Mike Mayock's Position Rankings [Archive] - The Buffalo Range, where the Buffalo fans roam!

admarc

January 22nd, 2008, 1:42:07 PM

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Offense Defense <TABLE width="100%" _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR _extended="true"><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 QBs:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Matt Ryan
</TD><TD _extended="true">Boston College
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2.</TD><TD _extended="true">Brian Brohm
</TD><TD _extended="true">Louisville
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Andre Woodson
</TD><TD _extended="true">Kentucky
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Chad Henne
</TD><TD _extended="true">Michigan
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Joe Flacco
</TD><TD _extended="true">Delaware
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">Wild card</TD><TD _extended="true">Dennis Dixon
</TD><TD _extended="true">Oregon
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD><TD _extended="true"> </TD><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 DL:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Glenn Dorsey
</TD><TD _extended="true">LSU
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2.</TD><TD _extended="true">Sedrick Ellis
</TD><TD _extended="true">USC
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Chris Long
</TD><TD _extended="true">Virginia
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Kentwan Balmer
</TD><TD _extended="true">North Carolina
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Marcus Harrison
</TD><TD _extended="true">Arkansas
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 WRs:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Limas Sweed
</TD><TD _extended="true">Texas
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Donnie Avery
</TD><TD _extended="true">Houston
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Early Doucet
</TD><TD _extended="true">LSU
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Adarius Bowman
</TD><TD _extended="true">Oklahoma State
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Jordy Nelson
</TD><TD _extended="true">Kansas State
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD><TD _extended="true"> </TD><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 OL:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Jake Long
</TD><TD _extended="true">Michigan
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2.</TD><TD _extended="true">Jeffrey Otah
</TD><TD _extended="true">Pittsburgh
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Gosder Cherilus
</TD><TD _extended="true">Boston College
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Sam Baker
</TD><TD _extended="true">USC
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Chris Williams
</TD><TD _extended="true">Vanderbilt
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 TEs:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">John Carlson
</TD><TD _extended="true">Notre Dame
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2.</TD><TD _extended="true">Fred Davis
</TD><TD _extended="true">USC
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Dustin Keller
</TD><TD _extended="true">Purdue
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Martin Rucker
</TD><TD _extended="true">Missouri
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Jacob Tamme
</TD><TD _extended="true">Kentucky
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD><TD _extended="true"> </TD><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 LBs:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Keith Rivers
</TD><TD _extended="true">USC
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2.</TD><TD _extended="true">Ali Highsmith
</TD><TD _extended="true">LSU
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Dan Connor
</TD><TD _extended="true">Penn State
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Philip Wheeler
</TD><TD _extended="true">Georiga Tech
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Jordon Dizon
</TD><TD _extended="true">Colorado
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 RBs:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Chris Johnson
</TD><TD _extended="true">East Carolina
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2.</TD><TD _extended="true">Mike Hart
</TD><TD _extended="true">Michigan
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Matt Forte
</TD><TD _extended="true">Tulane
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Tashard Choice
</TD><TD _extended="true">Georgia Tech
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Dantrell Savage
</TD><TD _extended="true">Oklahoma State
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD><TD _extended="true"> </TD><TD _extended="true"><TABLE class=standard_table cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width=250 align=right border=0 _extended="true"><TBODY _extended="true"><TR class=major_header _extended="true"><TD colSpan=3 _extended="true">Mayock's top 5 DBs:</TD></TR><TR _extended="true"><TH align=middle _extended="true">Rank</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">Player</TH><TH align=middle _extended="true">College</TH></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">1.</TD><TD _extended="true">Mike Jenkins
</TD><TD _extended="true">South Florida
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">2.</TD><TD _extended="true">Leodis McKelvin
</TD><TD _extended="true">Troy
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">3.</TD><TD _extended="true">Patrick Lee
</TD><TD _extended="true">Auburn
</TD></TR><TR class=ltblueback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">4.</TD><TD _extended="true">Trae Williams
</TD><TD _extended="true">South Florida
</TD></TR><TR class=whiteback _extended="true"><TD _extended="true">5.</TD><TD _extended="true">Tracy Porter
</TD><TD _extended="true">Indiana
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

admarc

January 22nd, 2008, 1:47:25 PM

At the Senior Bowl he posted slightly different rankings so I will update when tehy post it. He had Chenne up to #2 at QB. I think he also had Rivers and Connor 1 & 2.

treydawg

January 22nd, 2008, 2:00:10 PM

I thought he had Connor ahead of Rivers. Ali Highsmith ahead of Connor :rofl:

FknGvna

January 22nd, 2008, 2:18:01 PM

yeah right. But I'll make my assessment when I see these guys in coverage.

admarc

January 22nd, 2008, 2:27:04 PM

I thought he had Connor ahead of Rivers. Ali Highsmith ahead of Connor :rofl:

Yes he does now. I didn't mean respectively, I just meant they were his top two with Highsmith down to 3 I believe.

btw, they have the clip of the film break down on Connor. I updated Connor's profile with a blurb, his bio and some highlight clip links.

Here's the link to the Mayock (http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d806276e2)film breakdown on Connor and to his Range profile: http://www.buffalorange.com/showthread.php?t=114501

Trey, I am curious your opinion on where you think Connor best fits. Mayock said he thinks he is best outside. I tend to think his best spot would be inside in a 3-4. I do think he can play any LB position because of his instincts and tackling ability but what would be the best spot for him? If the Bills drafted him, would you put him at will and leave Poz in the middle and Crow at Sam or mix things up?

treydawg

January 22nd, 2008, 2:43:11 PM

I think Connor is best suited inside but physically he needs to be outside. I'm not really sure how much more he can add to his frame as he isn't really built like Poz. Naturally, I think he's better in the middle. As I said before, I think Poz is better suited outside as well. I'd have to get a scouts perspective on what they think he can add to his frame before I'd say he's ready to anchor the middle. If they think he can add some bulk, I'd keep him inside and then move Poz outside.

treydawg

January 22nd, 2008, 2:44:24 PM

BTW, despite his build, Connor gets off blocks awesome. He uses the blocker as a sort of shield where he will slide off them at the last minute to make a tackle. Watch his technique in the Senior Bowl, it's quite impressive.

admarc

January 22nd, 2008, 2:59:42 PM

BTW, despite his build, Connor gets off blocks awesome. He uses the blocker as a sort of shield where he will slide off them at the last minute to make a tackle. Watch his technique in the Senior Bowl, it's quite impressive.

I agree he does a great job sliding until the RB makes his cut upfield. The Mayock clip shows some great examples of what your talking about.

I think I'd rather keep Poz inside and move him to will. Poz is a brick wall in the middle. I really think the Bills run defense will be much improved next year simply by getting him back on the field.

I think Connor is better suited inside in a 3-4 where he can blitz and play more downhill and will have some big bodies in front to shield him from blockers.

treydawg

January 22nd, 2008, 3:05:41 PM

I think you're right about him being a good fit as a 3-4 inside backer. Also, I started warming up to Poz in the middle as he really is a tackling machine there. I can't wait to see what he does this year.

TheAnswer74

January 22nd, 2008, 3:54:38 PM

Mike Jenkins in Buffalo blue is going to look very nice.

FknGvna

January 22nd, 2008, 5:50:44 PM

I'm Dan Connor, and I approve this message.

You don't hear any talk about Laurinitus any more. Now watch the Pats get my boy in the middle. Cuffers.

GvilleBill

January 22nd, 2008, 7:26:56 PM

Are these senior only ranks?

treydawg

January 22nd, 2008, 7:59:55 PM

Are these senior only ranks?

Yep

FknGvna

January 22nd, 2008, 8:08:28 PM

Posted: 2 hours 7 minutes ago
Mike Mayock's draft prospect rankings (updated Jan. 19)

By Mike Mayock | NFL Network

Offense Defense
Mayock's top 5 QBs:
Rank Player College
1.
Matt Ryan

Boston College
2.
Chad Henne

Michigan
3.
Brian Brohm

Louisville
4.
Andre Woodson

Kentucky
5.
Joe Flacco

Delaware
Wild card
Dennis Dixon

Oregon

Mayock's top 5 DEs:
Rank Player College
1.
Chris Long

Virginia
2.
Vernon Gholston

Ohio State
3.
Derrick Harvey

Florida
4.
Phillip Merling

Clemson
5.
Calais Campbell

Miami (Fla.)
Mayock's top 5 WRs:
Rank Player College
1.
Mario Manningham

Michigan
2.
Malcolm Kelly

Oklahoma
3.
Limas Sweed

Texas
4.
Devin Thomas

Michigan State
5.
Donnie Avery

Houston

Mayock's top 5 DTs:
Rank Player College
1.
Glenn Dorsey

LSU
2.
Sedrick Ellis

USC
3.
Kentwan Balmer

North Carolina
4.
Letroy Guion

Florida State
5.
Marcus Harrison

Arkansas
Mayock's top 5 TEs:
Rank Player College
1.
John Carlson

Notre Dame
2.
Fred Davis

USC
3.
Dustin Keller

Purdue
4.
Martellus Bennett

Texas A&M
5.
Jermichael Finley

Texas

Mayock's top 5 ILBs:
Rank Player College
1.
Curtis Lofton

Oklahoma
2.
Jerod Mayo

Tennessee
3.
Spencer Larsen

Arizona
4.
Jolonn Dunbar

Boston College
5.
Philip Wheeler

Georgia Tech
Mayock's top 5 RBs:
Rank Player College
1.
Darren McFadden

Arkansas
2.
Jonathan Stewart

Oregon
3.
Rashard Mendenhall

Illinois
4.
Felix Jones

Arkansas
5.
Jamaal Charles

Texas

Mayock's top 5 OLBs:
Rank Player College
1.
Dan Connor

Penn State
2.
Keith Rivers

USC
3.
Erin Henderson

Maryland
4.
Ali Highsmith

LSU
5.
Geno Hayes

Florida State
Mayock's top 5 OTs:
Rank Player College
1.
Jake Long

Michigan
2.
Ryan Clady

Boise State
3.
Jeff Otah

Pittsburgh
4.
Gosder Cherilus

Boston College
5.
Chris Williams

Vanderbilt

Mayock's top 5 CBs:
Rank Player College
1.
Leodis McKelvin

Troy
2.
Mike Jenkins

South Florida
3.
Patrick Lee

Auburn
4.
Jack Ikegwuono

South Florida
5.
Aqib Talib

Kansas
Mayock's top 5 interior OL:
Rank Player College
1.
Brandon Albert

Arkansas
2.
Roy Schuening

Oregon State
3.
Steve Justice

Wake Forest
4.
Mike Pollak

Arizona State
5.
Chilo Rachal

USC

Mayock's top 5 Safeties:
Rank Player College
1.
DaJuan Morgan

N.C. State
2.
Kenny Phillips

Miami (Fla.)
3.
Thomas DeCoud

Auburn
4.
Marcus Griffin

Texas
5.
Tyrell Johnson

Arkansas State

kdhammond

January 22nd, 2008, 8:09:31 PM

I'm Dan Connor, and I approve this message.

You don't hear any talk about Laurinitus any more. Now watch the Pats get my boy in the middle. Cuffers.

That's because Laurinitus - a junior - did not declare for the draft.

FknGvna

January 22nd, 2008, 8:14:15 PM

I'm talkin about all the draftsites, wait he might have went back. Gotta check.

kdhammond

January 22nd, 2008, 8:25:06 PM

I realize it is early and rankings change significantly over the next 2+ months. I also realize that different "scouts" have different opinions.

However, the opinions (that the public has access to) that I put the most weight on is
Russ Lande of GM Jr and Sporting News. Lande has worked as an NFL scout for St Lous
and Cleveland. I tend to believe him more than guys who have no training or qualifications like Mayok. That doesn't necessarily mean Mayok is wrong all the time or that Lande is right all the time, but on-balance, I'd go with Lande's opinion.

That being said, here are some observations regarding Mayok's rankings based on Lande's current opinions and what I've read elsewhere.

John Carlson is the top TE??? The estimates of his time that I've seen are around 4.9 for the 40. Tons of LBs are faster than that. On top of that, Carlson had a weak SR year and isn't over-whelmingly big at 255ish.

Mario Manningham is the top WR?? Manningham is neither big nor especially fast. Where is Early Doucett? I guess Mayok hasn't accounted for Jrs yet.

What is so great about Limas Sweed? Here is a guy who caught 19 passes his last season in college. Yes, he is big for a WR, but his estimated speed is not great (OK, but not great) at 4.55. I sure as heck hope the Bills don't draft a WR in the first 2 rounds that caught 19 passes his last year in college.

I am not seeing this draft stack up well for the Bills first pick, particularly at their positions of need. If they are lucky Keith Rivers will be available when they pick. Based on what I've read, Conner won't go in round 1. They very likely will miss out on the only
2 DTs worth a turd in the draft in Dorsey and Ellis. I am not on-board with Dre Moore or Kentwan Balmer. Heck, I'd just as soon they bring Tim Anderson back as waste a pick on Moore or Balmer.

FWIW at this point, it looks like a CB is going to be head and shoulders the best player available at #11. While the Bills could sure use another CB, I don't think it is nearly as pressing a need as a good DT or LB. Unfortunately, there isn't much at DT after Dorsey and Ellis and the pickings are very slim at LB in round 1.

FknGvna

January 22nd, 2008, 8:25:31 PM

James Laurinaitis, one of the most decorated linebackers in Ohio State history, announced today he will return for his senior season.

The two-time All-American and winner of the Nagurski Trophy (2006) and Butkus Award (2007) is passing up a chance to be selected in the first 15 picks of the NFL draft, according to most projections.

"I know I can still improve as a player, and I know there is still much more to me and for the Buckeyes to accomplish," Laurinaitis said in a statement. "There are a lot of things that money can't buy, and some of those things are the experiences of a senior season. Going through those things with my teammates next year is what I look forward to the most."

The announcement means OSU will return 18 starters next season. Barring a last-minute change of heart or a big surprise, the only junior to leave early will be defensive end Vernon Gholston.

In the past four days, cornerback Malcolm Jenkins, receiver Brian Robiskie, linebacker Marcus Freeman and left tackle Alex Boone all announced they will stay for their senior seasons.

Laurinaitis was the 2007 Big Ten defensive player of the year, leading the Buckeyes with 121 tackles. He set a national championship game record last Monday with 18 tackles in a loss to Louisiana State.

Source http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/football/stories/2008/01/14/jl.html?sid=101

I C.

FknGvna

January 24th, 2008, 9:50:39 AM

I am not seeing this draft stack up well for the Bills first pick, particularly at their positions of need. If they are lucky Keith Rivers will be available when they pick. Based on what I've read, Conner won't go in round 1. They very likely will miss out on the only
2 DTs worth a turd in the draft in Dorsey and Ellis. I am not on-board with Dre Moore or Kentwan Balmer. Heck, I'd just as soon they bring Tim Anderson back as waste a pick on Moore or Balmer.

FWIW at this point, it looks like a CB is going to be head and shoulders the best player available at #11. While the Bills could sure use another CB, I don't think it is nearly as pressing a need as a good DT or LB. Unfortunately, there isn't much at DT after Dorsey and Ellis and the pickings are very slim at LB in round 1.

Time to rethink that huh?

FinNasty

January 24th, 2008, 10:18:15 AM

Its incredible how little love Kevin Smith is getting right now...

If he falls and goes as the 6th or 7th RB in this draft... I will shit a brick. I mean, Jammal Charles?!? Hes fast. Thats about it...

24k is going to be the STEAL of the draft. 3rd round? Are you kidding? The Fins better grab him if he is there that late...

Callaway

January 24th, 2008, 11:43:31 AM

There is no way C.Henne is the second best QB in this draft.

stepsukie

January 24th, 2008, 11:47:45 AM

greg carr is not mentioned anywhere on teh interwebz...he's gonna be a force...

Callaway

January 24th, 2008, 11:49:19 AM

I realize it is early and rankings change significantly over the next 2+ months. I also realize that different "scouts" have different opinions.

However, the opinions (that the public has access to) that I put the most weight on is
Russ Lande of GM Jr and Sporting News. Lande has worked as an NFL scout for St Lous
and Cleveland. I tend to believe him more than guys who have no training or qualifications like Mayok. That doesn't necessarily mean Mayok is wrong all the time or that Lande is right all the time, but on-balance, I'd go with Lande's opinion.

That being said, here are some observations regarding Mayok's rankings based on Lande's current opinions and what I've read elsewhere.

John Carlson is the top TE??? The estimates of his time that I've seen are around 4.9 for the 40. Tons of LBs are faster than that. On top of that, Carlson had a weak SR year and isn't over-whelmingly big at 255ish.

Mario Manningham is the top WR?? Manningham is neither big nor especially fast. Where is Early Doucett? I guess Mayok hasn't accounted for Jrs yet.

What is so great about Limas Sweed? Here is a guy who caught 19 passes his last season in college. Yes, he is big for a WR, but his estimated speed is not great (OK, but not great) at 4.55. I sure as heck hope the Bills don't draft a WR in the first 2 rounds that caught 19 passes his last year in college.

I am not seeing this draft stack up well for the Bills first pick, particularly at their positions of need. If they are lucky Keith Rivers will be available when they pick. Based on what I've read, Conner won't go in round 1. They very likely will miss out on the only
2 DTs worth a turd in the draft in Dorsey and Ellis. I am not on-board with Dre Moore or Kentwan Balmer. Heck, I'd just as soon they bring Tim Anderson back as waste a pick on Moore or Balmer.

FWIW at this point, it looks like a CB is going to be head and shoulders the best player available at #11. While the Bills could sure use another CB, I don't think it is nearly as pressing a need as a good DT or LB. Unfortunately, there isn't much at DT after Dorsey and Ellis and the pickings are very slim at LB in round 1.

I'm not a big fan of the sporting news. Keep in mind places like that will tag a name like Lande to there scouting reports but they have a staff of english majors writing scouting reports for players outside the top 25(How do I know this? My Wifes cousin works for there publishing company). Also I remember somebody posting a ranking from a scout that had 30 years experiance last year and had Willis behind both Poz and Beason. I think we all know how that turned out

Manningham is a Junior and I agree he isnt the top WR in this class. Sweed was hurt last year. +100000000000000000 on K.Rivers, hes the man

treydawg

January 24th, 2008, 11:55:58 AM

Connor won't go in the first round? You're nuts.

FinNasty

January 24th, 2008, 12:18:24 PM

Connor won't go in the first round? You're nuts.

Well, he wont "technically"...

But he will still be the 32nd pick in the draft... ;)

treydawg

January 24th, 2008, 1:29:02 PM

Don't do that to me Fin, I'll shoot myself. It was bad enough worrying about Poz going to the Pats last year.

FinNasty

January 24th, 2008, 2:08:42 PM

Don't do that to me Fin, I'll shoot myself. It was bad enough worrying about Poz going to the Pats last year.

Then you better pray that Conner gets drafted in the first 31 picks... ;)

Because if he falls to 32... he will be rocking aqua & orange for the duration of his career... :cool3:

Buffalo1

January 24th, 2008, 2:24:17 PM

I am sure Dan would be ecstatic about that *sarcasm*

FinNasty

January 24th, 2008, 2:57:22 PM

I am sure Dan would be ecstatic about that *sarcasm*

I dont know about ecstatic... but I think he would be pretty pleased. I mean, he would get paid a ton of money, possibly learn under Zach pending if he comes back or not, and most important... he would get to live in beautiful Miami.

Its a hell of a lot better than living in a place like Cleveland or something...

Buffalo1

January 24th, 2008, 4:14:25 PM

I dont know about ecstatic... but I think he would be pretty pleased. I mean, he would get paid a ton of money, possibly learn under Zach pending if he comes back or not, and most important... he would get to live in beautiful Miami.

Its a hell of a lot better than living in a place like Cleveland or something...

he will get paid alot of money regardless and DC doesn't like hot weather, he wants to be in a real football town.

FinNasty

January 24th, 2008, 4:20:00 PM

he will get paid alot of money regardless and DC doesn't like hot weather, he wants to be in a real football town.

lol

twosheds

January 24th, 2008, 4:26:03 PM

Also I remember somebody posting a ranking from a scout that had 30 years experiance last year and had Willis behind both Poz and Beason. I think we all know how that turned out

In the end, noone is always right when it comes to the draft. But Poz was injured and Beason played a fantastic season. From a 4-3 standpoint, I see nothing wrong with that order.

FinNasty

January 24th, 2008, 5:11:02 PM

In the end, noone is always right when it comes to the draft. But Poz was injured and Beason played a fantastic season. From a 4-3 standpoint, I see nothing wrong with that order.

You dont think that Willis would be just as good in a 4-3 scheme?

I disagree with you... I would have Willis as the #1 ILB... regardless of the scheme...

treydawg

January 24th, 2008, 5:16:38 PM

You dont think that Willis would be just as good in a 4-3 scheme?

I disagree with you... I would have Willis as the #1 ILB... regardless of the scheme...

Poz was leading the whole league in tackles before he got injured. Give the kid a chance to play.

twosheds

January 24th, 2008, 5:21:26 PM

I disagree with you... I would have Willis as the #1 ILB... regardless of the scheme...

Did you see Beason play? I saw both and I don't think it's set in stone that one is #1 and the other #2. Poz hasn't played enough to make a judgement.

twosheds

January 24th, 2008, 5:23:34 PM

I disagree with you... I would have Willis as the #1 ILB... regardless of the scheme...

Did you see Beason play? I hyped him before the draft, and when I finally saw him play I thought "After all my failues, I finally got one right". :D I don't think it's set in stone that one is #1 and the other #2.

Poz hasn't played enough to make a judgement.

Merk

January 24th, 2008, 6:28:48 PM

Its still early but I would rank them

Willis
Beason
Poz

Willis is what i thought he would be, a Beast. The kid is a machine out there. I mean to lead the league in tackles your rookie season is pretty impressive. Especially on a 5-11 team

Beason had a very good season but didnt get a lot of recognition. I liked him before the draft and would have been fine w/ him at 12

and Poz, well Poz has to stay healthy. The early returns on him were good but if you cant stay healthy it doesnt mean much. Injuries happen there part of the game but i've seen guys who looked real good but couldnt stay on the field. I hope hes not one of thoughs guys