Film class 101

[shiva2999]

You can now view the terrific documentary "Control Room" at google video...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5468579280837866970&q=control+room

It centers around Al Jazeera TV at the start of the Iraq War.

If I was a high school teacher, I'd be happy to present this to a class.

Does it have a point of view? Of course it does.

Hope it doesn't warp your tender little minds.

[Green Lantern]

That was a good film.

[35Pete]

I'm 27 minutes into it now. Interesting perspective that we just aren't allowed to see here.

Geez. I hope I don't go on a "list" for watching it.

[Green Lantern]

The funniest part is when the Al Jazeera guys says he hopes to get a job in the US from his work there because the US is the best place to live and raise a family. He's got a chance, yeah.

[shiva2999]

Another doc that gets 5 stars from me.

"Why We Fight"

pt1

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pt2

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pt3

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pt4

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[shiva2999]

More 5 star work.

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

BTW, today's the day that RCTV loses it's broadcast license...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144&q=the+revolution+will+not+be+televised

[uppy]

I watched 20 minutes it was a well nuanced propaganda film produced by

the left and the hate America crowd.

The Sheep will love it !

[shiva2999]

The Fog of War, about Robert MacNamara and the Vietnam War.

Directed by documentary god, Errol Morris...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8653788864462752804&q=fog+of+war

[г]

The Sheep will love it !

See, I told you Uppy would love it...

[uppy]

The Fog of War, about Robert MacNamara and the Vietnam War.

Directed by documentary god, Errol Morris...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8653788864462752804&q=fog+of+war

More food for the sheep ?

[shiva2999]

More food for the sheep ?

http://yellowcakewalk.net/images/bush_sheep.jpg

[uppy]

You have done well Shiva in the last month....Gibby and Pete are fighting for

PT's old job.

LMAO

[shiva2999]

OUTFOXED - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=fox+propaganda

[shiva2999]

Just for you Uppy...

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[nehemiah]

fog of war and control room were both excellent.

:clapper:

[uppy]

For the last month you boys have put up propaganda films only..is this the

new moonbat tactic...with words you can't win the debate so its all videos


now.

Life is Good

the sheep are in a flock.

[35Pete]

For the last month you boys have put up propaganda films only..is this the

new moonbat tactic...with words you can't win the debate so its all videos


now.

Life is Good

the sheep are in a flock.

What's funny is nothing intellectual is coming from your pro-Bush "arguments" *cough*

Just that "War is Hell" "I support the War on Terror" and other one line crap.

You do know that I blame America for terrorism, don't you? Not the American people. But our longstanding policy of meddling in the internal affairs of others. It's called Blowback. We have to change our meddling interventionist policy. Start buy cutting that monsterous defense budget. We don't need a military that big. Pay off the damn national debt before we go broke.

[uppy]

Just for you Uppy...

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:rofl:


sweet, listen to that clip over and over agian it will make you feel good Sir !

[Gibby]

The Sheep will love it !

look ma, that ram just called the sheep woolly.

Seriously though, for those that don't have their heads buried deep up Bushy's arse that was a good film. From my recent activities I'm surprised the feds don't just bust down the door. Thanks for sharing the film with us Shiva. Do you have any others?

[Gibby]

What's funny is nothing intellectual is coming from your pro-Bush "arguments" *cough*

Just that "War is Hell" "I support the War on Terror" and other one line crap.

You do know that I blame America for terrorism, don't you? Not the American people. But our longstanding policy of meddling in the internal affairs of others. It's called Blowback. We have to change our meddling interventionist policy. Start buy cutting that monsterous defense budget. We don't need a military that big. Pay off the damn national debt before we go broke.

well said pete

[jimmifli]

We had an excellent thread about Control Room a few years ago.

I dug up some great CBC interviews with the Army PR guy. It was a fantastic interview.

[Gibby]

Speaking of sheep Uppy, I'll help you learn something important.

George Bush bad, Freedom Good
George Bush bad, Freedom Good
George Bush bad, Freedom Good

or

Bush Bad, Constitution Good
Bush Bad, Constitution Good
Bush Bad, Constitution Good

or

Reagan good, Bush Bad
Reagan good, Bush Bad
Reagan good, Bush Bad.

[Gibby]

OUTFOXED - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428&q=fox+propaganda

Shives, what do you think of Newscorp trying to buy out the WSJ?

[Gibby]

You have done well Shiva in the last month....Gibby and Pete are fighting for

PT's old job.

LMAO

Close Uppy, but here is something to consider old boy.

The Truth will set you free

-Jesus

aka the world's first socialist and pinkest of pinko commies (and I mean this in a good way)

[jimmifli]

Here's a good article:

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/06/04/control_room/index_np.html

The night they showed the POWs and dead soldiers ... it was powerful, because Americans won't show those kinds of images," Rushing says. "It made me sick to my stomach." The viewer then expects him to proceed in the same vein of patriotic rhetoric he's been using up to this point in the film -- he is, after all, a Marine -- but instead what follows is an unexpected, and profoundly moving, observation.

The previous night, Al Jazeera had shown similarly graphic images of Iraqis killed during a bombing in Basra, and Rushing calls them "equally if not more horrifying." At the time, though, he admits they hadn't bothered him as much. "I just saw people on the other side," Rushing says, "and those people in the Al Jazeera offices must have felt the way I was feeling that night, and it upset me on a profound level that I wasn't bothered as much the night before. It makes me hate war."

[Gibby]

http://yellowcakewalk.net/images/bush_sheep.jpg

good point Shiva, and Uppy really if anything I'm an ass, quite like my alma mater's mascot.

[Gibby]

Here's a good article:

http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2004/06/04/control_room/index_np.html

thanks Jimmi.

[uppy]

What's funny is nothing intellectual is coming from your pro-Bush "arguments" *cough*

Just that "War is Hell" "I support the War on Terror" and other one line crap.

You do know that I blame America for terrorism, don't you? Not the American people. But our longstanding policy of meddling in the internal affairs of others. It's called Blowback. We have to change our meddling interventionist policy. Start buy cutting that monsterous defense budget. We don't need a military that big. Pay off the damn national debt before we go broke.

Keep drinking the Kool-aid my man you may have a chance at some Rosie

O'donnell fat ass

[jimmifli]

Here is a movie direct by none other than Josh Rushing.

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it sucks and shouldn't be considered apart of shiva's film101, but for those who take the time to watch Control Room it's interesting to see Josh's 180.

[Gibby]

Keep drinking the Kool-aid my man you may have a chance at some Rosie

O'donnell fat ass

what's the matter? Pete use too many big words?

[Green Lantern]

What's funny is nothing intellectual is coming from your pro-Bush "arguments" *cough*

Just that "War is Hell" "I support the War on Terror" and other one line crap.

You do know that I blame America for terrorism, don't you? Not the American people. But our longstanding policy of meddling in the internal affairs of others. It's called Blowback. We have to change our meddling interventionist policy. Start buy cutting that monsterous defense budget. We don't need a military that big. Pay off the damn national debt before we go broke.

You're now officially a Ron Paul talking point.

[jimmifli]

You're now officially a Ron Paul talking point.
Some of us have been preaching that talking-point for a long time. Now we can finally attach a name to it!

It's nice to be represented.

[BillsFan0688]

You can now view the terrific documentary "Control Room" at google video...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5468579280837866970&q=control+room

It centers around Al Jazeera TV at the start of the Iraq War.

If I was a high school teacher, I'd be happy to present this to a class.

Does it have a point of view? Of course it does.

Hope it doesn't warp your tender little minds.

I had to watch this film for an American Studies class in college. Pretty interesting stuff to see.

[Green Lantern]

Some of us have been preaching that talking-point for a long time. Now we can finally attach a name to it!

It's nice to be represented.

"She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.... [America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty.”

J.Q. Adams

[jimmifli]

"She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force.... She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit.... [America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty.”

J.Q. Adams
I don't follow?

[Green Lantern]

Some have been preaching it for a long time.

[jimmifli]

Some have been preaching it for a long time.
Gotcha.

Past history has many examples that fit Paul's talking points, unfortunately recent history doesn't.

[Green Lantern]

Gotcha.

Past history has many examples that fit Paul's talking points, unfortunately recent history doesn't.

That's cuz it's a done deal. It's all over but the shouting.

[pabstman]

I started out to watch the first couple minutes but ended up watching the whole thing. It was an interesting perspective. A lot of people talk about the current administration's propaganda, but during the movie I was thinking every war uses propaganda to gain public and troop support. It just seems that with as much media as there is now, you get called out a lot sooner.

[35Pete]

I'm glad I watched the first (Al Jazeera) video. It gave me a different perspective. Made me realize that they hate us more than we think they do and also why. None of that dislike I would call irrational either. If it happened to us we'd react the same damn way.

Now "Why We Fight" was outstanding. Saw all parts from beginning to end. Based on historical evidence and interviews with people that should and do know. I'd give it a 10/10.

[jimmifli]

I'm glad I watched the first (Al Jazeera) video. It gave me a different perspective. Made me realize that they hate us more than we think they do and also why. None of that dislike I would call irrational either. If it happened to us we'd react the same damn way.

Now "Why We Fight" was outstanding. Saw all parts from beginning to end. Based on historical evidence and interviews with people that should and do know. I'd give it a 10/10.
What I found most interesting about control room was the access (or lack there of) that the military provides to journalists. Most of the reporting is generated from army press conferences held on base. The rest is through "embedded" journalists.

Journalists go where they're told, when they're told. They only report what they are allowed to see or what the army tells them.

During the early stages of the invasion, Al Jazeera was the only source of real journalism available. Western media spun the army's press releases into news and we accepted it as honest reporting.