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shiva2999
February 10th, 2008, 9:04:43 PM
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/06/6878/

Published on Wednesday, February 6, 2008 by TedRall.com
Puffing up John McCain, POW
by Ted Rall

“A proven leader, and a man of integrity,” the New York Post called John McCain in its editorial endorsement. “A naval aviator shot down over North Vietnam and held as a POW, McCain knew that freedom was his for the taking. All he had to do was denounce his country. He refused–and, as a consequence, suffered years of unrelenting torture.”

This standard summary of McCain’s five and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton, repeated in thousands of media accounts during his 2000 campaign and again this election year, is the founding myth of his political career. The tale of John McCain, War Hero prompts a lot of people turned off by his politics–liberals and traditional conservatives alike–to support him. Who cares that he “doesn’t really understand economics”? He’s got a great story to tell.

Scratch the surface of McCain’s captivity narrative, however, and a funny thing happens: his heroism blows away like the rust from a vintage POW bracelet.

In the fall of 1967 McCain was flying bombing runs over North Vietnam from the U.S.S. Oriskany, an aircraft carrier in the South China Sea. On October 26, the 31-year-old pilot was part of a 20-plane squadron assigned to destroy infrastructure in the North Vietnamese capital. He flew his A-4 Skyhawk over downtown Hanoi toward his target, a power plant. As he pulled up after releasing his bombs, his fighter jet was hit by a surface-to-air missile. A wing came off. McCain’s plane plunged into Truc Bach Lake.

Mai Van On, a 50-year-old resident of Hanoi, watched the crash and left the safety of his air-raid shelter to rescue him. Other Vietnamese tried to stop him. “Why do you want to go out and rescue our enemy?” they yelled. Ignoring his countrymen, On grabbed a pole and swam to the spot where McCain’s plane had gone down in 16 feet of water. McCain had managed to free himself from the wrecked plane but was stuck underwater, ensnared by his parachute. On used his pole to untangle the ropes and pull the semi-conscious pilot to the surface. McCain was in bad shape, having broken his arm and a leg in several places.

McCain is lucky the locals didn’t finish him off. U.S. bombs had killed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese civilians, many in Hanoi. Ultimately between one and two million innocents would be shredded, impaled, blown to bits and dissolved by American bombs. Now that one of their tormentors had fallen into their hands, they had a rare chance to get even. “About 40 people were standing there,” On later recalled. “They were about to rush him with their fists and stones. I asked them not to kill him. He was beaten for a while before I could stop them.” He was turned over to local policemen, who transferred him to the military.

What if one of the hijackers who destroyed the World Trade Center had somehow crash-landed in the Hudson River? How long would he have lasted? Would anyone have risked his life to rescue him?

An impolite question: If a war is immoral, can those who fight in it–even those who demonstrate courage–be heroes? If the answer is yes, was Reagan wrong to honor the SS buried at Bitburg? No less than Iraq, Vietnam was an undeclared, illegal war of aggression that did nothing to keep America safe. Tens of millions of Americans felt that way. Millions marched against the war; tens of thousands of young men fled the country to avoid the draft. McCain, on the other hand, volunteered.

McCain knew that what he was doing was wrong. Three months before he fell into that Hanoi lake, he barely survived when his fellow sailors accidentally fired a missile at his plane while it was getting ready to take off from his ship. The blast set off bombs and ordnance across the deck of the aircraft carrier. The conflagration, which took 24 hours to bring under control, killed 132 sailors. A few days later, a shaken McCain told a New York Times reporter in Saigon: “Now that I’ve seen what the bombs and the napalm did to the people on our ship, I’m not so sure that I want to drop any more of that stuff on North Vietnam.”

Yet he did.

“I am a war criminal,” McCain said on “60 Minutes” in 1997. “I bombed innocent women and children.” Although it came too late to save the Vietnamese he’d killed 30 years earlier, it was a brave statement. Nevertheless, he smiles agreeably as he hears himself described as a “war hero” as he arrives at rallies in a bus marked “No Surrender.”

McCain’s tragic flaw: He knows the right thing. He often sets out to do the right thing. But he doesn’t follow through. We saw McCain’s weak character in 2000, when the Bush campaign defeated him in the crucial South Carolina primary by smearing his family. Placing his presidential ambitions first, he swallowed his pride, set aside his honor, and campaigned for Bush against Al Gore. It came up again in 2005, when McCain used his POW experience as a POW to convince Congress to pass, and Bush to sign, a law outlawing torture of detainees at Guantánamo and other camps. But when Bush issued one of his infamous “signing statements” giving himself the right to continue torturing–in effect, negating McCain’s law–he remained silent, sucking up to Bush again.

McCain’s North Vietnamese captors demanded that he confess to war crimes. “Every two hours,” according to a 2007 profile in the Arizona Republic, “one guard would hold McCain while two others beat him. They kept it up for four days…His right leg, injured when he was shot down, was horribly swollen. A guard yanked him to his feet and threw him down. His left arm smashed against a bucket and broke again.”

McCain later recalled that he was at the point of suicide. But he was no Jean Moulin, the French Resistance leader who refused to talk under torture, and killed himself. According to “The Nightingale’s Song,” a book by Robert Timberg, “[McCain] looked at the louvered cell window high above his head, then at the small stool in the room.” He took off his dark blue prison shirt, rolled it like a rope, draped one end over his shoulder near his neck, began feeding the other end through the louvers.” He was too slow. A guard entered and pulled him away from the window.

I’ve never been tortured. I have no idea what I’d do. Of course, I’d like to think that I could resist or at least commit suicide before giving up information. Odds are, however, that I’d crack. Most people do. And so did McCain. “I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate,” McCain wrote in his confession. “I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors.”

It wasn’t the first time McCain broke under pressure. After his capture, wrote the Republic, “He was placed in a cell and told he would not receive any medical treatment until he gave military information. McCain refused and was beaten unconscious. On the fourth day, two guards entered McCain’s cell. One pulled back the blanket to reveal McCain’s injured knee. ‘It was about the size, shape and color of a football,’ McCain recalled. Fearful of blood poisoning that would lead to death, McCain told his captors he would talk if they took him to a hospital.”

McCain has always been truthful about his behavior as a POW, but he has been more than willing to allow others to lie on his behalf. “A proven leader, and a man of integrity,” The New York Post says, and he’s happy to take it. “All he had to do was denounce his country. He refused…” Not really. He did denounce his country. But he didn’t demand a retraction.

It’s the old tragic flaw: McCain knows what he ought to do. He starts to do the right thing. But John McCain is a weak man who puts his career goals first.

Green Lantern
February 10th, 2008, 9:09:25 PM
Our very own Ahmadinejad.

ticatfan3
February 11th, 2008, 12:17:23 PM
ted rall HAHAHAHAHA
THE BUCK-NAKED BIGOTRY OF TED RALL
By Michelle Malkin • July 8, 2004 01:48 AM Ted “Bottom-feeder” Rall is at it again. His latest crude-toon includes a frame depicting Condoleezza Rice proclaiming herself Bush’s “HOUSE *****.” A black man demands that Rice “HAND OVER HER HAIR STRAIGHTENER.” His t-shirt reads “YOU’RE NOT WHITE, STUPID.” The caption below the frame reads “SENT TO INNER-CITY RACIAL RE-EDUCATION CAMP.”

I am not going to call for a boycott of Rall’s work. No. I want Universal Press Syndicate and the Washington Post and all his other “mainstream” media outlets to keep publishing his pathetic scrawls and scribbles.

Ted Rall, you see, is a very useful idiot. Whereas most on the Left attempt to conceal their liberal racism in the drapery of “diversity” and “multiculturalism,” Ted Rall is an ideological streaker. His impulsive naked bigotry is so butt-ugly, you can’t help but gawk. It is raw and it is real and it is, quite helpfully, all hanging out there for the world to see.

Show us more of your assininity, Ted. Keep dropping your rhetorical pants. Which other minority public figures do you want to mock for having straightened hair? Colin Powell’s wife? Beyonce? Coretta Scott King? Which other independent-thinking, unorthodox minorities do you want to defame for not thinking “white” enough? You wanna send Bill Cosby to “racial re-education camp,” too, huh? Which other minority conservatives are you just itching to tar as “HOUSE *****S” or “HOUSE CHINKS” or “HOUSE SPICS?”

(It’s also valuable, by the way, to see Rall’s mainstream media clients such as the Washington Post continue to stand by him…while at the same time, moan about the lack of civility in public discourse.)

Rall is not the far Left fringe. He gets away with this pen-and-ink-stained excrement because he reflects the closet thinking of mainstream media editors across the country and their mainstream liberal audiences. His work is reportedly carried in 140 newspapers. He and his ilk are everywhere. I grew up with his kind. I went to school with his kind. I work in the media with his kind. I have been getting contempt-filled, profanity-laced, “You-are-a-traitor-to-your-race/You banana/coconut/Aunt Tomasina/white wannabe” diatribes from his kind in my mailbox for the past 12 years.

I’m just glad to see Rall’s kind crawling out from under their rocks and exposing themselves to sunlight. Bask in the glow, miscreants. Ain’t 21st century liberal bigotry liberating? It’s soooo much easier to breathe without those hoods.

***

A special request for you enterprising graphic designers/creative types: How about designing “TED RALL THINKS I’M A HOUSE *****,” “TED RALL THINKS I’M A HOUSE CHINK,” and “TED RALL THINK’S I’M A HOUSE (BANANA/COCONUT/SPIC/FILL-IN-THE-RACIAL-EPITHET) etc., t-shirts? I would also love to see an “I’M NOT ‘WHITE’…I’M RIGHT” t-shirt for all of us minority conservatives who have been Rall-ed by leftist bigots.

If you get something up for sale quick at CafePress or the like (doesn’t need to be fancy, just the plain text slogan would be fine), let me know and I’ll buy ‘em, I’ll wear ‘em, and I’ll plug ‘em.

UPDATE: Wow! My peeps work fast! Rachel Jurado, who blogs at Banana Republican, has launched the “Uncle Tom’s Outreach Initiative” at CafePress with a few of the suggested t-shirts and some of her own original work. (I’m going with the cute pink “I’m not ‘White.’ I’m RIGHT” shirt and one of those “Self-loathing race traitor”” cotton t’s. Also gonna do some early Christmas shopping and snatch up some of those ash-gray “RALL THINKS I’M A HOUSE *****” t’s!)
http://michellemalkin.com/2004/07/08/the-buck-naked-bigotry-of-ted-rall/

shiva2999
February 11th, 2008, 12:39:46 PM
Pardon me while I wipe off Michelle Malkin's spittle.

ticatfan3
February 11th, 2008, 12:43:06 PM
Pardon me while I wipe off Michelle Malkin's spittle.

You're excused.

shiva2999
February 11th, 2008, 12:48:56 PM
You're excused.

I didn't ask to be excused.

http://michellemalkinisanidiot.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/michelle_malkin-game-hi-res.jpg

ticatfan3
February 11th, 2008, 1:12:53 PM
I didn't ask to be excused.

http://michellemalkinisanidiot.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/michelle_malkin-game-hi-res.jpgYou don't have to, I am just a polite person. It is the way I was brought up.

shiva2999
February 11th, 2008, 1:22:51 PM
You don't have to, I am just a polite person. It is the way I was brought up.

Too bad you weren't raised to understand what presumptuous means.

ticatfan3
February 11th, 2008, 3:28:36 PM
Too bad you weren't raised to understand what presumptuous means.Me presumptuous? Are you sure you did not get me mixed up with someone else,like..................... you,maybe?

shiva2999
February 11th, 2008, 3:33:35 PM
Me presumptuous? Are you sure you did not get me mixed up with someone else,like..................... you,maybe?

Nope.

No mix up.

ticatfan3
February 11th, 2008, 3:55:28 PM
Nope.

No mix up.You better check your facts,it can't be me. I am the nicest guy on the board.

pmoon6
February 11th, 2008, 4:02:39 PM
You better check your facts,it can't be me. I am the nicest guy on the board.You didn't win the nicest poster award so you must be in error.:D

ticatfan3
February 11th, 2008, 4:06:40 PM
You didn't win the nicest poster award so you must be in error.:DYou must be nominated to win, and if I was ,I would win. But we will never know because I never get nominated for anything.

pmoon6
February 11th, 2008, 4:15:41 PM
You must be nominated to win, and if I was ,I would win. But we will never know because I never get nominated for anything.I'll make sure you are nominated next year.

Then it's up to the General Assembly.

shiva2999
February 11th, 2008, 5:23:06 PM
http://amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/cover.html

February 11, 2008 Issue
Copyright © 2008 The American Conservative

The Madness of John McCain

A militarist suffering from acute narcissism and armed with the Bush Doctrine is not fit to be commander in chief.

by Justin Raimondo

John McCain’s reputation as a maverick is no recent contrivance. The senator first captured the media spotlight in September 1983, not long after he’d been elected to his first term in the House, when he voted against President Reagan’s decision to put American troops in Lebanon as part of a multinational “peacekeeping” force. One of 27 Republicans to break with the White House, the freshman McCain made a floor speech that reads as if it might have been written yesterday—by Ron Paul:

...more...

uppy
February 11th, 2008, 5:47:31 PM
McCain may be insane but he is still better then Barack Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton

JoeMama
February 11th, 2008, 6:38:47 PM
I usually like Ted Rall, but this article reads like a swift-boat piece.

Rall chastises McCain as though he's personally responsible for the orders he was forced to carry out at the behest of immoral leaders in an immoral war.

The blood of the Vietnam War is on the hands of the politicians who sent us there.

Not the troops who were forced to kill, be killed, or be imprisoned if they objected.

I don't know if Rall is familiar with the military, but it's not an environment where you can tell you're superiors "No" if you don't like your mission. You do what you're told. No questions, no second guessing, none of that.

Rall also criticizes McCain for doing what he had to do in order to survive as a POW. Rall admits he probably would have done the same thing in McCain's position but it sounds disingenuous and contrived; like he's trying to cover his tracks for pulling the "tough guy" card - insinuating that McCain should have withstood more torture than he did. Which is an absurd lecture to lay on a veteran. Don't tell him what he should have done. You weren't there. You draw cartoons for a living, you don't get tortured for a living.

Anyway, I don't understand why Rall would pull the tough guy card after years of making fun of Generalissimo Bush for it. It's hypocritical.

What happened in Vietnam isn't something I'll hold against McCain.

It's the rest of his bat-shit insane beliefs I'll hold in contempt. Not what he was forced to do 40 years ago by the American government.

shiva2999
February 11th, 2008, 6:50:53 PM
I usually like Ted Rall, but this article reads like a swift-boat piece.

Rall chastises McCain as though he's personally responsible for the orders he was forced to carry out at the behest of immoral leaders in an immoral war.

The blood of the Vietnam War is on the hands of the politicians who sent us there.

Not the troops who were forced to kill, be killed, or be imprisoned if they objected.

I don't know if Rall is familiar with the military, but it's not an environment where you can tell you're superiors "No" if you don't like your mission. You do what you're told. No questions, no second guessing, none of that.

Rall also criticizes McCain for doing what he had to do in order to survive as a POW. Rall admits he probably would have done the same thing in McCain's position but it sounds disingenuous and contrived; like he's trying to cover his tracks for pulling the "tough guy" card - insinuating that McCain should have withstood more torture than he did. Which is an absurd lecture to lay on a veteran. Don't tell him what he should have done. You weren't there. You draw cartoons for a living, you don't get tortured for a living.

Anyway, I don't understand why Rall would pull the tough guy card after years of making fun of Generalissimo Bush for it. It's hypocritical.

What happened in Vietnam isn't something I'll hold against McCain.

It's the rest of his bat-shit insane beliefs I hold in contempt. Not what he was forced to do 40 years ago by the American government.

McCain volunteered.

Plus it is McCain who is pimping his POW status as a reason to vote for him.

Rall is just pointing out his hypocrisy.

WhiteRabbit
February 11th, 2008, 6:55:35 PM
:popcorn:

:D

JoeMama
February 11th, 2008, 7:03:12 PM
McCain volunteered.

Plus it is McCain who is pimping his POW status as a reason to vote for him.

Rall is just pointing out his hypocrisy.

Look, McCain's a former POW that voted for torture. Clearly the guy isn't all with it.

But Rall doesn't illustrate these points very well at times.

He did the same thing a few years ago to Pat Tillman.

He made Tillman sound like Arab hating lunatic who wanted to join the army just so he could kill stuff in Iraq.

It's not like Rall knew Tillman's intentions for volunteering any better than McCain's.

Whether a person volunteers or not, they're still subject to the same unquestionable whims of their superiors.

John Kerry volunteered for three tours of duty. I don't hold him personally responsible for the awful shit that happened in Vietnam either.

uppy
February 11th, 2008, 7:18:37 PM
John Kerry volunteered for three tours of duty

Ummmmmmm......Joe do you have a link for this ?

shiva2999
February 11th, 2008, 7:19:39 PM
Look, McCain's a former POW that voted for torture. Clearly the guy isn't all with it.

But Rall doesn't illustrate these points very well at times.

He did the same thing a few years ago to Pat Tillman.

He made Tillman sound like Arab hating lunatic who wanted to join the army just so he could kill stuff in Iraq.

It's not like Rall knew Tillman's intentions for volunteering any better than McCain's.

Whether a person volunteers or not, they're still subject to the same unquestionable whims of their superiors.

John Kerry volunteered for three tours of duty. I don't hold him personally responsible for the awful shit that happened in Vietnam either.

I thought McCain voted against torture? Isn't that part of his "maverick" cred that centrists love about him?

Plus, since Rall's piece about Tillman was written during the gov't and NFL's hype about Tillman glorious service, it's hard to compare that with something written after 20 year's perspective. I doubt Ted Rall would stand by his previous piece knowing what we know now about Tillman.

And it seems Kerry held himself personally responsible for Vietnam when he tossed his medals.

I'm surprised you'd embrace the "we were only following orders" excuse.

Green Lantern
February 11th, 2008, 7:43:06 PM
Ummmmmmm......Joe do you have a link for this ?

As he was graduating from Yale, John Kerry volunteered to serve in Vietnam, because, as he later said, "it was the right thing to do." He believed that “to whom much is given, much is required.” And he felt he had an obligation to give something back to his country. John Kerry served two tours of duty. On his second tour, he volunteered to serve on a Swift Boat in the river deltas, one of the most dangerous assignments of the war. For his leadership, courage, and sacrifice under fire, he was decorated with a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V, and three Purple Hearts.

http://kerry.senate.gov/about/biography.cfm

Green Lantern
February 11th, 2008, 7:43:49 PM
Name: John Forbes Kerry
Birth date: December 11, 1943
Education: Bachelor's degree, Yale University, 1966; law degree, Boston College, 1976
Military Service: Navy, 1966-1970; Naval Reserves, 1972-1978

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/candidates/kerry.new.html

ticatfan3
February 12th, 2008, 12:19:14 PM
http://amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/cover.html

February 11, 2008 Issue
Copyright © 2008 The American Conservative

The Madness of John McCain

A militarist suffering from acute narcissism and armed with the Bush Doctrine is not fit to be commander in chief.

by Justin Raimondo

John McCain’s reputation as a maverick is no recent contrivance. The senator first captured the media spotlight in September 1983, not long after he’d been elected to his first term in the House, when he voted against President Reagan’s decision to put American troops in Lebanon as part of a multinational “peacekeeping” force. One of 27 Republicans to break with the White House, the freshman McCain made a floor speech that reads as if it might have been written yesterday—by Ron Paul:

...more...
Justin Raimondo HAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.tomgpalmer.com/archives/020009.php

shiva2999
February 12th, 2008, 12:33:02 PM
Justin Raimondo HAHAHAHAHAHA
http://www.tomgpalmer.com/archives/020009.php

Tom Palmer? Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!

Some dork from the Cato Institute with a bug up his ass about some disputed memo from Krydjistan?

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!


http://www.tomgpalmer.com/

On the Road a Bit

http://www.tomgpalmer.com/images/Penn%20%26%20Teller.jpg
I’ll be off to Las Vegas, not my favorite city (but I do know cultured people who like it; I just don’t see why) for some meetings. I hope to be able to visit Cato Institute H. L. Mencken Fellows Penn & Teller along with a big group of libertarians.

Posted by Tom Palmer at 7:58 AM

pmoon6
February 12th, 2008, 12:44:24 PM
Look, McCain's a former POW that voted for torture. Clearly the guy isn't all with it.

But Rall doesn't illustrate these points very well at times.

He did the same thing a few years ago to Pat Tillman.

He made Tillman sound like Arab hating lunatic who wanted to join the army just so he could kill stuff in Iraq.

It's not like Rall knew Tillman's intentions for volunteering any better than McCain's.

Whether a person volunteers or not, they're still subject to the same unquestionable whims of their superiors.

John Kerry volunteered for three tours of duty. I don't hold him personally responsible for the awful shit that happened in Vietnam either.Bullshit. He was only in country for less than five months. He was transfered stateside for another 6 months, then he requested and was granted an early discharge to run for Congress. He drops his bid a month later. Joins Vietnam Veterans against the War 6 months later.