Andrew Peters is useless

[Carl J. Ironsides]

After tonight, I have no clue why Peters is on the Sabres' roster anymore. He logged a total of 1:43 of ice time. I was angry that Lindy Ruff scratched Mike Ryan, a speedy skater who would've had his way with Toronto's slow defenders and deft penalty killer, to play Peters, who didn't even do his job and get in a fight.

Peters can't do anything, frankly. He's played three games this year and hasn't fought, which is his sole on-ice purpose. So why is he even here anymore?

The Sabres are clearly a better team when their fourth line consists of Mair, Paille and Ryan.

It doesn't matter if Peters can win a fight. Oftentimes, fighting is more about the gesture than the result. We've already seen Goose, Mair, Hecht, Paetsch and Stafford, among others, scrap during the past season-plus, and I'm pretty sure they can continue to do it when necessary, even if they lose.

It's time for Buffalo to waive Peters.

(Sorry, SG, but the truth hurts sometimes.)

[Sabres244]

Sadly. I have to agree, and it's hard to do. Peters is such a nice guy and his teammates love him. But really I don't see a need for him on the team anymore. Ryan does a lot. He has a lot og skill, kill penalties and plays damn hard every night, and as a result the Sabres are a better team with him in the lineup.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Agreed, 244.

Peters is a good guy, but so is JP Losman. Neither can help my teams win, so adieu to both.

[ksl66]

I don't disagree that he's useless, but Lindy seems to love the guy, there's no other reason why he is on the roster. The guy can fight, but thats it, I think that player is all but gone in today's game. The only argument towards keeping him is that he is a good team guy. Also the Sabres don't really have a stockpile of forwards who are NHL ready, MacArthur is about the only guy and he is best served by getting a ton of minutes in Rochester versus coming here and getting 4th line minutes.

[Meathead]

its obvious to me why he keeps him

this is a finesse team. other teams get the idea they can hit the sabres into submission. for example ottawa sends out chris neal to take runs at our skill players. toronto has been known to do the same thing. lindy keeps him around as a thinly veiled threat that if you try to run our guys you get peters assigned to take out yours

now why he dresses peters might be a better question. though with the leafs history thats not all that hard to figure out either

[keyron79]

I think I've have heard this before!

[mikgaes]

Agreed.

[Scary Good]

I don't even know that I could fight you guys on this anymore. If he doesn't fight friday night, might be the last straw :(

[Scary Good]

Nevermind. I'm not giving up. If they waive him, they do. If a team picks him up, i'll just hope he beats the piss out of mair and goose.

[TommyV26]

1:43 is worthless. If your gonna be on the roster, at least get around 5 minutes. I agree with letting Ryan play. Speed will create more in the end, if he has the puck or not. It is just one more person they will have to worry about...

[unklechucky]

I cant believe SG has softened on this.

[MauvaisSang]

I agree, it's maddening to see someone taking up a roster spot getting under 2 minutes of ice time. If Lindy sees fit to dress him, I wish he would play him more. I'm not criticizing your post Connolly - lord knows I've started similar threads. But perhaps we should have a moratorium on these posts? I mean, this has been going on for a couple seasons already, and will happen at least 40 or 50 more times this season. It's not going to stop.

[Thumper]

Yeah...Peters sucks at hockey. Everyone and their Mother know's that. Its pretty nice to see what Paille and Mair can do with a guy like Roy playing the wing....Ruff definitely picked the right guy to double shift in Peters absence.

Peters had less than 2 minutes of ice time......In his very first shift last night, he had a chance to absolutely destroy one of the Leafs players, and quite possibly, put that Leafs player right into the Leafs bench (I wish I could remember who it was). The guy was a sitting duck...playing the puck with his head down and Peters barreling in on him, only for Peters to half-ass hockey stop, and lean into the guy with an elbow high. That moment right there could have set the tone for the rest of the game. Who know's how that first period would have gone had Peters done his damn job, use his gigantic body, and deployed that Leafs player right back into his own bench....Maybe the Sabres wouldn't have had to come from behind, after going down 2-zip in the 1st. Quite simply, he's not doing his job. Ryan didn't deserved to be scratched for a guy who's been sand-bagging it with every opportunity he gets to make an impact.

[Thumper]

Nevermind. I'm not giving up. If they waive him, they do. If a team picks him up, i'll just hope he beats the piss out of mair and goose.

This post ****ing sucks. Instead of being die-hard a fan of the Sabres most pathetic player, why not try being a fan of the SABRES?

[aWinAgainov]

I would rather double shift guys like Connolly and Roy than put in a fourth liner, Peters or Ryan...doesn't matter. Guys like Connolly get better and better with the minutes given, so why take some of that away by giving it to Ryan or Peters. I'd rather have a veiled threat on the bench than a guy taking valuable icetime away from our star

[mikgaes]

Nevermind. I'm not giving up. If they waive him, they do. If a team picks him up, i'll just hope he beats the piss out of mair and goose.

LOL. Those guys will clean his lame clock.

[charbs]

Peters should be out (unless we play a tough club like the leafs).
Ryan should be out.

Clarke Should be in!!!!!!

[Sabres244]

LOL. Those guys will clean his lame clock.

No they won't.

[Scary Good]

This post ****ing sucks. Instead of being die-hard a fan of the Sabres most pathetic player, why not try being a fan of the SABRES?

You suck. I am a fan of the Sabres first...So, if Peters say plays for Montreal...Id want the Sabres to win 20-0 and Peters to pound Mair...not really a big deal.

[Thumper]

You suck. I am a fan of the Sabres first...So, if Peters say plays for Montreal...Id want the Sabres to win 20-0 and Peters to pound Mair...not really a big deal.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I wuv Petey! He's my fwiend!

[unklechucky]

:rofl:

Scrubs need fans too.

[TheAnswer74]

Peters, the WWE is calling.

[charbs]

Atleast Petey is making an effort to become better though...

[Sabres244]

Nevermind. I'm not giving up. If they waive him, they do. If a team picks him up, i'll just hope he beats the piss out of mair and goose.

That's weak

[PG 13]

It doesn't matter if Peters can win a fight. Oftentimes, fighting is more about the gesture than the result. We've already seen Goose, Mair, Hecht, Paetsch and Stafford, among others, scrap during the past season-plus, and I'm pretty sure they can continue to do it when necessary, even if they lose.
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Again, some of you guys have no clue. You're basically saying there is no need in the NHL for enforcers.

Sure the gesture of fighting can be a nice warm fuzzy thing that make your teammates respect you. But that's not what fighting is all about. Winning or losing a fight can change momentum just as much as a goal can. Your not going to change momentum when your down 3-1 and your guys gets pounded.

And you clearly don't understand the level or protection an enforcer gives and the security that finesse players get from guys like Peters.

And why do so many teams, including the Sabres have enforcers? Because they know that enforcers, like Peters, are valuable members of the team.

But you guys are right, and all the NHL coaches and GM's are wrong. Get a clue..

[Sabres244]

And why do so many teams, including the Sabres have enforcers? Because they know that enforcers, like Peters, are valuable members of the team.

But you guys are right, and all the NHL coaches and GM's are wrong. Get a clue..

You're wrong. There's more teams in the NHL that have 2 or 3 guys that will scrap and have skill than have one useless guy like Peters who has 0 skill at all. Look it up.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Again, some of you guys have no clue. You're basically saying there is no need in the NHL for enforcers.

Sure the gesture of fighting can be a nice warm fuzzy thing that make your teammates respect you. But that's not what fighting is all about. Winning or losing a fight can change momentum just as much as a goal can. Your not going to change momentum when your down 3-1 and your guys gets pounded.

And you clearly don't understand the level or protection an enforcer gives and the security that finesse players get from guys like Peters.

And why do so many teams, including the Sabres have enforcers? Because they know that enforcers, like Peters, are valuable members of the team.

But you guys are right, and all the NHL coaches and GM's are wrong. Get a clue..

To the best of my knowledge, Peter Laviolette's Hurricanes didn't have an enforcer when they won the Cup in 2005-06. They still don't either. He doesn't believe in them.

The enforcer is going the way of the dodo.

[Thumper]

Again, some of you guys have no clue. You're basically saying there is no need in the NHL for enforcers.

Sure the gesture of fighting can be a nice warm fuzzy thing that make your teammates respect you. But that's not what fighting is all about. Winning or losing a fight can change momentum just as much as a goal can. Your not going to change momentum when your down 3-1 and your guys gets pounded.

And you clearly don't understand the level or protection an enforcer gives and the security that finesse players get from guys like Peters.

And why do so many teams, including the Sabres have enforcers? Because they know that enforcers, like Peters, are valuable members of the team.

But you guys are right, and all the NHL coaches and GM's are wrong. Get a clue..

Hey, I'm not saying that enforcers aren't valuable to any team in this league. All I'm saying is that if Peters is going to play for 1 minute and 47 seconds a game, he'd better take that 1 minute and 47 seconds and either hit someone, like he had the chance to, but completely avoided, on his first shift last night, or pummel someone without taking an extra penalty. If someone doesn't want to fight him, then all he can do is be a wrecking ball for his one or two shifts....That's fine. There's nothing he can do about that. But the problem is, he's not doing either. And when he's not doing either, he might as well be a bag of pucks sitting on the bench.

[SabresMB3]

Great Thread

[Thumper]

Keep groaning me, Scary Good. I love it. It makes me laugh to know how much my honesty regarding Peters bothers you.

[Rockstar]

Yeah...Peters sucks at hockey. Everyone and their Mother know's that. Its pretty nice to see what Paille and Mair can do with a guy like Roy playing the wing....Ruff definitely picked the right guy to double shift in Peters absence.

Peters had less than 2 minutes of ice time......In his very first shift last night, he had a chance to absolutely destroy one of the Leafs players, and quite possibly, put that Leafs player right into the Leafs bench (I wish I could remember who it was). The guy was a sitting duck...playing the puck with his head down and Peters barreling in on him, only for Peters to half-ass hockey stop, and lean into the guy with an elbow high. That moment right there could have set the tone for the rest of the game. Who know's how that first period would have gone had Peters done his damn job, use his gigantic body, and deployed that Leafs player right back into his own bench....Maybe the Sabres wouldn't have had to come from behind, after going down 2-zip in the 1st. Quite simply, he's not doing his job. Ryan didn't deserved to be scratched for a guy who's been sand-bagging it with every opportunity he gets to make an impact.


This is the best post on this point.
I feel strongly about a guy like Peters being on our team but I have never liked Peters. He isn’t good traditional fighter. That ridiculous outstretched arm keeping the other fighter at bay while he tries to throw haymakers is painful to watch. I don’t know if he is afraid to take a punch or what, but his “style” or lack of is the complete opposite of the way Rayzor used to fight.
Bottom line is, Thumper put it best in regards to the hit last night. That Leaf player should have been knocked off his skates. But due to Peters horrible skating, he doesn’t have the balance to throw good body checks. Ray used to put people through the boards. Peters lack of balance might have something to do with his retarded way of fighting. We need a guy like him, but we need one that does his job.

[Scary Good]

Hahaha Thumper's cryyyyyying....:kitty:

[buffalofan19]

Peters is like that pet dog that you have to have a "beware of dog" sign for. You hope he never has to attack someone, but if you need him to go after someone who's taking liberties on your own property, he's always there.

[Thumper]

Did I miss something?? Scary Good, can you even have an intelligent conversation about your favorite player? Your posts are on par with Peters hockey skills......Shitty.

[Scary Good]

Peters is like that pet dog that you have to have a "beware of dog" sign for. You hope he never has to attack someone, but if you need him to go after someone who's taking liberties on your own property, he's always there.

That may be my favorite post ever.

[unklechucky]

interesting how much this post has taken off.

[MauvaisSang]

Hahaha Thumper's cryyyyyying....:kitty:

I missed him crying. I did catch the posts where he very lucidly dismantles Peter's performance against the Leafs. I guess if you can't answer someone's arguments, the only thing left to do is namecalling like an eight year old?

[Hockeystud1414]

Again, some of you guys have no clue. You're basically saying there is no need in the NHL for enforcers.

Sure the gesture of fighting can be a nice warm fuzzy thing that make your teammates respect you. But that's not what fighting is all about. Winning or losing a fight can change momentum just as much as a goal can. Your not going to change momentum when your down 3-1 and your guys gets pounded.

And you clearly don't understand the level or protection an enforcer gives and the security that finesse players get from guys like Peters.

And why do so many teams, including the Sabres have enforcers? Because they know that enforcers, like Peters, are valuable members of the team.

But you guys are right, and all the NHL coaches and GM's are wrong. Get a clue..


THE MOST PATHETIC THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THIS RANGE, IS SOMEONE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ARGUE THIS. You know who you are...just SHUT THE **** UP!!! YOU DON'T LIKE PETERS, ****ING TOUGH YOU GOT HIM FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT SO SHUT YOUR ****ING MOUTHS AND DEAL WITH IT!!!! OK!!!! ANY MORON WANT TO RESPOND WITH SOME DUB QUESTION OR COMMENT??????

[Scary Good]

Ok, give him more than 2 shifts. He goes out and hits when he gets shifts. He rarely doesn't fight or hit. The end.

[Hockeystud1414]

You're wrong. There's more teams in the NHL that have 2 or 3 guys that will scrap and have skill than have one useless guy like Peters who has 0 skill at all. Look it up.

Wow. dumbest post I've ever seen in my life. Hands down!!!!!

LOOK UP HEAVYWEIGHT ENFORCER!!!!! ARE YOU THAT DUMB? DO YOU HONESTLY WANT TO GET OWNED BY OITHER NHL TEAMS? Ottawa would have fun with us...MCGRATTON WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE TO POUND THE **** OUT OF MAIR OR GAUSTED ANY ****ING DAY!! And NO ONE even think about coming back with ''oh oh, but gausted beat him up two years ago'' because if you have any vision whatsoever you would see mcgratton tripped on his own stick, so no onbe even be ****ing dumb and try that.

A lot of teams would love to take advanatge if we got hot, like last year with ovechkins cheap shot, nichols hit, and neils hit. Right after PETERS was used in A WAY WHERE HE SHOULD BE USED, I didn't see any cheap shots after that. We're ****ed without the guy.

NVMD, YOU GUYS CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, PETERS ISNT GOING ANYWHERE. SO YEAH, KEEP CRYING GUYS,PETERS IS USELESS, YEAH, DARCY REGIER THINKS SO AFTER AWARDING HIM A ****ING TWO YEAR CONTRACT.

[Hockeystud1414]

After tonight, I have no clue why Peters is on the Sabres' roster anymore. He logged a total of 1:43 of ice time. I was angry that Lindy Ruff scratched Mike Ryan, a speedy skater who would've had his way with Toronto's slow defenders and deft penalty killer, to play Peters, who didn't even do his job and get in a fight.

Peters can't do anything, frankly. He's played three games this year and hasn't fought, which is his sole on-ice purpose. So why is he even here anymore?

The Sabres are clearly a better team when their fourth line consists of Mair, Paille and Ryan.

It doesn't matter if Peters can win a fight. Oftentimes, fighting is more about the gesture than the result. We've already seen Goose, Mair, Hecht, Paetsch and Stafford, among others, scrap during the past season-plus, and I'm pretty sure they can continue to do it when necessary, even if they lose.

It's time for Buffalo to waive Peters.

(Sorry, SG, but the truth hurts sometimes.)

Not gonna happen. on a 2 year deal we just signed him to? WAKE THE **** UP HE'S HERE TO STAY. STOP BEING BIASED!!!!!!!! HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!! WHAT THE **** DON'T YOU GET YOU ****ING MORON?

[MauvaisSang]

THE MOST PATHETIC THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THIS RANGE, IS SOMEONE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ARGUE THIS. You know who you are...just SHUT THE **** UP!!! YOU DON'T LIKE PETERS, ****ING TOUGH YOU GOT HIM FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT SO SHUT YOUR ****ING MOUTHS AND DEAL WITH IT!!!! OK!!!! ANY MORON WANT TO RESPOND WITH SOME DUB QUESTION OR COMMENT??????

Since he's on the roster, we should all just shut up and not talk about him. Okay, then what's a hockeystud-sanctioned topic? Seeing as it's a Sabres message board and all, what are we supposed to discuss if any criticism of the rostered players is pointless and stupid? Should we all just resort to knee-jerk homerism and fawning? Of course we have no role or say in the team and it's personnel. A child could point that out. Doesn't mean we can't have critical discussions on players and their performances. That's kind of the point of a message board. If you find that so outrageous, I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you're here.

As for being stuck with him, I don't think Peters is going anywhere either - but players do get waived or traded. It's been known to happen. Even on Darcy Regier managed teams.

And the caps are freaking obnoxious....

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Jeez. I see we've hit a nerve with Hockeystud.

Is name-calling necessary?

[Acoustic-Fury]

And the caps are freaking obnoxious....

Loud noises!

[MauvaisSang]

Jeez. I see we've hit a nerve with Hockeystud.

Is name-calling necessary?

Yeah, I haven't seen a hissy-fit like that in a long time. Maybe on the Bills' board, but not here...


Funny how it's the Peters fans who are namecalling, losing their temper, and abusing their caps lock? Seems personal to them... the rest of us just want 12 functional forwards skating for our hockey team.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Not gonna happen. on a 2 year deal we just signed him to? WAKE THE **** UP HE'S HERE TO STAY. STOP BEING BIASED!!!!!!!! HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!! WHAT THE **** DON'T YOU GET YOU ****ING MORON?

Without calling anyone a name, can you tell us what Peters provides if he's not getting in fights? Three games this year, zero fights. If the guy was out there scrapping, awesome. But he's not.

[Hockeystud1414]

Fine, lets waive peters. Name 1 team that would claim him? it won't happen, we're gonna honor his contract whether anyone likes it or not, and I find it hard to call a guy useless who plays 2 shifts with 1:43 min. of ice time, when clearly he isn't even given an oppurtunity to redeem himself on another shift, or used against Belak when he's on the ice, fight or not. Or even use him any other time he should be used...I fault Ruff on why he's looked bad not petey.

And clearly he's a better hockey player than anyone in here if he's still playing in the nhl, and lindy ruff and darcy regier WANT HIM.

No argument here, I'm done. This thread is completely worthless and there is no argument, groan at me if you ****ing want to if you really knew hockey and weren't biased, you'd actually have a post worth of value. Not too much of that going on around here I can tell...

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Fine, lets waive peters. Name 1 team that would claim him? it won't happen, we're gonna honor his contract whether anyone likes it or not, and I find it hard to call a guy useless who plays 2 shifts with 1:43 min. of ice time, when clearly he isn't even given an oppurtunity to redeem himself on another shift, or used against Belak when he's on the ice, fight or not. Or even use him any other time he should be used...I fault Ruff on why he's looked bad not petey.

And clearly he's a better hockey player than anyone in here if he's still playing in the nhl, and lindy ruff and darcy regier WANT HIM.

No argument here, I'm done. This thread is completely worthless and there is no argument, groan at me if you ****ing want to if you really knew hockey and weren't biased, you'd actually have a post worth of value. Not too much of that going on around here I can tell...

Why are you so offended? Plenty of negative things have been said here vis-a-vis Tim Connolly, yet never once have I gone off on a name-calling tirade accusing people of possessing no hockey knowledge.

[MauvaisSang]

Fine, lets waive peters. Name 1 team that would claim him? it won't happen, we're gonna honor his contract whether anyone likes it or not, and I find it hard to call a guy useless who plays 2 shifts with 1:43 min. of ice time, when clearly he isn't even given an oppurtunity to redeem himself on another shift, or used against Belak when he's on the ice, fight or not. Or even use him any other time he should be used...I fault Ruff on why he's looked bad not petey.

And clearly he's a better hockey player than anyone in here if he's still playing in the nhl, and lindy ruff and darcy regier WANT HIM.

No argument here, I'm done. This thread is completely worthless and there is no argument, groan at me if you ****ing want to if you really knew hockey and weren't biased, you'd actually have a post worth of value. Not too much of that going on around here I can tell...

I love people who frequent message boards, yet can't stomach disagreement or dissenting opinions. It never gets old, or stops being funny. I admire the masochism it must take for you to drag yourself here time and time again, and suffer all us ignorant, no-nothing slobs who don't think the same thing as you.

[Sabres244]

Wow. dumbest post I've ever seen in my life. Hands down!!!!!

LOOK UP HEAVYWEIGHT ENFORCER!!!!! ARE YOU THAT DUMB? DO YOU HONESTLY WANT TO GET OWNED BY OITHER NHL TEAMS? Ottawa would have fun with us...MCGRATTON WOULD LOVE NOTHING MORE TO POUND THE **** OUT OF MAIR OR GAUSTED ANY ****ING DAY!! And NO ONE even think about coming back with ''oh oh, but gausted beat him up two years ago'' because if you have any vision whatsoever you would see mcgratton tripped on his own stick, so no onbe even be ****ing dumb and try that.

A lot of teams would love to take advanatge if we got hot, like last year with ovechkins cheap shot, nichols hit, and neils hit. Right after PETERS was used in A WAY WHERE HE SHOULD BE USED, I didn't see any cheap shots after that. We're ****ed without the guy.

NVMD, YOU GUYS CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT, PETERS ISNT GOING ANYWHERE. SO YEAH, KEEP CRYING GUYS,PETERS IS USELESS, YEAH, DARCY REGIER THINKS SO AFTER AWARDING HIM A ****ING TWO YEAR CONTRACT.

I didn't say all teams don't have enforcers. Some do like Ottawa with McGratten,the Ducks with Parros and Minnesota with Boogarrd, other than that you'll struggle to find a true enforcer on most any other NHL roster, but I'm telling you most of the teams in the league don't have them, they have 2 or 3 players with skill called agitators that aren't afraid to drop the gloves but also contribute on offense. Go look it up or are you too afraid.

Funny. Peters played vs Nashville when the Nichol play happened, but had a grand total of 0:00 ice time, and played 29 seconds when Overchkin attacked Briere, and when the Ottawa brawl happened, Mair and Kaleta did just fine. But if you wanna think we're screwed because a guy that plays a grand total of a minute a game go ahead, go nuts.

By the way where do all the big bad enforcers go when the playoffs come around?

[MauvaisSang]

Fine, lets waive peters. Name 1 team that would claim him? it won't happen, we're gonna honor his contract whether anyone likes it or not

And clearly he's a better hockey player than anyone in here if he's still playing in the nhl, and lindy ruff and darcy regier WANT HIM.


Anyone else find this contradictory? He's an NHL calibre player, yet if we waived him no team would pick him up? Good logic there, CapsMan.

[Scary Good]

I will be the voice of reason. He offers nothing if he doesn't hit or fight. This is why I'm shocked as to his lack of fights. I fully expect and hope this will change friday night.

[MauvaisSang]

I didn't say all teams don't have enforcers some do like Ottawa with McGratten,the Ducks with Parros and Minnesota with Boogarrd, other than that you'll struggle to find a true enforcer on most any other NHL roster, but I'm telling you most of the teams in the league don't have them, they have 2 or 3 skilled agitators that aren't afraid to drop the gloves, go look it up or are you too afraid.

Funny. Peters played vs Nashville when the Nichol play happened, but had a grand total of 0:00 ice time, and played 29 seconds when Overchkin attacked Briere, and when the Ottawa brawl happened, Mair and Kaleta did just fine. But if you wanna think we're screwed because a guy that plays a grand total of a minute a game go ahead, go nuts.

By the way where do all the big bad enforcers go when the playoffs come around?

Whoa whoa... you're responding with facts, and evidence to support your opinions. You must be ignorant, biased, and not know hockey. STUPIDEST POST EVER.

[kritter65]

Funny. Peters played vs Nashville when the Nichol play happened, but had a grand total of 0:00 ice time, and played 29 seconds when Overchkin attacked Briere, and when the Ottawa brawl happened, Mair and Kaleta did just fine. But if you wanna think we're screwed because a guy that plays a grand total of a minute a game go ahead, go nuts.

This paragraph pretty much ends the "keep Peters around" argument. Also, playing Peters for more than his minute a game will create more chances for the opposition, as he has no defensive skills. He's a liability if he's out there more than 2 shifts.

Maybe they should try sending him down to Rochester and have Cunneyworth work on his overall game for the entire year. Randy could give him giant quantities of ice time down there in an effort to improve Andrew's skills. Hey, ya never know. And if someone picks him up while we're attempting to send him down to the AHL, so be it.

[Rockstar]

Loud noises!


:guy:

[ddpderek]

Hopes he fights Boll on Friday.

[PG 13]

You guys can debate this all day, but you just don't have a clue.

Being an enforcer is more than just fighting, it's a presence on the bench and the ice. Many times they can police the game by just talking to the other team about their actions and the repercussions if their actions continue. A guy like Peters gets respect that Mair or Gaustad can never get.

And I guarantee you ask any player, especially star players, and they'll all say they like having an enforcer on the team.

[PG 13]

To the best of my knowledge, Peter Laviolette's Hurricanes didn't have an enforcer when they won the Cup in 2005-06. They still don't either. He doesn't believe in them.

The enforcer is going the way of the dodo.

But the 2007 Stanley Cup Champion had several enforcers and led the league in fighting majors. Try again..

[Thumper]

You guys can debate this all day, but you just don't have a clue.

Being an enforcer is more than just fighting, it's a presence on the bench and the ice. Many times they can police the game by just talking to the other team about their actions and the repercussions if their actions continue. A guy like Peters gets respect that Mair or Gaustad can never get.

And I guarantee you ask any player, especially star players, and they'll all say they like having an enforcer on the team.

You're right. That's how it's supposed to be. But ironiclly, our best defenseman through the first 5 games is already injured due to Antropov taking liberties and boarding him. He could have concussed him had he got more of his elbow on Spacek's head. But its a sprained shoulder nonetheless. Peters presence did nothing to prevent that from happening. With all of the injuries this team has endured over the last two seasons, Peters presence really hasn't done much at all to keep this team protected. Why?

[Sabres244]

But the 2007 Stanley Cup Champion had several enforcers and led the league in fighting majors. Try again..

They had 1, and how much did he play in the playoffs?

May isn't an enforcer he actually has skill

[Sabres244]

You're right. That's how it's supposed to be. But ironiclly, our best defenseman through the first 5 games is already injured due to Antropov taking liberties and boarding him. He could have concussed him had he got more of his elbow on Spacek's head. But its a sprained shoulder nonetheless. Peters presence did nothing to prevent that from happening. With all of the injuries this team has endured over the last two seasons, Peters presence really hasn't done much at all to keep this team protected. Why?

His presence didn't stop Neil, Nichol or Ovechkin from taking cheap shots. He is worthless.

He didn't even job in on them either. Stafford did on Neil, Biron did on Nichol and Guastad and Mair did on Ovechkin.

[Sabres244]

Hopes he fights Boll on Friday.

I hope he stays in the damn press box

[unklechucky]

If the preseason is any indication of what to expect from the Jackets, Peters #1 needs to dress and #2 needs to do his job. If he's going to waste ice time, he needs to just go away

[Thumper]

That's the thing. The NHL is different now. Peters will only be on the ice if Mair, Ryan, Paille, or any of our defensemen are on the ice if and when one of them gets run. He'll never skate on a line with a Connolly or Roy, Afinogenov, Pominville, Hecht, or any of the skill players that someone might cheapshot. The instigator penalty has ruined that aspect of what used to be a great part of the game. That's not Peters fault. Its just the way it is. His presence on the bench hasn't prevented it from happening enough at all

Even thinking back to Neil on Drury.....Who took liberties with their skill players in retailiation? Mair pummeled Spezza, even though Spezza turtled like the coward he is, dropping to his knees with his head down as Mair got in as many shots as he could. Peters grabbed Heatley, spun him around, and then what? He let him go.............................???

So he fought Emery after Biron already had. Big freaking deal. If anything, that was taking things too far. Especially considering how easy Emery was on Biron. Even Ruff said that Peters on Emery was taking things too far. Fighting a goaltender with all of that padding on his upper body isn't even a fair fight. That's why goaltenders fight eachother, and players fight eachother.

So if you ask me, Peters didn't do his job that night either.

[Thumper]

They had 1, and how much did he play in the playoffs?

May isn't an enforcer he actually has skill

I have to disagree with you here. May is definitely an enforcer. Does he have some hockey skill? Yes. But he's definitely an enforcer.

[Thumper]

This is how an enforcer does his job. Scary Good, take notes.

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[unklechucky]

I have to disagree with you here. May is definitely an enforcer. Does he have some hockey skill? Yes. But he's definitely an enforcer.

Not to mention that May is one of my favorite all time enforcers, I think he'd toss Peters around like a rag doll.

[ddpderek]

Enforcers can have skill...

and fighting is part of the game and i hope peters brings it Friday.

Also 244 what do you expect Peters to do when theres a cheap shot and hes sitting on the bench jomp on the ice and pound the guy ofcourse the guys on the ice have to stick up after the intial hit.

[unklechucky]

I cannot see why there is so much support for a guy whose 2 minutes or less of ice time is being questioned as too much

[MauvaisSang]

You guys can debate this all day, but you just don't have a clue.

Being an enforcer is more than just fighting, it's a presence on the bench and the ice. Many times they can police the game by just talking to the other team about their actions and the repercussions if their actions continue. A guy like Peters gets respect that Mair or Gaustad can never get.

And I guarantee you ask any player, especially star players, and they'll all say they like having an enforcer on the team.


Ah, another member of the intellectually bankrupt, "your opinion differs from mine, so you're clueless" crowd.

[MauvaisSang]

That's the thing. The NHL is different now. Peters will only be on the ice if Mair, Ryan, Paille, or any of our defensemen are on the ice if and when one of them gets run. He'll never skate on a line with a Connolly or Roy, Afinogenov, Pominville, Hecht, or any of the skill players that someone might cheapshot. The instigator penalty has ruined that aspect of what used to be a great part of the game. That's not Peters fault. Its just the way it is. His presence on the bench hasn't prevented it from happening enough at all

Even thinking back to Neil on Drury.....Who took liberties with their skill players in retailiation? Mair pummeled Spezza, even though Spezza turtled like the coward he is, dropping to his knees with his head down as Mair got in as many shots as he could. Peters grabbed Heatley, spun him around, and then what? He let him go.............................???

So he fought Emery after Biron already had. Big freaking deal. If anything, that was taking things too far. Especially considering how easy Emery was on Biron. Even Ruff said that Peters on Emery was taking things too far. Fighting a goaltender with all of that padding on his upper body isn't even a fair fight. That's why goaltenders fight eachother, and players fight eachother.

So if you ask me, Peters didn't do his job that night either.

Oh man.... Thumper is murdering you guys. I can see why the pro Peters crowd is unable to respond with nothing but name calling. The facts just aren't on their side.

[unklechucky]

agreed, these attepts at reason are pretty lame.

[Scary Good]

His presence didn't stop Neil, Nichol or Ovechkin from taking cheap shots. He is worthless.

He didn't even job in on them either. Stafford did on Neil, Biron did on Nichol and Guastad and Mair did on Ovechkin.

Don't be a clown. He went out there and tried to rip Heatleys head from his torso. He then jumped on Spezza's back and then pounded on the goalie. I say he made himself known that night.

What about the next night? Buffalo player gets dropped, he goes after Phillips.

[Scary Good]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTJOKjRc9w

[Scary Good]

LOL @ May using Petey as a rag doll

Here's another example of Peters doing his job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd4mJ1m99HU

[Scary Good]

Oh man.... Thumper is murdering you guys. I can see why the pro Peters crowd is unable to respond with nothing but name calling. The facts just aren't on their side.

Take a look at the video.

[MauvaisSang]

Take a look at the video.

The video of him beating up Heatley? As entertaining as seeing that puke getting mauled is, it doesn't change the fact that Peters is not a very good hockey player, particularly when he's not hitting or beating people into oblivion.

[JLB]

Thanks Scary Good Video!! :rockon:

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[MauvaisSang]

Ah Jiri Novotny, we hardly knew ya...

[Sabres244]

Don't be a clown. He went out there and tried to rip Heatleys head from his torso. He then jumped on Spezza's back and then pounded on the goalie. I say he made himself known that night.

What about the next night? Buffalo player gets dropped, he goes after Phillips.

I'm not being a clown. He did nothing to Heatley, couldn't even take him to the ground. Kool he beat up a goalie, real tough guy there.

[Scary Good]

The code in fighting is you go after tough guys. Instead of hammering on someone non-fighting D man, or by suckering Heatley...he went after emery, who he knew fought in the minors.

People that fight players like Sekera get dealt with by good enforcers like Peters.

[RustySabre]

Lindy keeps him on the team, Lindy puts him on the ice, Lindy keeps him off the ice. Lindy inactivates him for games. So Lindy has his reasons or Peters wouldn't be here. Sounds to me like your problem should be with Lindy instead of Peters. Peters is just riding the wave to the shore. He know's why he's in Buffalo and he's OK with it.

[PG 13]

You're right. That's how it's supposed to be. But ironiclly, our best defenseman through the first 5 games is already injured due to Antropov taking liberties and boarding him. He could have concussed him had he got more of his elbow on Spacek's head. But its a sprained shoulder nonetheless. Peters presence did nothing to prevent that from happening. With all of the injuries this team has endured over the last two seasons, Peters presence really hasn't done much at all to keep this team protected. Why?


I thought the hit on Spacek was clean. I was at the game and it was right in front of me. I haven't seen a replay besides on the scoreboard but I thought it was a bad call.

[PG 13]

Ah, another member of the intellectually bankrupt, "your opinion differs from mine, so you're clueless" crowd.

Your opinion is based on baseless speculation, mine is based on fact and experience.

My opinion>>>than yours

[unklechucky]

LOL @ May using Petey as a rag doll

Here's another example of Peters doing his job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd4mJ1m99HU

I don't think they've fought, but come on...May is one of the best all time enforcers. Peters isn't even top 10 all time.

[unklechucky]

Your opinion is based on baseless speculation, mine is based on fact and experience.

My opinion>>>than yours

Youre opinion is just fact in your eyes. Don't go being an internet bully, we're just saying quit defending the obvious.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

This team would be a lot more badass if it signed Brad May and let Peters walk in the offseason. May intimidated the hell out of Chris Neil in the Stanley Cup Finals last June.

[Thumper]

Don't be a clown. He went out there and tried to rip Heatleys head from his torso. He then jumped on Spezza's back and then pounded on the goalie. I say he made himself known that night.

What? He went out there and tried to rip Heatley's head off? He didn't even hit him. Heatley never even fell to the ice. Your ignoring reality.

He jumped on Spezza's back? When? After Mair already pummeled him and then got jumped by 2 other Senators? Yeah, that's when Peters got in there. He was doing as much as the linesmen were at that point....Pulling players off of eachother....THEN he got to Emery, after Biron had already made more of a point than Peters. The only guy that didn't have a partner on both sides of the ice was who? Dany Heatley....The guy who Peters let go as soon as he was grabbed, meanwhile, Mair was taking on 3 guys. That's the only reason he was even available to go after Emery.

I bet you're going to say "Yeah, but Peters went after Ottawa's toughest player on the ice" referring to Emery....Who cares? Emery's wearing 8 to 10 bulky pounds of padding and already fought once...Neil took out our best all around player. So Peters should have taken out Ottawa's best all around player on the ice. Heatley. All Peters did was put Miller to risk for the last game of the season against Ottawa.


What about the next night? Buffalo player gets dropped, he goes after Phillips.
The damage was already done the night before. And for the second time, he went after the wrong guy. Either get the guy who got your's, or get the guy most comparable to the guy you lost on your team. That's either Heatley or Alfredsson. Take your pick.

[Thumper]

The code in fighting is you go after tough guys. Instead of hammering on someone non-fighting D man, or by suckering Heatley...he went after emery, who he knew fought in the minors.

People that fight players like Sekera get dealt with by good enforcers like Peters.

And what code was Neil following when he went head hunting for Drury? The only one who responded to that was Mair.....He went after Neil the next game. Peters didn't. Hello???

[Sabres244]

Don't be a clown. He went out there and tried to rip Heatleys head from his torso. He then jumped on Spezza's back and then pounded on the goalie. I say he made himself known that night.


He made a name for himself a big chicken shit that goes and fights a goalie

Let's break down the Ottawa brawl.

1. Peters goes after Heatley, can't even get him to the ground and lets him skate away.
2. Peters goes into a pile, grabs and official and a Sens players while a Sabres players is on top of him already.
3. Peters then goes after Spezza(a known tough guy). By the way Mair already went after Spezza and actually took him down and landed punches then took on 2 other Sens.
4. Peters follows that up by doing the lowest of all things and goes after a goalie who already had been in a fight and if not for all that equipment he probably get his ass beat.

Watch the video to see what a great enforcer Peters is.

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[MauvaisSang]

Your opinion is based on baseless speculation, mine is based on fact and experience.

My opinion>>>than yours

Hahahah! Everytime work sucks and I need a laugh I come to this thread. So first off, thanks for that.

I assume you're literate, as your spelling is good. So are you just too lazy to actually read people's posts? I haven't really even said much about Peters in this thread - my posts have more been about the intellectual three year olds (like yourself) who can't have a grownup disagreement, and instead call names and insult the intelligence/mental capacities of those who have differing opinions.

But I do happen to agree with Sabres244, Connolly19, Thumper, and the rest who think Peters isn't being effective (or used effectively) in his role as an 'enforcer.' And to say their arguments are 'baseless speculation' proves you're either illiterate, not reading their posts, or unable to respond to their arguments. They have written long posts, full of facts, statistics, and evidence to support their opinion. Rather than try to engage their arguments, and counter them with arguments or opinions of your own, you call them clueless. The only "evidence" you use to back up this assertion is that they don't have the same opinion as you. It's very much like a child stomping his feet and yelling when he gets frustrated.

And where are these venerable posts of yours, steeped in fact and experience? Mostly what I get from you and yr ilk is "you don't know what you're talking about, and I do." That's hardly fact, and the only experience I see in that is experience being pigheaded and trite. So why don't you lay some of your lauded knowledge down on us, blow our minds with your irrefutable facts, rather than arguing with the wherewithal of a child?

[unklechucky]

Hahahah! Everytime work sucks and I need a laugh I come to this thread. So first off, thanks for that.

I assume you're literate, as your spelling is good. So are you just too lazy to actually read people's posts? I haven't really even said much about Peters in this thread - my posts have more been about the intellectual three year olds (like yourself) who can't have a grownup disagreement, and instead call names and insult the intelligence/mental capacities of those who have differing opinions.

But I do happen to agree with Sabres244, Connolly19, Thumper, and the rest who think Peters isn't being effective (or used effectively) in his role as an 'enforcer.' And to say their arguments are 'baseless speculation' proves you're either illiterate, not reading their posts, or unable to respond to their arguments. They have written long posts, full of facts, statistics, and evidence to support their opinion. Rather than try to engage their arguments, and counter them with arguments or opinions of your own, you call them clueless. The only "evidence" you use to back up this assertion is that they don't have the same opinion as you. It's very much like a child stomping his feet and yelling when he gets frustrated.

And where are these venerable posts of yours, steeped in fact and experience? Mostly what I get from you and yr ilk is "you don't know what you're talking about, and I do." That's hardly fact, and the only experience I see in that is experience being pigheaded and trite. So why don't you lay some of your lauded knowledge down on us, blow our minds with your irrefutable facts, rather than arguing with the wherewithal of a child?

Id like to know what expierience he speaks of. Maybe years of WATCHING hockey, but thats about all

[emo]

is there anyone that thinks emery would lose a fight to peters? honestly

[MauvaisSang]

is there anyone that thinks emery would lose a fight to peters? honestly

Yeah, there's a reason Emery was laughing through that whole thing.

[emo]

Yeah, there's a reason Emery was laughing through that whole thing.

I realize tht boxing and hockey fights are not the same thing, but I'd take emery in that fight

[Rockstar]

They had 1, and how much did he play in the playoffs?

May isn't an enforcer he actually has skill



Having skill doesn’t mean you can't be an enforcer

[unklechucky]

Having skill doesn’t mean you can't be an enforcer

In fact, back in the day, most players had to do both.

[Rockstar]

That's the thing. The NHL is different now. The instigator penalty has ruined that aspect of what used to be a great part of the game. That's not Peters fault. Its just the way it is. His presence on the bench hasn't prevented it from happening enough at all

So he fought Emery after Biron already had. Big freaking deal. If anything, that was taking things too far. Especially considering how easy Emery was on Biron. Even Ruff said that Peters on Emery was taking things too far. Fighting a goaltender with all of that padding on his upper body isn't even a fair fight. That's why goaltenders fight eachother, and players fight eachother.

So if you ask me, Peters didn't do his job that night either.


So as not to be accused of having a man crush on Thumpers points, I want to strongly disagree on the fighting Emery thing. I loved seeing that smirking a-hole get punched in the face. Probably the best fight of Peters career. Honestly! He stood there and threw like a man. You know why?!? Ever put on full ice gear and play net? You can’t throw a punch!!! Peters knew he wouldn’t get hit in the face. He sucks.

By the way more importantly, Thumpers comment on the instigator penalty is completely accurate. This rule is to me the most painful thing the NHL has done since locking out the players. Thank you NHL for putting all the stars of the league in jeopardy of injury by taking away the fear of getting your ass kicked if you cheep shot a skill player or goaltender. Fkin genious.

One other thing.. Whats with the dude screaming like a twelve year old in this thread? Passion I get. One post, two posts. Been there done that. An entire thread of screaming the same redundant point without any points of argument?

[amico1990]

THE MOST PATHETIC THING I HAVE EVER SEEN IN THIS RANGE, IS SOMEONE ACTUALLY TRYING TO ARGUE THIS. You know who you are...just SHUT THE **** UP!!! YOU DON'T LIKE PETERS, ****ING TOUGH YOU GOT HIM FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT SO SHUT YOUR ****ING MOUTHS AND DEAL WITH IT!!!! OK!!!! ANY MORON WANT TO RESPOND WITH SOME DUB QUESTION OR COMMENT??????

nice post...Good to see you can remain objective and have an intelligent converation. By the way, caps don't make your argument sound smarter, nor do they intimidate anyone: they're just obnoxious.

Also, enough with the name calling; when your argument strays from the topic, and instead focuses on the person your arguing with...you've lost the argument.

[Rockstar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzTJOKjRc9w

Peters did the right thing jumpin in here. That was it. That is an example of how not to fight a hockey fight. It's actually boring. Hell, Rick even said "there ready to go now" and then they never did. Peters patented extended arm, keeping the other fighter at bay. So basically if the other guy doesn’t just stand there, we end up with two guys wrestling. How freakin boring and lame. Fight Peters! Fight!
Oh and go figure, Peters ended up on his ass first anyway.

[Rockstar]

LOL @ May using Petey as a rag doll

Here's another example of Peters doing his job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd4mJ1m99HU

I call it like I see it. That actually was a good fight on Peters part. He actually stood and fought toe to toe, too bad it almost never happens that way
:duel:

[Sabres244]

watch what happens when a fights a real fighter

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[Rockstar]

I realize tht boxing and hockey fights are not the same thing, but I'd take emery in that fight

Minus the goalie equipment I also would take Emery. And certainly not because I like him. I don't even necessarily dislike Peters. I just don't think he is good at what he does..

[Sabres244]

Having skill doesn’t mean you can't be an enforcer

I didn't says goons have to have skill. I said most teams in the NHL and you can look it have players that have some skill and aren't afraid to drop the gloves. Guys like Avery,Mair,Neil, etc.... The "goon" is slowly becoming a thing of the past

[Sabres244]

I call it like I see it. That actually was a good fight on Peters part. He actually stood and fought toe to toe, too bad it almost never happens that way
:duel:

I think it's a better fight on Alberts part, he's the one that didn't back down.

[Rockstar]

I think it's a better fight on Alberts part, he's the one that didn't back down.

Umm I don't know if you have read the last five pages of this thread or not, but I'm not exactly a Peters fan. I was just giving a little credit to the posters trying to prove Peters worth by agreeing this wasn't a horrible fight. If you go back and read my posts you will see I have ripped Peters apart quite badly.

[Scary Good]

Wow, you guys are clueless. Spezza is a tough guy? That's hilarious.

[Sabres244]

Wow, you guys are clueless. Spezza is a tough guy? That's hilarious.

sarcasm, champ

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Wow, you guys are clueless. Spezza is a tough guy? That's hilarious.

twoforefore was being sarcastic.

[Scary Good]

Sorry, didn't find teh sarcasm in this trash bin full of posts.

[Sabres244]

twinkforefore was being sarcastic.

Obviously. By the way thats TOS.

[Sabres244]

Sorry, didn't find teh sarcasm in this trash bin full of posts.

Blinded by light huh?

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Obviously. By the way thats TOS.

:kitty:

Hockeystud violated TOS like a mofo last night; he's not banned.

Can't get rid of me that easily, amigo.

[Sabres244]

:kitty:

Hockeystud violated TOS like a mofo last night; he's not banned.

Can't get rid of me that easily, amigo.

I reported him too.

TrEd :kitty:

[Carl J. Ironsides]

I reported him too.

Where'd that get you, top cop?

[Sabres244]

Where'd that get you, top cop?

The hierarchy will not listen to my insight here.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

The hierarchy will not listen to my insight here.

I say we settle our differences.

You up for a dance-off?

Time: 4 p.m. on Oct. 28.

Place: The front of Buffalo City Hall.

Let's go. I'll be the one with the frosted tips, pink bandanna and glittery saddle shoes.

[Sabres244]

I say we settle our differences.

You up for a dance-off?

Time: 4 p.m. on Oct. 28.

Place: The front of Buffalo City Hall.

Let's go. I'll be the one with the frosted tips, pink bandanna and glittery saddle shoes.

Ok. I'll be there, with a leather biker hat on, a leather vest with nothing on under except my hairy chest and a pair of tight blue jeans on and a belt with a giant peace sign belt buckle

[shotgun]

your 100% right i think there only keeping him because he is a tought guy and the sabres lack that . there all skill no fist.thay need a guy like girer or neil a guy who can backcheck play defense score 12-15 goals a year and fight. or even a barnaby.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

Ok. I'll be there, with a leather biker hat on, a leather vest with nothing on under except my hairy chest and a pair of tight blue jeans on and a belt with a giant peace sign belt buckle

Phenomenal choice of ensemble. Maybe this world is big enough for the two of us after all.

We can start a dance duo called "The Dancing Queens." You in?

[Sabres244]

Phenomenal choice of ensemble. Maybe this world is big enough for the two of us after all.

We can start a dance duo called "The Dancing Queens." You in?

Oh yea.

[Scary Good]

I'm wearing ass-less chaps, and I will PWN you like Im Peters and you're May

[unklechucky]

Ok holy bad mental images guys(and im using guys lightly)

[Thumper]

I'm wearing ass-less chaps, and I will PWN you like Im Peters and you're May

Did you notice how when May punches with his right fist, and when May punches with his left fist, one is just as powerful as the other? Notice how May doesn't turn and hide his face, while occasionally trying to land a punch over the top, while keeping his distance?

[Scary Good]

Ever notice how may cheap shots people? Didn't think so.

[Thumper]

Ever notice how may cheap shots people? Didn't think so.

I have noticed that, yeah. May sure does cheap shot guys here and there. He's an ******* on the ice. If Peters suckerpunched a few guys, I bet opposing teams would dread playing against him. Presently, they're taking every liberty with our team that they want. Why? Cuz Peters scares no one.

[Scary Good]

LOL Lets start suckering innocent people. Nice life.

[Thumper]

LOL Lets start suckering innocent people. Nice life.

This coming from a Pro Wrestling fan....Bravo.

[SabresFan220]

Peters has his uses, unfortunately there are other players on other teams that can do what he does while also being better hockey players. If Peters could contribute a regular shift no one would complain that he is useless.

[Scary Good]

Hulk Hogan would murder Brad May, for teh record :kitty: BROTHER.