Troops Find Iraq Torture House

[JLB]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311832,00.html

BAGHDAD — Coalition troops in Iraq found a torture house with five skeletons and 40 nuclear, biological and chemical weapons masks, a U.S. general told FOX News on Thursday.

Brig. Gen. James Boozer said forces found execution equipment and chains in the house in the Diyala River Valley, an Al Qaeda stronghold north of Baghdad, as he touted progress in bolstering Iraqi security forces and said Iran seems to be holding to a commitment to thwart the flow of weapons into Iraq.

"I think we're at here an historical point in the history of Iraq," said Boozer, commander of Multi-National Division-North in Iraq.

[JLB]

Boozer said it appears Iran is keeping its promise to Iraqi leaders to helping stop the flow of roadside bombs into Iraq, which has contributed to a decrease in attacks.

"We've seen no increase in or any indication that the Iranians have stepped up the influx of arms or weapons into Iraq. It looks like they are holding up to their agreement," he said.

In August, Tehran vowed to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to hinder the smuggling of those weapons, called explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, and ammunition into the hands of extremists.

[anEinherjer]

Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

I'm more sick of Iraq than I am of the Patriots...

[JLB]

should we just get out asap?

[nehemiah]

"I think we're at here an historical point in the history of Iraq," said Boozer, commander of Multi-National Division-North in Iraq.:rofl:

talk about a freudian slip, eh?

[35Pete]

They could have planted all that shit, made up a story, and fed it to the media.

Do you think psychological operations ONLY works on the enemy?

Come on. Don't be that naive.

[JLB]

I believe this is the 5th or 6th such torture house found.

[Gibby]

This torture house is it ours or theirs?

[JLB]

This torture house is it ours or theirs?

it's theirs partner.

[Lucidvizion]

We have no moral superiority in this regards. None whatsoever.

[anEinherjer]

I wonder why more military men are donating to Dr Paul's campaign than to any other.


Hmmmmmm........

[JLB]

I wonder why more military men are donating to Dr Paul's campaign than to any other.


Hmmmmmm........

some of them think he can get them out is my guess.

[TRIPLE P]

I bet our torture houses are way nicer.

[JLB]

We have no moral superiority in this regards. None whatsoever.

torture is wrong but I don't believe they (Al Qaeda) think about it the same way.

[35Pete]

torture is wrong but I don't believe they (Al Qaeda) think about it the same way.

First, hold out judgement that the torture houses are Al Qaeda. Why do you just rotely believe what these bastards feed you? You don't think lying and deception occur in war to "boost support and morale"?

[Green Lantern]

They could have planted all that shit, made up a story, and fed it to the media.

Do you think psychological operations ONLY works on the enemy?

Come on. Don't be that naive.

I'd have paid five guys to put that crap there in 2002 and then I would have locked them in. They'd be skeletons by now.

[shiva2999]

Al Qaeda works for the US.

Therefore that's your torture house.

[slowpokemcgee]

They could have planted all that shit, made up a story, and fed it to the media.

Do you think psychological operations ONLY works on the enemy?

Come on. Don't be that naive.

So everything is a conspiracy now?

[JLB]

First, hold out judgement that the torture houses are Al Qaeda. Why do you just rotely believe what these bastards feed you? You don't think lying and deception occur in war to "boost support and morale"?

Why are you so sure this wasn't a house of torture?

If we believe everything to be lies we'll never know the truth.

Some things are as reported some are not.

I totally believe this was a house of torture and it's not the 1st.

[shiva2999]

I totally believe this was a house of torture and it's not the 1st.

And you believed uppy when he said I'd posted a photo of a cruise missile without making the effort to check.

And that's why I call you credulous.

You believe what you want to believe.

[JLB]

And you believed uppy when he said I'd posted a photo of a cruise missile without making the effort to check.

And that's why I call you credulous.

You believe what you want to believe.

false.

[35Pete]

So everything is a conspiracy now?

Do you only look at the possibilities that are fed to you?

I said "they could have". What part of that didn't you get?

In other words, the way this administration has lied to us so boldly and so often what kind of ****ing idiot would believe ANYTHING they say?

My doubting them is the healthy approach. Believing their spoon-fed nonsense is idiotic.

[35Pete]

Why are you so sure this wasn't a house of torture?

If we believe everything to be lies we'll never know the truth.

Some things are as reported some are not.

I totally believe this was a house of torture and it's not the 1st.

OK. But what if you are being fed big, really nasty, and harmful lies mixed in with the truth.
Does that make one a fool to believe them?

JLB. They lied about this whole damn circus. The war is a lie. Why do you WANT so badly to keep believing them?

And if you believe everything to be the truth and it's a lie, then you STILL DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH. Duh....

Don't let people tell you what's true. Go forth and seek the truth.

It's an eye opener.

[TheGoodShepherd]

I found a torture house in Guantanamo.

People are tortured there. Get held without charges. Barely have access to lawyers. And evidence that could prove their innocence is often destroyed or withheld. In some cases hidden from the same federal judge presiding over the case.

Are we gonna do anything about that one?

[JLB]

OK. But what if you are being fed big, really nasty, and harmful lies mixed in with the truth.
Does that make one a fool to believe them?

JLB. They lied about this whole damn circus. The war is a lie. Why do you WANT so badly to keep believing them?

And if you believe everything to be the truth and it's a lie, then you STILL DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH. Duh....

Don't let people tell you what's true. Go forth and seek the truth.

It's an eye opener.

the truth will out.

[35Pete]

the truth will out.

But not by people with attitudes like yours JLB.

Sorry. Just keep believing what is fed to you without question (unless it involves a democrat) and you'll never know the truth.

[JLB]

But not by people with attitudes like yours JLB.

Sorry. Just keep believing what is fed to you without question (unless it involves a democrat) and you'll never know the truth.

I just posted a story I don't know if it's true or false and neither do you.

attitudes like mine wow that's rich.

[35Pete]

I just posted a story I don't know if it's true or false and neither do you.

attitudes like mine wow that's rich.

JLB. Look at your own comments on this page. You're accepting this as fact.

I'll wait. Jury's out. But until someone proves to me that it's true I'll assume it's BS coming from this gang of thugs.

Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me twice.....*dumb stare*
You won't get fooled again!!!

*cue Keith Moon and Peter Townsend*

[Green Lantern]

JLB. Look at your own comments on this page. You're accepting this as fact.

I'll wait. Jury's out. But until someone proves to me that it's true I'll assume it's BS coming from this gang of thugs.

Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me twice.....*dumb stare*
You won't get fooled again!!!

*cue Keith Moon and Peter Townsend*

Voted the most cynical rock song in history.

[JLB]

JLB. Look at your own comments on this page. You're accepting this as fact.

I'll wait. Jury's out. But until someone proves to me that it's true I'll assume it's BS coming from this gang of thugs.

Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me twice.....*dumb stare*
You won't get fooled again!!!

*cue Keith Moon and Peter Townsend*

post it where you believe that I accept it as fact.

not an opinion a fact please right now.

[35Pete]

I believe this is the 5th or 6th such torture house found.

IDK JLB, but to the casual observer this looks like you are just commenting on news. Not "propaganda" but news, as news is supposed to be trustworthy.

[comericatigers]

They could have planted all that shit, made up a story, and fed it to the media.

Do you think psychological operations ONLY works on the enemy?

Come on. Don't be that naive.

Sleep with the light on Pete. Conspiracies are all around and coming to get you.

[Green Lantern]

IDK JLB, but to the casual observer this looks like you are just commenting on news. Not "propaganda" but news, as news is supposed to be trustworthy.


Supposed by the sleepers.

[35Pete]

Sleep with the light on Pete. Conspiracies are all around and coming to get you.

And you just keep believing everything that you are fed to you, as long as it involves "your" side.

We'll see you change your tune once a democrat gets elected President. If I start ragging on her you won't doubt me one second nor toss out the "conspiracy" smear once.

[sukie]

Pete but to NOT trust any info fed you is just as alarming

[35Pete]

Pete but to NOT trust any info fed you is just as alarming

Not from this gang of thugs.

Sorry, I don't believe a goddamn thing the BA says. Not a bit. I'll go find all angles on something before I decide.

I'll be wrong from time to time. But my record by doubting will well exceed your record by believing.

[35Pete]

Pete but to NOT trust any info fed you is just as alarming

I don't let myself be "fed".

I go off and seek. Then I digest it, see if it logically adds up or not. I just don't "believe" because a mass of people say "they're trustworthy".

Big difference.

[sukie]

So nothing whatsoever is what it seems.

[comericatigers]

Not from this gang of thugs.

Sorry, I don't believe a goddamn thing the BA says. Not a bit.

I'll be wrong from time to time. But my record by doubting will well exceed your record by believing.

Pete with the media being out in full force AGAINST the BA, you would think this torture house conspiracy would have already been uncovered.

[35Pete]

So nothing whatsoever is what it seems.

I didn't say that. Are you trying to set me up here by "defining" my position in a manner that is easy to knock down? That's the very definition of a strawman argument.

But a lot is not what it seems. Problem is finding that. That's NOT easy.

[Green Lantern]

Pete but to NOT trust any info fed you is just as alarming

I had a prof. who went so far down the rabbit hole he claimed he could not trust whether any of this was real; whether his kids existed.

He was my favorite.

[35Pete]

Pete with the media being out in full force AGAINST the BA, you would think this torture house conspiracy would have already been uncovered.

You really think that?

[Green Lantern]

I didn't say that. Are you trying to set me up here by "defining" my position in a manner that is easy to knock down? That's the very definition of a strawman argument.

But a lot is not what it seems. Problem is finding that. That's NOT easy.

I think, rather, that a little is not what it seems.

[35Pete]

I had a prof. who went so far down the rabbit hole he claimed he could not trust whether any of this was real; whether his kids existed.

He was my favorite.

Did you tell him "one hit of blotter at a time" sir?

[35Pete]

I think, rather, that a little is not what it seems.

That's where we differ.

Go read my Indonesia post. Then follow the Col on the Web. He didn't need to go down a rabbit hole.

He WAS a bad guy.

And he spills the beans on a lot of stuff.

[Green Lantern]

Did you tell him "one hit of blotter at a time" sir?

No, I argued him to silence in class when he said there is no such thing as objectivity.

He was on my thesis committee though and was of most help to me.

[35Pete]

Here you go Aqua.
http://www.prouty.org/

Always kiss the ass of your committee.

You can curse them AFTER they sign the damn paper.

[Green Lantern]

Always kiss the ass of your committee.

You can curse them AFTER they sign the damn paper.

No way. This was a year before I chose him for my committee. He loved to argue. He is a communist and helped me with my thesis critically without interjecting his views into what I was writing. I still email him (and tell him about you loons).

[comericatigers]

You really think that?

I do believe the media is extremely bias and leans left--yes I do.

[JLB]

IDK JLB, but to the casual observer this looks like you are just commenting on news. Not "propaganda" but news, as news is supposed to be trustworthy.

1st are we not all just commenting here?

Who knows Pete if news is good or bad trustworthy or not trustworthy.

I in no way represent these stories as fact because I can't know if they are or not.

I do know this is not the 1st reported finding being reported.

Are all these reports lies maybe but wouldn't that be easily exposed.

Since this is what is reported it is all I can post for discussion here.

Your opinion is well known to be a careful one and that's smart.

I happen to believe reports of a torture house but do I know for sure of course not.

It's ok to question any and all of these stories we should take a careful look.

That's why I don't won't can't state any of this material as fact.

[35Pete]

I do believe the media is extremely bias and leans left--yes I do.

The problem is that you're still stuck in the artificial left/right paradigm of thought.

Do you think Bush is left? Right?

[35Pete]

So nothing whatsoever is what it seems.

if a nation hopes to be ignorant and free, it hopes what never was and never will be
--Thomas Jefferson

[Gilly]

one thing pete, whenever we disagree you immediately say we believe everything BA puts out but you forget that you ALWAYS do not believe anything the BA puts out...

neither of us are right 100% of the time..

[Gilly]

The problem is that you're still stuck in the artificial left/right paradigm of thought.

Do you think Bush is left? Right?

Bush = right of center
media so far left people dont trust them anymore..

[shiva2999]

Why are you so sure this wasn't a house of torture?

If we believe everything to be lies we'll never know the truth.

Some things are as reported some are not.

I totally believe this was a house of torture and it's not the 1st.

Once again, jlb is full of crap.

[Gilly]

Once again, jlb is full of crap.

link? or just an opinion...

[shiva2999]

link? or just an opinion...

Link to what?

He posted this earlier in the thread and has been backpeddling ever since.

[35Pete]

Once again, jlb is full of crap.

I forgot the one post that got me going in the first place, LOL.

"I totally believe that this was a house of torture..."

[35Pete]

one thing pete, whenever we disagree you immediately say we believe everything BA puts out but you forget that you ALWAYS do not believe anything the BA puts out...

neither of us are right 100% of the time..

Bush tells truth 5% of the time.
Bush lies, 95% of the time.

Loosely translated here's our batting averages.

Gilly 0.050
Pete 0.950

Hmm..... You are right. :D

[JLB]

the story and video of the torture house was finally reported by MSNBC.

has anybody seen it?

[35Pete]

the story and video of the torture house was finally reported by MSNBC.

has anybody seen it?

So, what does that prove?

[JLB]

So, what does that prove?

another news organization after days of being quiet all of a sudden decide to report it.

why?