Still not supporting Paul, but...

[Gibby]

He is right now other than Huckabee the only guy at this debate whom I feel I can trust. I think they are trying to mock the good doctor and this sneering elitism is making me somewhat nauseas.

[pabstman]

Yeah, he got ganged up on about why terrorist attack us because he thinks different other than what we've been told to think.

[kybillsfan]

He is doing horribly in this debate, I am very disapointed.

[FamousAmos]

Paul had a poor debate, indeed disappointing

[C Darwin]

He is doing horribly in this debate, I am very disapointed.
Dr. Paul tends to stutter when stressed. His concepts are not conducive to sound bite responses. Trying to explain the benefits of sound money and individual liberty in less than a minute can be understandably daunting.

I do think he finished strong, especially when he implied that the rest of the candidates were only paying lip service to the constitution. I thought that was his strongest moment.

His explanation of oil prices was solid as well.

Which **** sucker neo-con told Ron that he would be "sorry" that Ron wouldn't make it to tomorrows Fox debate?

[FamousAmos]

It was tough to understand him at times because i think he has a lot of ideas, shit just running 100 mph in his head, and he can't get his mouth around his thoughts, so consequently, he comes off as hurried and unclear.

I think it was unfair that the rest of the group made fun of him about the nature of terrorism in the world, but he was right. So, all the others could do is dismiss his opinion through ridicule. not appropriate.

I wish he woulda jumped in more during discussions, but perhaps we has nervous or unsure of himself. He looked uncomfortable and impatient, rather than calm and collective like Huckabee.

[kybillsfan]

It was tough to understand him at times because i think he has a lot of ideas, shit just running 100 mph in his head, and he can't get his mouth around his thoughts, so consequently, he comes off as hurried and unclear.

I think it was unfair that the rest of the group made fun of him about the nature of terrorism in the world, but he was right. So, all the others could do is dismiss his opinion through ridicule. not appropriate.

I wish he woulda jumped in more during discussions, but perhaps we has nervous or unsure of himself. He looked uncomfortable and impatient, rather than calm and collective like Huckabee. I would kill to have Barak Obama with Pauls beliefs and ideas. Dr Paul has sound ideas and knows his stuff but he manages to leave out important stuff and not talk about a particular subject when he should. He should be comfortable by now, I have noticed him getting a little better after each debate or interview but I dont know what the hell happened on this one.

[pmoon6]

It is an art and a skill to react well under pressure.

Some are born with it, others not.

The guys that can turn a phrase so easily under pressure are called bullshit artists.

Some can be seasoned with experience, which is what happens with most politicians.

[anEinherjer]

I didn't see this. I also know that Dr Paul is not the most charismatic guy in the field - good point on the Barack w/ Good Ideas thought. :)

That said: his innate "nerdiness" still able to pull 10+% or even more just points to the real power of his ideas.

Imagine if we had a rock star on our side.

[pmoon6]

I didn't see this. I also know that Dr Paul is not the most charismatic guy in the field - good point on the Barack w/ Good Ideas thought. :)

That said: his innate "nerdiness" still able to pull 10+% or even more just points to the real power of his ideas.

Imagine if we had a rock star on our side.Keith Richards to the rescue.

Oh wait, that might be a liability.

[kybillsfan]

I didn't see this. I also know that Dr Paul is not the most charismatic guy in the field - good point on the Barack w/ Good Ideas thought. :)

That said: his innate "nerdiness" still able to pull 10+% or even more just points to the real power of his ideas.

Imagine if we had a rock star on our side.Lamar Alexander plays a mean piano, if we could just get him on board with the liberty movement.

[sukie]

I hearabout these great ideas... Outside of videos, are his ideas written down somewhere?

Which Ideas are running through his head that he cannot lay out in a 60 second response?

[Meathead]

mcfly theres been a jillion of his lectures posted and you could google them in five secs

paul challenges conventional wisdom with well developed intellectual analysis and comprehensive consideration of complex factors that dont translate well into marketing snippets

he doesnt stand a chance in hell

[FamousAmos]

I would kill to have Barak Obama with Pauls beliefs and ideas. Dr Paul has sound ideas and knows his stuff but he manages to leave out important stuff and not talk about a particular subject when he should. He should be comfortable by now, I have noticed him getting a little better after each debate or interview but I dont know what the hell happened on this one.

After watching the democratic debate, you can tell how polarizing Obama is. I don't really care much for his ideas and convictions, but the ma is likable and engaging.

I love Dr. Paul's ideas, but at times, and, Ronney did this too, Paul came off as almost reproachful. Where as Romney was just arrogant, Paul meant well, he just didn't communicate it skillfully.

He needs to take his time, pick one important detail to expand upon, instead of trying to fit everything else in one response.

Paul looks like a man who sees that his time is diminishing and is trying to make the most of it.

[pmoon6]

mcfly theres been a jillion of his lectures posted and you could google them in five secs

paul challenges conventional wisdom with well developed intellectual analysis and comprehensive consideration of complex factors that dont translate well into marketing snippets

he doesnt stand a chance in hellTranslated, I guess he says what you want to hear.

Lead on, McDuff.

[zootvman]

His chief advisor on foreign policy is Richard Haas. Do you know he wrote:
"State Sovereignty Must be Altered in Globalized Era"

???

In the age of globalization, states should give up some sovereignty to world bodies in order to protect their own interests

By Richard Haass

For 350 years, sovereignty — the notion that states are the central actors on the world stage and that governments are essentially free to do what they want within their own territory but not within the territory of other states — has provided the organizing principle of international relations. The time has come to rethink this notion.

snip

Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function.
--------------------------------------

Obama is owned by the CFR too. The Council on Foreign Relations...

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1458

Mike Huckabee recently named Richard Haas (the President of the CFR) as his advisor on foreign policy. CNN’s WOLF BLITZER asked "Who are your principal foreign policy advisers, Governor?" Mike Huckabee responded: "Well, I have a number of people from whom I get policy. I’m talking to Frank Gaffney, I talk to Richard Haas"---------

And Huckabee recently said, "We have signed up to be part of God's Army, to be soldiers for Christ..."

Interesting how this fake poses as a man of God, but behind our backs he sells out the sovereignty of America.

Huckabee and Obama are bought and paid for by the CFR - globalist trash.


http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/290807_obama_cfr.html

Obama's C.F.R. Ties Exposed by Swarming Ron Paul Supporters

Members of WeAreChange Central Florida descended upon an event for Barack Obama where they exposed his wife Michelle Obama's membership in the Council on Foreign Relations, an elite extra-governmental organization that steers a global agenda within the U.S. framework.

Michelle Obama is on the Board of Directors in the Chicago branch of the CFR.

A large number of Ron Paul supporters and 9/11 truthers showed up at the event, all carrying signs, flyers and DVDs and seemingly out-numbered Obama supporters. The group talked with a number of those Obama supporters and found that most were completely unaware of the Council on Foreign Relations or its grasp on nearly all of the mainstream 2008 Presidential candidates-- in both parties (see list below).

WeAreChange Central Florida asked Barack about his wife's C.F.R. membership several times, but Barack ignored the question and continued to shake hands, smile and pose for the cameras.

Ron Paul is the only 2008 candidate not affiliated with the C.F.R. who has shown any vitality and in fact could defeat Hillary Clinton if he won the Republican nomination.

A group confronted Michelle Obama seeking support for a new 9/11 investigation at a recent campaign event. She walked away without talking to cameras, but did take a 9/11 truth flyer.

Notable Republicans of the CFR:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
(Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich have not declared candidacy)

Notable Democrats of the CFR:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

WHO's NOT bought and paid for by the CFR internationalistas?

Ron Paul

[pmoon6]

Translated, I guess he says what you want to hear.

Lead on, McDuff.Here's the funny thing, Sukie.

Meatless will never read the comment because he has his hands over his ears and is yelling "LaLaLaLa, I don't hear you Jeffrey"

I know his mentor is proud.

He's a guy that can give as well as take.

It seems you can try to teach some students, but you can't give them what they lack.

[dilbert]

I hearabout these great ideas... Outside of videos, are his ideas written down somewhere?

Which Ideas are running through his head that he cannot lay out in a 60 second response?

We have 60 second sound Presidents for nearly 16 years now.

I would rather have somebody that plays a good game than somebody who talks a good game.

[Green Lantern]

We have 60 second sound Presidents for nearly 16 years now.

I would rather have somebody that plays a good game than somebody who talks a good game.

Clinton played a great game. I think you probably dislike what he did though.

[35Pete]

We have 60 second sound Presidents for nearly 16 years now.

I would rather have somebody that plays a good game than somebody who talks a good game.

People want the cliff notes 30 second sound bite because they either don't want to spend time reading about a position, or are incapable of analyzing them.

[notacon]

His chief advisor on foreign policy is Richard Haas. Do you know he wrote:
"State Sovereignty Must be Altered in Globalized Era"

???

In the age of globalization, states should give up some sovereignty to world bodies in order to protect their own interests

By Richard Haass

For 350 years, sovereignty — the notion that states are the central actors on the world stage and that governments are essentially free to do what they want within their own territory but not within the territory of other states — has provided the organizing principle of international relations. The time has come to rethink this notion.

snip

Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function.
--------------------------------------

Obama is owned by the CFR too. The Council on Foreign Relations...

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1458

Mike Huckabee recently named Richard Haas (the President of the CFR) as his advisor on foreign policy. CNN’s WOLF BLITZER asked "Who are your principal foreign policy advisers, Governor?" Mike Huckabee responded: "Well, I have a number of people from whom I get policy. I’m talking to Frank Gaffney, I talk to Richard Haas"---------

And Huckabee recently said, "We have signed up to be part of God's Army, to be soldiers for Christ..."

Interesting how this fake poses as a man of God, but behind our backs he sells out the sovereignty of America.

Huckabee and Obama are bought and paid for by the CFR - globalist trash.


http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/290807_obama_cfr.html

Obama's C.F.R. Ties Exposed by Swarming Ron Paul Supporters

Members of WeAreChange Central Florida descended upon an event for Barack Obama where they exposed his wife Michelle Obama's membership in the Council on Foreign Relations, an elite extra-governmental organization that steers a global agenda within the U.S. framework.

Michelle Obama is on the Board of Directors in the Chicago branch of the CFR.

A large number of Ron Paul supporters and 9/11 truthers showed up at the event, all carrying signs, flyers and DVDs and seemingly out-numbered Obama supporters. The group talked with a number of those Obama supporters and found that most were completely unaware of the Council on Foreign Relations or its grasp on nearly all of the mainstream 2008 Presidential candidates-- in both parties (see list below).

WeAreChange Central Florida asked Barack about his wife's C.F.R. membership several times, but Barack ignored the question and continued to shake hands, smile and pose for the cameras.

Ron Paul is the only 2008 candidate not affiliated with the C.F.R. who has shown any vitality and in fact could defeat Hillary Clinton if he won the Republican nomination.

A group confronted Michelle Obama seeking support for a new 9/11 investigation at a recent campaign event. She walked away without talking to cameras, but did take a 9/11 truth flyer.

Notable Republicans of the CFR:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
(Fred Thompson, Newt Gingrich have not declared candidacy)

Notable Democrats of the CFR:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

WHO's NOT bought and paid for by the CFR internationalistas?

Ron Paul

Holy crap. Do you get all you information from these wacko sites?!?!?!

I spent a little time on the sites that you provided. I particularly like the "Truthnews" site...it has little to do with either the "truth" or the "news".

Not surprising that it has a whole section on the front page devoted to Ron Paulmania.

I really liked the story about the homeschooling family that was invaded by a "SWAT Team" because he was injured. I did a google search on the fathers name and lo and behold...it led to a World Net Daily "article" about the "story"...I use quotation marks because it is really obvious that the "news story" is nothing more than right wing wacko bullshit. Page after page...all I got is the same "story" that came out of WND being churned over and over again by right wing Christian site after right wing Christian site.

Zoot...you really have to come back into the real world if you want to be taken seriously. These wacko sites will make your brain go to mush!

Seems like Ron Paul's supporters are bigger buffoons than Paul himself...you guys deserve each other.

[notacon]

BTW...the first article you linked to was an obvious hook for the gullible when they had this to say about an article written by the nefarious Richard Haas...


So what does Richard Haas believe in? Here’s an article below which was written by Haas for the Tapei Times. It basically states the Bill of Rights and Constitution should be given up in favor of a cooperative world body run by elite consensus.


If you read the actual article that supposedly shows that Mr. Haas believes the Bill of Rights should be scraped...does nothing of the sort.

Only the delusional and profoundly naive would believe this crap.

[sukie]

Jimmifli groans me but posts not why... Ron Paul supporter no doubt

[pigpen65]

Ron Paul is saying anything and everything to get himself elected. Oldest trick in the book. I'm mortified there are actually people who still can't see this shit a mile away. Scary.

[dilbert]

Ron Paul is saying anything and everything to get himself elected. Oldest trick in the book. I'm mortified there are actually people who still can't see this shit a mile away. Scary.


Have you read his history where he basically backs up what he talks about?

And if he was talking to get himself elected he would take lines from one of the party line favorites like the flip-flopping Romney, the 9/11 hero Rudy or the whacko Huckabee.

Who are you supporting that is not saying what he/she needs to say to get elected?

[pigpen65]

Who are you supporting that is not saying what he/she needs to say to get elected?


Hildog, and it has little to do with campaign promises.

[Lucidvizion]

Ron Paul is saying anything and everything to get himself elected. Oldest trick in the book. I'm mortified there are actually people who still can't see this shit a mile away. Scary.

Are you joking? He's been saying this stuff for over 10 years now.

If he supported the war on terror and didn't have a libertarian philosophy with the military, then I'd be more inclined to agree with you. His non-support for war is hurting him badly in the republican primaries.

[pigpen65]

Are you joking? He's been saying this stuff for over 10 years now.

Yeah, it's a good strategy, but he can't take credit for it. It's been used since the beginning of democracy.

[35Pete]

Have you read his history where he basically backs up what he talks about?

And if he was talking to get himself elected he would take lines from one of the party line favorites like the flip-flopping Romney, the 9/11 hero Rudy or the whacko Huckabee.

Who are you supporting that is not saying what he/she needs to say to get elected?

The blind accuse the seeing of being blind.

Amazing.

[35Pete]

Yeah, it's a good strategy, but he can't take credit for it. It's been used since the beginning of democracy.

What a crock of shit. Show me one of the candidates that you're being conditioned to vote for that has as solidly a consistent (to his word) track record as Ron Paul.

[kybillsfan]

Hildog, and it has little to do with campaign promises.Throwing your support behind a boarderline communist? Thats good, I guess whoever wants to give you the most stuff is the person to vote for?

[kybillsfan]

Yeah, it's a good strategy, but he can't take credit for it. It's been used since the beginning of democracy.Thats great but we dont live in a democracy, we live in a constitutional republic.

[dilbert]

Hildog, and it has little to do with campaign promises.


Then what does it have to do with?