Senate votes 97 - 0 for war with Iran

[shiva2999]

Yesterday the ENTIRE ****ING SENATE voted for this piece of bellicose bullshit.

Un-****ing-believeable.

Sure, the brains behhind it were the three Republican stooges, Lieberman, McCain and Graham, along with two wannabes, Kyl and Norm Coleman.

But for God's sake, the whole group voted for this. Not ONE person to stand up and say wait a ****ing minute.

There's only one party, the War Party.

http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=278654

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 11, 2007

Contact: Marshall Wittmann, 202-224-4041
Lieberman, McCain, Kyl, Graham, and Coleman Offer Iran Amendment

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Senators Lieberman, McCain, Kyl, Graham, and Coleman today introduced a bipartisan amendment to the Defense Authorization Act, confronting the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran over its proxy attacks on American soldiers in Iraq.

The amendment details the publicly available evidence put forward over the past year by General David Petraeus, commanding general of Multi-National Force Iraq, and others about Iran’s violent and destabilizing activities in Iraq.

The amendment states that “the murder of members of the United States Armed Forces by a foreign government or its agents is an intolerable act of hostility against the United States,” and demands the government of Iran “take immediate action” to end all forms of support it is providing to Iraqi militias and insurgents. The amendment also mandates a regular report on Iran’s anti-coalition activity in Iraq.

“For many months, our military commanders and diplomats have warned us that the Iranian government has been training, equipping, arming, and funding proxies in Iraq who are murdering our troops,” said Senator Lieberman. “This amendment is a common sense, common ground statement of the Senate to Tehran: we know what you are doing, and you must stop.”

“American officials attest that the government in Teheran seeks to bleed the United States and render unsuccessful our efforts to bring about a stable and self-governing in Iraq,” said Senator McCain. “This amendment will send a clear signal: Iran’s activities in Iraq are wrong, and they must end immediately.”

“The Iranians are attempting to thwart our policies in the Middle East by actively supporting terrorists who are killing our troops in Iraq,” said Senator Kyl. “It is time we acknowledge this hostility against us, and this amendment tells the Iranians we will not tolerate any actions which threaten our troops or allies.”

“The evidence is increasingly clear the Iranian government is working to destabilize the Iraqi government,” said Senator Graham. “It is long past time for Congress to speak out about this destructive behavior by Iran. We need one voice, and I expect it will be a unified bipartisan voice, speaking out and condemning these actions by the Iranian government.”

“The United States will not tolerate Iran’s hostile attempts to sabotage our efforts in the Middle East region,” said Senator Coleman. “On my last trip to Iraq, our Minnesota troops in Southern Iraq showed me Iranian-made explosives that were used against them on convoy missions. This crucial amendment makes it clear to the Iranian government, and any other government in the region that seeks to harm our soldiers, that providing any form of support to Iraqi insurgents will not be tolerated and must cease immediately.”

[Gibby]

you've got to be shitting me, God Damn you John Hagee.

[Gibby]

Lieby is insane.

[uppy]

Its about ****ing time !!

[uppy]

What Iran has been doing is an Act of War and I'm glad the whole Senate
had the balls to vote the right way for once.....congrats demo's and GOP !

[Gibby]

Its about ****ing time !!

Tell me Uppy, what does this mean for an overstretched armed forces, war with Iran will mean nothing short of imperial overstretch and it will lead to the collapse of the American empire.

[shiva2999]

Just the fact that Uppy is all for this shows how stupid this is.

What is WRONG with you people?

Bushco is DESPERATE to hold on to the Presidency.

A war with Iran and another terrorist attack in America would just about fix it.

[uppy]

Tell me Uppy, what does this mean for an overstretched armed forces, war with Iran will mean nothing short of imperial overstretch and it will lead to the collapse of the American empire.

It means you might get drafted


hahahahahahahahahahahahah

[uppy]

Just the fact that Uppy is all for this shows how stupid this is.

What is WRONG with you people?

Bushco is DESPERATE to hold on to the Presidency.

A war with Iran and another terrorist attack in America would just about fix it.


It means the Senate has found its mind and is following its oath of office

[shiva2999]

What Iran has been doing is an Act of War and I'm glad the whole Senate
had the balls to vote the right way for once.....congrats demo's and GOP !

Just for you Uppy because I know how much you love Chris Floyd...

http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/Down_in_the_Flood%3A_The_Senate%27s_Blank_Check_fo r_War_on_Iran/#jc_allComments

Down in the Flood: The Senate's Blank Check for War on Iran

As you may know -- unless you rely on the corporate media for your news, of course -- yesterday the U.S. Senate unanimously declared that Iran was committing acts of war against the United States: a 97-0 vote to give George W. Bush a clear and unmistakable casus belli for attacking Iran whenever Dick Cheney tells him to.

The bipartisan Senate resolution – the brainchild (or rather the bilechild) of Fightin' Joe Lieberman – affirmed as official fact all of the specious, unproven, ever-changing allegations of direct Iranian involvement in attacks on the American forces now occupying Iraq. The Senators appear to have relied heavily on the recent New York Times story by Michael Gordon that stovepiped unchallenged Pentagon spin directly onto the paper's front page. As Firedoglake points out, John McCain cited the heavily criticized story on the Senate floor as he cast his vote.

It goes without saying that all of this is a nightmarish replay of the run-up to the war of aggression against Iraq: The NYT funneling false flag stories from Bush insiders. Warmongers citing the NYT stories as "proof" justifying any and all action to "defend the Homeland." Credulous and craven Democratic politicians swallowing the Bush line hook and sinker.

To be sure, stout-hearted Dem tribunes like Dick Durbin insisted that their support for declaring that Iran is "committing acts of war" against the United States should not be taken as an "authorization of military action." This is shaky-knees mendacity at its finest. Having officially affirmed that Iran is waging war on American forces, how, pray tell, can you then deny the president when he asks (if he asks) for authorization to "defend our troops?" Answer: you can't. And you know it.

This vote is the clearest signal yet that there will be no real opposition to a Bush Administration attack on Iran. This is yet another blank check from these slavish, ignorant goons; Bush can cash it anytime. This is, in fact, the post-surge "Plan B" that's been mooted lately in the Beltway. As you recall, there was much throwing about of brains on the subject of reviving the "Iraq Study Group" plan when the "surge" (or to call it by its right name, the "punitive escalation") inevitably fails. Bush put the kibosh on that this week ("Him not gonna do nothin' that Daddy's friends tell him to do! Him a big boy, him the decider!"), but that doesn't mean there isn't a fall-back position – or rather, a spring-forward position: an attack on Iran, to rally the nation behind the "war leader" and reshuffle the deck in Iraq.

...more...

[TigerJ]

While I think the allegations behind this act, that Iran is behind a fair amount of the violence directed toward US troops and Iran is indeed working to keep Iraq destabilized, I don't think this act has much in the way of teeth. I hope the US treads very carefully before it ratchets up hostilities with Iran any more. I think we have to account for how Russia and China might react.

[Gibby]

It means you might get drafted


hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Not unless they want a whole platoon and its corresponding company, battalion, and regiment in mutiny.

[Gibby]

Oh and Uppy they usually don't draft those of us with diabetes and hypertension.

[uppy]

Just for you Uppy because I know how much you love Chris Floyd...

...


I see the traitor to his country is not pimping for the Moscow Times these
days...did they dump him?

I will say one good thing about him though he has good takes on some
stuff..and his righting style is entertainig.

Iran has been pushing for war its not the US doing this,also we must keep
the interests of our Allies in the ME in mind when dealing with the Nuts
in Tehran

[uppy]

Oh and Uppy they usually don't draft those of us with diabetes and hypertension.

Diabetes can be delt with with drugs and hypertension is a non-issue
for cannon foder to take rounds before the professional Army goes in.


hahahahahahaha

[Victor7]

Just the fact that Uppy is all for this shows how stupid this is.


+ 1

[35Pete]

Here's what I think.

I don't think it was meant to be a green light to invade Iran.

But this regime will twist it into meaning exactly that.

Problem: 40% of the US's top 10 most profitable corporations are NOT oil companies.

That's a national security issue.

[35Pete]

Diabetes can be delt with with drugs and hypertension is a non-issue
for cannon foder to take rounds before the professional Army goes in.


hahahahahahaha

Ignorance, pure ignorance.

With diabetes, serum glucose levels fluctuate most wildly, and are most difficult to control, during periods of physical or emotional stress. Add the two together and your buddy who's supposed to watch your back is passed out on the side of the road.

More ignorance.

Diabetic hypertension has much more serious consequences than you could even image.

Triple whammy.

Besides. Anyone drafted for the War on Terror should burn his draft card. Do the patriotic thing and refuse.

[Gibby]

Diabetes can be delt with with drugs and hypertension is a non-issue
for cannon foder to take rounds before the professional Army goes in.


hahahahahahaha

Oh well if you really want me in please note that I will be leading at least a battalion into mutiny. They would not want me.

[Meathead]

just for the sake of argument lets assume the reports of iran conducting this type of proxy war are true

what if anything should the united states do about it

[Gibby]

just for the sake of argument lets assume the reports of iran conducting this type of proxy war are true

what if anything should the united states do about it

Embargo and seize bank accounts overseas as well as using hard ball diplomacy to isolate Iran and cripple her economy.

[Meathead]

so youre fighting a difficult war and your going to let them continue to kill your soldiers without risking their own and their only deterrent will be isolation

[Cornellian]

This measure never really called for war with Iran... in actuality it was very reasonable. It called on foreign governments not to kill our soldiers.

I fully support it.

[sukie]

Hey Meathead... Tell me again why the repubs are gonna lose more seats in congress next election?,,, I don't see it.

[Meathead]

because the current republican president and his senior staff are lying torturing covert cia agent exposing cya pardoning war monger fascist scum bastards who have done nothing to weaken and in fact have strengthened our greatest enemy and biggest threat

its not a bj but its close

[sukie]

And the alternative that won in landslide elections accross the nation are making a huge difference?

[Meathead]

the dems have been disappointing so far but theyre still the fresh piece of crap on the manure pile

its gonna take a while to sink into the three hundred tons of sewage under them

unless something dramatic changes it wont happen before the next election

[sukie]

That just means any fresh piece of shit can win anything... Donkey or elephant shit

[Meathead]

sorry but no

junior has blown away the worst president gauge by exponential factors

the party will pay for that infamy

dont worry. apparently we need to learn our lesson about blind partisanship, wild swings between ideologies, and what happens when you ignore checks and balances. youll get your chance to gloat in about five years

[sukie]

But the wave of newcomers... Demos... elected (cough) by massive uncontested margins in both the house and senate haven't changed a thing... not even close... talk about disenfranchisement

[35Pete]

Reps lose 17 more seats in the house, 2 senate seats.

I doubt the reps stand a chance even at the white house.

The public for sure is not in the mood to give another freelancing cowboy a rubber stamp congress.

Your party failed me, failed the American people. They've even failed you. You just don't want to admit it.

Now we're gonna get similar incompetence and arrogance from the other end of the spectrum.

Thanks.

[Meathead]

and the biggest clue the republicans are toast next year - the fact that you didnt tell me to :stfu: when i called your king the worst names in the book. its because theyre true. you know it i know it and everybody else knows it

we should impeach him and his evil cyborg puppetmaster and put them in leg irons. unfortunately the country doesnt have the stomach. but you can bet theyll show it in their votes

[Gibby]

And the alternative that won in landslide elections accross the nation are making a huge difference?

all I can say is up or down vote bitch, up or down vote. With their calls for supermajorities they are the epitome of obstructionist. Supermajorities were wrong when the DNC wanted them and they are wrong now

Up or Down votes, so easy a Pollack can do them.

[Gibby]

But the wave of newcomers... Demos... elected (cough) by massive uncontested margins in both the house and senate haven't changed a thing... not even close... talk about disenfranchisement

up or down votes bitch!!!!

Up or Down votes, so easy a Pollack can do them.

[Meathead]

so youre fighting a difficult war and your going to let them continue to kill your soldiers without risking their own and their only deterrent will be isolation

answer please

[Gibby]

answer please

Okay you want something done. How expensive would it be to put a couple dozen UAVs with hellfire missiles and if you see troops crossing the boarder between Iran and Iraq then blow them the hell up. Of course provide ample warning to the Iranians that you will do this to avoid an international outrage and if they don't listen then kill them.

[Gibby]

Or, since in an article posted by JLB (and as humorously alluded to by the Daily Show, just let Al Qaeda fight Iran because after all the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Al Qaeda doesn't like Iran becuase Iran is arming the Shia militias who are fighting them, well all we have to do is get Al Qaeda to fight Iran and our problem is solved. Sounds strange doesn't it? Oh well war makes strange bedfellows.

[Gibby]

Of course if we did help Al Qaeda fight Iran then Uppy will have to support Al Qaeda and so will the BA and this will mean that our war of terror (compliments of Borat) is nothing but a big goddamn joke but if we were really honest with ourselves we'd admit that we already knew this.

[shiva2999]

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=13407

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 by Staff Writer

Lieberman: US will back Israeli strike on Iran

Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman said on Tuesday that he received the tacit blessing of Europe and the United States for an Israeli military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.

“If we start military operations against Iran alone, then Europe and the US will support us,” Lieberman told Army Radio following a meeting earlier in the week with NATO and European Union officials.

Lieberman said the Western powers acknowledged the severity of the Iranian nuclear threat to the Jewish state, but said that ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are “going to prevent the leaders of countries in Europe and America from deciding on the use of force to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities,” even if diplomacy ultimately fails.

The message Lieberman said the NATO and EU officials conveyed to him is that Israel should “prevent the threat herself.”

[uppy]

Oh well if you really want me in please note that I will be leading at least a battalion into mutiny. They would not want me.

And the other men will follow you as you lead them in a mutiny....lol

Its hard to lead from CCF,you don't have a lot of time on your hands.

[shiva2999]

BTW, the House already passed a resolution to call on the UN Security Council to bring Iran up on charges of "inciting genocide" on June 20 -- a resolution that passed 411 to 2 (the two nay votes being Dennis Kucinich & Ron Paul).

[uppy]

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=13407

Wednesday, July 11, 2007 by Staff Writer

Lieberman: US will back Israeli strike on Iran

Israeli Minister of Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman said on Tuesday that he received the tacit blessing of Europe and the United States for an Israeli military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities.

“If we start military operations against Iran alone, then Europe and the US will support us,” Lieberman told Army Radio following a meeting earlier in the week with NATO and European Union officials.

Lieberman said the Western powers acknowledged the severity of the Iranian nuclear threat to the Jewish state, but said that ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq are “going to prevent the leaders of countries in Europe and America from deciding on the use of force to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities,” even if diplomacy ultimately fails.

The message Lieberman said the NATO and EU officials conveyed to him is that Israel should “prevent the threat herself.”


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[Meathead]

How expensive would it be to put a couple dozen UAVs with hellfire missiles and if you see troops crossing the boarder between Iran and Iraq then blow them the hell up. Of course provide ample warning to the Iranians that you will do this to avoid an international outrage and if they don't listen then kill them.
ur kidding right. i doubt the iranians use border checkpoints and waive their arms when they cross

im just trying to point out that despite all our valid criticisms and condemnations of the war itself we cant just stand by while iran and/or whomever is helping insurgents kill our soldiers and our iraqi allies

sure its a cluster ***k sure its a botched and immoral war by the dummy king, but iran isnt immune from responding to their proxy hostility just because of that

of course theres the concern that bush and his bastards will use this to justify another wingnut inspired war WHICH WOULD BE INSANE but we cant just ignore what iran is alleged to be doing

i just dont think its fair to ridicule this resolution just because we have a horrible lying president

[shiva2999]

ur kidding right. i doubt the iranians use border checkpoints and waive their arms when they cross

im just trying to point out that despite all our valid criticisms and condemnations of the war itself we cant just stand by while iran and/or whomever is helping insurgents kill our soldiers and our iraqi allies

sure its a cluster ***k sure its a botched and immoral war by the dummy king, but iran isnt immune from responding to their proxy hostility just because of that

of course theres the concern that bush and his bastards will use this to justify another wingnut inspired war WHICH WOULD BE INSANE but we cant just ignore what iran is alleged to be doing

i just dont think its fair to ridicule this resolution just because we have a horrible lying president

"didn't think you'd understand." ~ gilchristfan

[Gibby]

BTW, the House already passed a resolution to call on the UN Security Council to bring Iran up on charges of "inciting genocide" on June 20 -- a resolution that passed 411 to 2 (the two nay votes being Dennis Kucinich & Ron Paul).

Two bad I can't vote in both primaries because although I detest many things about Ru Paul (and really I do) he happens to be the least offensive GOPer and a race between him and Dennis the Spinach Kucinich would be the best possible campaign for this country. Now ladies and gentlemen, I have posted this before but its worth posting again. We have seen this movie before, lets not watch it again okay. I mean the acting of the commander guy was terrible in the first one and I really don't think the acting will be any better this time around.

Hmmm, have I seen this movie before? Lets see

1)
Iran hates Israel and Ameninajad is a dangerous man who must be dealt with
- John Hagee

Iraq hates Israel and Hussein is a mad man who must be dealt with
- John Hagee

2) Iran wants Weapons of Mass Destruction and is working on obtaining nooklar weapons

Saddam Hussein is a dictator who is addicted to weapons of mass destruction and wants nooklar weapons and he has been obtaining uranium from Africa
-George W. Bush

3) Iran is not in compliances with UN resolutions
- Condi Rice

Iraq is not compliant with UN resolution ......
- Colin Powell

4) The Iranian People want democracy and freedom
- George Bush

The Iraqi People want democracy and will welcome us as liberators
- George Bush

5) Iran is a threat to stability in the region and to global security as a whole
- George Bush

Iraq is a danger to her neighbors and must be dealt with
- George Bush

and now

Iran is tied to Al Qaeda

Ties exist between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein

People we've seen this movie before, lets not watch it again. Lets answer that old question of what if there was a war and nobody showed up to fight it.

[Gibby]

Anyone in Connecticut? Seriously, get anybody- even a stiff will do nicely- and get them to run against Lieberman. The man is a patriot fair enough, but of Israel. Now there is nothing wrong with standing for an ally who has been attacked but there is something very disturbing about attacking someone just because they dislike said ally. Also lets start ignoring the rapture nuts such as John Hagee and Pat Robertson and can we please see if we can settle something using diplomacy instead of bombs?

[sukie]

I say F it... Just behave like a bigger Canada as far as the world political scene goes.

[Gibby]

ur kidding right. i doubt the iranians use border checkpoints and waive their arms when they cross

im just trying to point out that despite all our valid criticisms and condemnations of the war itself we cant just stand by while iran and/or whomever is helping insurgents kill our soldiers and our iraqi allies

sure its a cluster ***k sure its a botched and immoral war by the dummy king, but iran isnt immune from responding to their proxy hostility just because of that

of course theres the concern that bush and his bastards will use this to justify another wingnut inspired war WHICH WOULD BE INSANE but we cant just ignore what iran is alleged to be doing

i just dont think its fair to ridicule this resolution just because we have a horrible lying president

Of course I'm kidding but the only real way of handling this thing is to continue the enemy of my enemy is my friend streak to its conclusion and help Al Qaeda fight Iran and then we will have come full circle and the shrub will thus have presented the military/industrial complex with a perpetual war machine that will keep up for generations.

[Gibby]

I say F it... Just behave like a bigger Canada as far as the world political scene goes.

Do you how much trouble we could have avoided if we had decided on something like this in say 1989?

[SpikedLemonade]

The Israeli Lobby hard at work I see.

[Gibby]

The Israeli Lobby hard at work I see.

Also explains Levy's cash to crap scheme. He is a closet zionist and seeks to make the Bills the Israeli national team. They decided this on a special plenum on sports in that old Prague grave yard, what you haven't read the protocals of the learned elders of zion? :D

[sukie]

No financial support for poor nations... no Diplomacy needed... Drop out of the UN and let the rest of the world just duke it out with borders changing over seas unimpeded... We need to drill off shore and in Alaska... DRILL BABY

[Gibby]

No financial support for poor nations... no Diplomacy needed... Drop out of the UN and let the rest of the world just duke it out with borders changing over seas unimpeded... We need to drill off shore and in Alaska... DRILL BABY

Now you're talking sense. As for the UN well its already a useless organization and is in need of being disbanded or overhauled. It should be reduced to collective security and the preservation of peace, no more and no less.

[sukie]

We need more coal power... Damn every river... nuke power plants all over the place and save all petroleum for our cars. Stop all imports immediately... This will shrink stores to make shopping a breeze.

[Gibby]

We need more coal power... Damn every river... nuke power plants all over the place and save all petroleum for our cars. Stop all imports immediately... This will shrink stores to make shopping a breeze.

Coal, not neccessarily (unless you are doing everything you can to limit the emitting of dangerous pollutants, daming rivers, actually we have enough of these, and as for nuclear power absolutely. Yucca mountain is the perfect spot to dump nuclear material and is away from any water table, is solid, and in a dry and remote area, and according to Penn And Teller transporting the waste is very safe. As for the plants themselves well nuclear power is the cleanest, and most efficient source of energy we have and it would make a hell of a lot of sense that if you built them to high quality specifications they would provide electricity for decades to come. As for petrol, well lets develop more hybrids and since we have the technology to build hydrogen powered cars lets put more R&D into building a safe, mass producable type, that will be affordable to joe average consumer within say a decade (oddly I would agree with Bush's 2006 state of the union speech about this whole heartedly). As for stopping imports, absolutely not as that cripples trade and the economy (I am for a well regulated free market economy not the death of the economy) As for shrinking stores and making shopping a breeze, how about no but how about working on mass transit systems. I find it sad that outside of a a smattering of our largest cities there is not reliable rail transport.

[sukie]

I'm trying to rid the electrical crisis in California... Burn the coal baby!!!!!

[Gibby]

I'm trying to rid the electrical crisis in California... Burn the coal baby!!!!!

As long as you have good filters on them to keep CA from turning into Ceaseascu's Rumania fine by me. I still think Nuclear power would be the best long term solution.

[Gibby]

I'm trying to rid the electrical crisis in California... Burn the coal baby!!!!!

Or you could get Enron and their affiliates to be more honest in their business habits and not artificially creating a crisis to boost profits.

[sukie]

Filter my ass... We should beat China and India on coal burning... We're number one goddamnit. So what if CO2 is released... The rest of the world that we are isolated from will have to compensate

[Gibby]

Filter my ass... We should beat China and India on coal burning... We're number one goddamnit. So what if CO2 is released... The rest of the world that we are isolated from will have to compensate

just because we would not be involved in foreign wars does not mean we should not conserve. The greatest GOP president of the last century was TR and he knew that to conserve meant just that, to conserve.

[Meathead]

ok aaanyway

why is passing this by the same score buffalo beat the raiders in the first afc championship 97-0 relevant. why is it bad

[sukie]

Wars aside... We need TOTAL isolation... No Exports No Imports... Self sufficiency all the way. F the Tsunami and drought victims of the world... Let the rest of the planet delete the US from all maps of relevance. Aside from really pissing off Asia... who cares?

[Meathead]

if: because it shows the ba could be doing the same pattern

then: yeah we gotta watch the king closely but this might be legit so why muddle things with it if its not. make a case or its bigger fish time

[ckg68]

But the wave of newcomers... Demos... elected (cough) by massive uncontested margins in both the house and senate haven't changed a thing... not even close... talk about disenfranchisement

Know WHY?

The Republicans have become the very same things that they bitterly accused Democrats of being just a year or so ago: Obstructionists.

And,as we saw in the immigration debate,they even filibustered themselves.