systems require government involvement, typically in the forms of enacting legislation, mandates and regulation. In some cases, government involvement also includes directly managing the health care system, but many countries use mixed public-private systems to deliver universal health care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

Democrats are nationalist socialist with a guest worker program.

You fail AGAIN. Ouch!

[Gibby]

best poster in this thread is moon thus far.

[JLB]

I am not a Democrat, I vote for the best candidate. I also sometimes protest vote when neither of the candidates are to my liking.

As far as how the Dems have acted in the primary, this is politics.

Politics is a dirty business.

http://www.carolmoore.net/4secretary/Gadfly.gif

[Merc]

@ JLB
Best cartoon EVER! LMAO.

[SabreBill30]

LoL at the posts in this thread. The left wingers saying it's not valid but yet will post their left wing pubs saying the are the bible. Don't fret because everybody does it but it's just funny seeing it come out.

By the way, if people are voting just because of the color or type of person running instead of knowledge and/or experience, we are in trouble as a nation.

[K-Gun]

democratic women are Misogynists for voting for a woman, and democratic blacks are racist for voting for a black guy. otay

[Merc]

democratic women are Misogynists for voting for a woman, and democratic blacks are racist for voting for a black guy. otay

LMAO. What a conundrum. It's like watching a knife fight in a telephone booth, lot's of blood on the glass but hard to see what is really going on. Reverend Al is cranking the buses up now for the next 100,000 man, Million Man March to Colorado for the convention.

[JLB]

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1006/voteImage1.jpg

Here's a solution for the left. :D

[pmoon6]

http://www.carolmoore.net/4secretary/Gadfly.gifWas that a shot, JLB?

'Bout time you took your balls out of your wife's purse.:D

[K-Gun]

LMAO. What a conundrum. It's like watching a knife fight in a telephone booth. Reverend Al is cranking the buses up now for the next 100,000 man, Million Man March to Colorado for the convention.

I don't think you know what the words misogyny and racism mean.

[Merc]

I don't think you know what the words misogyny and racism mean.

Well I sure as hell don't know what you mean.

[K-Gun]

Well I sure as hell don't know what you mean.

that's not surprising, i usually write above a fifth grade level.

[JLB]

Was that a shot, JLB?

'Bout time you took your balls out of your wife's purse.:D


http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1006/voteImage1.jpg

Just trying to help the other side. :D

[pmoon6]

that's not surprising, i usually write above a fifth grade level.....and K-Gun hits a rocket into the left field bleachers.

[Merc]

that's not surprising, i usually write above a fifth grade level.

Ahh, that's the problem. Is that because you are still in the 5th grade and are proud of yourself or because the liberal education system has failed you too and breaking the 5th grade plateau is a huge accomplishment? If the former I apologize for picking on a minor, if the latter then you have only yourself to blame. Here is a hint, read your sentences out loud to yourself. If they sound stupid when you say them out loud, then they probably need to be rewritten.

[JLB]

....and K-Gun hits a rocket into the left field bleachers.

:joemama: caught by Joe Mama :guy:

[twosheds]

"The unfettered free market has been the most radically disruptive force in American life in the last generation."
Hillary Clinton, It Takes a Village
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g110/dudeinanigloo/YouFail.jpg

Exhibit B: Constantly referencing Nerd flicks like Star Wars. :D

[C Darwin]

Exhibit B: Constantly referencing Nerd flicks like Star Wars. :D
I'm cool with that. :glassesslip:

[uppy]

I know alot of Democrats that are somewhat racist, but the fact of the matter is the KKK and the Neonazi's are right wing Republicans.

What a dumbass post.

The KKK was founded by demo's the GOP was not
allowed.And I don't want to hear the old demo's
are the new GOP craptrap

[twosheds]

I'm cool with that. :glassesslip:

I bet LotR is next. ;)

[GilPerreault]

Dems are nationalist socialists with a guest worker program.

Vote third party.

White Dems are glad to keep Blacks in a lower class so they can keep 90% of their votes. They like and need those votes but when one runs for Pres., he doesn't belong or is "lucky to be who he is." White Dems will take those votes but spit on the Blacks who get them elected when they, the Blacks, try to have a say and a voice in the party.

[35Pete]

I read this article linked from Drudge and what struck me is nowhere in it does the author discuss policies. Nothing. It is all race and gender.

Something happened to the feel-good, way-cool Democratic presidential contest in the months since a woman and a black man began their path-breaking race for the White House.

Excerpt from CALVIN WOODWARD story here http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080315/D8VE0OL80.html

By the millions, black voters voted for the black candidate and women voted for the woman. White men seemed torn, by the millions.

Sen. Barack Obama has broken historic barriers, especially among the young, as the first black candidate with a serious chance at the presidency. Voters who might ordinarily balk at a female president have backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in her pioneering effort.

Those gains have not been enough to erase divisions by race, a task perhaps beyond any mortal and any one election, nor lesser ones between the sexes.

The right is accused of every sin under the sun but the left seems to be the ones hung up on race and gender. Do they accuse us of this because they are feeling guilty?

How about discussing their abilities and qualifications? Not a word on that. The left has finally opened the kimono and it is an ugly site. Race baiting, misogyny, dirty tactics beyond belief. As the old saying goes "We have scene the enemy and they is us."

The best part of this is that the tactics the left have used for years against the spineless right are now being used in-house. How does it feel guys. Not fun huh.

You still think that there is a rat's patute bit of difference between these two parties other than television rhetoric and feigned opposition that "just wasn't enough" to stop some law. Or when they decide nearly "unanimously" to study political opposition and it's relation to "domestic terrorism" that this is a "just and safe law" because it's "bi-partisan"?

Tell me. If they marched OVERTLY in lockstep would you believe them as independent?

Get out of the theatre Merc. Please. The actors behind the stage are laughing at you. They're amazed at how rank and file up to nearly high political level are so easily fooled.

[JLB]

http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/schools/dakota/mystery/mystery2006/catfight.jpg

let em fight it out.

it's fun just watching the parade of liars.

[pmoon6]

What a dumbass post.

The KKK was founded by demo's the GOP was not
allowed.And I don't want to hear the old demo's
are the new GOP craptrapWhat are they now, Uppy?

Liberals and registered Democrats?

[JLB]

http://lonestartimes.com/images/Bramanti/byrd_kkk.jpg

it's always been this guy and his buddies.

[uppy]

http://lonestartimes.com/images/Bramanti/byrd_kkk.jpg

it's always been this guy and his buddies.

Our friend poomie should ask him

[uppy]

What are they now, Uppy?

Liberals and registered Democrats?

I have no way of knowing I'm a Republican they

don't let my kind in.

[C Darwin]

You still think that there is a rat's patute bit of difference between these two parties other than television rhetoric and feigned opposition that "just wasn't enough" to stop some law.

Yes. There is a strong libertarian uprising in the republican party. There is descent amongst the right. These neo-cons are outright communists and are fooling millions with their self-labeling.

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[JLB]

a great man once said:

"If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain."

[C Darwin]

What are they now, Uppy?

Liberals and registered Democrats?
Most racists are libertarians. They want the freedom to be racist and most neo-cons don't oppose affirmative action or want to enforce illegal immigration.

[35Pete]

a great man once said:

"If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart. If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain."

Churchill? He was as ass hole.

Nice to know his alcoholism killed him. He deserved it.

[JLB]

http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1006/voteImage1.jpg

Just trying to help the other side. :D

Marv adamired him so I must disagree with your assumption.

[pmoon6]

Our friend poomie should ask himYou want to start some shit, I'm your man.

You can't get any more right wing than the Klan or the Neonazis, you moron.

Have you ever been around them?

Do you know any them?

I would doubt they have much of a rank and file in New England.

I have and they are a scary lot.

When Shiva says: "They right wants to kill the left and the left wants to rehabilitate the right", he is partially correct. These people want to kill the left along with Jews, blacks, Mexicans and anyone that they think stands in the way of a pure white America.

Fortunately, they are a small minority and would have trouble accomplishing their goals.

Those are their goals, none the less.

[JLB]

leave out the name calling guys.

[uppy]

You want to start some shit, I'm your man.

You can't get any more right wing than the Klan or the Neonazis, you moron.

Have you ever been around them?

Do you know any them?

I would doubt they have much of a rank and file in New England.

I have and they are a scary lot.

When Shiva says: "They right wants to kill the left and the left wants to rehabilitate the right", he is partially correct. These people want to kill the left along with Jews, blacks, Mexicans and anyone that they think stands in the way of a pure white America.

Fortunately, they are a small minority and would have trouble accomplishing their goals.

Those are their goals, none the less.

You can't get any more right wing than the Klan or the Neonazis, you moron.


I'm right wing and I'm not a racist most of my friends

are right wing and not racists.Like I said before that

was a dumb ass post.Any time you make a proposition

that lumbs a whole sector of the countrys citizens

into a fringe group shows a lack of logic and critical

thought.

[Merc]

I'm right wing and I'm not a racist most of my friends

are right wing and not racists.Like I said before that

was a dumb ass post.Any time you make a proposition

that lumbs a whole sector of the countrys citizens

into a fringe group shows a lack of logic and critical

thought.
Uppy-
When you have them dead to rights and they are beaten on the facts they always resort to name calling. Fascist, Nazi, bigot, KKK (neo-nazi is a new one but not surprising). It means you won the argument and they are trying to change the tenor of the conversation rather than admit they are wrong. Just ignore them at that point as the argument is over, you have won.

[35Pete]

I'm right wing and I'm not a racist most of my friends

are right wing and not racists.Like I said before that

was a dumb ass post.Any time you make a proposition

that lumbs a whole sector of the countrys citizens

into a fringe group shows a lack of logic and critical

thought.
You're too far to the right of right wing.

[ckg68]

Merc: Name-calling is not exclusive to the left.

The right is just as guilty of it,if not more so.

[C Darwin]

Pocahontas was a liberal. Her theory of permissive immigration as the route to peace was in sharp contrast to that of the braves in her tribe. They, too, favored peace, but the kind that flows from the separation of nations by an ocean of water. They wanted to defend their land by chasing the Europeans into the sea.

Pocahontas believed that men of good will from diverse nations could dwell in peace in the same land. Her vision of a pluralistic society required just one change in the nature of man: that he become indifferent to the survival of his own ethnic group.

The braves had a clearer insight into the nature of man, groups, and land. Borders between ethnic groups, enforced by military strength, determine access to the land. Tribes that successfully defend their borders survive into the future. Nations that practice the Pocahontas policy give their land over to aliens at the expense of their own families. They may experience an exhilarating rush of selfless moral superiority before they are displaced or absorbed.

One can imagine Pocahontas—if she had had our trendy vocabulary—calling the Braves “xenophobes,” “bigots,” and “racists.” The Braves, no doubt, would have called themselves “patriots.”

In this case the Pocahontas policy prevailed. It was followed by three centuries of ethnic violence. The violence finally ended, not because human nature changed, but because the few remaining Indians were pushed into remote regions and were effectively out of contact with the new occupying nation. To their credit, the Braves fought valiantly, but only after allowing the immigrants to get a foothold. By then it was too late.

Jared Taylor

[35Pete]

Uppy-
When you have them dead to rights and they are beaten on the facts they always resort to name calling. Fascist, Nazi, bigot, KKK (neo-nazi is a new one but not surprising). It means you won the argument and they are trying to change the tenor of the conversation rather than admit they are wrong. Just ignore them at that point as the argument is over, you have won.

Bull shit.

If I call someone a Nazi I guarantee you that I can provide powerful historical parallels to their behaviors and belief systems.

Uppy has the exact same attitude of the SA in 1938. He loves the fatherland, loves the military, believes that we have to attack weaker nations to be strong, has openly advocated a US empire, calls Iraq ours, we won it fair and square", says their oil belongs to us, has demonized muslims and arabs as to quote "savages", which conceptually is no different than demonizing sneaky jews as "rats", has never opposed any law that strengthens the police state. Always sides with authority, and shows little empathy for anyone.

The monicker is appropriate and this is one of the most hollow and intellectually void posts I've seen you make here.

[JLB]

amusing thread. :popcorn:

not a popcorn farts worth of truth my favorite kind. :D

[uppy]

Uppy-
When you have them dead to rights and they are beaten on the facts they always resort to name calling. Fascist, Nazi, bigot, KKK (neo-nazi is a new one but not surprising). It means you won the argument and they are trying to change the tenor of the conversation rather than admit they are wrong. Just ignore them at that point as the argument is over, you have won.


Thanks Merc and how I know about the name calling

LOL

The funny thing is Pete told me the same thing a few

years ago then he changed his flag and now has fallen

into the same tactics.

Come Home Pete !!!

[uppy]

Merc: Name-calling is not exclusive to the left.

The right is just as guilty of it,if not more so.

Carl,you admited that was not the case in this fourm

today.

Point of clarification please,are you talking about this

fourm ?

[uppy]

Bull shit.

If I call someone a Nazi I guarantee you that I can provide powerful historical parallels to their behaviors and belief systems.

Uppy has the exact same attitude of the SA in 1938. He loves the fatherland, loves the military, believes that we have to attack weaker nations to be strong, has openly advocated a US empire, calls Iraq ours, we won it fair and square", says their oil belongs to us, has demonized muslims and arabs as to quote "savages", which conceptually is no different than demonizing sneaky jews as "rats", has never opposed any law that strengthens the police state. Always sides with authority, and shows little empathy for anyone.

The monicker is appropriate and this is one of the most hollow and intellectually void posts I've seen you make here.

:rofl:


You fall into your own trap all the time

[JLB]

where's Rob when you need him?

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

I find myself wanting to give blacks the benefit of the doubt on many occasions when I probably wouldn't do the same for a white. I suppose many liberals probably share this fault.

Then there are times in which I find myself equating a crime a black commited with the race. That clearly isn't fair, but blacks do commit certain crimes at a much higher rate than others. I guess the difference here is that I understand there are certain factors at play that produce this reality. That's not an excuse.

I think we are all a little bit racist. The difference I notice is the hate the right injects. I think many of them really enjoy a system that places them on top of the heirarchy.

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

Pocahontas was a liberal. Her theory of permissive immigration as the route to peace was in sharp contrast to that of the braves in her tribe. They, too, favored peace, but the kind that flows from the separation of nations by an ocean of water. They wanted to defend their land by chasing the Europeans into the sea.



Jared Taylor

Man, this guy sounds an awful lot like the majority of Palestinians.

[C Darwin]

Man, this guy sounds an awful lot like the majority of Palestinians.
Indeed.

[uppy]

The difference I notice is the hate the right injects.

Interesting,the difference of opinion or morals is seen as hate these days.If one side

feels people should overcome aberrant temptations and go with normal life it could

be seen as hate.I can only speculate however I think illogical rhetoric such as "hate"

is fueling this inpass that we are now seeing between the camps.The left is the guilty

party IMO

[GilPerreault]

Merc: Name-calling is not exclusive to the left.

The right is just as guilty of it,if not more so.

Yeah but the right doesn't get 90% of the Black vote as the left does and then try to keep them down. Thank's for your vote now down boy!

[notacon]

Notacon, I think Merc is just trying to point out that democrats aren't much different from republicans.

If that was so then the title of his thread would read that way.

I know exactly what he means.

[notacon]

Highlighted part: LMAO. I KNEW nottie would say something like this. Its the republicans fault. No wait, i is Rove's fault! LMFAO.


Did you read what I wrote?

I am not "blaming" Republicans or Rove.

I am blaming Hillary for acting and using the rhetoric and demagoguery of Republicans and Rove.


Here is why the real democrats are shining through. Barak and Hillary differ vey lite in policy. They're both socialists, plain and simple. With this perfect storm of two socialists, a woman a black man, both competing for president and no republicans to blame since this is an in-house thing, we get to see the democrats finally do some soul searching. Damn it is ugly.


Besides brushing up on your reading comprehension, you need to hit the books on the meaning of "socialists". Hillary and Obama are nothing of the kind. It is so absurd to be laughable and can only be said by one who does not know the true meaning of that word.

I call it "Right wing radio" ignorance.


Nottie, soul searching is good for you. It shows the real you and sometimes what we see is not so pretty but if you learn form it you grow, if you blame Carl Rove you don't. So grow my friend and see the seamier side of your nightmare party of blame others and slide further into craziness.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As I already said. I don't blame Rove.

I am rejecting Hillary because she is acting like Rove tells his GOP idiots to act.

I am not in love with the Democrats. I embrace them because they come closest to my ideals and are NOT the GOP.

The GOP is the "nightmare" party and has been since Nixon invented the racist "Southern Strategy" and the bigoted southern racist Democrats started flocking to the GOP.

They greeting them with open arms.

The pendulum is swinging. Get ready for a prolonged regression of GOP power. It will stay that way until they drop their wacky racist ways.

[notacon]

Socialism: a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state.



Universal health care, or universal healthcare, is health care coverage which is extended to all citizens, and sometimes permanent residents, of a governmental region. Universal health care programs vary widely in their structure and funding mechanisms, particularly the degree to which they are publicly funded. Typically, most health care costs are met by the population via compulsory health insurance or taxation, or a combination of both.

Universal health care systems require government involvement, typically in the forms of enacting legislation, mandates and regulation. In some cases, government involvement also includes directly managing the health care system, but many countries use mixed public-private systems to deliver universal health care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

Democrats are nationalist socialist with a guest worker program.

You fail AGAIN. Ouch!

Oh please. You have GOT to be kidding?

The health care plans on the table do not involve ownership by the government.

You may want to construe the wide ranging definition, that I am sure you never looked at until I challenged you...using government help to pay insurance companies...and to regulate those insurance companies is not even close to socialism.

What you are trying is the right wing talk radio routine that does not hold water.

YOU fail again.

[notacon]

White Dems are glad to keep Blacks in a lower class so they can keep 90% of their votes. They like and need those votes but when one runs for Pres., he doesn't belong or is "lucky to be who he is." White Dems will take those votes but spit on the Blacks who get them elected when they, the Blacks, try to have a say and a voice in the party.

:rofl: :rofl:

"Keep blacks in a lower class"?!?!?!

:rofl: :rofl:

Just how do the Dems "keep" people in the lower class?!?!?!

[C Darwin]

Just how do the Dems "keep" people in the lower class?!?!?!

Superdelegates.

[uppy]

Superdelegates.

Well done....Game set match

[GilPerreault]

:rofl: :rofl:

"Keep blacks in a lower class"?!?!?!

:rofl: :rofl:

Just how do the Dems "keep" people in the lower class?!?!?!

Just ask me for my name when you cite this analysis of a part of the book Race Matters by Cornel West.

I found this weeks reading in Race Matters by Cornel West to be enlightening, heart felt, passionate and filled with wisdom. I also sensed it to be politically one sided which a writer has every right and indeed an obligation to present when that side of the argument is not being read or heard.
I would like to start out and say that this book and others like it that discuss the history of blacks in America remind me of how whites have degraded and devalued a group of people solely because of the color of their skin and their different culture. It is embarrassing to be a white American when reading such writings in that all of us have benefited at the expense of our black brethren. It is difficult to read about what the writer refers to as nihilism something Mr. West says “pervades black communities.” Nihilism is the “experience of coping with a life of horrifying meaninglessness, hopelessness, and lovelesness.” It must be concluded that we, white Americans, are the base cause of this nihilism and it is sickening to know that this is the case. To hear the opinion of such a well-respected voice prophesying the fact that blacks must live with these outlooks and beliefs on a daily basis brings racism home. I don’t tend to agree with the writer in his assertion that black nihilism is increasing because of our capitalistic society. I know that racism was much more prevalent prior to the civil rights movement of the nineteen sixty’s and that discrimination and racism have lessoned a bit due to integration and the evolution of our overall culture. The capitalistic society that America is based upon is what allows for people, be they black, white, red, yellow, female, or male to make a living and support their families. Our capitalistic society, through taxes paid, allow us to educate our children, build our roads, and provide social services. I recognize that blacks have it harder then whites and this is something that should be fully recognized. I recognize that blacks tend to live in urban areas that have less wealth. I believe it is the distribution of this wealth that needs to be addressed and attacked. People in white suburbia have to realize that if our urban areas, where blacks predominantly live, fall then it won’t be long before their comfortable way of life will fall as well. There are still many overt and covert racist but there are no longer white and black rest rooms, blacks thankfully don’t have to move to the back of the bus and many people who grew up in the last two generations or so have grown up without seeing such an openly discriminatory culture. I do agree with the writer that there may be a lack of leadership among the black people and this may be a cause of black nihilism. I have thought about the leadership and political tendencies of the black people before reading the chapters in this book and have questioned how blacks are expected to support white democrat, liberals in elections and not see a benefit in their economic and social standings. I have questioned why the two party system is not recognized as a strength and that blacks who do support conservative beliefs are almost always seen as Uncle Toms. Clarence Thomas in this book being one in particular. I thought it was a strong statement by the author to say that cultural conservatism in white America manifests itself in “chronic racism, sexism, and homophobia,” and that black conservatism takes the form of “inchoate xenophobia, systematic sexism, and homophobia.” The “channeling of rage” that all “conservatisms rooted in a quest for order…fans and fuels the channeling of rage toward the most vulnerable and degraded members of the community.” These strong anti-conservative beliefs may play a role in the weak black leadership. Not being open to different beliefs that independents and conservatives might offer may hinder our society as a whole. Differing beliefs that offer more then just social service handouts to the poor and destitute do not have to be viewed as racist. Since the New Deal in the 1940’s, handouts have been the norm and blacks, especially younger blacks are living with less hope, meaning and love then ever before. I think it is time that all people, be them black, white, or brown who suffer due to being poor and in the bottom economic class of our society bite the hand that has fed them and demand more. They must demand better education, wider distribution of wealth, and fewer handouts that have done nothing but helped to keep them down. They must demand better and more valuable job training, something we, as adult educators can have a role in. I am a Democrat but I see the weaknesses and strengths of both parties, and I have also seen that the Democratic Party has assumed the support of the black people for generations and have not given to them what they have promised.
I enjoyed reading this book and agree with the writer in many respects, but when it comes to the two party system in America, Cornel West and I would have an interesting and passionate debate regarding some of our beliefs and contentions.

[Merc]

The GOP is the "nightmare" party and has been since Nixon invented the racist "Southern Strategy" and the bigoted southern racist Democrats started flocking to the GOP.

They greeting them with open arms.

The pendulum is swinging. Get ready for a prolonged regression of GOP power. It will stay that way until they drop their wacky racist ways.

The right is racist nottie? I think we can both agree that Planned parenthood is the left's enforcement arm on the abortion issue. Well, try this one on for size bucko:

Response to caller 'a serious mistake,' says Planned Parenthood of Idaho
They also criticized The Advocate for trying to discredit employees with recorded phone calls

BY SANDRA FORESTER - sforester@idahostatesman.com
Edition Date: 02/28/08

Planned Parenthood of Idaho officials apologized Wednesday for what they called an employee's "serious mistake" in encouraging a donation aimed at aborting black babies.

They also criticized The Advocate, a right-to-life student magazine at the University of California-Los Angeles, for trying to discredit Planned Parenthood employees in seven states in a series of tape-recorded phone calls last summer.

The call to Idaho came in July to Autumn Kersey, vice president of development and marketing for Planned Parenthood of Idaho.

On the recording provided by The Advocate, an actor portraying a donor said he wanted his money used to eliminate black unborn children because "the less black kids out there the better."

Kersey laughed nervously and said: "Understandable, understandable. ... Excuse my hesitation, this is the first time I've had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I'm excited and want to make sure I don't leave anything out."

On Tuesday, The Advocate released transcripts and audio recordings of this phone call and another to fundraising representatives in Ohio.

Rest of article here http://tinyurl.com/yqx4zm

Egads!!!! If that ain't racism, nottie, I don't know what is. They'll be releasing transcripts from several other states soon. Not good for the dems mate.

[notacon]

Just ask me for my name when you cite this analysis of a part of the book Race Matters by Cornel West.

I found this weeks reading in Race Matters by Cornel West to be enlightening, heart felt, passionate and filled with wisdom. I also sensed it to be politically one sided which a writer has every right and indeed an obligation to present when that side of the argument is not being read or heard.
I would like to start out and say that this book and others like it that discuss the history of blacks in America remind me of how whites have degraded and devalued a group of people solely because of the color of their skin and their different culture. It is embarrassing to be a white American when reading such writings in that all of us have benefited at the expense of our black brethren. It is difficult to read about what the writer refers to as nihilism something Mr. West says “pervades black communities.” Nihilism is the “experience of coping with a life of horrifying meaninglessness, hopelessness, and lovelesness.” It must be concluded that we, white Americans, are the base cause of this nihilism and it is sickening to know that this is the case. To hear the opinion of such a well-respected voice prophesying the fact that blacks must live with these outlooks and beliefs on a daily basis brings racism home. I don’t tend to agree with the writer in his assertion that black nihilism is increasing because of our capitalistic society. I know that racism was much more prevalent prior to the civil rights movement of the nineteen sixty’s and that discrimination and racism have lessoned a bit due to integration and the evolution of our overall culture. The capitalistic society that America is based upon is what allows for people, be they black, white, red, yellow, female, or male to make a living and support their families. Our capitalistic society, through taxes paid, allow us to educate our children, build our roads, and provide social services. I recognize that blacks have it harder then whites and this is something that should be fully recognized. I recognize that blacks tend to live in urban areas that have less wealth. I believe it is the distribution of this wealth that needs to be addressed and attacked. People in white suburbia have to realize that if our urban areas, where blacks predominantly live, fall then it won’t be long before their comfortable way of life will fall as well. There are still many overt and covert racist but there are no longer white and black rest rooms, blacks thankfully don’t have to move to the back of the bus and many people who grew up in the last two generations or so have grown up without seeing such an openly discriminatory culture. I do agree with the writer that there may be a lack of leadership among the black people and this may be a cause of black nihilism. I have thought about the leadership and political tendencies of the black people before reading the chapters in this book and have questioned how blacks are expected to support white democrat, liberals in elections and not see a benefit in their economic and social standings. I have questioned why the two party system is not recognized as a strength and that blacks who do support conservative beliefs are almost always seen as Uncle Toms. Clarence Thomas in this book being one in particular. I thought it was a strong statement by the author to say that cultural conservatism in white America manifests itself in “chronic racism, sexism, and homophobia,” and that black conservatism takes the form of “inchoate xenophobia, systematic sexism, and homophobia.” The “channeling of rage” that all “conservatisms rooted in a quest for order…fans and fuels the channeling of rage toward the most vulnerable and degraded members of the community.” These strong anti-conservative beliefs may play a role in the weak black leadership. Not being open to different beliefs that independents and conservatives might offer may hinder our society as a whole. Differing beliefs that offer more then just social service handouts to the poor and destitute do not have to be viewed as racist. Since the New Deal in the 1940’s, handouts have been the norm and blacks, especially younger blacks are living with less hope, meaning and love then ever before. I think it is time that all people, be them black, white, or brown who suffer due to being poor and in the bottom economic class of our society bite the hand that has fed them and demand more. They must demand better education, wider distribution of wealth, and fewer handouts that have done nothing but helped to keep them down. They must demand better and more valuable job training, something we, as adult educators can have a role in. I am a Democrat but I see the weaknesses and strengths of both parties, and I have also seen that the Democratic Party has assumed the support of the black people for generations and have not given to them what they have promised.
I enjoyed reading this book and agree with the writer in many respects, but when it comes to the two party system in America, Cornel West and I would have an interesting and passionate debate regarding some of our beliefs and contentions.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Cornel West's observations I do not agree with.

BTW...it does not address what you wrote. That Dems "keep blacks in lower class so they can keep 90% of their votes".

It is nonsensical.

[chickie]

Ok - I have read through this as best as I can - JLB thanks for comic relief when needed.

first of all I think that all of you need to keep in mind that your average American gets their political info from the daily newspaper, 6pm news, and am radio stations to the dj that sides more with their political party and beliefs.

We are going to have a lot of blacks voting for Obama just because he is black, and the same for the woman voting for Hillary.

I think it is sad that the Liberals have to keep attacking each other on the race issue. This is where NEITHER of them are ready to be president. They can't set their differences to the side for the sake of having a fair fight.

As I have said in another thread - I am a woman - I do my research on the canidates and I follow what I can on the politic issues. I don't want to hear either one of them talk about about what obsticles their ancestors had to overcome for them to be where they are today.

Hillary would never get my vote for the simple fact that she has clear stance on her beliefs for the good of this country.

Obama would never get my vote because I am not sure what he stands for.

All I know about these two canidates right now is they are at war with each other. What does that say for the Liberal Party? I am sick of hearing them bicker and try to gain sympathy votes, and at this point I hope they continue this blood-bath because it is only helping McCain. This is how insane the Liberals are.

So as far a the race card goes - I have to give it to the Liberals because they are the only ones pulling the card at this time.

[notacon]

The right is racist nottie? I think we can both agree that Planned parenthood is the left's enforcement arm on the abortion issue. Well, try this one on for size bucko:

Response to caller 'a serious mistake,' says Planned Parenthood of Idaho
They also criticized The Advocate for trying to discredit employees with recorded phone calls

BY SANDRA FORESTER - sforester@idahostatesman.com
Edition Date: 02/28/08

Planned Parenthood of Idaho officials apologized Wednesday for what they called an employee's "serious mistake" in encouraging a donation aimed at aborting black babies.

They also criticized The Advocate, a right-to-life student magazine at the University of California-Los Angeles, for trying to discredit Planned Parenthood employees in seven states in a series of tape-recorded phone calls last summer.

The call to Idaho came in July to Autumn Kersey, vice president of development and marketing for Planned Parenthood of Idaho.

On the recording provided by The Advocate, an actor portraying a donor said he wanted his money used to eliminate black unborn children because "the less black kids out there the better."

Kersey laughed nervously and said: "Understandable, understandable. ... Excuse my hesitation, this is the first time I've had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I'm excited and want to make sure I don't leave anything out."

On Tuesday, The Advocate released transcripts and audio recordings of this phone call and another to fundraising representatives in Ohio.

Rest of article here http://tinyurl.com/yqx4zm

Egads!!!! If that ain't racism, nottie, I don't know what is. They'll be releasing transcripts from several other states soon. Not good for the dems mate.

You really DO have a reading comprehension problem, don't you? Or, is it purposeful misrepresentation?

Where did I say that the "right is racist"?!?!?!

I didn't.

I said that the GOP purposely, and as a conscience election strategy, targeted racist Southerns. The (mainly) Democratic racists in the '60's left that party en mass after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed.

This is a fact.

The GOP has continued targeting racists ever since.

This is a fact.

To somehow try to identify a whole political philosophy...as you describe as the "left" with ONE PERSON'S racist attitude is absurd and nonsensical.

To ignore a conscience and deliberate strategy to attract racists, by the MILLIONS, by many, many GOP politicians for DECADES is absurd and nonsensical.

To compare the two is just plain stupid.

[K-Gun]

Ahh, that's the problem. Is that because you are still in the 5th grade and are proud of yourself or because the liberal education system has failed you too and breaking the 5th grade plateau is a huge accomplishment? If the former I apologize for picking on a minor, if the latter then you have only yourself to blame. Here is a hint, read your sentences out loud to yourself. If they sound stupid when you say them out loud, then they probably need to be rewritten.

I see I have to dumb it down for you.

No woman has ever been President.

Some women want a woman pres after 200+ years of rule by white men. That is not misogyny. Misogyny means hating women.

Here' the other part, try to keep up.

No black person has ever been President. Many black people want a black pres after 200+ years of rule by white men. That is not racism. Racism is hating another race.

[TigerJ]

So CoachC. says he thinks the thread is going to get interesting and notacon's immediate response is to say, "It's just plain stupid. . ." I thought notacon's post was pretty amusing actually. He points out that the article doesn't make the point that the Drudge Report and Merc seem to think it makes. Then notacon makes the same point for us.

"Listen...of course race has been injected into this race. The reason is that Hillary is losing, and she can't take her beating like a man. Her ONLY hope is to turn to the divisive Rovian GOP race card playbook that has been used since 1968."

So Hillary Clinton is acting like a Republican because she has no recourse if she wants to win? Well, I don't know about the charge that Republicans always act this way and the implication that Democrats ordinarily don't, but for the moment let's assume it is true. The pertinent point is that notacon says Hillary is acting this way, racist. Moreover, others on her campaign staff have acted this way (Geraldine Ferraro, before she quit). The problem is notacon cannot escape the fact that Hillary is a Democrat. Moreover, she has wide support among the superdelegates in the Democratic party. Superdelegates are the insiders, the movers and shakers of the Democratic party, and many support a woman who has been acting the part of a racist, by notacon's own admission. "But it's only as a last resort," notacon tells us, not necessarily to defend her. Generally speaking, all candidates, Republican and Democrat, like to run nice clean positive campaigns, until they feel threatened. If you look at the campaign ads of virtually anyone who's leading 3-1 in the polls, and you'll be hard pressed to find a negative ad anywhere. It is no defense of Hillary to say Hillary is only racist as a last resort. If it's in her character to be racist ever, then she is racist pure and simple. If she is racist, then those who support her can be held guilty by association to the same extent that supporters of any Republican who displays racist tendencies can be accused of racism. Hillary and her supporters are not some fringe of the Democratic Party. As much or more than Barrack Obama, they are the heart and soul of the the Democratic party.

Now, about me. I describe myself as a moderate Republican, even though Shiva tells us there's no such thing. As such, I'm having trouble with John McCain's position supporting an open ended US presence in Iraq. For that reason, I'm leaning toward voting for Barack Obama in the general election. I like the fact that even though he has a very liberal voting record in the senate, he has a reputation as something of a pragmatist who will communicate across the political aisle and with groups outside his usual constituency (businessmen) to arrive at practical solutions. I like the fact that his health plan does not criminalize persons who for whatever reason chose not to enroll in a health insurance plan, as Hillary's plan does.

[35Pete]

Ok - I have read through this as best as I can - JLB thanks for comic relief when needed.

first of all I think that all of you need to keep in mind that your average American gets their political info from the daily newspaper, 6pm news, and am radio stations to the dj that sides more with their political party and beliefs.

We are going to have a lot of blacks voting for Obama just because he is black, and the same for the woman voting for Hillary.

I think it is sad that the Liberals have to keep attacking each other on the race issue. This is where NEITHER of them are ready to be president. They can't set their differences to the side for the sake of having a fair fight.

As I have said in another thread - I am a woman - I do my research on the canidates and I follow what I can on the politic issues. I don't want to hear either one of them talk about about what obsticles their ancestors had to overcome for them to be where they are today.

Hillary would never get my vote for the simple fact that she has clear stance on her beliefs for the good of this country.

Obama would never get my vote because I am not sure what he stands for.

All I know about these two canidates right now is they are at war with each other. What does that say for the Liberal Party? I am sick of hearing them bicker and try to gain sympathy votes, and at this point I hope they continue this blood-bath because it is only helping McCain. This is how insane the Liberals are.

So as far a the race card goes - I have to give it to the Liberals because they are the only ones pulling the card at this time.

Let's break each party in half and add two or three more. What do you think?

Republicans are crooks. Democrats are crooks. Well, many, if not most of them are.

Could you imagine the checks and balances if we had a multi-party system like Europe?

Two parties is only one more choice than none. You do realize that, right?

[GilPerreault]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Cornel West's observations I do not agree with.

BTW...it does not address what you wrote. That Dems "keep blacks in lower class so they can keep 90% of their votes".

It is nonsensical.

If Dems fight harder to improve urban education, public assistance (handouts) for the poor (many blacks) then there will be more who leave the Democratic party and become Republicans. If they attain more assets to protect then more may, most likely will, vote for Republicans or register as Republicans or Independents. Why do almost 90% of the blacks vote for Dems? Why are Republicans mainly white? Who has more assets? Who has helped to make sure that blacks have fewer assets? Sure Republicans have but Dems have as well. People who gain more wealth tend to go Conservative, Republican more than Democrats. Dems had and have no problem keeping blacks where they are to insure they remain part of THEIR party and they maintain their support. What have Dems done since the 1940s for blacks? It took a Republican Congress and Senate to approve Welfare Reform. Dems were happy giving handouts with no job training or education improvement. That is why I believe blacks should demand more for all the support they give to Dems. As a liberal you won't see the sense. Supporting blacks at the level they support the Democratic party has never forced the white dems hands to provide more to their black constituants. I don't mean handouts either. Handouts should be temporary, not generational.

[chickie]

Two parties is only one more choice than none. You do realize that, right?

I totally get that - and you are 100% right.

I know I am sick of hearing about the fighting going on between Obama and Hillary. Tired of it - I would LOVE to hear more from them other then having to get themsleves out of trouble for either what they said about the other person.

And the only that people that keep racism strong in America are the media, and the ones who argue it.

I don't care who is black, who is a woman and who is a man - what I want to hear their stance. I don't want to hear unrealistic BS, and ya know what i am going to be waiting a long time to hear that.

[Merc]

I see I have to dumb it down for you.

No woman has ever been President.

Some women want a woman pres after 200+ years of rule by white men. That is not misogyny. Misogyny means hating women.

Here' the other part, try to keep up.

No black person has ever been President. Many black people want a black pres after 200+ years of rule by white men. That is not racism. Racism is hating another race.

K-Gun, you are stating the obvious. That is a dead issue. We all know that and have known that since Obama hit the primaries. This whoooole thread is about the liberals race baiting and woman hating to get their socialist of choice in. It is about the demo in-fighting, using the tools they wrongfully accuse the right of using, against each other. Try and keep up K-Gun as I am sick of wasting my time explaining things to you.

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

Indeed.

So can I take this as an endorsement of the Palestinian plight?

[chickie]

K-Gun, you are stating the obvious. That is a dead issue. We all know that and have known that since Obama hit the primaries. This whoooole thread is about the liberals race baiting and woman hating to get their socialist of choice in. It is about the demo in-fighting, using the tools they wrongfully accuse the right of using, against each other. Try and keep up K-Gun as I am sick of wasting my time explaining things to you.


and that is what I am tired of - cut out the bullshit and get down to a damn good FAIR - HONEST debate..

Is it that hard to do?

[K-Gun]

K-Gun, you are stating the obvious. That is a dead issue. We all know that and have known that since Obama hit the primaries. This whoooole thread is about the liberals race baiting and woman hating to get their socialist of choice in. It is about the demo in-fighting, using the tools they wrongfully accuse the right of using, against each other. Try and keep up K-Gun as I am sick of wasting my time explaining things to you.

Not only do you not know what racism and misogyny are, but you don't know what socialism is either.

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

And the only that people that keep racism strong in America are the media, and the ones who argue it.



You don't get out much, do you pussycat? Trust me, this country is pretty divided on race all by itself.

[chickie]

You don't get out much, do you pussycat? Trust me, this country is pretty divided on race all by itself.

exactly because of comments like this.

[uppy]

You don't get out much, do you pussycat? Trust me, this country is pretty divided on race all by itself.



Well hello there my sultry, seductive little firefly SweetLee you must be the the real thing.

[shiva2999]

Not only do you not know what racism and misogyny are, but you don't know what socialism is either.

Merc doesn't need to "know" stuff.

He only needs to know his core values and his gut feelings.

BTW Merc, I'm still waiting to hear who the US is protecting Canada from.

[chickie]

Merc doesn't need to "know" stuff.

He only needs to know his core values and his gut feelings.

BTW Merc, I'm still waiting to hear who the US is protecting Canada from.

and what is wrong with core values and gut feelings?

[shiva2999]

and what is wrong with core values and gut feelings?

They're code words for ignorance and bigotry.

[shiva2999]

Now, about me. I describe myself as a moderate Republican, even though Shiva tells us there's no such thing.

A moderate Republican is like a cannibal with a conscience.

Killing and eating someone is over the line but cutting little pieces off and munching on those is a-ok!

[chickie]

They're code words for ignorance and bigotry.

oh and btw the US protected England and Canada in 2 world wars, and we are still protecting you today.

Now say thank you.

[TigerJ]

Said Hillary Clinton tearfully, "For me, it's not just politics. It's personal." Forgive me if I don't have the quote word for word. I think I've got the gist of it correct.

[shiva2999]

oh and btw the US protected England and Canada in 2 world wars, and we are still protecting you today.

Now say thank you.

It's a good thing you've got a great ass because your brain isn't much to write home about.

[chickie]

It's a good thing you've got a great ass because your brain isn't much to write home about.

And this is a perfect example on how the left attacks with insults. Thank you Shiva for a fine example...

and btw how do you know I have a great ass?

[shiva2999]

And this is a perfect example on how the left attacks with insults. Thank you Shiva for a fine example...

and btw how do you know I have a great ass?

This thread is a perfect example of the stupid and evil right-wing demographic.

Ass holes and morons.

As for your behind, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for your sake.

[chickie]

This thread is a perfect example of the stupid and evil right-wing demographic.

Ass holes and morons.

As for your behind, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for your sake.

ah ok - I see so you decided to join in for the tit for tat...

Good night Shiva! :)

[Merc]

Shiva, do you truly believe that a country with no military has nothing to fear in the world? Let's just pretend that the US and Canada broke off relations tomorrow and became enemies. What would happen to Canada's overseas assets? Hmmmm. Well lets see, Canada can't do anything about that so, gone. Exports to the US are ended so what happens to that socialist economy of yours. Gone too. Jobs? Gone.

I guess you could align with Russia or China as they could support you but they aren't real nice once you let them in your house. Nope, not nice at all. They probably wouldn't let you post on here any longer. You wouldn't have much choice, though, as the big brother down south is gone.

It costs a LOT of money to run a socialist state and still have some semblance of a first world nation and we pay the price for that. After all, you don't have to maintain a military. Protecting yourself and your economic interests is expensive and Canadians know that, which is why they quit doing so. Why bother with the US so close. I think your whole military is about as big as our Coast Guard now.

What choice do we have? Can't have a full blown Communist state like Venezuela right on the border so we are held hostage and you guys take advantage of it. I would too, why not. It is kind of stupid to spend money on a military when the US is right there and needs some semblance of sanity to the north.

Just, please, don't tell us how to run our business. Without us stabilizing things, you'd be living the life of a Venezuelan now. Don't believe it, then try and imagine life with no US to the south protecting you, your country and your assets as well as your way of life.

[shiva2999]

Shiva, do you truly believe that a country with no military has nothing to fear in the world? Let's just pretend that the US and Canada broke off relations tomorrow and became enemies. What would happen to Canada's overseas assets? Hmmmm. Well lets see, Canada can't do anything about that so, gone. Exports to the US are ended so what happens to that socialist economy of yours. Gone too. Jobs? Gone.

I guess you could align with Russia or China as they could support you but they aren't real nice once you let them in your house. Nope, not nice at all. They probably wouldn't let you post on here any longer. You wouldn't have much choice, though, as the big brother down south is gone.

It costs a LOT of money to run a socialist state and still have some semblance of a first world nation and we pay the price for that. After all, you don't have to maintain a military. Protecting yourself and your economic interests is expensive and Canadians know that, which is why they quit doing so. Why bother with the US so close. I think your whole military is about as big as our Coast Guard now.

What choice do we have? Can't have a full blown Communist state like Venezuela right on the border so we are held hostage and you guys take advantage of it. I would too, why not. It is kind of stupid to spend money on a military when the US is right there and needs some semblance of sanity to the north.

Just, please, don't tell us how to run our business. Without us stabilizing things, you'd be living the life of a Venezuelan now. Don't believe it, then try and imagine life with no US to the south protecting you, your country and your assets as well as your way of life.

Completely and utterly nuts.

Once again, WHO ARE YOU PROTECTING US FROM?

[Merc]

Completely and utterly nuts.

Once again, WHO ARE YOU PROTECTING US FROM?

Everyone that wants what you have. The world, little man, the world. If you don't understand that then go ahead and attack me as it just proves my point. The world is a nasty place and we keep you safe from it. You can be a 57 years old left wing college student because we protect you. Live the dream. If you are to ignorant to realize that the world is a bad place then what more can I say.

BTW, both Hillary and Bama have promised their constituents that they will "review" NAFTA. That ain't good mate. Think about that and then do a little study of your economy.

[35Pete]

and what is wrong with core values and gut feelings?

Everything. They are the very essential elements upon which you can and will be manipulated.

[35Pete]

Everyone that wants what you have. The world, little man, the world. If you don't understand that then go ahead and attack me as it just proves my point. The world is a nasty place and we keep you safe from it. You can be a 57 years old left wing college student because we protect you. Live the dream. If you are to ignorant to realize that the world is a bad place then what more can I say.

BTW, both Hillary and Bama have promised their constituents that they will "review" NAFTA. That ain't good mate. Think about that and then do a little study of your economy.

Yes, indeed. The world is a nasty place and everyone, well, let's be honest Merc, some of the aggressive one's want what we have. Not everyone. Some want to be left along in their peace. Some want to take more of what you and others have.

Is that a fair statement?

[chickie]

Everything. They are the very essential elements upon which you can and will be manipulated.

This is not true. One manipultes you only if you allow them. If you stand by your core values and listen to your gut you are good. You have to do what YOU know is best - not what someone else thinks is best for you.

[Merc]

Yes, indeed. The world is a nasty place and everyone, well, let's be honest Merc, some of the aggressive one's want what we have. Not everyone. Some want to be left along in their peace. Some want to take more of what you and others have.

Is that a fair statement?
Fair enough.

[chickie]

Yes, indeed. The world is a nasty place and everyone, well, let's be honest Merc, some of the aggressive one's want what we have. Not everyone. Some want to be left along in their peace. Some want to take more of what you and others have.

Is that a fair statement?

That is fair enough and that is why we have our brave men and women protecting our rights from the aggressive ones.

We have service men and women to protect our country, and we must protect oursleves in our daily lives.

[pmoon6]

oh and btw the US protected England and Canada in 2 world wars, and we are still protecting you today.

Now say thank you.Uh, we were Allies. Canada and the UK did much to win those wars, along with the French, the Russians, and the Aussies.

It was a collaborative effort.

[shiva2999]

Everyone that wants what you have. The world, little man, the world.

You are protecting us from the world?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

Seems to me the world is in pretty unanimous agreement that we all need to be protected from you.

[shiva2999]

Uh, we were Allies. Canada and the UK did much to win those wars, along with the French, the Russians, and the Aussies.

It was a collaborative effort.

Yes it was a collaborative effort.

Not to mention Canada not only entered both wars long before the US but also sacrificed more men per capita in both wars than the US.

[chickie]

Yes it was a collaborative effort.

Not to mention Canada not only entered both wars long before the US but also sacrificed more men per capita in both wars than the US.


And that is exaclty why the US had to step it and protect you because you could not win it alone.

No say thank you. We helped save the rest of your fine men!

[shiva2999]

And that is exaclty why the US had to step it and protect you because you could not win it alone.

No say thank you. We helped save the rest of your fine men!

I can't imagine who you think you're impressing.

[chickie]

I can't imagine who you think you're impressing.

LMAO! Is that what you think I am doing - WoW!

Just say Thank you Shiva and it is all good. :)

[shiva2999]

LMAO! Is that what you think I am doing - WoW!


This is a discussion forum.

If you're not trying to impress someone then you're just jerking off.

[chickie]

This is a discussion forum.

If you're not trying to impress someone then you're just jerking off.


I guess you must do a lot of that then huh Shiva..

[shiva2999]

I guess you must do a lot of that then huh Shiva..

At least I know I won't try to steal my furniture.

[chickie]

why would you try and steal your own furniture? Kind of silly don't ya think?

[shiva2999]

why would you try and steal your own furniture? Kind of silly don't ya think?

Indeed.

Stealing someone else's furniture makes much more sense.

[chickie]

Indeed.

Stealing someone else's furniture makes much more sense.

If that is what tickles your fancy...

[notacon]

So CoachC. says he thinks the thread is going to get interesting and notacon's immediate response is to say, "It's just plain stupid. . ." I thought notacon's post was pretty amusing actually. He points out that the article doesn't make the point that the Drudge Report and Merc seem to think it makes. Then notacon makes the same point for us.

"Listen...of course race has been injected into this race. The reason is that Hillary is losing, and she can't take her beating like a man. Her ONLY hope is to turn to the divisive Rovian GOP race card playbook that has been used since 1968."

So Hillary Clinton is acting like a Republican because she has no recourse if she wants to win? Well, I don't know about the charge that Republicans always act this way and the implication that Democrats ordinarily don't, but for the moment let's assume it is true. The pertinent point is that notacon says Hillary is acting this way, racist. Moreover, others on her campaign staff have acted this way (Geraldine Ferraro, before she quit). The problem is notacon cannot escape the fact that Hillary is a Democrat. Moreover, she has wide support among the superdelegates in the Democratic party. Superdelegates are the insiders, the movers and shakers of the Democratic party, and many support a woman who has been acting the part of a racist, by notacon's own admission. "But it's only as a last resort," notacon tells us, not necessarily to defend her. Generally speaking, all candidates, Republican and Democrat, like to run nice clean positive campaigns, until they feel threatened. If you look at the campaign ads of virtually anyone who's leading 3-1 in the polls, and you'll be hard pressed to find a negative ad anywhere. It is no defense of Hillary to say Hillary is only racist as a last resort. If it's in her character to be racist ever, then she is racist pure and simple. If she is racist, then those who support her can be held guilty by association to the same extent that supporters of any Republican who displays racist tendencies can be accused of racism. Hillary and her supporters are not some fringe of the Democratic Party. As much or more than Barrack Obama, they are the heart and soul of the the Democratic party.

Now, about me. I describe myself as a moderate Republican, even though Shiva tells us there's no such thing. As such, I'm having trouble with John McCain's position supporting an open ended US presence in Iraq. For that reason, I'm leaning toward voting for Barack Obama in the general election. I like the fact that even though he has a very liberal voting record in the senate, he has a reputation as something of a pragmatist who will communicate across the political aisle and with groups outside his usual constituency (businessmen) to arrive at practical solutions. I like the fact that his health plan does not criminalize persons who for whatever reason chose not to enroll in a health insurance plan, as Hillary's plan does.

Nice try...but your whole premise is built on a big fat misrepresentation.

Hillary is not a "racist"...I never said that and never alluded to that.

I will try again...please pay attention...every word in the following sentence means something...ready...are you paying attention...read every word now.

Hillary is running a campaign out of desperation taking from the GOP playbook trying to appeal to the racist leanings in a small number of voters

Got that?!?!?! Does not mean Hillary is a racist...she is not. It means that in a very close campaign her and her husband are trying to inject race in such a way as to appeal to those that have listened to the GOP race attack that has been raging for over 40 years. It goes like this...

Liken Obama to another black presidential candidate that had almost no appeal outside blacks themselves...Jesse Jackson. Jackson has been pilloried for decades...much of it deserved...as an "angry black guy" that is outside the mainstream of American society. Obama is NOTHING like Jackson and has not run a campaign that is anywhere near what Jackson did. It is an attempt to paint Obama as the "black" candidate that is only there for the benefits of blacks.

The more insidious it the Ferraro one...the only reason Obama is here is because he is black.

This is one that appeals to some under achieving whites that want to blame their lot on black affirmative action. The idea that two equally qualified people apply for the same job that the black is choses over the white because he is black. Worse, is the implication (and sometimes overtly expressed view) that a black that is underquailfied as compared to the white will get the job over a better qualifies white.

This is a long standing argument shared by many that are not overt racists, but the argument is a racist one. It taps into the feelings that undersuccessful people must blame someone else for their lot in life.

These types of racist tingged arguments have been part and parcel of the GOP playbook since 1968.

Fact.

Hillary is utilizing it, for the reasons that I cannot come close to explaining. It is a losing argument and one that is turning off liberal minded whites like me.

Maybe she sees most of her appeal with undereducated poorer working class white (which is her strength) and thinks she can appeal to this type of feeleing.

I really believe that Hillary, advised by Bill, is looking at one thing and one thing only...the indivuadual states, like Ohio and PA, that are better demos for her with more lesser educated and lower income whites.

The cynical side of me thinks that she is really talking to the fall's GOP voter....using the usual GOP racist baiting tactics, in an attempt to ensure that Obama loses. She knows that it is next to impossible for her to win the nomination so she wants to make sure that McCain wins so she can run against him in 2012.

BTW, your statement that Hillary has "wide support among the superdelegates in the Democratic party" is false. In pledged superdelegates Obama is even. The rest that have not pledged yet are just waiting for the primaries to end in a very close race.

Please notice that I have not, and never have, called even the worse race baiting GOP politician a "racist"...forming a narrative that appeals to racists is not the same as being a racist oneslef.

The person who invented the Southern Strataegy, Nixon, was not a racist at all. He took advantage of what was going on at the time...the mass movement of Southern rcits away from the Democratic Party after the Civil Rights mess in the early '60's.

[notacon]

If Dems fight harder to improve urban education, public assistance (handouts) for the poor (many blacks) then there will be more who leave the Democratic party and become Republicans. If they attain more assets to protect then more may, most likely will, vote for Republicans or register as Republicans or Independents. Why do almost 90% of the blacks vote for Dems? Why are Republicans mainly white? Who has more assets? Who has helped to make sure that blacks have fewer assets? Sure Republicans have but Dems have as well. People who gain more wealth tend to go Conservative, Republican more than Democrats. Dems had and have no problem keeping blacks where they are to insure they remain part of THEIR party and they maintain their support. What have Dems done since the 1940s for blacks? It took a Republican Congress and Senate to approve Welfare Reform. Dems were happy giving handouts with no job training or education improvement. That is why I believe blacks should demand more for all the support they give to Dems. As a liberal you won't see the sense. Supporting blacks at the level they support the Democratic party has never forced the white dems hands to provide more to their black constituants. I don't mean handouts either. Handouts should be temporary, not generational.

Wow...a classic GOP race baiting argument.

What you seem to be saying is that:

Blacks are poor.
Republicans are rich.
Blacks vote Democratic because they are poor.
Democrat politicians like to keep voters poor so they will vote for them.


There are so many lies, misrepresentations and ugly race baiting bullshit in your post that it is almost unimaginable.

Number one...Democrats are mostly white too.

Number two...One of Bill Clinton's MAJOR planks in running for president in 1992 was reforming welfare...it was HIS issue.

Number three...90% of blacks are not poor.

Number four...the number of more wealthy voting Republican over Democrat is very slim.

Number five..."welfare" is mostly used by whites.

Number six...Most welfare recipients work.

Number seven...most welfare recipients are on welfare for short periods of time.

Number eight..."welfare" to big corporations is at least 10 times larger than "welfare" paid to poor people.

Number nine..."Welfare" is a minuscule part of government spending.

Number ten...blacks vote 90% Democratic because of the constant appealing to racists that has taken place by the GOP for over 40 years.

Here is a piece written before welfare reform of 1995...I don't know you from Adam...I don't know how much racism is in your heart, if any. But, your post is one of the most racist appeals I have ever read on this forum. I suggest you educate yourself about the economics of our black citizens and exactly how "welfare" works.

SMASHING THE MYTHS OF WELFARE UNFOUNDED STEREOTYPES (http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1994/vp941206/12060564.htm)


Most welfare mothers have one or two children, not three or four. Most welfare recipients first gave birth when they were adults, not teenagers.

Most people on welfare are children, not adults. Most adults on welfare are white or Hispanic, not black.

Reforming the nation's welfare system will be a top priority for the new Congress. Virtually everyone - liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, the middle class and the welfare recipients - agree that the program has big problems.

But there is also little doubt that many people have only a vague notion of the realities of the 14 million people on welfare, two-thirds of them children.

``Most of the things people think about welfare recipients are wrong,'' said David Kass of Children's Defense Fund, an advocacy group for children. ``And stereotypes lead to policy decisions that could ultimately hurt children. Because when people think about welfare, they don't think about children. They think about coming down on the parents.''

Consider Edwina Fields, a welfare recipient who doesn't fit the stereotype. A 34-year-old mother of a 9-year-old son, she was not a teen mother and has worked off and on in nursing and child-care jobs.

Yet she is typical of the mothers receiving monthly cash benefits: caught in a zigzag struggle to break free of a system never designed to promote self-sufficiency.

Fields has been on welfare four different times in nine years, using it in between jobs she said were usually lost because of child care or transportation problems. The Alexandria, Va., resident now attends state-run classes to refresh job skills, and plans to get licensed to care for children in her home.

``I know a lot of people say people on welfare are lazy. But I've been working since I was 13,'' said Fields, who had come early to the class for some quiet time on the computer. ``You feel good when you work and make money and take care of your family. But you have to do what you have to do to take care of your child.''

The national debate over welfare reform primarily targets Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), a $22 billion program begun in 1935 to give widows with children limited cash support until they remarried.

The best way to care for poor children is at the crux of the reform debate. AFDC is now paying out benefits for one child in every seven in this country.

One survey after another reveals public disdain of a welfare system seen as unfairly burdening taxpayers and making little dent in the poverty rate.

Both blacks and whites strongly believe most welfare recipients ``do not deserve'' the benefits, according to a survey by four liberal social advocacy groups. And most surveyed said the majority of recipients ``never get off welfare.''

Following are some of the myths about AFDC recipients, along with the realities that do not make the challenge of reform any easier:

MYTH: Welfare mothers have lots of children.

REALITY: More than 80 percent of welfare families have only one or two children.

The size of welfare families has been decreasing.

But illegitimacy remains a major issue in the reform debate. The focus has shifted from the number of children in the families to the number of unmarried women choosing to have children.

The percentage of never-married mothers on AFDC has more than doubled since 1976, reaching 52 percent of the total in 1992.

The increase reflects a national trend - spurred in part by white, working women - that resulted in a tripling in the number of never-married, single mothers.

Those unmarried mothers on AFDC are less likely to become self-sufficient. And it is harder to collect child support from never-married fathers.

Policy analysts have been bombarding lawmakers with dueling studies over whether or not welfare benefits actually encourage out-of-wedlock births and a host of other social ills.

Those who say yes want to stop giving mothers extra benefits for new children to encourage them either to find husbands or stop having babies they can't afford. Opponents see unmarried mothers as a sign of the changing American family and say they need support rather than punishment.

MYTH: Most welfare recipients are black.

REALITY: In this case, blacks and whites are about equal.

Whites make up 38.9 percent of welfare recipients; blacks 37.2 percent.

But a higher proportion of blacks lives in homes receiving government cash assistance, primarily AFDC: 29 percent of blacks compared with 8 percent of whites.

Blacks are still the majority of welfare mothers who never married, but their percentages dropped from 71 to 57 percent over the last two decades. That compares to an increase from 18 to 27 percent for whites.

Some analysts warn that white unmarried mothers have reached the point where blacks were in 1968 when a national commission warned of family deterioration and crime. That specter fuels some of the worry about welfare contributing to moral decay.

MYTH: Most welfare mothers are teenagers.

REALITY: Teen mothers make up only 8.2 percent of the welfare rolls. Teen mothers are still a major concern for those worried about breaking any cycle of dependency. Half of unwed teen mothers get on welfare by the end of the first year after giving birth; 77 percent are on the rolls five years later.

Also, 34 percent of adult recipients started on welfare as teens. These women are poorer, less educated and less likely to marry than those who started welfare as adults. And even though these mothers work just as much as others on welfare, they earn less.

Some analysts say teen mothers require intensive therapy: programs for job-training, parenting class, remedial education. Others promote ``tough love:'' no cash benefits and either group homes for them and their babies or orphanages for the children. That discourages teen parenthood and sets a standard of values, they say.

Still others say it would be more cost-effective to focus on the biggest bulk of the AFDC rolls: the average recipient who is 31 years old, has school-aged children and some work experience. Help that mother become self-sufficient, they say, and establish a role model for the younger generation.

MYTH: Welfare mothers stay on the rolls continuously for years and refuse to work.

REALITY: Most welfare mothers are on and off welfare. Many try to work.

Within two years, 70 percent of recipients get off welfare, primarily to work. But one of the greatest challenges to reform is that a lot of them get back on welfare within a few years.

Major reasons include job loss, the high cost of child care and the need for medical benefits often not available with low-paying jobs.

Of those who leave welfare, 45 percent return within a year.

At least one-third of single women on welfare worked some time during a year, often in part-time or part-year jobs. Federal officials think many more don't report that they work so they can hold on to some benefits.

Younger women are just as likely to work as older women; women with children under age 6 work as much as those with older children.

Still, the average total family income earned by welfare recipients in 1992 was only $6,865, low enough to qualify for various forms of government aid.

Part of the welfare debate will focus on how to help those who tend to ``cycle back'' into the system.

Ironically, the group not targeted by any welfare reform proposal is that hardcore 15 percent that stays on welfare for five years or longer without a break in aid.

MYTH: The monthly benefit checks are generous.

REALITY: The average check for a family is $373.

That totals $4,476 a year - far below the federal poverty level of $11,522 for a family of three. Of course, AFDC benefits were never intended to be enough to compensate for a job - only enough to keep people from starving.

Maximum benefit amounts vary by state, ranging from $120 a month for a family of three in Mississippi to $923 in Alaska. But there has been no increase in the average national benefit since 1990.

With inflation, today's welfare check buys about half as much as it did in 1976.

Even with food stamps, the AFDC family lives below the poverty line. Just one-fourth of welfare families receive any government housing assistance.

When I was young, my family was on "welfare"...first, in the early '60's we went to the Masten St. Armory to pick up excess food from the Agriculture Dept.....part of the federal government's attempts to bolster the American farmer. We picked up big cans of peanut butter, lard, dry milk, beans and flour.

Later we used food stamps...the biggest federal "welfare" program.

My dad worked TWO jobs...my mother was unable physically to work. Having 5 children made it difficult to put food on the table.

Your stereotype is abhorrent to me and should be abhorrent to any thinking American.

[shiva2999]

If that is what tickles your fancy...

I've donated much more than just my furniture to someone that tickled my fancy.

And I've also come out scot-free from encounters with someone who tickled my fancy.

Guess which ones I have fond memories of?

[35Pete]

Fair enough.

Then is it fair to assume that this is human nature?

[35Pete]

That is fair enough and that is why we have our brave men and women protecting our rights from the aggressive ones.

We have service men and women to protect our country, and we must protect oursleves in our daily lives.

Do you think that it's human nature for aggressive people to want to force their will on us? That is, historically we have always had an enemy?

[chickie]

I've donated much more than just my furniture to someone that tickled my fancy.

And I've also come out scot-free from encounters with someone who tickled my fancy.

Guess which ones I have fond memories of?

So are you telling me you are gay?

Like I care Shiva...move along...

[chickie]

Do you think that it's human nature for aggressive people to want to force their will on us? That is, historically we have always had an enemy?

sure, but what is the point you are trying to make - you are trying to set me up for some kind of answer.

[uppy]

At least I know I won't try to steal my furniture.

You still having furniture issues ?

Would you like to share the story it may help you

get over the pain you seem to be having.

[shiva2999]

You still having furniture issues ?

Would you like to share the story it may help you

get over the pain you seem to be having.

Uh oh, the poodle's awake.

http://www.cassidyframes.com/images/museum/poodle.jpeg

[TigerJ]

Thanks to Dr. Lecter on another board, here is a video that purports to be of Obama at a Florida campaign rally when the infamous Rev. Wright hate sermon was taking place. Either someone is lying, or Obama has learned how to be in two places at once. I'm not betting on the latter.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/barack-obama-at-la-raza-convention-in-miami-fl-07-22-07/737349854

[Ralonzo]

I know alot of Democrats that are somewhat racist, but the fact of the matter is the KKK and the Neonazi's are right wing Republicans.

:rofl: 50 short years and all history has been rewritten to suit the Left.

Quick quiz: Name the political affiliation of the only current member of the Senate to have been an admitted member of the Ku Klux Klan.

[pmoon6]

Thanks to Dr. Lecter on another board, here is a video that purports to be of Obama at a Florida campaign rally when the infamous Rev. Wright hate sermon was taking place. Either someone is lying, or Obama has learned how to be in two places at once. I'm not betting on the latter.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/barack-obama-at-la-raza-convention-in-miami-fl-07-22-07/737349854Dr. Lecter?

Sounds creepy.

[ckg68]

Shall we talk about Trent Lott and his membership in the Council of Conservative Citizens?

Or David Duke?

Ah....didn't think so.

[C Darwin]

Shall we talk about Trent Lott and his membership in the Council of Conservative Citizens?

Or David Duke?

Ah....didn't think so.

Of the three major candidates left, Duke wants Obama to win.

As I have tried to convey many, many times, a White guy advancing our enemy's agenda is far worse for our cause than a Black guy doing it. A White, ostensibly conservative, war hero, "one of us" kind of persona is far more enabling of the anti-White agenda than any Blackman doing it. When a Blackman acts against us our interests, the program's anti-White nature becomes far more apparent. Because of that fact, more Whites will be mobilized to the racial truth and to activism by a Black racist President than by a Conservative sellout, and that is the key to our long term success as a Movement.

[ckg68]

Duke might be more trustworthy if he wasn't busted using money donated to his organization and then turning around and spending it on himself,which earned him some time in...

THE BIG HOUSE!

[GilPerreault]

Wow...a classic GOP race baiting argument.

What you seem to be saying is that:

Blacks are poor.
Republicans are rich.
Blacks vote Democratic because they are poor.
Democrat politicians like to keep voters poor so they will vote for them.


There are so many lies, misrepresentations and ugly race baiting bullshit in your post that it is almost unimaginable.

Number one...Democrats are mostly white too.

Number two...One of Bill Clinton's MAJOR planks in running for president in 1992 was reforming welfare...it was HIS issue.

Number three...90% of blacks are not poor.

Number four...the number of more wealthy voting Republican over Democrat is very slim.

Number five..."welfare" is mostly used by whites.

Number six...Most welfare recipients work.

Number seven...most welfare recipients are on welfare for short periods of time.

Number eight..."welfare" to big corporations is at least 10 times larger than "welfare" paid to poor people.

Number nine..."Welfare" is a minuscule part of government spending.

Number ten...blacks vote 90% Democratic because of the constant appealing to racists that has taken place by the GOP for over 40 years.

Here is a piece written before welfare reform of 1995...I don't know you from Adam...I don't know how much racism is in your heart, if any. But, your post is one of the most racist appeals I have ever read on this forum. I suggest you educate yourself about the economics of our black citizens and exactly how "welfare" works.

SMASHING THE MYTHS OF WELFARE UNFOUNDED ST