Heatley Killed His Team

[beTough54]

That penalty he took at the end doomed the Senators.

It's not too surprising though, killing is what Heatley does best.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

lol...

here goes. bduff vs. blue, part 4,000.

[biggbrd27]

That penalty he took at the end doomed the Senators.

It's not too surprising though, killing is what Heatley does best.

An interesting metaphor. Quite appropos. Hope that penalty doesn't wake that line up for Saturday trying to make amends...

[Papaduke]

He killed the whole team... was he driving the bus?

[JLB]

Thanks Heatley!

[MauvaisSang]

Whereas Alfredsson looks like someone slipped him PCP and set his hair on fire, Heatley has looked like the same old invisible vehicular manslaughterer he was in last year's series.

[BuffaloSoldier2]

:rolleyes2 Taunting a player who got in a car accident and saw his best friend die? Classy. I hope some of you people never make a mistake in life.

There's been a Sabres fan and there's being a douchebag.

[jimd]

Agreed that's pretty sick. Can someone eliminate this completely inappropriate thread? Thanks.

[beTough54]

He didn't "get into a car accident," he was the SOLE CAUSE of a fiery crash that killed an innocent human being.

[MauvaisSang]

:rolleyes2 Taunting a player who got in a car accident and saw his best friend die?.

"Got in a car accident and saw his best friend die..." You make Heatley sound like an innocent by-stander. What are you, his defense attorney?

[BuffaloSoldier2]

He didn't "get into a car accident," he was the SOLE CAUSE of a fiery crash that killed an innocent human being.

You groan me because I think it's wrong to taunt someone because an off-ice incident that he probably repalys everyday of his life? That's for proving my point you're a douche. Seriously, who the hell are you to judge anyone?

[beTough54]

You groan me because I think it's wrong to taunt someone because an off-ice incident that he probably repalys everyday of his life? That's for proving my point you're a douche. Seriously, who the hell are you to judge anyone?

Who are you to judge me? What gives you the moral authority to defend wreckless murdering drivers and scorn lowly message board users not blessed with the un-wavering moral compass you seem to have?

[SHINEdown30]

:rolleyes2 Taunting a player who got in a car accident and saw his best friend die? Classy. I hope some of you people never make a mistake in life.

There's been a Sabres fan and there's being a douchebag.

Thats a pretty big mistake. But heres 2 motto's you should follow. Go the speed limit or at least only 10 MPH over. And don't drink and drive.

[BuffaloSoldier2]

Who are you to judge me? What gives you the moral authority to defend wreckless murdering drivers and scorn lowly message board users not blessed with the un-wavering moral compass you seem to have?

Aight man, I'll let it go because we are both Sabres fans. But agreeing to disagree, I just think it's a little tasteless to bring up a situation like that. I'm not saying if he's right or wrong but personally, I would hope most Sabres fan would be classier than that.

[BuffaloSoldier2]

Thats a pretty big mistake. But heres 2 motto's you should follow. Go the speed limit or at least only 10 MPH over. And don't drink and drive.

I agree but you do you always follow these? And I believe he wasn't over the legal limit.

[wolfpack]

This post has no class! He was not drunk, speed and not wearing a seat belt was the cause of Dan Snyder’s Death. Tell me honestly any of you have been in a situation and said to your self "what the **** was I thinking?" Mario Williams did the same thing last month here in Raleigh, 120 mph in his Lamborghini, stupid, stupid decision. Just think back to when you were 22 years old, and be honest, what if you had the means to a Ferrari or Lamborghini? Can anyone tell me, that not once, would they of had the balls to open that thing up on the road, especially with peer pressure? I just hope you never do anything negligent while driving, speeding, talking on the phone, eating a burger, fooling with you IPOD, etc. that cause the death of another innocent human being.

[Thumper]

Heatley's penalty at the end of the game tonight couldn't have less to do with what happend while he was a Thrasher.

Next topic.

[rpszonak]

Do we know everything about what happened? No.

Do we know Heatley? No.

Has someone made us the judge and jury? No.

Let's enjoy the games.

[Sabres244]

it was a joke..relax now

[wolfpack]

it was a joke..relax now

This is a sports forum, and if you find humor in someone’s mistake that contributed to another’s death, I pity you.

[Sabres244]

This is a sports forum, and if you find humor in someone’s mistake that contributed to another’s death, I pity you.

Take a damn joke man. Blue does this every game we play against Heatley.

[wolfpack]

Take a damn joke man. Blue does this every game we play against Heatley.

Don't find the hummor in it MAN!

[MFOT]

Who are you to judge me? What gives you the moral authority to defend wreckless murdering drivers and scorn lowly message board users not blessed with the un-wavering moral compass you seem to have?

Murder requires intent, retard.

Mistake? Absolutely. Murder? Uh, no.

[beTough54]

Tell me why he was charged AND CONVICTED OF Vehicular Homicide and not manslaughter then?

[stevesy]

Tell me why he was charged AND CONVICTED OF Vehicular Homicide and not manslaughter then?

Because vehicular homicide is often a lesser charge than vehicular manslaughter...

He was convicted of Second Degree Vehicular Homicide. It is a misdemeanor. Defined as homicide by vehicle due to negligence or violation of the laws governing motor vehicles.

First degree on the other hand is worse and is a felony. And if it were MURDER by judgment of the courts, which legally requires INTENT, he would have been charged with murder.

Please at least read up on legal terms next time?

[Carl J. Ironsides]

I think we can all agree on one thing: Dany Heatley, Ted Kennedy and Craig MacTavish probably shouldn't be operating a motor vehicle at any point.

[bduff54]

tubist just wants to get a rise out of you guys, its pretty pathetic.

i love how people continually say he was drunk, he wasn't drunk.

I gurantee tubist has done some silly things in his life, when he was younger i am sure he drove too fast, probably experimented with drugs, i know i did.

Luckily for me i never hurt my best friends when i was doing it, if i had i would have to deal with it for the rest of my life. Dan snyder's parents support Dany and share his pain, that's enough for me.

He does much more good giving the 300 speeches to kids that he is required to do over jail time. What good would come from Heatley sitting in a jail cell? This way he can atleast make help some kids make the right decisions as they get older.

[beTough54]

Yes he was drunk.

Not drunk = 0.0 blood alcohol level.

Heatley had more than that, even if it did not reach an arbitrary legal limit.

"Even at low doses, alcohol significantly impairs the judgment and coordination required to drive a car or operate machinery safely."

- http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/alcohol.htm

[mikgaes]

Somebody needs to give Heatley an earth-shattering check. Where's Brad May when you need him?

[bduff54]

what are you talking about?

Then why do we even have laws?

His blood/alcohol level was 0.01. That's like one beer.

you have never had a one beer and driven a car? if so you are a saint or a liar.

[beTough54]

Actually bduff, I haven't experimented with drugs or drove over 100 miles an hour. I've never driven a car after having alcohol, because I value not only my life, but other human life as well.

I guess that's what separates me from you and Dany Heatley.

[pmoon6]

what are you talking about?

Then why do we even have laws?

His blood/alcohol level was 0.01. That's like one beer.

you have never had a one beer and driven a car? if so you are a saint or a liar.I agree, actually 0.01 is a half a beer. That's why most states have levels of impairment. One beer, a 4 oz. glass of wine, or 1 oz. of booze put .02 in your blood. Your body gets rid of .02 every hour.

Saying he was drunk if he blew a .01 is beyond absurd.

[bduff54]

ok, well then you are the exception to most of north america.

Ok then, what is the stupidest thing you have ever done? you must have done something that you regret.

I know that when i was 17 i drank about 10 beers and drove my dad's car around my neighborhood with my friends in the back seat.

Do i regret it? Yes, luckily nobody got hurt.

Heatley bought a ferrari and took his best friend for a spin, he tried to show off and he paid for it dearly. Who are you to rip the guy apart, what makes you so special?

[г]

Actually bduff, I haven't experimented with drugs or drove over 100 miles an hour.

True. Kinda hard to do in your 1992 pink Geo Metro convertible chick-magnet...

[beTough54]

I can't honestly think of an event where I put human life besides my own at risk, and I suspect most normal people are the same.

[beTough54]

True. Kinda hard to do in your 1992 pink Geo Metro convertible chick-magnet...

Nice try douche, this is my real car:

http://www.joeld.net/metrozone/01Jun96.jpg

It's yellow, bitch ;)

[ricogarion]

Just the horror of an event like that is enough to inflict on Heatley as he has to relive that event every day of his life.Granted he has a life to live and poor Mr. Snyder was the victim,but to have to replay that event over and over is a terrible cross to bear.

[г]

Nice try douche, this is my real car:

http://www.joeld.net/metrozone/01Jun96.jpg

It's yellow, bitch ;)

Isn't that The Philster's car ?

[bduff54]

ok tubist, well then you are a saint, a true saint.

i think you are fibbing though, everybody on this board has gone over the speed limit or drove too fast. maybe not in a ferrari but we have all needed to get somewhere and went too fast, if you haven't then i commend you and will nominate you for the next pope.

[TRIPLE P]

He did kill his team, being selfish and taking a penalty. He hasn't learned a thing.

[bduff54]

i didn't see the game and i am sure it was a dumb penalty, but its very hard to criticize any of there top 3 players, they have been dominant this entire series.

[TRIPLE P]

i didn't see the game and i am sure it was a dumb penalty, but its very hard to criticize any of there top 3 players, they have been dominant this entire series.

It really wasn't that dumb... it looked like a raising the guys stick high stick.

[bduff54]

It really wasn't that dumb... it looked like a raising the guys stick high stick.

oh, so why is he saying he "killed" his team? it was just an accidental high stick? he made it sound like he took a dumb roughing call with 3 mins left or something.

[г]

Did that look like an intentional high stick ? I'm not so sure.

I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty, it's just one of those ones that was inadvertent coming at a baaaaad time in the game. The Sabres got dinged for one or two of those last night, so they had to call it fairly.

Having said that, do you remember back in the day, say 3 years ago, when hockey used to be a men's game ? The refs put the whistle in their pockets for the third period of playoff games ?

[TRIPLE P]

oh, so why is he saying he "killed" his team? it was just an accidental high stick? he made it sound like he took a dumb roughing call with 3 mins left or something.

You gotta be more careful... it wasn't intentional IMO... but it also wasn't necessary... it was on a breakout by the Sabres...no danger of scoring at that point.... and with 2:30 left it did effectively kill thier chances....

Heatley hasn't lit the lamp yet....he's got a ways to go to score the 4 you predicted..... we held the big line off the score sheet last night...

[bduff54]

yeah, he won't be getting the 4 goals i predicted but he is leading the playoffs in points, he is a fantastic player no doubt about it. Criticizing anything he does on the ice is pretty funny in my opinion, unless he does something absolutely stupid or suspendable. There are not many players in the world i would take over Heatley.

[г]

I've been to a few Senators games this year and while I live in Leafs country (so don't get the Senators on Saturday night HNIC feed on a regular basis) I've noticed that he's really picked up the defensive side of his game in the dozen or so Sens games I've watched this year.

Last year, he was balls-out offense and zero defense i.e. Brett Hullish, but it's really noticeable this year how he's become more of an all-around player, while still being able to put the puck in the net.

[Thumper]

Having said that, do you remember back in the day, say 3 years ago, when hockey used to be a men's game ? The refs put the whistle in their pockets for the third period of playoff games ?

It was a man's game when the rules suddenly changed for the 3rd period and over time? What was the point in having whistles at all 3 years ago?

[г]

It's called playoff hockey. When you become a man, you'll understand.

[MauvaisSang]

It's called playoff hockey. When you become a man, you'll understand.


Yeah because speed and skill is for p*ssies, right? And the wrestling on skates that used to be third period hockey is so damned manly... What a knuckledragging post.

[Thumper]

It's called playoff hockey. When you become a man, you'll understand.

So much for trying to have a civil and intelligent discussion with you. I don't know why I expected you to be capable of it in the first place. But at least I tried.

[bduff54]

i like a little bit of stuff to be let go in the third or OT, especially roughing calls and stuff but the hooks and interference need to be called. i am all good with crosschecks and battles in front of the net, i miss that stuff. you used to be able to just abuse a guy in front of the net and it was his job to stand there and take it, just ask holmstrom how much it has changed from a few years ago, he used to get destroyed in the crease but would always just take it and hold his position, now that stuff is not allowed, i don't like that.

[Thumper]

Yeah because speed and skill is for p*ssies, right? And the wrestling on skates that used to be third period hockey is so damned manly... What a knuckledragging post.

He's just one of those thick skulled Canadian wannabe-purist's. The kind of thick skulled "purist" who still doesn't realize why the NHL had to actually enforce the rules of the game. Mario Lemieux does't have shit on this guy.

[г]

Lol!

[ICRockets]

i like a little bit of stuff to be let go in the third or OT, especially roughing calls and stuff but the hooks and interference need to be called. i am all good with crosschecks and battles in front of the net, i miss that stuff. you used to be able to just abuse a guy in front of the net and it was his job to stand there and take it, just ask holmstrom how much it has changed from a few years ago, he used to get destroyed in the crease but would always just take it and hold his position, now that stuff is not allowed, i don't like that.

You would have been disgusted with one cross-checking call that Brian Campbell received in the 3rd period, then.

Let me ask you, bduff, does it sound right that somebody gets a cross-checking call for hitting a man from the front while trying to protect his goaltender?

[bduff54]

no ICrockets, if the guy can take it and stand there then he has earned the right to be there, Obviously there is a limit, you can't have vertebrae smashing cross checks but a few hard taps used to be part of the game.

[ricogarion]

You see what Campbell was called on in every playoff game many times over,why was it a penalty last night?

[TRIPLE P]

I'm actually ok with the Campbell call...he crossed checked him in the face.... i'm fine with shoves in the crease, and some ruffer play down there...you gotta pay some kind of price for positioning...but campbells was too high

[MFOT]

Tell me why he was charged AND CONVICTED OF Vehicular Homicide and not manslaughter then?

I don't care about the semantics and technicalities of what the courts choose to call it. I care about the COMMON ****ING SENSE factor. Murder requires intent. Period.

[MFOT]

Yes he was drunk.

Not drunk = 0.0 blood alcohol level.

Heatley had more than that, even if it did not reach an arbitrary legal limit.

"Even at low doses, alcohol significantly impairs the judgment and coordination required to drive a car or operate machinery safely."

- http://www.gdcada.org/statistics/alcohol.htm

That's hilarious. You call down the legal limit as an arbitrary number yet promote the tripe that anything over 0.0 is being 'drunk.' Ridiculous.

He wasn't at the legal limit, the booze had nothing to do with the accident. Perhaps you should just deal with being wrong instead of trying to spin this to try to justify your ridiculous opinion.

[Carl J. Ironsides]

The Campbell penalty almost sent me through the roof. Alfredsson skates toward Soup, initiates contact, then takes a dive. It was a pathetic display by the Senators' equally pathetic loser of a captain. To steal a word from Ron Wilson's vocabulary, I've seen Alfredsson do two "chickenshit" things in this series -- first, the hit on Tallinder, and last night's dive.

Chris Drury would never pull that crap.

[bduff54]

no drury never would, alfie has a bit of a cheap side to him, he always has. Very good player though.

[MFOT]

Actually bduff, I haven't experimented with drugs or drove over 100 miles an hour. I've never driven a car after having alcohol, because I value not only my life, but other human life as well.

I guess that's what separates me from you and Dany Heatley.

Gotta love the "world is black and white" *******s like bluetubist.

Ya, cause driving with a BAC of 0.01 in your blood is "not valuing human life".

You can affect your BAC by using mouthwash for Chrissakes.

[bduff54]

haha i know MFOT, this guy is a perfect human being.

he has never done anything dangerous in his life, he is a model citizen.

gimme a break.

[г]

He's the Pope, Mother Theresa and Ghandi all rolled into one...

[MFOT]

Did that look like an intentional high stick ? I'm not so sure.

I'm not saying it wasn't a penalty, it's just one of those ones that was inadvertent coming at a baaaaad time in the game. The Sabres got dinged for one or two of those last night, so they had to call it fairly.

Having said that, do you remember back in the day, say 3 years ago, when hockey used to be a men's game ? The refs put the whistle in their pockets for the third period of playoff games ?

This is one thing that about hockey and hockey fans that drives me absolutely bonkers!!

What's with this expectation that games should be called differently in the 3rd period or in the playoffs?

A penalty is a penalty is a penalty. Don't want time in the box? Don't commit a penalty! Amazing!

[Thumper]

I've gone as fast as my car would go with a friend in the passenger seat. I've also been the passenger for some friends of mine while they were trying to find out how fast their car would go.

We're all lucky enough to never havr had anything bad happen.

But if I was Heatley's age, and could afford a ferrari, and I had my bestfriend with me, odds are that there was a time when that might even have been a goal; to see how fast that ferrari could go. We're human. We're stupid. We live and we die. Sometimes its with sadness and sometimes it's 80 years later.

There's no one on this planet that has the right to judge Dany Heatley's worth as a human being.

[bduff54]

great post Thumper, he has to deal with it everyday, not us.

[Thumper]

great post Thumper, he has to deal with it everyday, not us.

And who is anyone to make it harder on him that hasn't at least experienced something close to what he's had to deal with?

The fans who yell "murderer" at him or make signs at hockey games referencing that horrific night had better watch their step. Karma is a boomerang. I'm not saying the same thing will happen to them or something....I'm not even saying they deserve anything close to what Heatley is living through. But I know those types of people don't have any kind of grasp on what the stones they are casting could lead too.

[bduff54]

i agree, its just a scumbag thing to do. why bring something like that up when we are trying to enjoy a sporting event, it makes no sense to me.

it's like the people that were screaming rapist at Kobe Bryant, it was embarassing.

[pmoon6]

i agree, its just a scumbag thing to do. why bring something like that up when we are trying to enjoy a sporting event, it makes no sense to me.

it's like the people that were screaming rapist at Kobe Bryant, it was embarassing.That's the funny thing, Duffy. People run their mouth's without knowing what really happened. Celebrities get vilified when something bad happens to them. Why? Because they're celebrities and the media runs with the story.

I know alot about the Kobe case because I live very close to where it happened. The hotel where the incident happened is one of my customers and I am personal friends with a few guys in the Eagle County Sheriff's Department who conducted the investigation. Kobe didn't rape that girl. She came to his room for the specific purpose of ****ing a sports celebrity. She bragged about it to her friends at a party afterwards. I guess when she discovered that she had some anal bleeding after she let him **** her in the ass, she decided that she could make some bank and filed charges.

The only thing Kobe did wrong was cheat on his wife and make himself a target.

[IhatethePats]

:rolleyes2 Taunting a player who got in a car accident and saw his best friend die? Classy. I hope some of you people never make a mistake in life.

There's been a Sabres fan and there's being a douchebag.

What a Joke!

Vehicular Homicide = defendents can still be charged with manslaughter or murder...He killed somebody - I hope he can't sleep at night...whether he's playing the Sabres or not....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide

[stevesy]

What a Joke!

Vehicular Homicide = defendents can still be charged with manslaughter or murder...He killed somebody - I hope he can't sleep at night...whether he's playing the Sabres or not....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_homicide

But he wasn't.... And it was second degree.... What makes you a better judge than the courts?

[IhatethePats]

But he wasn't.... And it was second degree.... What makes you a better judge than the courts?

The DEAD guy.....

[stevesy]

The dead guy whose parent's forgave Heatley?

[SHINEdown30]

But he wasn't.... And it was second degree.... What makes you a better judge than the courts?

Because Heatly got special treatment due to the fact he is a professional athlete. Come on, you always see it. Its total bullshit.

[Thumper]

Just because he may have gotten special treatment because of the public spotlight that focuses on his job does not mean that he doesn't feel a terrible and relentless sadness like people with normal jobs would. And no one here could ever know either way. So maybe we should all just shut up about this topic and move onto the actual sport we're all here for.

[beTough54]

Heatley actually pled down to the 2nd degree charge from a more severe charge.

I'm sure the prosecutors realized the difficulty in prosecuting a sports hero. Look at the number of people here that aren't even Thrashers/Sens fans defending the guy for killing an innocent human being. The prosecutors got something out of it, knowing that people like those on this board would just say "boys will be boys" and a murderer would go free.

[Thumper]

I'm sure the prosecutors realized the difficulty in prosecuting a sports hero. Look at the number of people here that aren't even Thrashers/Sens fans defending the guy for killing an innocent human being. The prosecutors got something out of it, knowing that people like those on this board would just say "boys will be boys" and a murderer would go free.

And surely discussing the matter on an internet message board will not change the past. The incident, or the ruling.

This is the ****ing playoffs. Let's enjoy them while they last.

[MFOT]

Heatley actually pled down to the 2nd degree charge from a more severe charge.

I'm sure the prosecutors realized the difficulty in prosecuting a sports hero. Look at the number of people here that aren't even Thrashers/Sens fans defending the guy for killing an innocent human being. The prosecutors got something out of it, knowing that people like those on this board would just say "boys will be boys" and a murderer would go free.

Wow. You are a grade A moron. Defending the guy for his actions? Not so.

Just pointing out how ridiculously wrong you are in calling it murder. You can close your eyes, plug your ears and shout "IT WAS MURDER!!" over and over again, but it doesn't change the fact that you have your head up your ass and are in fact wrong.

[bduff54]

tubist, you simply don't get it.

[IhatethePats]

The dead guy whose parent's forgave Heatley?

Hey Like it or not Heatley KILLED someone and the law says it wasn't an 'ACCIDENT' he is responsible because he was careless and negligent according to the law AGAIN, it doesn't matter what Snyder's folks said or even what the prosecutors ended up settling for...Dany Heatley will always have blood on his hands...

Also I'd consider what the Grand Jury decided before quoting Snyder's Folks or the eventual deal worked out between the lawyers;
"UPDATE July 2004: Dany Heatley has been indicted by a Fulton County grand jury on first-degree vehicular homicide charges, for the car wreck that killed his friend and teammate, Dan Snyder, in October 2003. The charges carry a 3-15 year prison sentence."


http://atlanta.about.com/cs/sports/a/thrashers.htm

OJ had good lawyers too…so I guess you’d defend him, right buddy???

Crew on that...

[bduff54]

comparing oj and heatley is laughable.

[Polish Rifle]

Wow, this is an intense thread. Karma baby get get get it!

[IhatethePats]

comparing oj and heatley is laughable.

Technically speaking Heatley has killed more people then OJ...sorry but its true...

[Bay Side]

Has a point!!!!!