Iraq War Costs Americans in health care tradeoff

[caseedo]

"People have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room." -- George W. Bush

That's right, Mr. President. And thanks for pointing out what's wrong with a status quo you've done almost nothing to alter. Welcome to the ER. It is America's answer to a phony debate. Health care: Is it a right? Of course it is.

Were it not, ERs would bar their doors to the uninsured. People would expire on the curb. Bodies would bloat in the streets.

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/352764_emergencyonline28.html

[sukie]

Bwahahahahahaha!

[caseedo]

more from the article:

Stop assuming that the free market will resolve this. All the free market does is provide for those who can afford pastry and perfume.

In addition to being a referendum on the war, this year's presidential election will be a referendum on health care.

On the Republican side the trust will be placed in the free market, and the supposed magic of "health care spending accounts" or tax credits that fritter around the edges. In the Democratic primary Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama both have proposals that would change the equation more dramatically than ever since the creation of Medicare.

Clinton would require health insurance for all Americans and provide subsidies to help residents cover the cost. Obama would expand the Children's Health Insurance Program to cover all uninsured children and expand Medicaid eligibility to cover more adults. You ask how they intend to pay for this. Both would, at minimum, revoke the Bush tax cuts for America's wealthiest.

But when it comes to the cost of national coverage, statists' concerns about the price tag are disingenuous. We already pay for the uninsured through hospital costs and insurance rates. If more had health insurance, with real preventive care and health maintenance, we would have a healthier country with fewer pressures on hospitals and health-care costs.

[sukie]

Another one of those pesky healthcare referendums... Sheesh. Every 4 years.

[35Pete]

"People have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room." -- George W. Bush

That's right, Mr. President. And thanks for pointing out what's wrong with a status quo you've done almost nothing to alter. Welcome to the ER. It is America's answer to a phony debate. Health care: Is it a right? Of course it is.

Were it not, ERs would bar their doors to the uninsured. People would expire on the curb. Bodies would bloat in the streets.

more-
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/352764_emergencyonline28.html

I worked 5+ years in the ER/Trauma Center environment.

It's a clinic.

That said, a "right" is not something that you proclaim.

Know why?

[35Pete]

eddie. Are you going to quote someone else's thoughts or are you going to discuss this?

I've seen enough bull shit of people thinking other people's positions. Let's hear what YOU think and why.

[uppy]

A persons health care is not my problem.What we spend to defend our country is my

concern its mandated in the Constitution health care is not.

[35Pete]

A persons health care is not my problem.What we spend to defend our country is my

concern its mandated in the Constitution health care is not.

Again. Either support the whole goddamn document or call it a "goddamn piece of paper".

But for Christ's sake be consistent.

No Standing Armies!!!

[sukie]

(during peace)

[uppy]

Again. Either support the whole goddamn document or call it a "goddamn piece of paper".

But for Christ's sake be consistent.

No Standing Armies!!!

:rofl:


Are you in a "A well regulated militia" if not give up your guns,and for Christ's sake be consistent.

Pete,like I said before....you are losing your credibilty with these moonbat tactics

[caseedo]

eddie. Are you going to quote someone else's thoughts or are you going to discuss this?

I've seen enough bull shit of people thinking other people's positions. Let's hear what YOU think and why.

I think the article is a fair assessment of the state of healthcare in America today. I meant to post the second part of the article (because it's important) originally.

I don't know why you felt you had to pull the BS card, you are usually fairly reasonable here-at least this early in a thread.

[caseedo]

A persons health care is not my problem.What we spend to defend our country is my

concern its mandated in the Constitution health care is not.

OK what if that person was in part spent to defend our country? Is his/her health care now your (the collective) problem?

[35Pete]

:rofl:


Are you in a "A well regulated militia" if not give up your guns,and for Christ's sake be consistent.

Pete,like I said before....you are losing your credibilty with these moonbat tactics

You don't even know the definition of "militia" means in the contextual sense of the document. And don't try to give me "state national guard". That angle was crushed in the DC court opinion on gun bans as welll as the latest brief that I posted.

Just go read the damn thing (constitution) Uppy. Don't scan for blurbs that you "have heard of". Read it. You'd be shocked.

[35Pete]

Your comments wouldn't irritate me if you didn't treat treaties, organizations, and law cafeteria style. And it's not just you. Hard core democrats aren't much different.

If you were to make this claim yet comment on the NSA wiretapping as "hey Pete, that does suck. It IS a 4th and 5th amendment violation of the highest degree" then I'd at least consider taking your arguments more seriously with the attitude that you are misinterpreting this. But when you selectively cite the constitution (and wrongly most of the time), selectively enforce the UN, and selectively abide by treaties, then you are arbitrary and caprcious. It demonstrates having no grounding or basis in logic and no philosophical framework to anchor against. Know what that boils down to?

And emotional argument. The very same thing that you accuse liberals of doing. And for many you are indeed correct. But let he who is without that very same sin be the first one to cast a stone.

I have plenty of stones in my hand.

[uppy]

OK what if that person was in part spent to defend our country? Is his/her health care now your (the collective) problem?


People in the military have health care its part of the contract

so its our duty to care for them.

[uppy]

Your comments wouldn't irritate me if you didn't treat treaties, organizations, and law cafeteria style. And it's not just you. Hard core democrats aren't much different.

If you were to make this claim yet comment on the NSA wiretapping as "hey Pete, that does suck. It IS a 4th and 5th amendment violation of the highest degree" then I'd at least consider taking your arguments more seriously with the attitude that you are misinterpreting this. But when you selectively cite the constitution (and wrongly most of the time), selectively enforce the UN, and selectively abide by treaties, then you are arbitrary and caprcious. It demonstrates having no grounding or basis in logic and no philosophical framework to anchor against. Know what that boils down to?

And emotional argument. The very same thing that you accuse liberals of doing. And for many you are indeed correct. But let he who is without that very same sin be the first one to cast a stone.

I have plenty of stones in my hand.

We are at war Pete

[mark3274]

We are at war Pete

hahahahahahahaha only fools like you are at war the rest of the nation does not give a rats ass.

there is no war lol.