Pat Tillman Is Dead

[JLB]

In case you didn't hear about this Pat Tillman is dead.

May he :rip:

[г]

But the issues surrounding his death are anything but dead, except to Republican pole-smokers

[nehemiah]

the right-wing monkey dance is beginning.

all aboard.

[ICRockets]

classless, jlb. you're better than this.

[JLB]

Pat Tillman was an American hero somebody who felt the need to serve we need to know the truth.

Lets see where this investigation leads and take appropriate action if determined to be necessary.

God Bless America and may God Bless Pat Tillman may he :rip:

[Ru]

I think he'd laugh in your face if you ever said "God Bless" anything, but whatever makes you feel better.

[JLB]

classless, jlb. you're better than this.

IC I want anybody hung who had anything to do with a criminal action.

Hang high I would show absolutely no mercy that's where I stand where do the rest stand?

This man was an American hero period.

[JLB]

I think he'd laugh in your face if you ever said "God Bless" anything, but whatever makes you feel better.

If your responding to me you don't know me at all.

When I say may God Bless America Pat Tillman or you I mean it.

[Ru]

It has nothing to do with you. I'm saying that Tillman would've laughed in your face for saying something so silly.

[JLB]

It has nothing to do with you. I'm saying that Tillman would've laughed in your face for saying something so silly.

Ru I'm real I doubt anybody would laugh in my face.

Especially a sincere young man who only wanted to serve.

What ever the circumstances of his death are determined to be I support Pat and his family period nothing else.

[ICRockets]

Ru I'm real I doubt anybody would laugh in my face.

Especially a sincere young man who only wanted to serve.

What ever the circumstances of his death are determined to be I support Pat and his family period nothing else.

Nothing else?

So you didn't start a thread with a transparently obvious title aimed at mocking Pete and nehe's threads?

It's all about the grief you feel for Pat's family's loss?

[JLB]

Nothing else?

So you didn't start a thread with a transparently obvious title aimed at mocking Pete and nehe's threads?

It's all about the grief you feel for Pat's family's loss?

I'm making my statement as clearly as I know how I'm for finding out what happened that's it period.

If he was murdered I want to know and I don't care if Pete or anybody starts 600 threads about the story.

[JLB]

I'm watching testimony(statement being given) right now by Donald Rumsfeld anybody else?

[JLB]

It's live right now on C-Span 3.

[anEinherjer]

:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz:

[JLB]

to boring anEin?

[JLB]

this is a serious thread not a multi bash thread.

this will serve as the factual thread as testimony is given and determinations are made.

[JLB]

Abazaid is being questioned now by Waxman.

and has just ended.

[JLB]

Richard Myers is up now.

[JLB]

Fox is reporting that the Army knew it was a fratracide long before they told anybody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155434,00.html

[anEinherjer]

Wait, it was fratricide? Holy shit, I had no idea. :rolleyes:

I'm glad someone cares about this yet again, but it ain't me, sorry.

[JLB]

Wait, it was fratricide? Holy shit, I had no idea. :rolleyes:

I'm glad someone cares about this yet again, but it ain't me, sorry.

I understand there are a couple Tillman threads out there have a good day.

[mark3274]

In case you didn't hear about this Pat Tillman is dead.

May he :rip:

awwwwwwwww afraid of the truth coming out Republicans have good reason to fear Iraq is going to send all your dreams to hell.

[JLB]

awwwwwwwww afraid of the truth coming out Republicans have good reason to fear Iraq is going to send all your dreams to hell.

wow you really seem to care about the truth.

[г]

You seem confused. So which is it going to be ?

Oooga-booga witch-doctor crap doled out with as much sincerity as putting a subway token in a turnstile?

i.e.


When I say may God Bless America Pat Tillman or you I mean it.

or

this will serve as the factual thread

Make up your mind...

[shiva2999]

Jlb was watching the hearing and after satisfying himself that nothing embarrassing was going to come from it (other than everyone claiming personal stupidity), he decided that the best strategy was to claim he cared about finding the truth.

Then, after the hearings were over, he could claim that the military's stonewalling "proves" that nothing nefarious happened and the "truth" has been established.

[г]

I loved his 'play-by-play'
I figured that would last @ 30 minutes before he realized how much of a 'tard he looks like by posting that...

[shiva2999]

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Rummy uses the tried and true Gonzo defense.

Cue jlb...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/01/tillman.probe/index.html

Rumsfeld: No cover-up in Tillman's death

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Wednesday there was no evidence of a cover-up of the circumstances of Army Ranger Cpl. Pat Tillman's death.

"I know that I would not engage in a cover-up. I know that no one in the White House suggested such a thing to me," Rumsfeld testified before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which is examining what senior Defense Department officials knew about Tillman's April 2004 death by friendly fire and when they knew it.

Tillman's parents, brother and widow attended the hearing.

Rumsfeld said he was sure Tillman's family felt "great sorrow at their son's death" and "the handling of the circumstances could only have added to the pain of losing a loved one. I offer ... my deep regrets."

Rumsfeld testified that he didn't recall precisely when he learned of Tillman's death. "It could have been internally or it could have been through the press," he said.

"The only action I can recall taking was to draft a letter to the family," he added.

He said he didn't remember when he first heard of the possibility that Tillman's death was the result of fratricide.

Rumsfeld said he did not recall discussing the case with the White House until it had become public knowledge that Tillman was killed by friendly fire.

He said he did not instruct his staff to try to influence news coverage of Tillman's death.

Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, asked Rumsfeld how he could not have known that Tillman was killed by American troops.

"You're talking about an institution of something like 3 million people -- active duty, reserve, guard, civilians, contractors," Rumsfeld said. "There are so many things going on in that department in any given year. ... It's like a city of 3 million people. It's not possible for someone to know all the things that are going on."

...more...

[JLB]

the ignorance crowd never disappoints.

[ICRockets]

the ignorance crowd never disappoints.

It's true, you certainly don't.

[г]

I would hardly call Uppy and JLB a 'crowd'..more of a 'civil union' or 'friends with benefits'

[Gibby]

In case you didn't hear about this Pat Tillman is dead.

May he :rip:

where you been J?

[35Pete]

Pat Tillman was an American hero somebody who felt the need to serve we need to know the truth.

Lets see where this investigation leads and take appropriate action if determined to be necessary.

God Bless America and may God Bless Pat Tillman may he :rip:

Better yet. Let's push this issue as hard as we can, question everything possible, and see if we can prevent YET ANOTHER COVERUP.

Because only a bleeping ****ing idiot would take yet another investigation at face value, right?

[35Pete]

Jlb was watching the hearing and after satisfying himself that nothing embarrassing was going to come from it (other than everyone claiming personal stupidity), he decided that the best strategy was to claim he cared about finding the truth.

Then, after the hearings were over, he could claim that the military's stonewalling "proves" that nothing nefarious happened and the "truth" has been established.

:rofl:

Don't pick on Jlb. Shakespeare and Gilly are crossing their fingers that congress doesn't find anything either. Then, they'll declare the whitewash a "victory" neverminding that we've already been lied to TWICE.

But of course it's all tin hat. LOL

[pmoon6]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Ex-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other top former Pentagon brass denied any cover-up and rejected personal responsibility Wednesday for the military's bungled response to Army Ranger Pat Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan.
"I know that I would not engage in a cover-up. I know that no one in the White House suggested such a thing to me. I know that the gentlemen sitting next to me are men of enormous integrity and would not participate in something like that," Rumsfeld told a House committee.

It was Rumsfeld's first public appearance on Capitol Hill since President Bush replaced him with Robert Gates late last year. He reiterated previous testimony to investigators that he didn't have early knowledge that Tillman was cut down on April 22, 2004, by fellow Rangers, not by enemy militia, as was initially claimed.

The truth was kept from the public and Tillman's own family until five weeks later—May 29, 2004. Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, his brother, Kevin, and other family members watched silently from the back row at Wednesday's hearing before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Afterward they left without commenting.

Retired Gen. Richard Myers, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he learned of the likelihood of friendly fire toward the end of April but that it wasn't his responsibility to inform the White House or the Tillman family.

"I don't think there's any regulation that would require me to do anything," said Myers. He blamed the Army.

"This is the responsibility of the United States Army, not of the office of the chairman, so I regret that the Army did not do their duty here and follow their own policy," Myers said.

Rumsfeld and Myers both said they couldn't remember precisely how or when they learned of Tillman's death or that it might be friendly fire. Rumsfeld said he didn't recall discussing the Tillman issue with the White House until the fratricide became public.

At the White House, presidential spokesman Tony Snow said the administration stands by Rumsfeld's comment that there was no cover-up of how Tillman died.

"I'm certainly not going to contradict Secretary Rumsfeld," Snow said.

"It is deeply regrettable that this sort of thing happened, and you try to make sure that it doesn't happen at anytime," he added.

Tillman's death received worldwide attention because he had walked away from a huge contract with the National Football League's Arizona Cardinals to enlist in the Army after 9/11.

Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., aired his frustration at the repeated denials of responsibility from the four witnesses: Rumsfeld, Myers, retired Gen. John P. Abizaid, the former commander of the U.S. Central Command, and retired Gen. Bryan Douglas Brown, former commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command.

"You've all admitted that the system failed. The public should have known, the family should have known earlier, whoever was responsible," Waxman said as the hearing ended. "None of you feel you personally were responsible but the system itself didn't work."

" 'The system didn't work, errors were made'—that's too passive. Somebody should be responsible, and we're trying to figure that out," Waxman said.

Greeting Rumsfeld as he entered the hearing room were two activists who held signs reading "war criminal."

"Are you not ashamed?" one said. Rumsfeld didn't react. The activists renewed their chants after the hearing ended, shouting "Donald Rumsfeld, you're a war criminal." Again, Rumsfeld didn't acknowledge them.

Rumsfeld was mostly sober and measured in his testimony. On occasion there were flashes of the cocky, combative Rumsfeld known to the public from Pentagon briefings.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, demanded to know whether there was a White House and Defense Department strategy to manage press portrayals of the war and other events.

"Well, if there was, it wasn't very good," Rumsfeld remarked.

"Well, you know, maybe it was very good," Kucinich objected loudly. "Because you actually covered up the Tillman case for a while, you covered up the Jessica Lynch case, you covered up Abu Ghraib, so something was working for you.

"Was there a strategy to do it, Mr. Rumsfeld?"

"Congressman, the implication that 'you covered up'—that's just false, you have nothing to base that on, you have not a scrap of evidence or a piece of paper or a witness that would attest to that," Rumsfeld replied hotly. "I have not been involved in any cover-up whatsoever."

The congressional inquiry comes a day after the Army laid most of the blame for the response to Tillman's death on Philip Kensinger, a retired three-star general who led Army special operations forces after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The Army censured Kensinger for "a failure of leadership" and accused him of lying to investigators probing the aftermath of Tillman's death. A review panel made up of four-star generals will decide whether Kensinger should have his rank reduced.

more...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QOCURG1&show_article=1

You're right, Pete. We can't take the investigation at face value. Looks to me like it's political grandstanding by some.

One is running for President.

[35Pete]

WASHINGTON (AP) - Ex-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other top former Pentagon brass denied any cover-up and rejected personal responsibility Wednesday for the military's bungled response to Army Ranger Pat Tillman's friendly-fire death in Afghanistan.
"I know that I would not engage in a cover-up. I know that no one in the White House suggested such a thing to me. I know that the gentlemen sitting next to me are men of enormous integrity and would not participate in something like that," Rumsfeld told a House committee.

It was Rumsfeld's first public appearance on Capitol Hill since President Bush replaced him with Robert Gates late last year. He reiterated previous testimony to investigators that he didn't have early knowledge that Tillman was cut down on April 22, 2004, by fellow Rangers, not by enemy militia, as was initially claimed.

The truth was kept from the public and Tillman's own family until five weeks later—May 29, 2004. Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, his brother, Kevin, and other family members watched silently from the back row at Wednesday's hearing before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Afterward they left without commenting.

Retired Gen. Richard Myers, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he learned of the likelihood of friendly fire toward the end of April but that it wasn't his responsibility to inform the White House or the Tillman family.

"I don't think there's any regulation that would require me to do anything," said Myers. He blamed the Army.

"This is the responsibility of the United States Army, not of the office of the chairman, so I regret that the Army did not do their duty here and follow their own policy," Myers said.

Rumsfeld and Myers both said they couldn't remember precisely how or when they learned of Tillman's death or that it might be friendly fire. Rumsfeld said he didn't recall discussing the Tillman issue with the White House until the fratricide became public.

At the White House, presidential spokesman Tony Snow said the administration stands by Rumsfeld's comment that there was no cover-up of how Tillman died.

"I'm certainly not going to contradict Secretary Rumsfeld," Snow said.

"It is deeply regrettable that this sort of thing happened, and you try to make sure that it doesn't happen at anytime," he added.

Tillman's death received worldwide attention because he had walked away from a huge contract with the National Football League's Arizona Cardinals to enlist in the Army after 9/11.

Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., aired his frustration at the repeated denials of responsibility from the four witnesses: Rumsfeld, Myers, retired Gen. John P. Abizaid, the former commander of the U.S. Central Command, and retired Gen. Bryan Douglas Brown, former commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command.

"You've all admitted that the system failed. The public should have known, the family should have known earlier, whoever was responsible," Waxman said as the hearing ended. "None of you feel you personally were responsible but the system itself didn't work."

" 'The system didn't work, errors were made'—that's too passive. Somebody should be responsible, and we're trying to figure that out," Waxman said.

Greeting Rumsfeld as he entered the hearing room were two activists who held signs reading "war criminal."

"Are you not ashamed?" one said. Rumsfeld didn't react. The activists renewed their chants after the hearing ended, shouting "Donald Rumsfeld, you're a war criminal." Again, Rumsfeld didn't acknowledge them.

Rumsfeld was mostly sober and measured in his testimony. On occasion there were flashes of the cocky, combative Rumsfeld known to the public from Pentagon briefings.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, demanded to know whether there was a White House and Defense Department strategy to manage press portrayals of the war and other events.

"Well, if there was, it wasn't very good," Rumsfeld remarked.

"Well, you know, maybe it was very good," Kucinich objected loudly. "Because you actually covered up the Tillman case for a while, you covered up the Jessica Lynch case, you covered up Abu Ghraib, so something was working for you.

"Was there a strategy to do it, Mr. Rumsfeld?"

"Congressman, the implication that 'you covered up'—that's just false, you have nothing to base that on, you have not a scrap of evidence or a piece of paper or a witness that would attest to that," Rumsfeld replied hotly. "I have not been involved in any cover-up whatsoever."

The congressional inquiry comes a day after the Army laid most of the blame for the response to Tillman's death on Philip Kensinger, a retired three-star general who led Army special operations forces after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The Army censured Kensinger for "a failure of leadership" and accused him of lying to investigators probing the aftermath of Tillman's death. A review panel made up of four-star generals will decide whether Kensinger should have his rank reduced.

more...
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QOCURG1&show_article=1

You're right, Pete. We can't take the investigation at face value. Looks to me like it's political grandstanding by some.

One is running for President.

OK then. We should just wrap it up. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[shiva2999]

"Congressman, the implication that 'you covered up'—that's just false, you have nothing to base that on, you have not a scrap of evidence or a piece of paper or a witness that would attest to that," Rumsfeld replied hotly. "I have not been involved in any cover-up whatsoever."


Translation"

"You got nuthin' on me copper, you can't prove nuthin!"

BTW, have you started reading Spycatcher yet?

[35Pete]

Translation"

"You got nuthin' on me copper, you can't prove nuthin!"

BTW, have you started reading Spycatcher yet?

"You're nothin' but a bunch of hot air with a badge". ~ Al Capone.

[pmoon6]

Translation"

"You got nuthin' on me copper, you can't prove nuthin!"

BTW, have you started reading Spycatcher yet?Yeah, just started it.

[pmoon6]

Unfortunately guys, bringing someone to trial and convicting requires evidence. Rumsfeld may indeed be culpable. You just have to prove it.

Kinda like what 35Pete said to Officer Moon when he pulled him over:

"Hunches and gut feelings don't count, you jackbooted, goose stepping moron"

[shiva2999]

Unfortunately guys, bringing someone to trial and convicting requires evidence. Rumsfeld may indeed be culpable. You just have to prove it.


If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.

[35Pete]

Unfortunately guys, bringing someone to trial and convicting requires evidence. Rumsfeld may indeed be culpable. You just have to prove it.

Kinda like what 35Pete said to Officer Moon when he pulled him over:

"Hunches and gut feelings don't count, you jackbooted, goose stepping moron"

No that is quite true moonie.

But if an officer were to ask you a reasonable question, and you lied, and he could prove that you lied, not once but twice, then he's got probable cause. And I have no issue with that.

[shiva2999]

BTW, you can't tell me that they couldn't figure out who fired the shots.

Why do we not know who that is?

Why is he not testifying?

[35Pete]

BTW, you can't tell me that they couldn't figure out who fired the shots.

Why do we not know who that is?

Why is he not testifying?

Because next week he's going to die in a firefight gallantly fighting Al-Qaeda. He can't go to DC and get back in time for the battle.

[JLB]

It's true, you certainly don't.

IC very clever.
You understand it was a natural comeback as was yours. :rockon:

[JLB]

Better yet. Let's push this issue as hard as we can, question everything possible, and see if we can prevent YET ANOTHER COVERUP.

Because only a bleeping ****ing idiot would take yet another investigation at face value, right?

coverup?:dunno:

you came to that conclusion based on what testimony from today?

[shiva2999]

coverup?:dunno:

you came to that conclusion based on what testimony from today?

See?

What did I tell you?

[JLB]

See?

What did I tell you?

i've been out for almost 3 hours did they prove a coverup?

[JLB]

Do we know who shot him?

[г]

If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.


Hey, don't the Goldmans own the rights to that saying, now ?

You'll be hearing from their lawyers...

[shiva2999]

Do we know who shot him?

I don't.

Do you?

[JLB]

I don't.

Do you?

Why don't we know?

[shiva2999]

Why don't we know?

Because it's been covered up.

[JLB]

Because it's been covered up.

Really what's the policy when one is killed by friendly fire?

[shiva2999]

Really what's the policy when one is killed by friendly fire?

Cover up and lie apparently.

[JLB]

Cover up and lie apparently.

there is a policy is it to protect the shooter?

they must know who shot Tillman.

[Green Lantern]

In case you didn't hear about this Pat Tillman is dead.

May he :rip:

Who's Pat Tillman?

[JLB]

Who's Pat Tillman?

really?

[Green Lantern]

really?

Was he an accomplice of OJ?

OJ was on a live feed last night on the internet with uncensored questions.

The first caller asked: What did you find to be a harder accomplishment...two thousand rushing yards in one season or slitting two throats in one night?

[shiva2999]

Was he an accomplice of OJ?

OJ was on a live feed last night on the internet with uncensored questions.

The first caller asked: What did you find to be a harder accomplishment...two thousand rushing yards in one season or slitting two throats in one night?

:rofl:

[JLB]

Was he an accomplice of OJ?

OJ was on a live feed last night on the internet with uncensored questions.

The first caller asked: What did you find to be a harder accomplishment...two thousand rushing yards in one season or slitting two throats in one night?

he probably just laughed and said of course the rushing record.