For all the nay-sayers

The useless Curtis Joseph now has 14, yes FOURTEEN career playoff shutouts.

Ya, he sucks.


On behalf of one of the greatest goalies ever,

kiss this.

:moon:

The useless Curtis Joseph now has 14, yes FOURTEEN career playoff shutouts.

Ya, he sucks.


On behalf of one of the greatest goalies ever,

kiss this.

:moon:

BUT, hats off to the Sens for a great series. If we have Lalime and Theodore in the pipes come next olympics I think Canada will be o-k.

[BuffaloSoljer]

Yeah, he's also a very mundane 55W 54L, 2.61 GAA lifetime in the playoffs, which means in games he wasn't shutting someone out, his GAA was over 3, which means he's either really good or really bad.

Let's not canonize the guy for shutting out a bunch of heartless, gutless euro-trash. Give credit to the defense that yielded a piddling 19 SOG, most of which YOU could have stopped.

No, he doesn't suck, but how many rings does he have? I forgot.

[BuffaloSoljer]

Canada should be Ok in the next Olympics, as long as Jose plays as well as he did the last three playoff games. He really held 'em in there.

[BigDoug]

Whatever, Soljer...Keep talkin' & prove you know sh*t about hockey

[dolfan25]

Cujo-"1 of the greatest goalies ever"Without much effort I could name 20 better goalies than Cujo.

[BigDoug]

O.K. then....

[CANADA-DRY]

GO LEAFS GO!!!!!!!! We are partying on Yonge Street as we speak. WE ARE TRULY THE HEART OF THE HOCKEY UNIVERSE.

[BigDoug]

eye of hurricane...blah blah blah
Could you wear out another old cliche?

[dolfan25]

Patrick Roy
Tony Esposito
Bernie Parent
Ken Dryden
Terry Sawchuck
Glenn Hall
Dominik Hasek
Martin Brodeur
Jacques Plante
Billy Smith
Johnny Bower
George Hainsworth
Gump Worsley
Turk Broda
Bill Durnan
Grant Fuhr
Ed Belfour
Harry Lumley
Tiny Thompson
Last 1 I'll admit I stretched for but any from this list:
Mike Vernon
Tretiak
Barrasso
Moog
Hextall
excl. Tretiak-all these goalies have either won a Stanley Cup or Vezina trophy-heck Cujo hasn't even got his team into the final yet

[BigDoug]

Wow...that took you 1/2 an hour

[dolfan25]

Is Cujo 1 of the best goalies ever?
Oh and I guess I responded right after your post. Geez I didn't know I was getting timed. All playoff stats are skewed nowadays because of the # of games they play now. Is Jari Kurri 1 of the greatest playoff performers of all time. Hardly. 14 shutouts at first looks unbelievable but todays goalies have a decided advantage.

No way Cujo is 1 of the best of all time. He's just 1 of the best to play in T.O. and is therefore put into that class. Just like Salming belongs in the hockey HOF, what a joke. Heck that's more than 20 and if you're put below 15 you are not 1 of the greatest especailly considering there was only 6 teams for the 1st 50 years.

[CANADA-DRY]

I am sick off all this anti-CANADA talk. Cujo is getting better now that his hand is healing and shaking off the rust from not playing in 2 months. Sundin would lead us to the Cup. (It belongs in CANADA anyway, It is just rusting in the u.s.) GO LEAFS GO!!!!

[dolfan25]

I'm Canadian and I hate all this cheering against AMERICAN TEAMS. Look at Colorado, Detroit, and Carolina. Are Joe Sakic, Blake, Roy, Yzerman, Shanahan, Francis not good Canadians. Most of the players are Canadian yet we cheer against them since they play in the U.S. usually through no choice of their own. It's stupid when Americans cheer against the Raptors or the Blue Jays since most of the players on those teams are Americans. Don't those players deserve to win even though they're on a team that plays outside their country. The Cup belongs to whoever wins it. Right now it's Colorados and it likely will be Detroit's or Colorado's when it's all said and done. The Cup belongs to the team that wins 16 games in the playoffs. Toronto, Montreal, Edmonton etc. have no claim on it since they haven't done enough to win it.

Cujo's been getting better for 10 years yet still no Cup, he has a good chance to get the Leafs to the Finals this year but I suspect they will be cannon fodder for Det. or Col. since both those teams are more talented than the Leafs.

[mchurchfie]

After twenty straight hours of "CSPAN", CANADA-DRY, the newly appointed diplomat of Canada cleared his throat and declared to the warring tribes:

Originally posted by CANADA-DRY
I am sick off all this anti-CANADA talk. Cujo is getting better now that his hand is healing and shaking off the rust from not playing in 2 months. Sundin would lead us to the Cup. (It belongs in CANADA anyway, It is just rusting in the u.s.) GO LEAFS GO!!!!

Anti-Canadian, you are starting to sound like Wayne Gretzky...??
I am an Eastern Division fan, so with that said IMO, I don't see anyone remaining from the East beating Detroit, Colorado, or Vancouver in the West. When Toronto was 2 points down in Game 6, they were getting their -sses handed to them in a handbag and were free falling faster than Jamie Nails falling out of the sky with a bag of rocks under each of his arms. When Domi drew that 5 minute penalty and they tied things up, it switched the momentum totally around. The Sens never recovered after that. By the way, the reason the cup is getting rusty over here is because it has been here for so darn long...come get it...PAYCE!!

[CANADA-DRY]

The arrogance you americans have

[mchurchfie]

Originally posted by CANADA-DRY
The arrogance you americans have

Umm..let me quote.."Sundin would lead us to the Cup. (It belongs in CANADA anyway, It is just rusting in the u.s.) Please correct me if I am wrong, but who is being arrogant here? You are sick of all of all of this Anti-Canadian talk? I am sorry, but I resent that. Just because someone is making a point against your team doesn't mean they have anything against Canada. A good point and case is that I hope the Leafs get beat because I am a Sabre's fan and it is because of the rivalry, nothing else. However, I am pulling for Vancouver (a Canadian team) to beat Colorado. So please don't go for the convienent response and start shouting out to the world that everyone is being Anti-Canadian and being arrogant Americans just because we don't embrace your beloved Leafs. PAYCE!!

[CANADA-DRY]

Well I am sorry to offend. I wish people from all over could just see our joy. We really feel much love for our LEAFS. I was out of line making this a form to express my political beliefs. One thing we could agree on is our passion for the BILLS. I wonder if people realize how many BILLS fans are north of Peace Bridge.

[dolfan25]

San Jose is playing Colo. not Van.

[SCBILLFAN1]

Wasn't Cujo pulled from Team Canada after getting creamed in game 1???

[EricStratton]

Canada-Dry,

I still don't see anti-canada in these posts. Anti Maple Leafs yes but anti-canada no. I don't like the Leafs because they arn't the team I root for (Devils) but I have nothing against the friggin country. If your insecurity is so that you fail to see the difference I feel sorry for you.

BTW Rude, he is a great playoff goalie and thats what matters now. How a guy does in the first 82 matters little if he does well in the second season. Cujo has to rank right up there but it would sure help his cause if he could lift the Cup.

[Squish The Fish]

This is NOT Hard Core Bills Talk!

[bduff54]

dolfan, you rank hextall over cujo???????? HAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAA. that is hilarious man. please sit down and never speak again!!!

That garbage by soljer is exactly what I'm talking about.

I've created a monster. lol

25, you named some great goalies, but I'd quickly take about 6 off that list. And even if you're right, which you aren't, being the 26th greatest goalie ever aint so bad consdering how many have strapped on pads.

SCBILLFAN1,

Yes he did get yanked, but if you really knew anything about the game, or sports in general, you'd know why and why he didn't go back in.

[Tatonka]

well i know plenty about hockey.. and sports in general, and i know that he did NOT get yanked cuz he was playing great... i am pretty sure i know enough to know that.

The whole team sucked. Then Brodeur was palying so well Quin had to keep going back to him. Simple. I'd have done the same.

[Player6600]

Cujo played great.

[Tatonka]

one of my favorite quotes is by howie long, who was helping out i guess, back when fox was doing there impression of hockey coverage. Howie Long said, "I've always been under the opinion that, if the puck crosses the goal line, it is the goalie's faul."

=)

[mchurchfie]

Originally posted by CANADA-DRY
Well I am sorry to offend. I wish people from all over could just see our joy. We really feel much love for our LEAFS. I was out of line making this a form to express my political beliefs. One thing we could agree on is our passion for the BILLS. I wonder if people realize how many BILLS fans are north of Peace Bridge.

None taken, I know that you guys are very passionate and excited about your team. I agree, it is something for us to be such big rivals with our hockey teams (Leafs & Sabres) but yet have the closest of bonds when it comes to the Bills. Good luck the rest of the way and PEACE to you my friend.

[mchurchfie]

Originally posted by dolfan25
San Jose is playing Colo. not Van.

Oops, my bad. Once again my stupidity shines through like a neon light...

[BironsGirl43]

One of the greatest goalies ever?!?!! LOL..... OK.....

Has this guy ever won anything in his NHL career?

Stanley Cup? No...
Hart Trophy? No...
Vezina Trophy? No...
Jennings Trophy? Umm, I don't think so..

He played well last night but don't forget the defence and all of their blocked shots.. or the Leafs scoring 3 goals for him.. or.. the fact that he faced only 19 shots... c'mon man.. he played well but don't give him more credit than he deserves.....

I highly encourage you to delete your post. It's total jibberish nonsense.

[bduff54]

rude i like cujo but he is not one of the all-time greats. he is ver inconsisten and always has been. but he was great lastnight!!!

He's number 21 on the list of all-time greatest goalies.

The Rude List.

[BironsGirl43]

Originally posted by bduff54
rude i like cujo but he is not one of the all-time greats. he is ver inconsisten and always has been. but he was great lastnight!!!

Thanks... I agree with you!! :) That's what I'm trying to say.. he can be great at times but he can also be very bad!!

The reason we see his inconsistencies is becuase he plays in our backyard. Put Roy under the microscope on the same teams Cujo has played for and I guarantee his performance drops.

Jim Kelly sucked too then. He never won a SB ring and he was on great teams. come on. Not everyone wins the hardware but that doesn't meant they're not one of the best of their era.

[BironsGirl43]

Yeah but he has to win at least 1 big accolade if he wants to be considered great.. he's a great person though... with huge eyebrows..... lol!

You have to give him a chance to do great things. No team he ever played for afforded him the opportunity to take home the big trophy. He's been a great payer on sub-par teams. He's a little less that what he was but at 35 he's gettin up there a bit. Reflexes don't last forever folks.

Originally posted by EarthquakeEnyart
Cujo can't hold Roy's jockstrap. Gimme a break. You know nothing about hockey!

No. YOU know nothing about hockey! If you'd read clearly man it wasn't a direct comparison.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

I love the hockey forum.

lol! Me too!

[bduff54]

i hear ya rude. cujo may be one of the top guys of this era but definitely not of all-time as your originally said

He's the greatest ever. EVER.

[BironsGirl43]

Originally posted by EarthquakeEnyart
Hell, the Sabres alone have had 8 goalies better than Cujo.

Roger Crozier
Jerry Dejardens
Gary Bromley
Don Edwards
Bob Sauve
Grant Fuhr
Tom Barasso
Hasek

Not to mention Biron!

Ok Earthquake!! I love you!!!!! lol.. :up:

Originally posted by EarthquakeEnyart
Hell, the Sabres alone have had 8 goalies better than Cujo.

Roger Crozier
Jerry Dejardens
Gary Bromley
Don Edwards
Bob Sauve
Grant Fuhr
Tom Barasso
Hasek

Not to mention Biron!

What about Puppa?!?!? :D

Originally posted by EarthquakeEnyart
Hell, the Sabres alone have had 8 goalies better than Cujo.

Roger Crozier
Jerry Dejardens
Gary Bromley
Don Edwards
Bob Sauve
Grant Fuhr
Tom Barasso
Hasek

Not to mention Biron!

lmao at the old guy. Time for your medication!

[dolfan25]

Originally posted by bduff54
dolfan, you rank hextall over cujo???????? HAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAA. that is hilarious man. please sit down and never speak again!!!

Hextall won a Vezina and lead his team to the Finals where he got them to a game 7 against a great Oiler team. Heck he won the Conn Smythe trophy on a losing team.

[Tatonka]

sexy hexy was a baaad man for while.. people are just remembering his last years in philly when he was old and couldnt cut it anymore.

[shasta]

Plenty Canada Dry! Sorry not a Be LEAF er though. Roberts is a stud, but them leafs are too banged up IMO.

Originally posted by dolfan25


Hextall won a Vezina and lead his team to the Finals where he got them to a game 7 against a great Oiler team. Heck he won the Conn Smythe trophy on a losing team. I'll file this under, "don't give a rat's ass."

Cujo is even better now as an old man than Hackstall ever was.

[shasta]

I would take Cujo anyday over Hextall.

Thank you. Me too. Any day.

[mchurchfie]

Originally posted by lordofgun


What about Puppa?!?!? :D

LOL....my lasting memory of Puppa when he was a Sabre was when I went to the mall one time and I saw him sitting outside of a health food store for an autograph session, all by himself (and I mean ALL by himself). There was nary a soul there...it was like a ghost town..I felt bad for the guy.

[BigDoug]

LOL, I went to the health food store to get some bran to help me puppa & all I got was his lousy autograph

[dolfan25]

Originally posted by Rude American
I'll file this under, "don't give a rat's ass."

Cujo is even better now as an old man than Hackstall ever was.
In '93 every Leaf fan I knew thought Cujo was a good goalie but not a big game goalie like Felix. Now that he's a Leaf he is 1 of the best of all time. Hardly. If I had to take any 2 goalies from the last 20 years to win 1 game for me it would be Billy Smith or Roy. Certainly not Cujo.

Question for BDuff or Rude.

Do you really think the Leafs will win the Cup?

Or to put it in a cliched way. If you had to bet $10, who would you place it on?

but if you had to bet $10000 who would you place it on?

[bduff54]

i'd put it on colorado!!

[CANADA-DRY]

Go LEAFS Go!!!!!!! We are still partying on Yonge Street. Cujo is great because he faces more quality shots than those "other" goalies.

[dolfan25]

Originally posted by CANADA-DRY
Go LEAFS Go!!!!!!! We are still partying on Yonge Street. Cujo is great because he faces more quality shots than those "other" goalies.

No one can verify this stat. When Cujo does what Patrick did in '93 and '86(which was take an inferior team to the Cup title)then he goes up there. There is no way you can substatiate what you just said CDry. Am I wrong in assuming that you are too young to remember 86 or 93?

[CANADA-DRY]

I very much remember those Montreal teams, DF25. Could you imagine if we win the Cup? Believe me we are still celebrating and it is Thursday.

[bduff54]

he is right. i work on yonge street and there are still people driving by and honking horns this morning

[EricStratton]

When's the parade for making the conference finals.

On the Cujo arguement, he is a terrific goalie but without the ring he can't be considered and all time great. Neither can Dom in Detroit.

[bduff54]

are they not allowed celebrate eric??? maybe thats why yoru devils fans suck so bad, they can't even sell out playoff games!!!

[EricStratton]

Your allowed to celebrate, its just Canada-Dry is making it out like you won the hardware.

And the Devils do sell out playoff games, and as far as sucking, when was your last drink from the Cup. Mines pretty fresh.

[bduff54]

devils are a good team but they have the worst fans in the world. i remember Bob Cole mocking them when he covered a playoof game and the stadium wasn't full.

[EricStratton]

It's weird with teh fans in NJ. The team is what 20 years old or something and being in the shadow of the Rangers and Flyers (most of North Jersey was Ranger fans and South Jersey Flyer fans) the fan base has had to grow from the kids up. Every year it gets better with fans in there 20's and 30's who grew up with the Devils sticking with them and more and more kids jumping on board.

Combine that with a crappy arena with no mass transit (we are getting a new arena in about 2-3 years that had train access) and $50 cheap seats ($65 in the playoffs) and it gets tricky so fill the place. In the past few years it has always been full in the 2nd and later rounds, just the first few games are slow.

[bduff54]

earthquaie your a goon buddy!!! 50 cheap seats? not bad. standong rooms here go for 300

[EricStratton]

Right now hockey is the only game in town in TO. Anyway, $300 is only anout $35 american dollars isn't it?

I would love to see a playoff game in Toronto, Montreal or Detroit. The excitement and tradition would be terrific.

[bduff54]

it is amazing i went to one in the islanders series. the fans are so knowledgable its scary. i remebmer watching the hurricanes game on t.v. and when o'neill got that 5 minute major the fans were cheering really loud because they thought it was a good hit. when roberts drilled jonsson in toronto the fans went quite becasue they knew it would be a 5 minute major

[EricStratton]

Thats the difference between 100 years and 5 years of hockey. Same in Jersey, a large portion of fans are learning the game. It gets better every season but it' still not there yet.

[bduff54]

i'm nbot criticizing them, its the same with the nba here and the fans of the celtics. its good for the sport to see people in carlina taking an interest

Originally posted by dolfan25

In '93 every Leaf fan I knew thought Cujo was a good goalie but not a big game goalie like Felix. Now that he's a Leaf he is 1 of the best of all time. Hardly. If I had to take any 2 goalies from the last 20 years to win 1 game for me it would be Billy Smith or Roy. Certainly not Cujo.

Question for BDuff or Rude.

Do you really think the Leafs will win the Cup?

Or to put it in a cliched way. If you had to bet $10, who would you place it on?

but if you had to bet $10000 who would you place it on?

25, not me, man. Back then I thought the guy was aWESOME. I remember when he was a Blue and he took T.O. to game 7. I was actually releived when wWendel Clark rung one off his cage. I was hoping he'd be out of the game. So you see, I've always thought he was phenomenal.

Take this.. in 1995 he played with the Las Vegas Thunder. He had a GAA of 1.99, with a save % of 0.929, in a league that's notorious for its high scoring games, but this guy was a machine.

Here's another cool stat...

P. Roy: 22 career playoff shutouts.
Cujo: 14. Not bad, eh? Especially when you consider the teams he's had in front of him. Edmonton, St. Louis' early years? Come on! The Leafs! Come on. We all know the Leafs haven't been a legit cup contender since the Gilmour-Andereychuk days. They're lacking a defenseman and one more pure goal scorer.

I'm not saying he's the greatest ever, but basketball had their top 50 where it was an honor. Hockek did it too. If you're tryig to tell me that he isn't one of the best goalies perhaps top 20) then you haven't watched this guy closely. He comes up big in big games like very few others.

Now, point two. You'd be crazy to put money on the Leafs to win the cup. They may get there this year but they'll get smokied, as would Carolina, IMO. As iut stands now, all my money would be on the Avs, but I had a feeling San Jose would win. I would have lost. I said that whoever won that series will win the cup and I still believe that. I think San Jose will take it next year though.

BTW, my one-game pick would also be Roy.

[bduff54]

earthquake i respect my mons opinion of yours, and she is an irish woman who knows nothing about hockey. i recall you saying the sens would smoke the leafs. stop talking! and if you say that stuff about graham james again i will do my best to have you banned

[bduff54]

i never started that thread look at it!!!!! tasteless goon!

Earthquake,

how didn't that make sense? I thought you'd be drooling over my honesty.

And don't count the leafs out just yet old man. Every time they look down and out they claw their way back, knock wood.

And don't forget, they had 100 points in the reg season. That's 3rd in the NHL. I guess your senility has clouded your recollection, eh? :D

Hey, you get me a a job yet? I'm expensive but talented. That didn't come out quite right! lol.

[bduff54]

i like the way you have i what i said in quotes?? why is that??

For a while my signature was "Rude American is a dirt bag." I won't reveal who said that though.

:D

Bduff, he's quoting you. you need to quotation marks whever you quote someone.

Maybe Ireland's system is different. Is it? :D

[BironsGirl43]

Originally posted by Rude American
For a while my signature was "Rude American is a dirt bag." I won't reveal who said that though.

:D

Was it me?:scratch: :father:

[bduff54]

lol rude, i meant why does he have it as his signature. dumb duffy!

Originally posted by bduff54
i like the way you have i what i said in quotes?? why is that??

BDuff = Ozzy Osbourne in Disguise

:D

[BironsGirl43]

Originally posted by EarthquakeEnyart
Cause I think it's funny?

Don't worry Quake.. I think it's funny too!! Maybe some people need to get a sense of humour/humor.. hmmmmm...

[CANADA-DRY]

I am getting ready to walk over and watch game one at Gretzky's bar if I could find a seat. If not I will watch it at home. I think that we will get some players back to help us through the series.{Sundin,Pilar,Renberg, and hopefully Dmitry Yushkevich) I think that just the fact that we have players who have been to war(Corson, Roberts, Domi, McCabe) The intangibles this team has, You have players who will fight and not let the team lose. I am concerned about the BBC, but we have the definite edge in experience and goaltending. WE WILL COMPARE NOTES AFTER THE GAME.....................PEACE............GO LEAFS GO!!!!!!!!

[shasta]

Go Swift Current!!!!!!!

[BigDoug]

How do you break in a Bronco?