Gas (not jet fuel) caused steel girders to fail in bay area bridge fire

[Gilly]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/images/070429hiwaycollapse.jpg



Entire bridge came down even thou it wasn't supporting 30 floors of a building. Wasn't one of the loony left's 9/11 arguements that the steel beams wouldn't fail in a jet fuel fire? These beams did to a regular gas fire while they held only a road and a truck. 20-30 floors of a building had to weigh 1000s of tons more.


more pics of steel girders failing due to gas fire.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,1689,00.html#7_33

[Maz]

Awesome point Gilly! This does make the whole steel beams wouldn't melt under the heat of burning jet fuel argument pretty much void and incompetent...

[sukie]

This was an open air fire as well.... Heat dispersed rapidly.

Hmmmmm.

[Crinoline]

Oh come on, It is obvious Bush brought that bridge down, anyone can see that.

[ticatfan3]

Oh come on, It is obvious Bush brought that bridge down, anyone can see that.It had to be bush, shiv proved us all wrong on 9/11,so I would say they had this wired the same time they wired the towers. This is a scam by bush to get us thinking that the jets themselves brought them down.

[Gilly]

Oh come on, It is obvious Bush brought that bridge down, anyone can see that.

:rofl:

[uppy]

Life is good

[Ralonzo]

Oh come on, It is obvious Bush brought that bridge down, anyone can see that.

I saw on YouTube where Cheney set explosive charges on the beams.

[35Pete]

How many tons of blue iron did they use Ralonzo?

[Ralonzo]

Don't know how many tons exactly, but there were a few hundred of these taped up:

[35Pete]

:rofl:

Dropped by black helicopters in the night I take it?

The Sunbeam brand makes a fantastic oxidizer.

Do you think those steel beams will still be molten in August?

[Gibby]

Oh come on, It is obvious Bush brought that bridge down, anyone can see that.

It had to be bush, shiv proved us all wrong on 9/11,so I would say they had this wired the same time they wired the towers. This is a scam by bush to get us thinking that the jets themselves brought them down.

Correct.

[Gibby]

:rofl:

Dropped by black helicopters in the night I take it?

The Sunbeam brand makes a fantastic oxidizer.

Do you think those steel beams will still be molten in August?

:popcorn: I am loving this thread, great comedy.

[35Pete]

The "local building inspectors" checking out the structural integrity before declaring the collapse "an accident".

http://www.ladonia.net/new_herald/wp-content/SecretSErvice.jpg

[Gibby]

The "local building inspectors" checking out the structural integrity before declaring the collapse "an accident".

http://www.ladonia.net/new_herald/wp-content/SecretSErvice.jpg

:rofl: :popcorn: this thread has that Shiva type Oliver Stone conspiracy tinge to it. Scuse me need more :popcorn:

[35Pete]

Proof that Bush ordered this bridge destroyed.

Photo snapped by "concerned citizen".

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/35Pete/bush.jpg

[Gibby]

Proof that Bush ordered this bridge destroyed.

Photo snapped by "concerned citizen".

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/35Pete/bush.jpg

damn it looks almost as doctored as some 9/11 conspiracy pics.

[ticatfan3]

Where is shiv anyways, hiding. lol

[dilbert]

Maybe he is golfing????

[uppy]

Does Carl Rove live in SF ?

[TRIPLE P]

Life is good

Not for people on the bridge

[Fortunesmith]

I guess we can finally put that silly "Bush blew up the towers" shenanigans to rest. The whole premise is lost. Better luck next conspiracy, Shiv.

[Gibby]

I guess we can finally put that silly "Bush blew up the towers" shenanigans to rest. The whole premise is lost. Better luck next conspiracy, Shiv.

:rofl: :popcorn:

[Gilly]

Where is shiv anyways, hiding. lol


he is still waiting for truthout or moveone.org to give him direction in this matter

[Gilly]

bumped for shiv, shep, and neh far left response!

[Gibby]

silence

[JLB]

I guess we can finally put that silly "Bush blew up the towers" shenanigans to rest. The whole premise is lost. Better luck next conspiracy, Shiv.

Wait till Rosie reads this she'll shit herself again.

[uppy]

Not for people on the bridge

Buzz kill

[JLB]

silence

Conspiracy bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
:nono:

[shiva2999]

Maybe he is golfing????

Visiting my mom.

When the cat's away, the mice will play.

[uppy]

Of mice and men

[shiva2999]

BTW, I know it doesn't make any difference to my pinhead fans but gasoline is not kerosene.

[Matt]

There was a gas station down here that got busted when a bunch of cars started breaking down after visiting.. turns out they were trying to peddle kerosene.

They didn't seem to see what all the fuss was about.

[uppy]

Ok....what the temp delta betwen gas and kerosene Shiva ?

[35Pete]

BTW, I know it doesn't make any difference to my pinhead fans but gasoline is not kerosene.

And a hundred tons of aluminum traveling at 1,000 km/hour is still 100 tons traveling at 1,000 km/hr.

[shiva2999]

And an oxygen rich fire is different from an oxygen starved fire.

[shiva2999]

And a hundred tons of aluminum traveling at 1,000 km/hour is still 100 tons traveling at 1,000 km/hr.

Indeed. And 1000 kph is how many mph Pete?

[Matt]

Indeed. And 1000 kph is how many mph Pete?

Oh yeah!?

Well how many degrees do YOU have, shiva?!?

[shiva2999]

Ok....what the temp delta betwen gas and kerosene Shiva ?

Try using gasoline in a lamp.

Try running your car on kerosene.

You know, when I saw this report on CNN this morning I knew what I'd read here.

And you'd have had a basis for an argument, except you guys just had to cheat from the word go.

Thanks for making it easy for me.

[shiva2999]

Oh yeah!?

Well how many degrees do YOU have, shiva?!?

Pete's degree is in engineering, not ethics.

[Gilly]

so the fire cant damage steel argument is moot now, right shiv? i mean a tanker took down steel girders in a bridge so a 747 full of jet fuel might weaken the support in a skyscraper. its at least plausible.

[shiva2999]

so the fire cant damage steel argument is moot now, right shiv?

this was never the argument.

It makes a serviceable strawman though.

[uppy]

This could be Shiva's "Little Bighorn Thread"

http://www.markchurms.com/Merchant2/graphics/custer-l.jpg

Gen.G.A.Shiva above leading the 7th (moonbat) Cavalry into the Little bighorn

[Gilly]

so this 911 crap is dead, global warming debate is fully debuked, next on the list shiv?

[shiva2999]

This could be Shiva's "Little Bighorn Thread"

http://www.markchurms.com/Merchant2/graphics/custer-l.jpg

Gen.G.A.Shiva above leading the 7th (moonbat) Cavalry into the Little bighorn

Why are you comparing me to a brave American soldier who died fighting the War on Indian Terrorism?

Do you hate the troops Uppy?

[shiva2999]

so this 911 crap is dead, global warming debate is fully debuked, next on the list shiv?

Ah, the "post gibberish then declare victory" strategery.

Tried and true.

[Gilly]

i ll shut up then and listen to your response, havent seen one yet . you were saying the steel wouldnt fail in a fire fueled by jet fuel...

[shiva2999]

... you were saying the steel wouldnt fail in a fire fueled by jet fuel...

No, what I was saying is that none of the forensics on the steel indicated they were subjected to temperatures REMOTELY close to what was required to weaken the steel significantly.

Sorry.

[Gilly]

No, what I was saying is that none of the forensics on the steel indicated they were subjected to temperatures REMOTELY close to what was required to weaken the steel significantly.




You say that while I say look at the steel in the bridge that burned. the towers got hit with a 747 before the fire. Couldve the steel inside deformed like the bridge? Common sense.
Let the people decide.

[shiva2999]

You say that while I say look at the steel in the bridge that burned. the towers got hit with a 747 before the fire. Couldve the steel inside deformed like the bridge? Common sense.


Im sure a lot of steel was deformed AND destroyed when the planes hit the towers.

But if you remember, it didn't make them fall down.

And WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane. And yet it fell down too.

Hmmmm.

[35Pete]

Im sure a lot of steel was deformed AND destroyed when the planes hit the towers.

But if you remember, it didn't make them fall down.

And WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane. And yet it fell down too.

Hmmmm.

Well. Let's see. By your logic no plane hit that bridge.

Very suspicious. Yep. Very fishy.

[Gilly]

whatever, everytime i catch you spouting your 9/11 bs im bringing the pics of the burnt bridge. fire and a 747 impacting the towers brought them down. wtc 7?
2 100 story buildings collasped 500 yards from it. my guess is the foundation got screwed up.

if we blew wtc 7 up, how come it took so long to fall?

[Gilly]

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[Green Lantern]

Why are you comparing me to a brave American soldier who died fighting the War on Indian Terrorism?

Do you hate the troops Uppy?

I love those shirts they sell out West with a few Navajo holding flint-locks as the caption below states: Homeland Security, Fighting Terrorism since 1492.

[pmoon6]

I love those shirts they sell out West with a few Navajo holding flint-locks as the caption below states: Homeland Security, Fighting Terrorism since 1492.I live "out West" and I have never seen one of those. I also like those Seminoles T-shirts. "We've been in the Everglades since, like Forever".

You live where? New York City? What a ****.

[uppy]

Why are you comparing me to a brave American soldier who died fighting the War on Indian Terrorism?

Do you hate the troops Uppy?

I think of you as a brave soldier fighting for your cause.

[shiva2999]

if we blew wtc 7 up, how come it took so long to fall?

What? Like this?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc-7_1_.gif

[Gibby]

This whole post was written in brazen cruelty, never mind

[shiva2999]

and perfected by you. Oh and your mother's a whore (just giving it the usual Shivite family smack)

Gee, and here you were apologizing to me for being a bad Christian just a couple of days ago.

[Gibby]

Gee, and here you were apologizing to me for being a bad Christian just a couple of days ago.

Yes, I am fallen. I do make mistakes and I will correct it.

[Matt]

I live "out West" and I have never seen one of those. I also like those Seminoles T-shirts. "We've been in the Everglades since, like Forever".

You live where? New York City? What a ****.

Oh, well, that just settles it then.

[sukie]

And an oxygen rich fire is different from an oxygen starved fire.

WTF does this mean? Considering there was no heat trap on the bridge to magnify the heat... it was open air heat dispersment unlike the towers where the heat was trapped.

[shiva2999]

http://0304.netclime.net/1_5/000/000/372/283/1177887036456495.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g78/idiotbastard/tower2_exp1.jpg

[shiva2999]

WTF does this mean?

It means fires need oxygen, what do you think it means?

[Gilly]

By taking awhile to fall i meant it fell hours after the towers were hit. I am assuming you think the gov blew it up about the same time as the plane hit. If the explosions didnt happen then they wouldve happened with 500 tv cameras filming the area and the towers.

Back to point. Steel in towers melted like the bridge did in the bay area. Steel melted, towers came down. Conspiracy now shown to be false. Let the people decide.

[Matt]

Sometimes a rose is just a rose.

And sometimes it's a newfangled James Bond contraption with cyanide darts that can be used to kill you.

[shiva2999]

I am assuming you think the gov blew it up about the same time as the plane hit.

Why would you assume that? It didn't. It fell around 5 pm.

The BBC even announced it had fallen minutes before it actually did.

There is footage where the Beeb declares WTC 7 has collapsed with a live shot in the bg of the building still standing.

[Gilly]

Why would you assume that? It didn't. It fell around 5 pm.

The BBC even announced it had fallen minutes before it actually did.

There is footage where the Beeb declares WTC 7 has collapsed with a live shot in the bg of the building still standing.

no kidding? BBC was in on it to eh? with every camera in the state aimed at the WTC site nobody picked up on the implosion charges going off in wtc7? (would have to be 20-30 of them) US gov, BBC, was the British gov in on the fix also?



Back to point. Steel in towers melted like the bridge did in the bay area. Steel melted, towers came down. Conspiracy now shown to be false. Let the people decide.

[shiva2999]

no kidding? BBC was in on it to eh?

Just talking facts. The conclusions are between you and your conscience.