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amt3777
January 16th, 2008, 2:58:52 PM
DeSean Jackson, WR, California

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metsjr25
January 16th, 2008, 3:07:20 PM
I think Jackson is one heck of a receiver... but is he not also under 6ft? I mean do we really need another short receiver? I think we need a red zone threat, one that can jump way the heck up there and score some TDs for us.

Buffalo1
January 16th, 2008, 3:36:38 PM
a WR who runs a 4.2? forty and returns kicks and punts can score just as easily by running by people as a lumbering 6-7 WR going for a jump ball in the endzone. I don't know, I just think this whole height thing is over rated when it comes to WR. Look at Jacksonville's WR corps, they are huge and they still suck.

TallskiWallski83
January 16th, 2008, 4:09:28 PM
we already have a good returner locked up long term in roscoe parrish. we need a big physical wr...dont get me wrong, i think jacksons a hell of a player. But he just doesnt fit what we need.

hello
January 16th, 2008, 4:14:35 PM
He is close to 6'0 isn't he? I wouldnt' mind getting him, especially if we found a good TE threat and a situational reciever to play in the redzone like Wilfork...

kdhammond
January 16th, 2008, 5:57:22 PM
No thanks. Jackson is listed at 170lbs. If that is true, he isn't any heavier than Roscoe Parrish. That is going to cause Jackson problems in the NFL.

Merk
January 16th, 2008, 6:18:30 PM
No thanks. Jackson is listed at 170lbs. If that is true, he isn't any heavier than Roscoe Parrish. That is going to cause Jackson problems in the NFL.


Depends where you look.


I've heard he's closer to 185

Merk
January 16th, 2008, 6:28:44 PM
Jackson wouldnt be my first choice there but I really wouldnt kill the selection

Now on to something else...

Seriously, Balmer, a top 10 pick??? For some reason ESPN and Kiper are on this kids jock and have been all season. While I agree he did have a nice season he didnt have enough of one to erase the three years where he bassically did nothing.

jaymitch84
January 16th, 2008, 6:31:26 PM
Well, they aren't exactly all over his jock...

This is admittedly a bit of a reach, but unfortunately for the Saints this appears to be the area where the elite talent pool runs dry. Laurinaitis and CB Malcolm Jenkins returning to Ohio State could end up affecting the Saints more than any other team in the draft. Cornerback and defensive tackle are New Orleans' biggest need areas and Balmer is the best available prospect at either position. Although Balmer flashes top-10 potential at times, he also could turn out to be another bust in the mold of Jonathan Sullivan, who New Orleans selected sixth overall in 2003 but traded away in 2006 after he failed to live up to his potential.

As for DeSean Jackson...I'd take it. He might not win jump balls in the end zone, but he certainly would make the offense more exciting.

jamiezzz
January 16th, 2008, 6:32:22 PM
good player, bad fit..... I like a WR in 2nd rounder or free agency

ICRockets
January 16th, 2008, 7:04:21 PM
a WR who runs a 4.2? forty and returns kicks and punts can score just as easily by running by people as a lumbering 6-7 WR going for a jump ball in the endzone. I don't know, I just think this whole height thing is over rated when it comes to WR. Look at Jacksonville's WR corps, they are huge and they still suck.

Those huge sucky receivers made some pretty nice catches in the end zone agaisnt New England, don't you think?

I'd like to be able to see my own team do that one day.

slowpokemcgee
January 16th, 2008, 7:47:55 PM
I think we need a tall WR or TE who is a threat in the redzone. If we find a TE I'd love to see Jackson.

Buffalo1
January 16th, 2008, 9:55:44 PM
thats what I have been saying, our big tall target will be our future TE. Oh, and DJ is 6-0 and 180-185lbs, any NFL team could have him @200lbs before the pre season. Now this is not who I would pick in the first but as WR's go in the draft he could be the playmaker. We do have Roscoe but just imagine a taller faster version of Roscoe that catches better, he will be a nightmare to cover.

Buffalo1
January 16th, 2008, 10:04:55 PM
we already have a good returner locked up long term in roscoe parrish. we need a big physical wr...dont get me wrong, i think jacksons a hell of a player. But he just doesnt fit what we need.

We have a punt returner, DJ could return kicks and give TM a break.

Callaway
January 16th, 2008, 10:08:27 PM
I would be absolutely thrilled if thats who we picked in the first round. This kid has been doubled since the moment he stepped on the field at Cal and with good reason, everytime they try single coverage on him he makes them pay big time. He is a flat out playmaker and we need playmakers in the worst way

Everyone on this site is so concerned with height and weight BS. I dont want a tall WR just because hes tall I want a WR THAT CAN GET OPEN and make plays.

Buffalo1
January 16th, 2008, 10:09:06 PM
He is close to 6'0 isn't he? I wouldnt' mind getting him, especially if we found a good TE threat and a situational reciever to play in the redzone like Wilfork...

Wilfork is not fast enough and he is too fat and I heard he had hands like a lineman.

M76
January 16th, 2008, 11:22:14 PM
ahhhhhhhh if we take a WR in the first round.. i'll snap.. a punt returner? under sized??? wtf.. no way no effn way we take this guy.. first round WR is a waste.. we have a "#1" we need a possession/big target WR get him in FA.. we have to go defense

FknGvna
January 16th, 2008, 11:35:14 PM
Why in the Hell did I even click the link. I knew It was Todd. That guy Hates the Bills. I think he had money on the bowl. He blows!

LotteryPick
January 17th, 2008, 11:08:22 AM
ahhhhhhhh if we take a WR in the first round.. i'll snap.. a punt returner? under sized??? wtf.. no way no effn way we take this guy.. first round WR is a waste.. we have a "#1" we need a possession/big target WR get him in FA.. we have to go defense

I think we can go WR in round 1 if the talent is there. My problem is that a feel like there are a lot of solid WRs in this draft. We can get a WR in round 2 if one of the top defensive guys at DT or CB is still on the board at 11.

However, I do think we are making too much of size for WRs. Yes, Size helps, but a great WR is a great WR. Jackson flashes tons of potential to be a gamebreaker and was an early heisman candidate before Cal fell apart this year. He's a solid WR and a much better receiving threat than Roscoe, who when coming out of college was more of a shifty open-field runner than anything.

JayHall93
January 17th, 2008, 12:54:46 PM
no way we draft another sub 6 footer as a receiver. We need a big posession receiver who can be a red zone threat.

LotteryPick
January 17th, 2008, 2:29:06 PM
no way we draft another sub 6 footer as a receiver. We need a big posession receiver who can be a red zone threat.

Height is not the greatest factor in a red-zone threat.

If you look at this years TD leaders, Houshmandzadeh was tied for 4th (he's 6'1"), Greg Jennings was also tied for 4th (he's 5'11"), Reggie Wayne was tied for 6th with 10 TDs (he's 5'11"), Wes Welker's only 5'9". Steve Smith has been one of the best Wrs in the league in yards and TDs and he's under 6 feet.

In the right offensive scheme, if you can get separation, you can score TDs. It's not all about the fade.

Buffalo1
January 17th, 2008, 2:42:01 PM
no way we draft another sub 6 footer as a receiver. We need a big posession receiver who can be a red zone threat.

he's 6-0 feet tall.

FknGvna
January 17th, 2008, 2:50:17 PM
Height is not the greatest factor in a red-zone threat.

If you look at this years TD leaders, Houshmandzadeh was tied for 4th (he's 6'1"), Greg Jennings was also tied for 4th (he's 5'11"), Reggie Wayne was tied for 6th with 10 TDs (he's 5'11"), Wes Welker's only 5'9". Steve Smith has been one of the best Wrs in the league in yards and TDs and he's under 6 feet.

In the right offensive scheme, if you can get separation, you can score TDs. It's not all about the fade.

We already have those guys they are Evans=Reggie Wayne, Reed=Greg Jennings, Parrish=Wes Welker, Evans=Steve Smith.

LotteryPick
January 17th, 2008, 3:43:52 PM
We already have those guys they are Evans=Reggie Wayne, Reed=Greg Jennings, Parrish=Wes Welker, Evans=Steve Smith.

Except each guys is a poor mans (or bankrupt, broke-ass, living under a bridge mans) version of your comparisons.

Skill can make up for lack of height. Reed doesn't have that kind of skill. Evans doesn't have the sure hands of Smith or Wayne and Parrish doesn't have the route-running ability that Welker has.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Parrish and Evans (not so much Reed) but they don't compare the Welker and Wayne respectively.

GvilleBill
January 17th, 2008, 10:02:47 PM
Not feelin the west coast WR right about now. I want the dude(s) that has proved he can catch, and play well, in the cold and rain.
If ya can do that, i don't give a shit how tall you are... unless you're an Oompa Loompa.

TigerJ
January 18th, 2008, 12:09:49 AM
a WR who runs a 4.2? forty and returns kicks and punts can score just as easily by running by people as a lumbering 6-7 WR going for a jump ball in the endzone. I don't know, I just think this whole height thing is over rated when it comes to WR. Look at Jacksonville's WR corps, they are huge and they still suck.

I think Jackson will probably be a good NFL receiver. I would worry some that he's going to be a bit breakable at 6' and 178 lbs. (I've even seen him listed at 166 lbs). He's also said to be not the most polished WR ever to come out of college. He's a little like Ted Ginn in that respect. The other thing is, speed doesn't matter as much in the red zone. You need some vertical space to take advantage of that 4.2 speed if indeed he can run a legit 4.2. I don't necessarily want to see Buffalo Buffalo draft a 6'7" stiff, but there are some good athletes among the taller WRs in this draft.

That said, if Buffalo did draft DeSean Jackson, he would no doubt improve the Bills' receiving corps and passing game considerably in time.