Joe Lieberman is The Man !

[uppy]

I love Joe Lieberman he is the only sane person on the left in DC.

Lieberman: U.S. Should Weigh Iran Attack


WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Sunday the United States should consider a military strike against Iran because of Tehran's involvement in Iraq.

"I think we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians to stop them from killing Americans in Iraq," Lieberman said. "And to me, that would include a strike over the border into Iran, where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people coming back into Iraq to kill our soldiers."

The U.S. accuses Iran of fostering terrorism and Tehran's nuclear ambitions have brought about international reproach.

Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000 who now represents Connecticut as an independent, spoke of Iranians' role in the continued violence in Iraq.

"We've said so publicly that the Iranians have a base in Iran at which they are training Iraqis who are coming in and killing Americans. By some estimates, they have killed as many as 200 American soldiers," Lieberman said. "Well, we can tell them we want them to stop that. But if there's any hope of the Iranians living according to the international rule of law and stopping, for instance, their nuclear weapons development, we can't just talk to them."

He added, "If they don't play by the rules, we've got to use our force, and to me, that would include taking military action to stop them from doing what they're doing


more......


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070610/D8PM5HEO0.html

[Gibby]

If Joe Lieberman is the voice of reason then I want to be insane.

[uppy]

If Joe Lieberman is the voice of reason then I want to be insane.

What Iran is doing is an act of war.

[Papaduke]

We are having troubles quelling the Iraqis... why does adding Iran to the mix sound like a good idea? Sure the Iranians have something to do with it, but imagine adding the full Iranian military to the mix. Besides the Iranians can attack Iraq, Afghanistan and the 5th fleet in Qatar. I believe we should start arming overtly or covertly Iranian resistance groups.

[JLB]

Joe may be the only Dem with a set.
If I was in charge of the Republican Party this week.
I would offer Joe the Majority Leader spot to switch parties.

[Green Lantern]

I love Joe Lieberman he is the only sane person on the left in DC.

Lieberman: U.S. Should Weigh Iran Attack


WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Sunday the United States should consider a military strike against Iran because of Tehran's involvement in Iraq.

"I think we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians to stop them from killing Americans in Iraq," Lieberman said. "And to me, that would include a strike over the border into Iran, where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people coming back into Iraq to kill our soldiers."

The U.S. accuses Iran of fostering terrorism and Tehran's nuclear ambitions have brought about international reproach.

Lieberman, the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2000 who now represents Connecticut as an independent, spoke of Iranians' role in the continued violence in Iraq.

"We've said so publicly that the Iranians have a base in Iran at which they are training Iraqis who are coming in and killing Americans. By some estimates, they have killed as many as 200 American soldiers," Lieberman said. "Well, we can tell them we want them to stop that. But if there's any hope of the Iranians living according to the international rule of law and stopping, for instance, their nuclear weapons development, we can't just talk to them."

He added, "If they don't play by the rules, we've got to use our force, and to me, that would include taking military action to stop them from doing what they're doing


more......


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070610/D8PM5HEO0.html


Finally, a voice of sanity.

I hope he runs on the Republican ticket.

[Gibby]

What Iran is doing is an act of war.

I missed the memo, what are they doing? The only news on TV is Paris Hilton and her vagina going to jail. So tell me what are they doing?

[uppy]

We are having troubles quelling the Iraqis... why does adding Iran to the mix sound like a good idea? Sure the Iranians have something to do with it, but imagine adding the full Iranian military to the mix. Besides the Iranians can attack Iraq, Afghanistan and the 5th fleet in Qatar. I believe we should start arming overtly or covertly Iranian resistance groups.


How are the Iranians going to attack the 5th fleet...lol

[uppy]

I missed the memo, what are they doing? The only news on TV is Paris Hilton and her vagina going to jail. So tell me what are they doing?

read the link I posted

[Gibby]

Oh wait, I've seen this script before.

Lets see, ah yes here it is

Hollywood, CA

In a film by Bush Regime Studios that Ebert and Roeper give two thumbs down to, Saddam Hussein is the Big bad guy who helped kill Americans on 9/11, who sought WMDs including nukes, who was a threat to stability and violated American and world security, and was against UN resolutions.

George Bush stars as the Commander guy who fights for troof, justice, and De Mercoon Way.

Sorry Uppy, but the truth is once again being bum foched by the BA

[Gibby]

How are the Iranians going to attack the 5th fleet...lol

I think the Russkies and Chinamen (your lingo perhaps) have given them silkworm anti ship cruise missiles. Those can take out a ship or two.

[Green Lantern]

I think the Russkies and Chinamen (your lingo perhaps) have given them silkworm anti ship cruise missiles. Those can take out a ship or two.

Chinese silk is the best.

[Gibby]

Chinese silk is the best.

Uppy and Bushie know that, Uppy-however- still prefers the edible panties when he tries to gobble the prez.

[Gibby]

Sorry uppy, but Lieberman is not going to dare attempt a presidential run. Nobody would vote for him

[uppy]

Oh wait, I've seen this script before.

Lets see, ah yes here it is

Hollywood, CA

In a film by Bush Regime Studios that Ebert and Roeper give two thumbs down to, Saddam Hussein is the Big bad guy who helped kill Americans on 9/11, who sought WMDs including nukes, who was a threat to stability and violated American and world security, and was against UN resolutions.

George Bush stars as the Commander guy who fights for troof, justice, and De Mercoon Way.

Sorry Uppy, but the truth is once again being bum foched by the BA

I hope you enjoyed the film so far the best is yet to come

[Gibby]

I hope you enjoyed the film so far the best is yet to come

Nah, I got tired of it after the forty eight hour HUAH!!!! bit.

[uppy]

I think the Russkies and Chinamen (your lingo perhaps) have given them silkworm anti ship cruise missiles. Those can take out a ship or two.

Those missiles don't work well with out radar and you can bet your ass that

will be the first target hit

[Green Lantern]

Those missiles don't work well with out radar and you can bet your ass that

will be the first target hit

There is still no better decider than air supremacy in a war.

[Gibby]

Those missiles don't work well with out radar and you can bet your ass that

will be the first target hit

why do you want war with Iran? Don't you think the imperial forces are overstretched as it is or do you want a conscript army that will perform miserably because nobody really believes in the fifth crusade anymore and nobody wants to be connected with a sixth?

Where would the men come from to fight Iran? Iraq? If so wouldn't we have to worry about battle trained Iraqis wreaking havoc in our rear? The US? Wouldn't that completely deplete reserves?

What of the political ramifications or do you seriously want to have 10 years of DNC rule? Sorry my friend but the only possible way to deal with Iran is to lash sanctions on them and let Israel take out their missile and nuclear assets

[Gibby]

There is still no better decider than air supremacy in a war.

but air supremacy does not equal victory. It is important but not nearly as important as you think. The only reason the Serbs backed out of Kosovo was not our air supremacy but because we were surrounding them with troops and we leaked a taste of our invasion plans to them and they may have won the day but at so terrible a price that they decided it was not worth it.

[uppy]

why do you want war with Iran? Don't you think the imperial forces are overstretched as it is or do you want a conscript army that will perform miserably because nobody really believes in the fifth crusade anymore and nobody wants to be connected with a sixth?

Where would the men come from to fight Iran? Iraq? If so wouldn't we have to worry about battle trained Iraqis wreaking havoc in our rear? The US? Wouldn't that completely deplete reserves?

What of the political ramifications or do you seriously want to have 10 years of DNC rule? Sorry my friend but the only possible way to deal with Iran is to lash sanctions on them and let Israel take out their missile and nuclear assets

Iran is a state sponser of terror and we have the forces needed in the ME.

The thing you don't undrestand Gibby is we are not fighting a war in Iraq we

are policing it.The Big Red One is in Badgdad now and if they wanted to they

could reduce the city to rubble in a day and they could take out what ever

troops Iran sent in with no prolbem.

[Papaduke]

How are the Iranians going to attack the 5th fleet...lol

Observe....
http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/lgcolor/ircolor.gif

The US 5th Fleet is based in Doha, Qatar which is a scant 200 miles from Iranian territory, in fact Kuwait City, Manama, Abu Dhabi and Muscat... all regional capitals of allies in the region are well within the range of Iranian weaponry.

I am not saying they will destroy the 5th fleet but they could inflict some damage on them.

[shiva2999]

I don't know why you guys even bother to argue with them.

The fact that Uppy and Jlb love Joe Lieberman says it all.

Joe Liebermen is, and always has been a Republican mole and an Israeli agent.

He thinks he is using guys like Uppy and Jlb to ensure Israel's survival and Uppy and Jlb think they are using guys like Lieberman to bring on the second coming.

They all hold positions that will not allow ANY argument to the contrary.

You're just beating your head against the wall.

When Saddam took power, it was guys just like Joe Lieberman, Uppy and Jlb that he took outside and had shot.

Some people you just can NOT reason with.

[Gibby]

Iran is a state sponser of terror and we have the forces needed in the ME.

The thing you don't undrestand Gibby is we are not fighting a war in Iraq we

are policing it.The Big Red One is in Badgdad now and if they wanted to they

could reduce the city to rubble in a day and they could take out what ever

troops Iran sent in with no prolbem.

They also did a bang up job policing Nam didn't they? HOOOOORAAAAAAA.

[Green Lantern]

I don't know why you guys even bother to argue with them.

The fact that Uppy and Jlb love Joe Lieberman says it all.

Joe Liebermen is, and always has been a Republican mole and an Israeli agent.

He thinks he is using guys like Uppy and Jlb to ensure Israel's survival and Uppy and Jlb think they are using guys like Lieberman to bring on the second coming.

They all hold positions that will not allow ANY argument to the contrary.

You're just beating your head against the wall.

When Saddam took power, it was guys just like Joe Lieberman, Uppy and Jlb that he took outside and had shot.

Some people you just can NOT reason with.


I saw the video of that when Saddam came to power and stood up at the front of the room with a list of names of people who were escorted out of the room and never seen again. That was Machiavellian to a "T".

[Gibby]

Iran is a state sponser of terror and we have the forces needed in the ME.

The thing you don't undrestand Gibby is we are not fighting a war in Iraq we

are policing it.The Big Red One is in Badgdad now and if they wanted to they

could reduce the city to rubble in a day and they could take out what ever

troops Iran sent in with no prolbem.

Policing really, you mean kinda like how the police in Kansas City police 39th and Troost to 39th and Prospect and west to east and 12th street on the north to 75th on the south. Where a woman I knew was walking out of church and waiting on a bus and where she was robbed in view of witnesses who did nothing. Only to have the cops show up and say well ma'am you should catch the bus somewhere else.

Yeah that's about what the policing in Baghdad looks like.

[uppy]

Observe....
http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/lgcolor/ircolor.gif

The US 5th Fleet is based in Doha, Qatar which is a scant 200 miles from Iranian territory, in fact Kuwait City, Manama, Abu Dhabi and Muscat... all regional capitals of allies in the region are well within the range of Iranian weaponry.

I am not saying they will destroy the 5th fleet but they could inflict some damage on them.

They could infict some damage on the regional capitals but I don't think Iran

could sink any of our ships unless they attacked us first.

[uppy]

I don't know why you guys even bother to argue with them.

The fact that Uppy and Jlb love Joe Lieberman says it all.

Joe Liebermen is, and always has been a Republican mole and an Israeli agent.

He thinks he is using guys like Uppy and Jlb to ensure Israel's survival and Uppy and Jlb think they are using guys like Lieberman to bring on the second coming.

They all hold positions that will not allow ANY argument to the contrary.

You're just beating your head against the wall.

When Saddam took power, it was guys just like Joe Lieberman, Uppy and Jlb that he took outside and had shot.

Some people you just can NOT reason with.

Its easy to reason with you....lol

[Gibby]

They could infict some damage on the regional capitals but I don't think Iran

could sink any of our ships unless they attacked us first.

Why would this be wrong? You realize that under international law, which runs on legal precedent, when Bush decides to attack pre-emptively it gives all other nations the same right when they feel threatened. Don't come bitching to me when the Iranians sink our ships or shoot down our recon planes because they view it as an aggressive act.

[uppy]

They also did a bang up job policing Nam didn't they? HOOOOORAAAAAAA.

The military was not allowed to bring the war to the north and we never lost

a battle in Nam

[shiva2999]

I saw the video of that when Saddam came to power and stood up at the front of the room with a list of names of people who were escorted out of the room and never seen again. That was Machiavellian to a "T".

Oh, I think even Machiavelli would say this technique is as old as time.

If you want to be the leader, what do you do with the guys who would eagerly cut your heart out the first opportunity they got and wouldn't spend a moment on regret or contemplation of the morals of their actions?

[uppy]

Why would this be wrong? You realize that under international law, which runs on legal precedent, when Bush decides to attack pre-emptively it gives all other nations the same right when they feel threatened. Don't come bitching to me when the Iranians sink our ships or shoot down our recon planes because they view it as an aggressive act.

:rofl:

[Green Lantern]

Why would this be wrong? You realize that under international law, which runs on legal precedent, when Bush decides to attack pre-emptively it gives all other nations the same right when they feel threatened. Don't come bitching to me when the Iranians sink our ships or shoot down our recon planes because they view it as an aggressive act.

The only problems I have with Uppy's arguments are that he jumps from one type of logic to another depending on his mood. The above is how you would argue with him if he did not switch logic sets so often.

[Papaduke]

They could infict some damage on the regional capitals but I don't think Iran

could sink any of our ships unless they attacked us first.

Stranger things have been known to happen...

[Green Lantern]

:rofl:

See what I mean?

[Gibby]

Oh and Uppy, one last question, you mention police actions so answer me this -I also want MPW to answer this (not attacking him, just that he is in law enforcement and he would be in a unique position to authoritatively answer this question) - if we can't police the inner cities of our major urban areas where at most the criminals have assault rifles and the occassional molotov how the **** are we going to "police" a nation where the enemy has RPGs, mortars, and IEDs?

[Gibby]

The military was not allowed to bring the war to the north and we never lost

a battle in Nam

Napoleon never lost a battle in his Russian campaign either. However he did lose the war.

[uppy]

Oh and Uppy, one last question, you mention police actions so answer me this -I also want MPW to answer this (not attacking him, just that he is in law enforcement and he would be in a unique position to authoritatively answer this question) - if we can't police the inner cities of our major urban areas where at most the criminals have assault rifles and the occassional molotov how the **** are we going to "police" a nation where the enemy has RPGs, mortars, and IEDs?

If it was up to me we would not be policing Iraq ;)

[Gibby]

If it was up to me we would not be policing Iraq ;)

then who the Iraqis? I believe Al Sadr was popular with his people because Sadr city was never ****ed with. He was the law and if you ****ed with the law you got killed.

[uppy]

Napoleon never lost a battle in his Russian campaign either. However he did lose the war.

Yup and Napoleon was from france....nuff said :guy:

[Gibby]

Yup and Napoleon was from france....nuff said :guy:

Never been to Corsica have you? They are a solid mix of Italian and Greek and there was not a drop of French blood in him. For God sakes man, why do you think he was so damn successful. Had he been French the Russians could have shot a fire cracker and the Grand Army would see troops surrendering in the tens of thousands.

[uppy]

then who the Iraqis? I believe Al Sadr was popular with his people because Sadr city was never ****ed with. He was the law and if you ****ed with the law you got killed.


Good, if fact I don't care if they kill each other,pull the troops out of the city

and let them go at it.

[Green Lantern]

then who the Iraqis? I believe Al Sadr was popular with his people because Sadr city was never ****ed with. He was the law and if you ****ed with the law you got killed.

Saddam never took out Sadr because Sadr never showed an interest in politics, even after Saddam killed his father. Tells you what he thinks of foreigners invading his country if we could motivate him to action when Hussein couldn't.

[uppy]

Never been to Corsica have you? They are a solid mix of Italian and Greek and there was not a drop of French blood in him. For God sakes man, why do you think he was so damn successful. Had he been French the Russians could have shot a fire cracker and the Grand Army would see troops surrendering in the tens of thousands.

I know he was born in corsica but that was part of france

[ckg68]

Joe Lieberman is a :censor:ing LIAR.

Remember David Petraeus? You know,the guy now in charge of the Iraq war effort? Here's what he had to say about this last April:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/iraqi_official_.html

Not once does Petraeus mention the magic word of Iran.

So,who do you trust: Petraeus or someone who blinked his eyes so much you'd think he was going into an epileptic fit?

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/10/lieberman-bomb-iran to see it for yourself.

And you have to ask this question...Who is Lieberman looking out for more: America's interests...or Israel's?

[uppy]

Who is Lieberman looking out for more: America's interests...or Israel's

America first but also our allies

[Gibby]

Good, if fact I don't care if they kill each other,pull the troops out of the city

and let them go at it.

Damn it you make so much sense Uppy. Damn it, I mean **** why didn't I think of it before. You have just made the best suggestion for ending this violence there. Seal the borders completely, build up a series of detention camps and use their men to build special showers with drop baskets for zyklon B and huge brick ovens for sanitation purposes. Then go city by city and arrest all women of child bearing age and their children and ship them to the sanitation camps. Tell those sand ******s that they will be taking a nice cool shower to sanitize them.

Consript their combat aged males into a labor force to repair their oil production facilities and feed them 100 to 500 calories a day and work them 24/7/365. Then herd all their old women and men into their biggest mosques and burn those mother ****ers.

Oh yeah and Sieg Heil.

[Gibby]

I know he was born in corsica but that was part of france

No they were Italian, don't even think about starting a history debate I have nothing better to do on a sunday evening and I will pwn you. You will learn, but you will be schooled.

[ckg68]

America first but also our allies

Bull:censor:! Israel has the bomb and they acted so paranoid back in the day,gripped by a fear that any Middle Eastern country would acquire a nuclear weapon. Hasn't happened yet,and probably won't for some time(fear mongering by those in power not withstanding).(I guess this is what I get for reading Gwynne Dyer: a new take on matters...:) )

Iran,if you haven't guessed,is majority Shiite. And there now is a Shiite government in place in Iraq.

And bonus: even IF Iran had the capability to make nuclear weapons,they'd get wiped right off the map by at least Israel(who,despite being coy as to whether they have nukes,most definitely DO have them)and the U.S.(who has way more than Israel does).

[Gibby]

Or Uppy, why not just turn Baghdad into a huge lake? Then sterilize the Iraqi women and ban them from being educated and demolish all statues and records of Iraqi heroes as well as all other Iraqi cultural sites. Then shut down all Iraqi hospitals and ban the Iraqis from having access to sanitation facilities and commodities such as soap. Encourage them to smoke and drink. Arrest all combat age men and force them to work on the oil pipelines. Execute all political leaders. Then over a short period of time the untermensch sand ******s will be exterminated.

[JLB]

And bonus: even IF Iran had the capability to make nuclear weapons,they'd get wiped right off the map by at least Israel(who,despite being coy as to whether they have nukes,most definitely DO have them)and the U.S.(who has way more than Israel does).

Right on the money it would happen with great speed.

[ckg68]

That is enough of a reason to hope for sanity to prevail.

But with this government,you never know.

[uppy]

Or Uppy, why not just turn Baghdad into a huge lake? Then sterilize the Iraqi women and ban them from being educated and demolish all statues and records of Iraqi heroes as well as all other Iraqi cultural sites. Then shut down all Iraqi hospitals and ban the Iraqis from having access to sanitation facilities and commodities such as soap. Encourage them to smoke and drink. Arrest all combat age men and force them to work on the oil pipelines. Execute all political leaders. Then over a short period of time the untermensch sand ******s will be exterminated.

Have you been drinking today

[Gibby]

Have you been drinking today

No, my posts about exterminating the Iraqi people are just the natural conclusion to your posts about turning Baghdad and Iraq into a pile of rubble as seen in the following post.

Iran is a state sponser of terror and we have the forces needed in the ME.

The thing you don't undrestand Gibby is we are not fighting a war in Iraq we

are policing it.The Big Red One is in Badgdad now and if they wanted to they

could reduce the city to rubble in a day and they could take out what ever

troops Iran sent in with no prolbem.

[Gibby]

not to mention this gem.

Good, if fact I don't care if they kill each other,pull the troops out of the city

and let them go at it.

[Shama-Lama Ding Dong]

What Iran is doing is an act of war.

And Lieberman is suggesting what?

[Meathead]

joe is saying consider and if he means consider then i would agree with him

weighed against the dangers of such an attack the bar would be prohibitively high though. iran isnt even the only factor any longer. pakistan is looking a bit shaky right now. if something touches off there syria and lebanon and even the radical saudis could be willing participants

but hes right in that a proxy attack is still an attack. debate all you like everything before and after that but at some point it paints itself as a potential military target

considering and doing are two different things so id listen to arguments

[JLB]

That is enough of a reason to hope for sanity to prevail.

But with this government,you never know.

I know what you mean ever since we've had the change in Congress it's been nothing but bullshit.

[Meathead]

think of it this way

if the meathead administration was sworn in the first thing id say is bush blew yada yada deeply embarrassed yada yada arab summits, nicey nicey

then id say but wtf is up with the proxy crap and if i had evidence id tell them to knock it off or else

simplification but the point is you can make that argument then it comes down to credibility. since bush has zero absent of hard evidence wed probably have to wait until some other face is in there to even consider it

[shiva2999]

think of it this way

if the meathead administration was sworn in the first thing id say is bush blew yada yada deeply embarrassed yada yada arab summits, nicey nicey

then id say but wtf is up with the proxy crap and if i had evidence id tell them to knock it off or else


:rofl:

As if the US, the world's largest arms dealer, can lecture anyone else about proxy crap.

[Shama-Lama Ding Dong]

think of it this way

if the meathead administration was sworn in the first thing id say is bush blew yada yada deeply embarrassed yada yada arab summits, nicey nicey

then id say but wtf is up with the proxy crap and if i had evidence id tell them to knock it off or else

simplification but the point is you can make that argument then it comes down to credibility. since bush has zero absent of hard evidence wed probably have to wait until some other face is in there to even consider it

That is some hilarious shit there carne-cranium.