If Mr. Bush doesn't veto the illegal alien Amnesty Bill

[uppy]

If Mr. Bush doesn't veto the illegal alien Amnesty Bill that has passed in

congress I will start to lose faith in the man.This Bill, if signed into law will

destroy the fabric of our country.It will show the law means nothing and

will brake the back of the GOP base .

I will weep for my lost Country if this becomes law.

[JLB]

Will the Bill ever see his desk?

[uppy]

I hope not...dear God I hope not.

[JLB]

It could work out different than you might guess.

[Green Lantern]

If Mr. Bush doesn't veto the illegal alien Amnesty Bill that has passed in

congress I will start to lose faith in the man.This Bill, if signed into law will

destroy the fabric of our country.It will show the law means nothing and

will brake the back of the GOP base .

I will weep for my lost Country if this becomes law.

How is it Amnesty?

[nehemiah]

no offense, pats fan, but who cares what you think?

[dilbert]

Tell me how (practically) to deport the illegals?

As for this making you lose faith in jackass, if phony wars, torture, illegal wire tapping, not caring about OBL, etc did not make you lose faith, I doubt this will.

[uppy]

no offense, pats fan, but who cares what you think?

Said the man who makes money off the illegal alien industry,these must be

great times to be a poverty pimp my king.:partysmilies:

Enjoy it while it lasts

[uppy]

Tell me how (practically) to deport the illegals?



Close the border that's a start,then deport them one at a time,hell give the

local police the power to hunt for them.It will could take years to rid the

country of illegals,but its something we need to do even if starts out slow.

[Green Lantern]

Close the border that's a start,then deport them one at a time,hell give the

local police the power to hunt for them.It will could take years to rid the

country of illegals,but its something we need to do even if starts out slow.

You're too funny.

[г]

http://www.theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/504capture_gangsofnewyork02.jpg


'Arrrrrrhhhhhhhh'

[micknaboz]

Bush has already said he will sign it. A few days ago I believe.
This is all about cheap fuuucken labor. Nothing more, nothing less.

[pmoon6]

Tell me how (practically) to deport the illegals?

As for this making you lose faith in jackass, if phony wars, torture, illegal wire tapping, not caring about OBL, etc did not make you lose faith, I doubt this will.I can think of a few ways.

If I told the board, I would be ostracized.

[Green Lantern]

I can think of a few ways.

If I told the board, I would be ostracized.

Add some native bacteria to the water so that all the visitors get the runs when they drink it and have to go back to their own country for colonic normalcy?

[г]

Disdained by many Yankee residents as Catholic lowlifes, the growing Irish population of the Lowell, Massachusetts, "paddy camps" in the nineteenth century proved a tempting source of cheap labor for local mill owners, who took advantage of the immigrants' proximity to exploit them to the fullest. Displaced by their cheaper labor, other workers blamed the Irish for job losses and added to their plight through repression and segregation.

The Paddy Camps
The Irish of Lowell, 1821-61
Brian C. Mitchell

[comericatigers]

Dogg the Bounty Hunter could do it!

[dilbert]

I can think of a few ways.

If I told the board, I would be ostracized.

I am sure you have said worse...........

[shiva2999]

LOL!

This immigrant bill is a joke.

Nobody that's here illegally is gonna go through that crap.

[Green Lantern]

LOL!

This immigrant bill is a joke.

Nobody that's here illegally is gonna go through that crap.

Hence my question about Amnesty.

[shiva2999]

Go ahead, deport me. it's a free plane ride home.

Then I'll sneak back in.

[JLB]

LOL!

This immigrant bill is a joke.

Nobody that's here illegally is gonna go through that crap.

Absolutely correct!!
:n4clapping:

[anEinherjer]

Hey Uppy, one thing I read online today that might give you pause (for like 2 seconds before you go back on ranting...)

Everyone hated the immigrants that flooded the country back at the turn of the 20th century.

Then they gave birth to our "greatest generation".

[Green Lantern]

If Mr. Bush doesn't veto the illegal alien Amnesty Bill that has passed in

congress I will start to lose faith in the man.This Bill, if signed into law will

destroy the fabric of our country.It will show the law means nothing and

will brake the back of the GOP base .

I will weep for my lost Country if this becomes law.

Didn't Reagan sign the last amnesty bill in 1986?

[Crinoline]

Tell me how (practically) to deport the illegals?

As for this making you lose faith in jackass, if phony wars, torture, illegal wire tapping, not caring about OBL, etc did not make you lose faith, I doubt this will.

Actually deporting them is not the answer. The real solution to this problem is to cut off all Government aid/handouts. If they come here and work without putting their hands in the cookie jar, I have no problem.

[uppy]

Hey Uppy, one thing I read online today that might give you pause (for like 2 seconds before you go back on ranting...)

Everyone hated the immigrants that flooded the country back at the turn of the 20th century.

Then they gave birth to our "greatest generation".

You forget one thing the immigrants that came to the country at the turm

of the century came legal .I Embrace legal immigrants I don't

Embrace Criminals.

[Green Lantern]

You forget one thing the immigrants that came to the country at the turm

of the century came legal .I Embrace legal immigrants I don't

Embrace Criminals.

None of the rich people want them turned away and it is very difficult to change the laws on a dime. It is much easier to look the other way until we don't need them. When we don't need them, then we stitch up the borders.

[ICRockets]

I don't

Embrace Criminals.

*snicker*

[pmoon6]

I am sure you have said worse...........:rofl: Maybe so.

[uppy]

None of the rich people want them turned away and it is very difficult to change the laws on a dime. It is much easier to look the other way until we don't need them. When we don't need them, then we stitch up the borders.

I want them to enter the country legal thats all I ask

[uppy]

I can think of a few ways.


I think we are on the same page :)

[uppy]

*snicker*

IC,Congrats on your graduation !

:partysmilies:

[ICRockets]

IC,Congrats on your graduation !

:partysmilies:

Thanks!

I've still technically got another semester left (stupid senior recital...) so it was kind of weird being a part of all the commencement stuff, but for the most part i'm finished with the important stuff. :)

[Green Lantern]

I want them to enter the country legal thats all I ask

I know what you want. This will not happen. They are needed. The people you vote for most likely agree with you only in public so you will continue to vote for them.

[Green Lantern]

You forget one thing the immigrants that came to the country at the turm

of the century came legal .I Embrace legal immigrants I don't

Embrace Criminals.

You mean you don't embrace criminal immigrants, right? Not, you don't embrace criminal behavior.

[uppy]

People that brake the law are Criminals is that hard to understand ?

[Green Lantern]

People that brake the law are Criminals is that hard to understand ?

I understand.

Did you understand my question? Who don't you like? Immigration-criminals or all criminals?

[ICRockets]

I understand.

Did you understand my question? Who don't you like? Immigration-criminals or all criminals?

I don't think you could be any more blatant with the leading questions, aqua. Just give us the punchline already. ;)

[uppy]

I understand.

Did you understand my question? Who don't you like? Immigration-criminals or all criminals?

Do you have a hard time reading Sir, I said criminals.

[Green Lantern]

I don't think you could be any more blatant with the leading questions, aqua. Just give us the punchline already. ;)

Do you have a hard time reading Sir, I said criminals.

When Target tossed those Marines out and PMoon posted that he ripped them off the next day, stole money from them, you applauded the theft and cheered him.

Remember?

[uppy]

When Target tossed those Marines out and PMoon posted that he ripped them off the next day, stole money from them, you applauded the theft and cheered him.

Remember?

:rofl:

You remember that but Mr.Masters in Goverment does not recal the US Prez

doesn't have a line-item veto.

BTW pmoon,I'm not going to "Embrace" any time soon. :)

[г]

Would E.T. be a legal or an illegal alien ?

[uppy]

Would E.T. be a legal or an illegal alien ?

He would be a Tourist

[Green Lantern]

:rofl:

You remember that but Mr.Masters in Goverment does not recal the US Prez

doesn't have a line-item veto.

BTW pmoon,I'm not going to "Embrace" any time soon. :)

Every line, every item, every bill, every president.

What are the odds you know what you are talking about?

[uppy]

Every line, every item, every bill, every president.

What are the odds you know what you are talking about?

ROTFLMAO


Show me some proof Mr. Masters of Goverment Boy that the US Prez has

an line-item veto on bills sent to Him from congress.

[Green Lantern]

ROTFLMAO


Show me some proof Mr. Masters of Goverment Boy that the US Prez has

an line-item vetos on bills sent to Him from congress.

We are off the Amnesty topic.

I've told you: if you could do the minimum research to know why I am right, I would be immensely impressed. You will not, I am sure, so you get to live in ignorance thinking you know what you don't.

Either way, I am happy and right.

[pmoon6]

:rofl:

You remember that but Mr.Masters in Goverment does not recal the US Prez

doesn't have a line-item veto.

BTW pmoon,I'm not going to "Embrace" any time soon. :)No?

I was so looking forward to those warm showers together 'till the wee hours of the morning.

I guess I'm outta luck.:D

[shiva2999]

America 2022

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[Green Lantern]

No?

I was so looking forward to those warm showers together 'till the wee hours of the morning.I guess I'm outta luck.:D

I told ya', you gotta type those quotes in Clint's font.

[35Pete]

Steve Buscemi rocked in Fargo. One of my favorite movies.

[uppy]

No?

I was so looking forward to those warm showers together 'till the wee hours of the morning.

I guess I'm outta luck.:D

The Altitude would take me out before we got going in the warm showers

[uppy]

Either way, I am happy and right.

No,you are wrong and making a ass out of your self daily.

You are the gift that keeps giving ;)

[Green Lantern]

The Altitude would take me out before we got going in the warm showers

That is gross.

[pmoon6]

I told ya', you gotta type those quotes in Clint's font.Is there a Clint font?

Oh wait, what is a font?

[uppy]

That is gross.

He could always line-item veto the shower

[Green Lantern]

He could always line-item veto the shower

I'll give you help, but it would involve reading a book:

Check "Lowi + Ginsberg"

[Green Lantern]

Is there a Clint font?

Oh wait, what is a font?

Anything "gravelly" looking will do when you start typing, "improvise, overcome, adapt" or "long showers into the wee hours of the morning"

Not Helvetica.

[EvilBigD]

We need to kick out all Illegals ALL, they protest in our streets for having their rights taken from them, "What freakin rights they are Illegals" !!!

[Green Lantern]

We need to kick out all Illegals ALL, they protest in our streets for having their rights taken from them, "What freakin rights they are Illegals" !!!

No one where I live would go for it. At least, no one with any power or influence. Illegals do all the grunt work, and people in power don't care that you don't like it.

[uppy]

I'll give you help, but it would involve reading a book:

Check "Lowi + Ginsberg"

You are a fool ,but you do entertain me keep up the good work Mr.line item

veto boy.

[35Pete]

Aqua. I have a real big issue with this bill.

1. I don't like amnesty. Federal immigration laws are by and large legitimate laws meant to protect us from an influx of immigrants. We are entitled to secure our borders. That's a basic tenet of nationalism.

2. When you allow amnesty you've just taken the enforcement out of future immigration control. Flood across the border and sooner or later we'll have another amnesty. Just wait it out.

3. I do not know if it is practical or even possible to deport 12 million people that entered the country in violation of federal law. However, granting them immigrant status is another matter. Do I have an answer on this? No. I don't. But the present solution is unacceptable to me. I'd like to hear other ideas on how to repatriot illegals without chaos and without a damn police state to accomplish it.

[Green Lantern]

You are a fool ,but you do entertain me keep up the good work Mr.line item

veto boy.

C'mon Uppy. It's a 100-level Intro to Politics book. If you made it through high school, you can swing this bat.

[uppy]

Aqua. I have a real big issue with this bill.

1. I don't like amnesty. Federal immigration laws are by and large legitimate laws meant to protect us from an influx of immigrants. We are entitled to secure our borders. That's a basic tenet of nationalism.

2. When you allow amnesty you've just taken the enforcement out of future immigration control. Flood across the border and sooner or later we'll have another amnesty. Just wait it out.

3. I do not know if it is practical or even possible to deport 12 million people that entered the country in violation of federal law. However, granting them immigrant status is another matter. Do I have an answer on this? No. I don't. But the present solution is unacceptable to me. I'd like to hear other ideas on how to repatriot illegals without chaos and without a damn police state to accomplish it.


Aqua. I have a real big issue with this bill

Pete,If the Prez just used his line-item veto he could get rid of those things.

[uppy]

C'mon Uppy. It's a 100-level Intro to Politics book. If you made it through high school, you can swing this bat.

I did make it through high school and you are a fool

[Green Lantern]

Aqua. I have a real big issue with this bill.

1. I don't like amnesty. Federal immigration laws are by and large legitimate laws meant to protect us from an influx of immigrants. We are entitled to secure our borders. That's a basic tenet of nationalism.

2. When you allow amnesty you've just taken the enforcement out of future immigration control. Flood across the border and sooner or later we'll have another amnesty. Just wait it out.

3. I do not know if it is practical or even possible to deport 12 million people that entered the country in violation of federal law. However, granting them immigrant status is another matter. Do I have an answer on this? No. I don't. But the present solution is unacceptable to me. I'd like to hear other ideas on how to repatriot illegals without chaos and without a damn police state to accomplish it.


If you need to register, pay a $5,000 fine, go to your home country to apply for a green card, and wait 8-13 years for a review of your case, how is that amnesty?

As for the rest, I don't have an answer other than what I posted: It is easier to look the other way when we need workers than it is to constantly change the laws to accomodate need.

You should watch the part about getting rid of family preference over educational qualifications in the bill though. That is probably the Trojan horse of this whole smoke and mirrors. As Shiva posted: the bill won't effect anyone already here illegally. If congress manages to change that part, that WILL have an effect in the future.

[Green Lantern]

I did make it through high school and you are a fool

So this should be a cake-walk. Small words for Freshmen.

[Green Lantern]

Pete,If the Prez just used his line-item veto he could get rid of those things.

Too true.

Just highlight what you don't like and send it back to Congress. Every president since Washington has done it.

[uppy]

Too true.

Just highlight what you don't like and send it back to Congress. Every president since Washington has done it.

The line-item veto is not a tool that a US prez has and that is what you

have been crying about for days.What goverment did you study in that "program" you got a masters of goverment of.


the gift

[35Pete]

The line-item veto is not a tool that a US prez has and that is what you

have been crying about for days.What goverment did you study in that "program" you got a masters of goverment of.


the gift

Little hint Uppy.

When someone starts talking about something in their field of expertise, you're best best is to tread lightly.

I would on this one. I think I know what he is talking about. Do you?

[uppy]

Little hint Uppy.

When someone starts talking about something in their field of expertise, you're best best is to tread lightly.

I would on this one. I think I know what he is talking about. Do you?

Ok Pete,Aqua told me that Mr. Bush had a line-item veto on the bills sent to

him from congres

I see you agree with Him.


life is good.

:)

[uppy]

Little hint Uppy.

BTW,shove that hint up your ass.

[35Pete]

BTW,shove that hint up your ass.

:rofl:

Uppy. Just be careful about thinking that's a burn on Aqua.

You know what a rope a dope is, don't you?

[mark3274]

If Mr. Bush doesn't veto the illegal alien Amnesty Bill that has passed in

congress I will start to lose faith in the man.This Bill, if signed into law will

destroy the fabric of our country.It will show the law means nothing and

will brake the back of the GOP base .

I will weep for my lost Country if this becomes law.

break the back of the gop? watching the gop self destruct over this will be awesome......... 1 major party dead 1 to go... that would be great.

[35Pete]

break the back of the gop? watching the gop self destruct over this will be awesome......... 1 major party dead 1 to go... that would be great.

Nice!!!

Kill both of them off and form 5 or 6 parties.

Choice is always a good thing.

Hey. Feel free to put my sig pic anywhere you choose. LOL.

[uppy]

:rofl:

Uppy. Just be careful about thinking that's a burn on Aqua.

You know what a rope a dope is, don't you?

Sure Pete, the prez has a line-item veto on bill sent to him from

congress. Thankyou too for the enterment, Auqu is a fool so are you

[uppy]

break the back of the gop? watching the gop self destruct over this will be awesome......... 1 major party dead 1 to go... that would be great.


Newt

[ICRockets]

Sure Pete, the prez has a line-item veto on bill sent to him from

congress. Thankyou too for the enterment, Auqu is a fool so are you

This is awful spelling even for Uppy.


Looks like somebody started celebrating the weekend...;)

[uppy]

Yup...

[uppy]

This is awful spelling even for Uppy.


Looks like somebody started celebrating the weekend...;)

IC, does the Prez have the line-item veto on bills from congress ?

[ICRockets]

IC, does the Prez have the line-item veto on bills from congress ?

Of course he does.

Jesus, Uppy, look at the war spending bill. Bush didn't like the timetable, told Congress, and they took it out while leaving the rest of the thing practically untouched. If that isn't a line-item veto I guess I don't know what is.

[mark3274]

Nice!!!

Kill both of them off and form 5 or 6 parties.

Choice is always a good thing.

Hey. Feel free to put my sig pic anywhere you choose. LOL.

getting rid of the dems and repubs would be the best thing america has done in a long longgggggggg time

both parties have become USELESS.:partysmilies:

[35Pete]

ASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed grave concerns about the due process and privacy implications of the Senate immigration bill. The proposed legislation would create a vast federal database to verify the work eligibility of all job applicants in America - including U.S. citizens; expand indefinite detention; and deny effective judicial review of Department of Homeland Security errors denying immigration status.

"The bill denies essential due process, seeks to overturn Supreme Court limits on detention and fails to guarantee meaningful judicial review," said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office. "Substantial changes must be made to ensure that the legislation adheres to the values of our country and our Constitution. Without effective judicial oversight, any new program enacted by Congress can be gutted by an overburdened, incompetent or hostile bureaucracy."

The proposed legislation would require every job applicant in America to have their eligibility to work verified by the DHS, using the error-plagued Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS). EEVS creates a massive government database containing extraordinary amounts of personal information on everyone in America, tied to each individual’s Social Security number. If DHS makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

As a part of EEVS, every person in America would be forced to carry a hardened Social Security card perhaps containing biometric information about the cardholder - essentially a national ID - and present a Real ID-compliant driver’s license to get any new job. The proposed legislation also expands current practice of expedited removal. The ACLU noted that these policies do nothing to solve the problems of illegal immigration and violate the fundamental American value of due process.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."


http://www.aclu.org/immigrants/gen/29878prs20070525.html

[uppy]

ASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed grave concerns about the due process and privacy implications of the Senate immigration bill. The proposed legislation would create a vast federal database to verify the work eligibility of all job applicants in America - including U.S. citizens; expand indefinite detention; and deny effective judicial review of Department of Homeland Security errors denying immigration status.

"The bill denies essential due process, seeks to overturn Supreme Court limits on detention and fails to guarantee meaningful judicial review," said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU’s Washington Legislative Office. "Substantial changes must be made to ensure that the legislation adheres to the values of our country and our Constitution. Without effective judicial oversight, any new program enacted by Congress can be gutted by an overburdened, incompetent or hostile bureaucracy."

The proposed legislation would require every job applicant in America to have their eligibility to work verified by the DHS, using the error-plagued Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS). EEVS creates a massive government database containing extraordinary amounts of personal information on everyone in America, tied to each individual’s Social Security number. If DHS makes a mistake in determining work eligibility, there will be virtually no way to challenge the error or recover lost wages due to the bill’s prohibitions on judicial review.

As a part of EEVS, every person in America would be forced to carry a hardened Social Security card perhaps containing biometric information about the cardholder - essentially a national ID - and present a Real ID-compliant driver’s license to get any new job. The proposed legislation also expands current practice of expedited removal. The ACLU noted that these policies do nothing to solve the problems of illegal immigration and violate the fundamental American value of due process.

"EEVS would be a financial and bureaucratic nightmare for both businesses and workers," said Timothy Sparapani, ACLU Legislative Counsel. "Under this already flawed program no one would be able to work in the U.S. without DHS approval - creating a ‘No Work List’ similar to the government’s ‘No Fly List.’ We need immigration reform, but not at this cost."


http://www.aclu.org/immigrants/gen/29878prs20070525.html


As long as it keeps illegals out I don't care

[Green Lantern]

As long as it keeps illegals out I don't care

I deed all my rights to the first person who can stop the brown horde.

Nice.

[uppy]

I deed all my rights to the first person who can stop the brown horde.

Nice.

Its always about the race card with you moonbats.....you should thank God

conservatives are still around to protect your rights Mr.line-item veto boy

[Green Lantern]

Its always about the race card with you moonbats.....you should thank God

conservatives are still around to protect your rights Mr.line-item veto boy

Huh?

who passed all those bills to take my rights away? Oh, yeah, the Reps.

[uppy]

Huh?

who passed all those bills to take my rights away? Oh, yeah, the Reps.

What rights have you lost Mr. masters in goverment ?

[Green Lantern]

Privacy

[35Pete]

What rights have you lost Mr. masters in goverment ?

1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th amendments, Article 1, section 9, 14th amendment.

Basically all I have left is the right to own firearms which I am selling anyways due to my past surgery and the right not to have the king quarter British troops in my house.

Thanks Republicans.

[uppy]

Privacy



Bullshit

[35Pete]

Bullshit

You're so ignorant of law that you wouldn't know it if it kicked you in the face.

[uppy]

1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, 10th amendments, Article 1, section 9, 14th amendment.

Basically all I have left is the right to own firearms which I am selling anyways due to my past surgery and the right not to have the king quarter British troops in my house.

Thanks Republicans.

LMAO

The Patroit act takes away the 1,5,6,8,9,10 and the 14 amendments

[uppy]

You're so ignorant of law that you wouldn't know it if it kicked you in the face.

Pete you have no Privacy RIGHT on the internet

[35Pete]

LMAO

The Patroit act takes away the 1,5,6,8,9,10 and the 14 amendments

Any Bill of Right that is only guaranteed 99% of the time is no longer a guaranteed right.


Why are you such a sheep and a coward Uppy?

[uppy]

Any Bill of Right that is only guaranteed 99% of the time is no longer a guaranteed right.


Why are you such a sheep and a coward Uppy?


What am I Scared of Pete ?

[jimmifli]

What am I Scared of Pete ?
Thinking.

[dilbert]

Thinking.

And the boogeyman.

But George will make us all safe.

"He loved Big Brother"

[uppy]

Thinking.

Hows the Kool-aid jimmi ?

[dilbert]

lol!

Beleive me. Jimmi is as far removed from a kool-aid drinker as there is.

[35Pete]

lol!

Beleive me. Jimmi is as far removed from a kool-aid drinker as there is.

Actually I've been quite impressed with what appears to be a solid conviction by Jimmi with respect to civil liberties.


I don't always agree with him but you gotta respect someone that tells the sheppard to go **** himself when he calls the flock to follow. LOL

[jimmifli]

Hows the Kool-aid jimmi ?
It's good. Strangely a little bitter....