Gitmo And Soviet Style Show Trials

[35Pete]

Watch this video of a Marine Corp Attorney (officer) criticizing the Military Commissions Act as "dog and pony" show trials ala the Soviet Union.

http://stream.luxmedia501.com/?file=realimpact/aclu/MOL_Mori.wmv&type=wmv

[uppy]

Terrorists have no rights,this is a non-issue.

[35Pete]

Terrorists have no rights,this is a non-issue.

The problem here is that the gov't is summarily labeling people as "terrorists" and then they have no rights whatsoever. Complete violation of US constitutional law and The Geneva Convention.

You do respect the law, don't you Uppy? And the law doesn't come from the imperial president. It comes from congress. You do know that, don't you? And it's only a legal law if it is constitutionally defensible. You know that too, right?

[uppy]

The problem here is that the gov't is summarily labeling people as "terrorists" and then they have no rights whatsoever. Complete violation of US constitutional law and The Geneva Convention.

You do respect the law, don't you Uppy? And the law doesn't come from the imperial president. It comes from congress. You do know that, don't you? And it's only a legal law if it is constitutionally defensible. You know that too, right?

Terrorists engaged in war vs the USA have no rights to constitutional law and The Geneva Convention.



Article 5 states:

Art. 5 Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual
protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the
State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the
present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to
the security of such State.

Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a
person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such
person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having
forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention

[Gibby]

Watch this video of a Marine Corp Attorney (officer) criticizing the Military Commissions Act as "dog and pony" show trials ala the Soviet Union.

http://stream.luxmedia501.com/?file=realimpact/aclu/MOL_Mori.wmv&type=wmv

Stalin's show trials were cool, hell Stalin even wrote scripts. They were so tragic and so hilarious.

[Green Lantern]

Rule #1: Terrorists have no rights

Rule #2: Anyone charged with terrorism, see Rule #1.



I like it; faith-based justice.

[35Pete]

Rule #1: Terrorists have no rights

Rule #2: Anyone charged with terrorism, see Rule #1.



I like it; faith-based justice.

Better yet Aqua.

If you even suspect someone, you just label them a "terrorist" or "enemy combatant".

Constitution and Geneva Convention bypassed!

Ohh, you're not a terrorist? We made a mistake? Sorry about your luck. War is hell. :barf:

[Gibby]

Rule #1: Terrorists have no rights

Rule #2: Anyone charged with terrorism, see Rule #1.



I like it; faith-based justice.

I prefer my justice to be blind, you know not blind faith just blind on the issue of guilt or innocence. Take my adopt a terrorist Jose Padilla. We don't hold him in a navy brig without legal counsel and without an impartial trial by a jury of his peers, because he's a suspected terrorist and might have been in a plot to kill Americans with a dirty bomb and happened to have converted to Islam after prison (hmmm lets arrest Chuck Colson and all those jailhouse converts to Jebus too, or would that be a problem as they are now 1. GOP voters 2. BA officials). I remember a time in this country where justice was blind. Where a prosecutor had to indict a suspect. Where that suspect had a right to legal counsel, where that suspect was protected from search without warrant, where he could protect himself from self incrimination, where torture would be unfathomable. Damn it I want my constitutional rights back.

Now uppy and sukie, while I have not lost rights directly in Padilla. I guess in that logic we should also strip Coulter and Malkin of their suffrage because after all you and I would not lose rights. Lets also denude my wife and her family of their 13th to 15th amendment rights because hell I'm white and it wouldn't bother me and I'd treat her family humanely (they'd get weekends off, I'd give them the right to limited travel, and they'd even get paid from time to time well unless they pissed me off then I'd sell them to someone else) and why should I care about them losing their rights? Hell it doesn't really affect my rights and I personally haven't lost any freedoms, just them.

Praise Jeebus, we really shouldn't mind other people losing their rights if we personally haven't been affected. I mean lets say Florida doesn't allow gun ownership, well **** as long as Missouri does I couldn't give a shit that Pete had to surrender his arsenal. Lets say that Moonie's state said he had to quarter troops in his property. Hell it doesn't affect me.

In case some of you numbskulls can't figure it out, I'll make it plain and simple. When one person loses his constitutional rights it weakens the constitution's protections for all of us. Long live blind justice, lets keep show trials in Stalin's Russia because as cynical historians we need some dark humor to provide a chuckle from time to time.

[Gibby]

In other words things like Shakhty Show Trial:

Police arrested a group of engineers in the North Caucasus town of Shakhty and accused them of conspiring with former owners of coal mines (now living abroad) to sabotage the Soviet economy. This marked the beginning of the use of accusations of sabotage against class enemies within the Soviet Union, which was to become a hallmark of the Great Purge of the 1930s. On March 10, 1928, in response to the arrests, Pravda announced that the bourgeoisie were using sabotage as a method of class struggle. Joseph Stalin mentioned a month later that the Shakhty arrests proved that class struggle was intensifying as the Soviet Union moved closer to socialism.

Nikolai Bukharin, Alexei Rykov, and Mikhail Tomsky all opposed Stalin from within the Politburo, but Stalin insisted that international capital was trying to "weaken our economic power by means of invisible economic intervention, not always obvious but fairly serious, organizing sabotage, planning all kinds of 'crises' in one branch of industry or another, and thus facilitating the possibility of future military intervention....We have internal enemies. We have external enemies. We cannot forget this for a moment."[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakhty_Trial

were okay in Stalin's USSR but have absolutely no place in our federal republic.

[35Pete]

Terrorists engaged in war vs the USA have no rights to constitutional law and The Geneva Convention.

Uppy you just have to get out of that "party line" mode. I was in that mode for most of my life and especially bad when I joined here. I used to be a calloused dick too about human rights and spouted off all sorts of shameful tough guy slogans but you know what? Imagine if that were a loved one treated that way. That's what it took for me to chisel some of the calcification off of my soul.

Keep reading here. If you have even an inkling of an open mind you will learn from people here. I know I have. Even moreso from people you disagree with. And if you demonstrate and open mind then people will be more inclined to listen to you.

Really. Think about it that way. Suppose a loved one was treated that way.

[Gibby]

Uppy you just have to get out of that "party line" mode. I was in that mode for most of my life and especially bad when I joined here. I used to be a calloused dick too about human rights and spouted off all sorts of shameful tough guy slogans but you know what? Imagine if that were a loved one treated that way. That's what it took for me to chisel some of the calcification off of my soul.

Keep reading here. If you have even an inkling of an open mind you will learn from people here. I know I have. Even moreso from people you disagree with. And if you demonstrate and open mind then people will be more inclined to listen to you.

Really. Think about it that way. Suppose a loved one was treated that way.

question the party line? Remember Pete WWSD