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Soviet_Canuckastani
July 13th, 2007, 11:09:03 AM
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Christian_activists_disrupt_Hindu_prayer_in_US_Sen ate/articleshow/2199387.cms

WASHINGTON: Christian activists briefly disrupted a Hindu invocation in the US Senate on Thursday, marring a historic first for the chamber and showing that fundamentalism is present and shouting in the US too.
Invited by the Senate to offer Hindu prayers in place of the usual Christian invocation, Rajan Zed, a Hindu priest from Reno, Nevada, had just stepped up to the podium for the landmark occasion when three protesters, said to belong to the Christian Right anti-abortion group Operation Save America, interrupted by loudly asking for God's forgiveness for allowing the ''false prayer'' of a Hindu in the Senate chamber.

"Lord Jesus, forgive us father for allowing a prayer of the wicked, which is an abomination in your sight," the first protester shouted. "This is an abomination. We shall have no other gods before you."
Democratic Senator Bob Casey, who was serving as the presiding officer for the morning, immediately asked the sergeant-at-arms to restore order. But they continued to protest as they were headed out the door by the marshals, shouting, "No Lord but Jesus Christ!" and "There's only one true God!"

Zed, clad in saffron with a prominent tilak on his forehead, then nervously went through the invocation.


"Let us pray," he began, "We meditate on the transcendental glory of the deity supreme, who is inside the heart of the earth, inside the life of the sky and inside the soul of heaven. May he stimulate and illuminate our minds.

"Lead us from the unreal to real, from darkness to light, and from death to immortality. May we be protected together. May we be nourished together. May we work together with great vigour. May our study be enlightening."

The sentiments were evidently lost on the fundamentalists.

The organisation Operation Save America later issued a press release confirming that Ante Pavkovic, Kathy Pavkovic, and Kristen Sugar were all arrested in the chambers of the United States Senate "as that chamber was violated by a false Hindu god."
"The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the One True God, Jesus Christ," the statement said, adding, "This would never have been allowed by our Founding Fathers."
Typically, the Senate Chaplain delivers the opening invocation, but sometimes guest chaplains are invited from all over the country to read the prayer.

According to a Senate Chaplain Office communiqué, the purpose of the opening prayer is to seek God on behalf of, and for the Senators and the prayer should affirm our rich heritage as a Nation "under God."

According to US Senate website, "...Throughout the years, the United States Senate has honoured the historic separation of Church and State, but not the separation of God and State...During the past two hundred and seven years, all sessions of the Senate have been opened with prayer, strongly affirming the Senate's faith in God as Sovereign Lord of our Nation..."

nehemiah
July 13th, 2007, 11:22:07 AM
yep.

christians are NOT idiots.

:rolleyes:

mighty peace warrior
July 13th, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
yep.

christians are NOT idiots.

:rolleyes:

yep three people represent all christians

:rolleyes:

pigpen65
July 13th, 2007, 12:01:12 PM
yep three people represent all christians


"This is an abomination. We shall have no other gods before you."

Gibby
July 13th, 2007, 12:06:37 PM
This is shameful and was hardly done in a spirit of christ like love. Shame on these lunatics.

nehemiah
July 13th, 2007, 12:21:57 PM
yep three people represent all christians

:rolleyes:just like you represent all cops. now you know why we all hate cops.

zing!


i have yet to meet a christian who was not an *******.

Gibby
July 13th, 2007, 12:27:12 PM
I love this quote by the fundybunnies the best:

"The Senate was opened with a Hindu prayer placing the false god of Hinduism on a level playing field with the One True God, Jesus Christ," the statement said, adding, "This would never have been allowed by our Founding Fathers" (page 2 of the link).

Some will instantaneously call me a revisionist for saying that many of our founders would be ambiguous at best about this subject and I'll go a step further and say that some of our founding fathers would have openly spoken in favor of me. Because some of you like Uppy and Gilly will say I am making this up or I heard it from somewhere lets go straight to Benjamin Franklin. Franklin while constructing an auditorium "vested in trustees expressly for the use of any preacher of any religious persuasion who might desire to say something to the people of Philadelphia" had it designed so as not to offend any religious sect so that "even if the grand mufti of Constantinople were to send a missionary to preach Mahometanism [sic] to us, he would find the pulpit at his service" (Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin 116). I am pretty sure I could find other similar things written by the other founders. Sorry, but when people make a claim out of ignorance like this and try to misquote history and the bible to support their hateful actions it really pisses me off.

Gibby
July 13th, 2007, 12:27:49 PM
just like you represent all cops. now you know why we all hate cops.

zing!


i have yet to meet a christian who was not an *******.

Thats too bad, and I apologize for the majority of us.

nehemiah
July 13th, 2007, 12:33:05 PM
no apologies necessary.

just keep your religion to yourself.

:D

Meathead
July 13th, 2007, 3:11:26 PM
you are so full of crap

you cant tell me you havent known at least some of cool christians. id even let you say they were the minority, although they arent, but its impossible youve known none

mighty peace warrior
July 13th, 2007, 3:13:03 PM
just like you represent all cops. now you know why we all hate cops.

zing!


i have yet to meet a christian who was not an *******.

maybe if most people you meet are *******s, they aren't the problem

nehemiah
July 13th, 2007, 3:32:46 PM
i know loads of classy folks. i'm a classy guy.

but i know NO christian who isn't an *******. o wait...... let be me more clear - i may know a christian who isn't an *******, but he/she doesn't feel the need to blather on about their christianity and be a loudmouth jerk anytime someone other than a christian tries to speak (so i have no idea if he/she is a christian).

Lucidvizion
July 13th, 2007, 3:39:19 PM
I feel sorry for those types of people more than I scorn them.

uppy
July 13th, 2007, 4:02:46 PM
Don't they have first Amendment rights the same as gay activists do ?

nehemiah
July 13th, 2007, 4:17:04 PM
Don't they have first Amendment rights the same as gay activists do ?i guess the hindus don't, right?

[:::]

Lucidvizion
July 13th, 2007, 4:18:20 PM
Don't they have first Amendment rights the same as gay activists do ?

They were arrested for disorderly conduct... this isn't a free speech matter.

Gibby
July 13th, 2007, 4:28:39 PM
Don't they have first Amendment rights the same as gay activists do ?

This is a hate crime that has no constitutional standing.

uppy
July 13th, 2007, 4:56:52 PM
:rofl:

So when the two lesbians where kissing in the restarant and where kicked
out it was all right then ?

The hypocricy shown by some people is unreal

nehemiah
July 13th, 2007, 4:57:46 PM
who is disrupting what-now by smooching?

were they screaming at the top of their lungs while doing so?

is lesbianism a religion?

[:::]

gilchristfan
July 13th, 2007, 4:58:42 PM
They arrested them?

Constitutional issues aside, why arrest them when you can just escort them out the door? No sense in giving someone an unearned martyr badge of honor.

uppy
July 13th, 2007, 4:59:56 PM
who is disrupting what-now by smooching?

were they screaming at the top of their lungs while doing so?

is lesbianism a religion?

[:::]

strawman argument

Gibby
July 13th, 2007, 5:04:31 PM
:rofl:

So when the two lesbians where kissing in the restarant and where kicked
out it was all right then ?

The hypocricy shown by some people is unreal

yes it was right as it was distracting and distressing to other patrons.

Gibby
July 13th, 2007, 5:05:16 PM
Lets help uppy out here by completing this word

restarant

uppy
July 13th, 2007, 5:17:20 PM
yes it was right as it was distracting and distressing to other patrons.

That comment was not aimed at you Gibby you where consistent then

and now on this kind of issue,It was aimed at the others.

lol

TigerJ
July 13th, 2007, 6:17:12 PM
It's unfortunate that radical groups like this manage to attract attention and tarnish the image of all Christians. To pretend to pray while shouting disruptions of someone else is disingenuous and hypocritical at best.

nehemiah
July 13th, 2007, 11:06:41 PM
strawman argumentummmmmmmmm.... okey dokey...........

you do realize that it was your argument that was the "strawman", right?

it's kinda fun to watch you try to understand logic, though.

nehemiah is digging it.

:rockon:

ckg68
July 13th, 2007, 11:50:47 PM
yes it was right as it was distracting and distressing to other patrons.

How about,back in the day,when two lesbians did the same thing at a Dodgers game and were asked to leave? In a restaurant,I can see them asking them to vamoose...but at a baseball game? When there are tens of thousands of people there?

ckg68
July 13th, 2007, 11:55:38 PM
It's unfortunate that radical groups like this manage to attract attention and tarnish the image of all Christians. To pretend to pray while shouting disruptions of someone else is disingenuous and hypocritical at best.

The problem is,you can't reason with a radical-regardless of which side of the aisle they reside.