Michael Moore being investigated for filming in Cuba

[Green Lantern]

I guess this answers my question about what the government could do to you for going to Cuba against the travel ban.

Moore 'breached embargo on Cuba' in film production

Friday, May 11, 2007

By Andrew Buncombe

The Oscar-winning director Michael Moore is being investigated by the Bush administration after he took a number of rescue workers to Cuba for medical treatment - allegedly breaching a US embargo on travelling to the Caribbean nation.

Moore travelled to Cuba earlier this year with a number of ailing workers who had toiled at Ground Zero in New York. He took them to film a segment for his upcoming film Sicko, which he hopes will confront the US health industry in much the same way that his 2002 film Bowling for Columbine took on the gun-rights lobby.

In a letter to Moore, initially obtained by the Associated Press and then posted on the internet, the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control (Ofac) informed Moore that it was investigating him for possible violation of the embargo. "This office has no record that a specific licence was issued authorising you to engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba," wrote Dale Thompson, the office's chief of general investigations. "Ofac enforcement is conducting a civil investigation for possible unlicensed transactions under the regulations surrounding your trip to Cuba." ...

...The Bush administration has tightened the travel restrictions several times, most recently in late 2006 when it established a task force to pursue violators of the embargo and penalties of up to 10 years in prison. One of the few exceptions to the travel ban relates to bona fide journalists, though that technically requires the issuance of a journalist's visa by the Cuban authorities - something they have been increasingly reluctant to do in recent months.

The letter to Moore said he had 20 business days to provide the Ofac with various information about his trip such as the date of travel and point of departure, his reason for visiting, his itinerary and the names and addresses of those who accompanied him. "Ofac has information indicating you claimed to qualify under the provision for general licence for full-time journalists," it said. It noted that while Moore's film company had made such an application no determination had been made by the time of his trip.

Moore and his lawyers have yet to decide how to respond to the letter...

[uppy]

Jail him !

[JLB]

http://www.foogle.biz/deliverance_the_movie/deliverance_pants.jpgSend him to deliverance in a ****ing canoe!:rockon:

[comericatigers]

Go back to Cuba and stay there.

[nehemiah]

great way to waste taxpayer money.

the embargo is ****ing stupid.

[35Pete]

Jail him !

As much as I can't stand him it seems as if he is being tried for a political crime.

Uppy. What is freedom about?

[uppy]

As much as I can't stand him it seems as if he is being tried for a political crime.

Uppy. What is freedom about?

This is more then just about freedom here Pete.

The guy is an ******* and abuses the freedoms he has here in America

along with many other Americans.

[Green Lantern]

This is more then just about freedom here Pete.

The guy is an ******* and abuses the freedoms he has here in America

along with many other Americans.

Freedom requires responsibility?

[uppy]

Freedom requires responsibility?


Esactly, but that is the problem too many Americans do not know how

to take responsibility. So what is your point?

[Green Lantern]

No point. Put down the pipe, son, it was only a question.

[35Pete]

This is more then just about freedom here Pete.

The guy is an ******* and abuses the freedoms he has here in America

along with many other Americans.

Who defines what the "abuse" is? The good people?

If you can limit freedom by defining an "abuse of freedom" to restrict it then you really don't have a freedom, do you?

[uppy]

Who defines what the "abuse" is? The good people?

If you can limit freedom by defining an "abuse of freedom" to restrict it then you really don't have a freedom, do you?

We all have the freedom to make our own choices, but when people

make bad choices or wrong choices then if forces the goverment,

the people we elect into office, to make rules and regulations.

We should not be here to try and find our way around these rules and

regulations we should encourage the people to obey them. We would

all live much happier don't you think?

[35Pete]

We all have the freedom to make our own choices, but when people

make bad choices or wrong choices then if forces the goverment,

the people we elect into office, to make rules and regulations.

We should not be here to try and find our way around these rules and

regulations we should encourage the people to obey them. We would

all live much happier don't you think?

Well wait a minute there Uppy. You are contradicting yourself.

First you say that "Freedom is the ability to have choices".
Then you say that there are "bad choices".
Then you want to take away those choices that are "bad".
Using the force of government. Which really means that you have no choices.
Limited choice is NOT freedom of choice.

To me freedom is the ability to do anything that you please provided that it causes no harm to anyone else. That's it. That's it in a nutshell.

Your idea directly contradicts this.

[Green Lantern]

The only point of entering a labyrinth is to get out of a labyrinth.

[uppy]

Well wait a minute there Uppy. You are contradicting yourself.

First you say that "Freedom is the ability to have choices".
Then you say that there are "bad choices".
Then you want to take away those choices that are "bad".
Using the force of government. Which really means that you have no choices.
Limited choice is NOT freedom of choice.

To me freedom is the ability to do anything that you please provided that it causes no harm to anyone else. That's it. That's it in a nutshell.

Your idea directly contradicts this.

How can we protect others who make good choices from the ones who make

bad choices without rules and regulations so that no harm is brought fourth

to another American? If you give one too much rope innocent people will be

harmed and you know this to be true?

[35Pete]

How can we protect others who make good choices from the ones who make

bad choices without rules and regulations so that no harm is brought fourth

to another American? If you give one too much rope innocent people will be

harmed and you know this to be true?

Vague. Please define "bad choice".

[uppy]

Vague. Please define "bad choice".

You are an intelligent man Pete, I am sure you can figure out what I am

saying.

[35Pete]

You are an intelligent man Pete, I am sure you can figure out what I am

saying.

No. Don't copout on me. Let's take a specific.

How is Michael Moore's decision to go to Cuba a "bad choice"?

[uppy]

No. Don't copout on me. Let's take a specific.

How is Michael Moore's decision to go to Cuba a "bad choice"?

Give me one example of Michael Moore (MM) making a good or right decicion?

You know Pete MM wipes his ass with your precious constitution.

[35Pete]

Give me one example of Michael Moore (MM) making a good or right decicion?

You know Pete MM wipes his ass with your precious constitution.

Don't beg the question by deflecting the question back in my face.

How is Michael Moore's choice of traveling to Cuba a "bad choice"?

[uppy]

Don't beg the question by deflecting the question back in my face.

How is Michael Moore's choice of traveling to Cuba a "bad choice"?

LOL! Pete give me one, just one example of anything good he has done.

Cat got your tongue?

He did not go there for a vacation - he went there for an assignment and he

HAD to get permission. He did not. He broke the law. Jail him.

[35Pete]

LOL! Pete give me one, just one example of anything good he has done.

Cat got your tongue?

He did not go there for a vacation - he went there for an assignment and he

HAD to get permission. He did not. He broke the law. Jail him.

Jesus.

Why do I have to believe that he has done anything good?

Uppy. Do you believe in freedom of assembly? Do you know what that means? Think you bright guy you.

[35Pete]

LOL! Pete give me one, just one example of anything good he has done.

Cat got your tongue?

He did not go there for a vacation - he went there for an assignment and he

HAD to get permission. He did not. He broke the law. Jail him.

Psychology and other sciences do not make wide use of the term "brainwashing", recognizing its vagueness and its history of use in propaganda, not to mention its association with sometimes hysterical fears (such as those of people succumbing to "foreign" ideologies). It is often more helpful to analyze "brainwashing" as a combination of manipulations to promote persuasion and attitude change such as propaganda, coercion, capture-bonding, and restriction of access to neutral sources of information. Note that many of these techniques are more subtly used (usually unconsciously) by advertisers, governments, schools, parents and peers, so the aura of exoticism around "brainwashing" is undeserved. At the same time, nuanced forms of indoctrination and propaganda in religious, political and commercial venues may occasion wider and deeper impacts than do outright coercive tactics. Mirroring George Orwell's doublespeak, strategists of indoctrination and propaganda frequently disguise themselves as promoters of freedom and liberation.

Thought reform consists of the alteration of a person's basic attitudes and beliefs by outside manipulation. The term usually relates closely to brainwashing and to mind-control.

[uppy]

Link that dribble that you just posted - you know the rules. Or should I say

you know your rules.

[JLB]

Is this the thread supporting Michael Moore?

[35Pete]

Link that dribble that you just posted - you know the rules. Or should I say

you know your rules.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing

You know that I just kick the crap out of you when engaged by me. Why not stop and listen? Just listen?

[JLB]

Why is he under investigation.

[35Pete]

Why is he under investigation.

Moore? Good question. Why do you think?

[JLB]

great way to waste taxpayer money.

the embargo is ****ing stupid.

That doesn't matter whatsoever let's spend the money.:rockon:

[JLB]

Moore? Good question. Why do you think?

Under what law did he have the right to transport those people while under a travel ban?
I say throw him into solitary for about 18 months then shoot him during his escape attempt.

[35Pete]

Under what law did he have the right to transport those people while under a travel ban?
I say throw him into solitary for about 18 months then shoot him during his escape attempt.

So is it a just law? Do you believe in freedom of assembly?

[JLB]

So is it a just law? Do you believe in freedom of assembly?

Is that somehow what Moore is doing IYO?
He's using these people how does that affect his assembly right?
He's apparently violating the travel ban.
I'm sure there's gonna be more charges brought.
The law your asking about being just is what exactly?
How does it apply to Moore?

[35Pete]

Is that somehow what Moore is doing IYO?
He's using these people how does that affect his assembly right?
He's apparently violating the travel ban.
I'm sure there's gonna be more charges brought.
The law your asking about being just is what exactly?
How does it apply to Moore?

How is this not an act of assembly? The freedom to travel and meet with those that you freely choose to is a fundamental natural right. I mean...Jlb. Is it because he was going to a communist country and that it was MM that bothers you? Why is the travel ban just? Is it not an abridgement of the freedom to assemble?

[JLB]

How is this not an act of assembly? The freedom to travel and meet with those that you freely choose to is a fundamental natural right. I mean...Jlb. Is it because he was going to a communist country and that it was MM that bothers you? Why is the travel ban just? Is it not an abridgement of the freedom to assemble?

I disagree it's not a right if you break any laws while doing it.
I might be against the travel ban but it's not for me to decide.
The law has made it so that it is.
Michael Moore can go anywhere as far as I'm concerned Pete.
But it's not up to us and never was or will be.

[35Pete]

I disagree it's not a right if you break any laws while doing it.
I might be against the travel ban but it's not for me to decide.
The law has made it so that it is.
Michael Moore can go anywhere as far as I'm concerned Pete.
But it's not up to us and never was or will be.

Do you understand constitutional law and the brain hurting circular reasoning that you are spitting forth?

Hmm. Freedom of assembly is a guaranteed right under the constitution. But the law says that MM's right to freely assemble is illegal. Therefore MM is not protected by the constitution.

Jesus. I need some tylenol.

[35Pete]

I disagree it's not a right if you break any laws while doing it.
I might be against the travel ban but it's not for me to decide.
The law has made it so that it is.
Michael Moore can go anywhere as far as I'm concerned Pete.
But it's not up to us and never was or will be.


You are dead wrong.

Do you like being ruled?

[Green Lantern]

You are dead wrong.

Do you like being ruled?

7130

[JLB]

Do you understand constitutional law and the brain hurting circular reasoning that you are spitting forth?

Hmm. Freedom of assembly is a guaranteed right under the constitution. But the law says that MM's right to freely assemble is illegal. Therefore MM is not protected by the constitution.

Jesus. I need some tylenol.

He's under investigation.
That tells me there is a concern.
It will all be sorted out.
If he's guilty of breaking a law or not is still in question.
I'll wait and see what the decision is.
The law doesn't say anything about MM.

[shiva2999]

LOL!

What a bunch of fruitcakes.

Isn't it enough I kicked all you wingnuts all around the yard in the first MM thread about this?

As I said in that thread, MM is a true American patriot and his haters are morons.

Worse than morons.

Treasonous and cowardly morons.

But it doesn't matter because MM is laughing his ass off because the stupid and hateful group that UPPy and jlb represent are going down in flames.

Burn baby, burn.

[uppy]

LOL!

What a bunch of fruitcakes.

Isn't it enough I kicked all you wingnuts all around the yard in the first MM thread about this?

As I said in that thread, MM is a true American patriot and his haters are morons.

Worse than morons.

Treasonous and cowardly morons.

But it doesn't matter because MM is laughing his ass off because the stupid and hateful group that UPPy and jlb represent are going down in flames.

Burn baby, burn.

His haters are morons??

Then what do you call his followers?

The only people who like him are the ones have no respect for this country.

[shiva2999]

His haters are morons??

Then what do you call his followers?


1. Yup.

2. Smart people.

[JLB]

Then what do you call his followers?


Complete fools.:rockon:

[shiva2999]

"One doesn't necessarily need to be stupid to be a conservative, but most stupid people are conservatives" ~ John Stuart Mill

[JLB]

"One doesn't necessarily need to be stupid to be a conservative, but most stupid people are conservatives" ~ John Stuart Mill

"One does need to be stupid to be a liberal,and all stupid people are liberals" ~ JLB 51

[Shama-Lama Ding Dong]

"One does need to be stupid to be a liberal,and all stupid people are liberals" ~ JLB 51

Actually, this is preferable. Consider our president.

[JLB]

Actually, this is preferable. Consider our president.

He's liberal.

[JLB]

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Some of my proof.

[Shama-Lama Ding Dong]

Some of my proof.

Proof? You're a liberal?

[shotgun]

bush ****ed our country up worst then it was . now he is wasting tax payers money even more **** him