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shiva2999
April 25th, 2002, 8:52:52 PM
http://www.rocknworld.com/news/mar99/item12.shtml


Stage diving at an Everclear Concert can cost you $1.2 million.



Everclear were codefendants in a lawsuit with football players Drew Bledsoe and Max Lane.
The lawsuit was filed by a women who was injured after the football players stage dived at a Everclear show at the Paradise in Boston in November of 1997.

The bulky football players turned out to be too much for the women who had to undergo surgery after the incident to remove a couple of damaged discs from here neck.

After the incident, both football players refused to take responsibility for the women's injuries but admitted to taking stage dives. The women filed a law suit soon after. The band, the football players as well as the venue were named as defendants.

Late last week the Boston Globe reported that the suit had been settled for $1.2 million with the football players coming up with a million dollars and the band and venue kicking in $100,000 each.


http://www.addict.com/Music_News_Of_The_World/lofi/971213/971213_2207.shtml


Manager Says Everclear Didn't Encourage Stage-Dives


Boston's Paradise loses entertainment license for 34 days while Everclear and New England Patriots deal with suit by injured fan.
Argues that group had nothing to do with injury caused by football players jumping into crowd.

Addicted To Noise's Randy Reiss reports : Two days after a lawsuit was filed against Everclear by a woman who was badly hurt at a recent concert, the band's manager is refuting claims that group incited the stage-diving that lead to her injuries.

"In the suit, she claims that we invited [footballs players Drew] Bledsoe and [Max] Lane on the stage," said band manager Darren Lewis, referring to Tameeeka Messier's claims against Everclear singer Art Alexakis, bassist Craig Montoya and drummer Greg Eklund. "That's not true. If they were invited onstage, it was by security or someone at the Paradise."

What started out as a night of rock 'n' roll for Boston University cafeteria worker Messier and New England Patriots star quarterback Drew Bledsoe and offensive guard Max Lane on Nov. 13 ended with neck surgery for Messier, the 34-day suspension of the entertainment license of the Paradise club and a negligence lawsuit against the band, the players and the nightclub.

Messier, 23, filed the suit against Everclear, Bledsoe, Lane and the Paradise in Suffolk County Superior Court on Wednesday. The suit alleges that Everclear and the Paradise allowed the burly football players onstage and then encouraged them to dive into the crowd, resulting in Lane allegedly landing on her head and rupturing two discs in her neck.

Messier's suit also claims that Bledsoe, Lane and backup quarterback Scott Zolak were among the 639 patrons at the Paradise on Nov. 13 to see Everclear. Near the end of Everclear's show, Lane allegedly pressured a security guard identified only as McKenna to let him on the stage, but McKenna refused, saying it was forbidden by club policy, according to the suit. The lawsuit then charges that Lane told McKenna about betting Bledsoe that he could get onstage with the band. McKenna then asked singer Alexakis, who agreed to let Lane on the stage, according to the suit.

"That just isn't true," Lewis said. "From what I know, they were playing their final song of the night and the guys came onstage. [Messier] claims that there was some conversation with Art [Alexakis], but that didn't happen."

Lewis said he was unsure if the players climbed on the stage or walked on from the side, but added that he was certain that Everclear had nothing to do with subsequent stage-dives. "They finished their set and walked off the stage," he said, disputing the suit's assertion that Alexakis encouraged Bledsoe to jump into the crowd, announcing "Drew is going to stage-dive now."

"The band was back in their dressing room when all that happened," Lewis said. "They didn't see it happen, but our road manager did and did what he could to help her."

Meanwhile, a spokeswoman for the Paradise said the venue plans to fight the decision to suspend their entertainment license as a result of the gig. "The Paradise Club disagrees with the findings of the Mayor's Office of Consumer Affairs and Licensing and will appeal the decision," Thaleia Schlesinger said in a statement released by the club on Friday.

The 34-day suspension, according to Nancy Lo, of the Mayor's Office of Consumer Affairs and Licensing, is based on the department's claims that the club had allowed too many concert-goers into the Everclear show and had allegedly permitted Bledsoe and Lane dive from the stage. The ruling prevents the club from holding any shows or musical events for 30 days beginning Dec. 17, with another four days tacked on for previous violations.

An appeal on the decision is to be filed in Suffolk County Superior Court in the coming days, Schlesinger said, adding that the speed of the filing "all depends on how long it takes to get the paperwork together." Meanwhile, the concerts scheduled to take place during the club's suspension will be either rescheduled or moved to a different venue, Schlesinger said.

Messier's suit, which names the band's regular members as defendants but not touring guitarist Steven Birch, fails to specify the amount of money the complainant is seeking.

It does, however, claim Messier lacks health insurance, has thus far paid all medical bills out of her own pocket and should be compensated for her injuries. "Basically, it's the lawyers looking for the most money," Lewis said. [Sat., Dec. 13, 1997, 9 a.m. PST]




Gee, I didn't read about this on Drew's website.

Tedp
April 25th, 2002, 8:55:07 PM
And your point is Shiva?

3rdbase
April 25th, 2002, 8:56:28 PM
Then maybe he can dive in from the 3. That's what I care about regarding his diving experience.
Do ya think maybe it's time to turn off the firehose until they start playing?

shiva2999
April 25th, 2002, 9:12:52 PM
"Interesting- It seems he has alot of moral character" - judge (from Bledsoe's web site thread)

"both football players refused to take responsibility for the women's injuries "

"the suit had been settled for $1.2 million with the football players coming up with a million dollars"

April 25th, 2002, 9:20:34 PM
That's old news here in Boston-

Always happends- two very sober and dociler young ladies in a mosh pit. They catch 2 millionaires jumping off the stage and all of a sudden it's off to the emergency room. Sounds like ambulance chasers to me.

Hey shiva, Drew has raised Millions for charity in the area. Sounds like a real low life, eh?

Drew 's contributions-$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Shiva's contributions -0

northernbillfan
April 25th, 2002, 9:22:12 PM
Boy am I ever glad I live in Canada, The frivolous law suits down there must drive you folks crazy. For mare asinine suits check out the stella awards, named after the lady who spilled a cup of coffee in her lap and McDonalds awarded millions... Go tohttp://www.usfca.edu/fbrc/stella_awards.htm . So it goes to show you can be stupid but get paid for it.

April 25th, 2002, 9:25:24 PM
It's not the moral character I'm concerned about. It's his brains!

April 25th, 2002, 9:25:57 PM
LOL Green

3rd,

Bledsoe diving?

That belongs in the comedy forum...

PA Season Ticket Holder
April 25th, 2002, 9:27:25 PM
I'll suffer some ruptured disk and have surgery for 1.2 Million Dollars anyday of the week. Hell, I'll try to catch them by myself if that's the case.

TigerJ
April 25th, 2002, 9:42:37 PM
I once got sued because two young boys rode their bicycles like bats out of hell from a blind side road (they claimed a dog - that turned out to be 14 years old and no more than 20 lbs was chasing them) into the path of the car I was driving. Sheriff deputies had absolved me of any wrong doing. Drivers of cars behind me testified "he was driving at 55 mph and there was no way in the world he could have avoided those two boys." It didn't matter. Because the kids were under 14, and there was an insurance company involved they were not responsible and we could be sued. I had to give my deposition, and thought I would have to testify in court, but apparently the insurance company settled at the last minute. What an unholy mess. By the way the more seriously injured boy lost teeth, broken ribs, and some internal injury, and had to be hospitalized for a while.

BlackRockBills
April 25th, 2002, 9:58:12 PM
Mike Williams stage diving?

You would be able to see the hole from outer space.

shiva2999
April 25th, 2002, 10:15:05 PM
ROTFLMAO

"Always happends- two very sober and dociler young ladies in a mosh pit. They catch 2 millionaires jumping off the stage and all of a sudden it's off to the emergency room. Sounds like ambulance chasers to me." - dozer


If it's so frickin common, how come those two brainiacs didn't think of it?


"Hey shiva, Drew has raised Millions for charity in the area. Sounds like a real low life, eh?" - dozer


Tell me more, was it just photo ops and a couple rubber chicken dinners or was Drew out there for days on end going door to door?

Anyway, I'm sure he's gonna be raising a whole lot more when he hosts his own annual golf tournament in NE on May 6.

Let's just hope that some of the money goes to spinal research.

Tedp
April 25th, 2002, 11:12:33 PM
Originally posted by shiva2999
"Interesting- It seems he has alot of moral character" - judge (from Bledsoe's web site thread)

"both football players refused to take responsibility for the women's injuries "

"the suit had been settled for $1.2 million with the football players coming up with a million dollars"
Shiva,
You gave three quotes which strung together create an innuendo, but I am not asking you for innuendo rather what exactly your point is? Please make a definitive statement of your viewpoint.
Thanks.

standingbuffalo43
April 25th, 2002, 11:35:53 PM
enter the pit at your own risk...

the case was settled in 97...
what year is it now?
this is relevant to DBs character how?
the point is? what?


"Interesting- It seems he has alot of moral character" - judge (from Bledsoe's web site thread)

your kidding, arent you???




sb43

shiva2999
April 25th, 2002, 11:42:23 PM
They do create an innuendo, don't they?

Sorry, I can't make a definitive statement yet, I've promised not to say anything negative about Drew till at least a month's gone in the season.

vsbills
April 25th, 2002, 11:42:37 PM
wow shiva, you are a joke

i have lost all respect for you, get a life

northernbillfan
April 25th, 2002, 11:43:33 PM
For absolutly insane lawsuits go to

http://www.usfca.edu/fbrc/stella_awards.htm

Its amazing what you can get a fistfull of dollars for

Judge
April 26th, 2002, 9:19:57 AM
Originally posted by shiva2999
"Interesting- It seems he has alot of moral character" - judge (from Bledsoe's web site thread)

"both football players refused to take responsibility for the women's injuries "

"the suit had been settled for $1.2 million with the football players coming up with a million dollars"

People make mistakes, especially those in their 20's or younger. I've made my share, and have hopefully learned from them and am more mature now.

It looks like he is too- he appears to be of sound moral character, and a great role model for children. Is he perfect? No. Did anyone say he was? No. 1 incident changes nothing, and he obviously settled the case to help the woman.

billsfanone
April 26th, 2002, 9:30:03 AM
CAN WE EXCOMMUNICATE CERTAIN FANS FROM BILLSFANDOM?

Judge
April 26th, 2002, 9:59:06 AM
Originally posted by Ebenezer
I must be denser then people from the mosh pit...I read the thread and still don't get anybodies position. Are we suppose to be mad at DB?, disappointed at DB? somebody inform me please.

Bottom line...

if it were Joe Schmuck and John Doe, who are worth $0.15 between them, jump into the most pit there's never a lawsuit, nobody ever hears a thing and everybody moves on.

It's a complete non-issue. Just Shiva's way of trying to make trouble.

By the way, Ebeneezer- parents often encourage their children to achieve a high-quality education even if they don't- there are plenty of those types of situations in this Great Land!

:toast:

ricogarion
April 26th, 2002, 10:03:06 AM
How on earth do these posts survive? What is the reason for even bothering? Where is the relevance? All controversial matter regarding Drew should be kept out of here as the guy seems like a decent sort and really should be given the benefit of the doubt,at least till training camp starts.Then you know people will start hammering him.

April 26th, 2002, 10:15:13 AM
(quote from "the asylum") I asked way back at the beginning for someone to tell me how specifically Hillary Clinton has negatively impacted their lives.

Nice quote Shiva. Too bad you only use it when it fits your purposes. What exactly has drew done to you? The hypocrisy in your posts is astounding. I don't care what political views you have, but the fact that you'd hold a football player to a higher standard than a world leader is ridiculous.

To the rest of you: There are some people who will say anything just to get a rise out of you guys. My suggestion is simple. Thsi thread would be on the 5th page by now if you just ignored such foolishness.

Nothing against you as a person shiva, but this IS the worst and most hypocritical thread i've ever seen.

billsfanone
April 26th, 2002, 10:23:11 AM
Congrats Shiva, you've made my ignore list.

shiva2999
April 26th, 2002, 10:23:11 AM
Sorry.

The Bills didn't trade for Hilary.

They traded for Drew.

But just to show you I'm not biased:

I think Drew is a much better qb than Hilary.

April 26th, 2002, 10:23:45 AM
Q: Was it forseable that injury could incur being that close to the stage at a rock concert where stage diving is a common event?

A: Yes.

Case dismissed. Decision to the defendants.

BogusTrumper
April 26th, 2002, 10:24:51 AM
I don't see the connection either. But lay off Drew. He looked good in that suit.

April 26th, 2002, 10:29:04 AM
the connection is easy to make. drew did nothing personally to shiva. why the hate?

shiva2999
April 26th, 2002, 10:31:31 AM
What did I say?

April 26th, 2002, 10:33:50 AM
play dumb...that's cool.

this is my last reply to this thread. hopefully it'll fall to the bottom where it should be.

And since you like buzz words so much...

You have no gravitas! :D

shiva2999
April 26th, 2002, 10:39:35 AM
Hey log, since you brought it up, I went over to the asylum and checked the maniac bitch Hilary thread.

Nobody's answered my question yet.

April 26th, 2002, 10:43:42 AM
Maniac is a noun. In that case it's used as an adjective. It should be maniacal.

billsfanone
April 26th, 2002, 10:46:21 AM
My neighbor's female dog it named Hilary. Damn maniacal mutt poops everywhere.

shiva2999
April 26th, 2002, 10:49:39 AM
innuendo n. allusive remark, hint (usually depreciatory). [L=by nodding to, fr. nuere, nod] - Webster's New Dictionary


Just think of it this way. My existence gives you a reason to love Drew even more.

THATHURMANATOR
April 26th, 2002, 11:42:38 AM
You may be right Shiva!!!! I now think of Drew as a god because of you!

fthefish
April 26th, 2002, 11:59:56 AM
Not to be a jerk Shiva, but where did you get that picture?
:down:

shiva2999
April 26th, 2002, 12:01:25 PM
google images

bills_phan
April 26th, 2002, 12:36:43 PM
Who the F cares? Ya'll need to get yourselves a life. Bad. :D

shiva2999
November 12th, 2004, 10:20:16 AM
Bumped just for spiked.