9/11 theory ...the Mystery Plane

[uppy]

Question,has this been posted before ?

The 911 Mystery Plane
First in a Series
Mark H. Gaffney
4-5-7


On September 11 2001, as the eyes of the nation were focused on the gruesome events at the World Trade Center, the networks interrupted their coverage in New York with a breaking story from Washington. A large plane had just been sighted over the White House. Exactly when it first appeared is not certain, but the reports aired at about the time of the pentagon strike, or just before. Witnesses who saw the mystery plane say it circled over Washington. CNN's Senior White House correspondent John King saw it while standing in Lafayette Park, directly across from the White House. King reported live that "about 10 minutes ago, there was a white jet circling overhead. Now, you generally don't see planes in the area over the White House. That is restricted air space. No reason to believe that this jet was there for any nefarious purposes, but the Secret Service was very concerned, pointing up at the jet in the sky."[1]

Kate Snow, another CNN correspondent, was standing two blocks from the Capitol when she saw the plane. Snow mentioned it on-air, adding that a security guard told her it was responsible for the decision to evacuate the seat of government.[2] In his book Against All Enemies, counter-terrorism czar Richard A. Clark mentions that the decision to evacuate the White House was made after a warning from the Secret Service about the approach of an unidentified aircraft.[3] Was this the mystery plane? ABC, NBC and FOX News picked up the story on 9/11. CNN actually filmed the mysterious plane as it flew over the Capitol, but, unfortunately, it was too far away to identify.

more....

http://www.rense.com/general76/missing.htm

[JimKelly12203]

9/11 is the greatest crock in the history of this country. I'm so frustrated by the obvious and blatant factual errors in the "official" story that i don't even have the energy to type anything on the matter.

[uppy]

9/11 is the greatest crock in the history of this country. I'm so frustrated by the obvious and blatant factual errors in the "official" story that i don't even have the energy to type anything on the matter.


Do you belive the goverment had a hand in the attack Jim ?

[shiva2999]

Even more interesting is the C-130 that was in the air over the Pentagon when it was struck and then flew west and by the most amazing coincidence was in the air over Shanksville when FL93 "went down".

[uppy]

Have you seen this before ?

[Gibby]

Uh, sorry but I live about five miles from MCI (we call it KCI) and so I see lots of jet liners begin their final approaches to the airport and I have never seen one that was all white. Those photos of the plane over the capitol dome and downtown Washington look cropped and altered. I have never seen a plane look just like a white silhouette as depicted in those pictures. As for the pentagon plane, well I asked a few aviation profs and a few physics profs at my alma mater (they hold seminars each anniversary of that awful day) and their evidence supports the official and probable line of a plane flying into the pentagon and causing the exact damage it did. I am no expert on this but damn it I will trust someone with a PhD in Physics before I trust some moonbat with a plethora of blogs. Anyways the government story, except the its Clinton's fault and we didn't know, checks out. I guess I am a victim of Achem's razor but I refuse to believe a government that couldn't conceal it s wiretapping of private citizens, its secret EPW camps in Eastern Europe, and the Pat Tillman case to name a few could pull off a major coup like this. Sorry but too much had to go right for the government, if they had a plan, to go right.

[Gibby]

Even more interesting is the C-130 that was in the air over the Pentagon when it was struck and then flew west and by the most amazing coincidence was in the air over Shanksville when FL93 "went down".

Link?

[uppy]

Gibby,I understand what you are saying.....but for the first time I see

something I can't explain if true.

[Gibby]

Oh and for that "airplane" what is the blue in the silhouette? It looks very transparent and as for the three second clip, 1) that thing looks too far away for you to clearly ID what markings are on the plane and 2) Did you ever hear of stock footage? Yeah, documentary makers love using stock footage and I am willing to risk my reputation by saying that airplane is from bona fide footage, but bona fide footage from the 1980s. Its too grainy and too far away to distinguish any markings whatsoever and that might be a Pan Am plane in vintage footage.

[Gibby]

compare the pan am from above with grainy photo

[uppy]

Even if it was a set up like some think Pearl Harbor was,its a war that needs

to be won do you agree ?

[Green Lantern]

Gibby,I understand what you are saying.....but for the first time I see

something I can't explain if true.

Luke, come to the dark side...

[Gibby]

now compare this plane, an American Airlines 757, to the plane in post 10 and consider that if it was in the sun silver would be bleached white to the eye and camera lens, the tail config is right and the logo appears to be at the correct height. Also their appears to be a ribbon ad the appropriate level and the shape of the nose does not appear to be too different.

Sometimes as my old friend Sigmund Freud said "A cigar is just a cigar, or in this case a hijacked airliner is just a hijacked airliner"

[Gibby]

Gibby,I understand what you are saying.....but for the first time I see

something I can't explain if true.

Well nor can I but let me give you internet rule #1 if its from anything but .edu, .gov or .mil you are better off holding it suspect. Even if you have reason to suspect its accurate Trust but Verify.

[uppy]

Luke, come to the dark side...

Never, I will always fight for "truth justice and the Anerican way"


:)

[Gibby]

Even if you have reason to suspect its accurate Trust but Verify.

I believe one of your heroes said this.

[shiva2999]

Link?

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=aa77

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=ua93

[uppy]

Well nor can I but let me give you internet rule #1 if its from anything but .edu, .gov or .mil you are better off holding it suspect. Even if you have reason to suspect its accurate Trust but Verify.

I am putting the ball in conspiracy boys court

[35Pete]

Gibby.

Don't lend credence to this nonsense. It's the "lie told big enough, often enough" strategy.

There is more to it than supposedly "getting to the truth". The truth is not relevant. It's the effect of this big lie that is more important to them.

[Mouldsie]

Even if it was a set up like some think Pearl Harbor was,its a war that needs

to be won do you agree ?

there it is

[Mouldsie]

and gibby wth are you babbling about?

[35Pete]

You are such a little hard core liberal. LOL

[Mouldsie]

you can give me any label you like but believe it or not i'm more of a small government guy (which may be neo-liberal) and hold quite a few "conservative views"



i think it's telling what uppy said
i think gibby is trying too hard and not making sense

[35Pete]

you can give me any label you like but believe it or not i'm more of a small government guy (which may be neo-liberal) and hold quite a few "conservative views"



i think it's telling what uppy said
i think gibby is trying too hard and not making sense

I have yet to see one non-liberal view. And the snipping at Gibby here about a tale held dear by liberals is just so par for the course.

[Mouldsie]

You read selectively. I cant help that. That's not a personal jab, 99% of people are the same way. Some of us try to eliminate that more than others.


Gibby is arguing that X cant be A because X might be B among other things (or maybe X cant be A because I see Q and its never P!). How is pointing that out a liberal tale?
If logic is a liberal value then call me liberal.

[35Pete]

You read selectively. I cant help that. That's not a personal jab, 99% of people are the same way. Some of us try to eliminate that more than others.


Gibby is arguing that X cant be A because X might be B among other things (or maybe X cant be A because I see Q and its never P!). How is pointing that out a liberal tale?
If logic is a liberal value then call me liberal.

LOL. What, pray tell, what the **** is illogical about that? The word "can't" is an insertion here by you. He is demonstrating doubt. Big difference.

[Green Lantern]

Gibby.

Don't lend credence to this nonsense. It's the "lie told big enough, often enough" strategy.
There is more to it than supposedly "getting to the truth". The truth is not relevant. It's the effect of this big lie that is more important to them.

Hmmm...

Shiva uses this argument FOR the government being responisible for 9/11 and Pete uses it FOR Shiva making stuff up.

Decisions, decisions...

[JLB]

If logic is a liberal value then call me liberal.

Logic and liberal nobody would ever hook those 2 together.:D

[Green Lantern]

Logic and liberal nobody would ever hook those 2 together.:D

Pretty sure it was invented by liberals.

[JLB]

Pretty sure it was invented by liberals.

when they were conservative:D

[Green Lantern]

when they were conservative:D

You've got it backward. Liberals push for change and progress, conservatives fear the uncertainty of the future and push for the tried and the true. All progress depends on liberals, all tradition depends on the memory of conservatism.

We all have both aspects, one predominates.

"No idea is so antiquated that it was not once modern. No idea is so modern that it will not some day be antiquated."

-Ellen Glasgow

[JLB]

You've got it backward. Liberals push for change and progress, conservatives fear the uncertainty of the future and push for the tried and the true. All progress depends on liberals, all tradition depends on the memory of conservatism.

We all have both aspects, one predominates.

"No idea is so antiquated that it was not once modern. No idea is so modern that it will not some day be antiquated."

-Ellen Glasgow

Good try but i'll stick with measure twice cut once for now!!:D

[Gibby]

and gibby wth are you babbling about?

I am expressing doubt about that airplane picture being a military plane. I am saying the argument in this article is not supported by the airplane at the new angle because it is too far away for one to 100% identify it. The markings look like they could be an American Airlines plane and the shape of the plane looks like a Boeing 757 (I am sorry with your brilliance that you are ignorant enough to buy into this bullshit). The pics I posted look like that airplane and are to show that the pic of the plane at angle does not support the conspiracy nut argument.

As for the planes above the whitehouse and capitol building, why do they look hollow and more like ghostly apparitions than airplanes? They look cropped and phony. I've seen UFO pics that look more legit, but if you wish to give in to the forces of stupidity thats up to you.

[Green Lantern]

Good try but i'll stick with measure twice cut once for now!!:D

I know you would. That is why you are conservative.

BTW, I hate wasting wood. I measure twice too.

[JLB]

I know you would. That is why you are conservative.

BTW, I hate wasting wood. I measure twice too.

God Bless You!!

[Gibby]

You read selectively. I cant help that. That's not a personal jab, 99% of people are the same way. Some of us try to eliminate that more than others.


Gibby is arguing that X cant be A because X might be B among other things (or maybe X cant be A because I see Q and its never P!). How is pointing that out a liberal tale?
If logic is a liberal value then call me liberal.

LOL. What, pray tell, what the **** is illogical about that? The word "can't" is an insertion here by you. He is demonstrating doubt. Big difference.

Exactly, but ER is so damn brilliant , he says so himself, that he can't possibly be wrong here. I am not saying X is not A because it may be B as you claim sir, no I am arguing that X is probably not A because X sure as hell looks like it could very well be B. You are so into logical proofs that you lose the fact that sometimes reality isn't black and white clean cut logic. Anyway what is more logical for you to believe.

1) This administration which couldn't cover up plame gate, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, KGB prisons, Haliburton embezzlement, wiretaps, et al could make a plane disappear and get a military aircraft, which might be a helicopter, which also happens to be a missile (covering all ground here) to hit the Pentagon. If the government used four military aircraft don't you think there would be a leak. Come on man there are lots of military people who have shown great discontent to el presidente and they have come out against him. Remember the generals and white house staff who say Bush planned Iraq even before 9/11 don't you think something this devilish would be too damn hard to cover up? Also, if the planes were military what the **** happened to the passengers?

or

2) Using a flawed and extremely corrupt and tangled bureaucratic government against itself 19 men from Saudi Arabia got into this country and were able to get flight training because of governmental incompetence and were ultimately able to kill more than 3000 people because we had a BA which did absolutely nothing to act on intellegence and info received months and weeks before its attack (keep in mind that 2 is unforgivable and is prosecutable as criminal negligence)

[Green Lantern]

Same logic I use for the global warming conspiracy. Some scientist would have talked.

[Gibby]

Same logic I use for the global warming conspiracy. Some scientist would have talked.

who said GW conspiracy? I think global warming is happening, but man can't control it one way or another.

[K-Gun]

The main charge I see is that the government clearly could have shot down the plane over DC, and not only did it hit the Pentagon, but they lied about being able to shoot it down in the official story.

From there, all you have to look for is motive. Legally acquiring space weapons is the biggest motive for the military to attack its own country, if you ask me. We now have legal space weapons.

[Green Lantern]

who said GW conspiracy? I think global warming is happening, but man can't control it one way or another.

Not you. There are those on this board who claim global warming is a one-world government conspiracy. I say, some scientist would have talked.

[Green Lantern]

The main charge I see is that the government clearly could have shot down the plane over DC, and not only did it hit the Pentagon, but they lied about being able to shoot it down in the official story.

From there, all you have to look for is motive. Legally acquiring space weapons is the biggest motive for the military to attack its own country, if you ask me. We now have legal space weapons.

Did Bush walk away from the star wars treaty before 9/11?

[shiva2999]

The truth is not relevant.

It is to some of us.

I think your attitude on the subject is despicable Pete.

Much worse than Uppy's for example.

You treat 9/11 and the whole subject of "International Terrorism" as some big ****ing joke only worthy of stupid and hostile partisanship.

You have ZERO credibility on the subject.

If you ever want to be taken seriously on the subject, you have to show SOME shred of objectivity.

Blind homerism is boring and witless in the Hardcore forum and it's boring and witless here too.

Smarten up and do justice to that big brain you keep telling everyone you have.

[shiva2999]

Where's Osama?

Where's Al Zawahiri?

Where's Mullah Omar?

Where's the Anthrax guy?

Gimme a ****ing break.

It's as plain as the nose on your ****ing face.

But most of you don't want to face it because of what it says about YOU and what your bullshit has turned your country into.

The world's biggest protection racket.

[K-Gun]

Did Bush walk away from the star wars treaty before 9/11?

2 months after.

[Green Lantern]

2 months after.

Cool.

[JoeMama]

Where's Osama?

Where's Al Zawahiri?

Where's Mullah Omar?



Water under the bridge.

We already got the REAL architect behind 9-11.

Saddam Hussein.

[Gibby]

Water under the bridge.

We already got the REAL architect behind 9-11.

Saddam Hussein.

Oh dear God, Joe has become a republican. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mouldsie]

I am expressing doubt about that airplane picture being a military plane. I am saying the argument in this article is not supported by the airplane at the new angle because it is too far away for one to 100% identify it. The markings look like they could be an American Airlines plane and the shape of the plane looks like a Boeing 757 (I am sorry with your brilliance that you are ignorant enough to buy into this bullshit). The pics I posted look like that airplane and are to show that the pic of the plane at angle does not support the conspiracy nut argument.

As for the planes above the whitehouse and capitol building, why do they look hollow and more like ghostly apparitions than airplanes? They look cropped and phony. I've seen UFO pics that look more legit, but if you wish to give in to the forces of stupidity thats up to you.
address why it was there and why there is no info on it and the footage that used to exist disappeared
id like to know the real story

[Mouldsie]

Exactly, but ER is so damn brilliant , he says so himself, that he can't possibly be wrong here. I am not saying X is not A because it may be B as you claim sir, no I am arguing that X is probably not A because X sure as hell looks like it could very well be B. You are so into logical proofs that you lose the fact that sometimes reality isn't black and white clean cut logic. Anyway what is more logical for you to believe.

1) This administration which couldn't cover up plame gate, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, KGB prisons, Haliburton embezzlement, wiretaps, et al could make a plane disappear and get a military aircraft, which might be a helicopter, which also happens to be a missile (covering all ground here) to hit the Pentagon. If the government used four military aircraft don't you think there would be a leak. Come on man there are lots of military people who have shown great discontent to el presidente and they have come out against him. Remember the generals and white house staff who say Bush planned Iraq even before 9/11 don't you think something this devilish would be too damn hard to cover up? Also, if the planes were military what the **** happened to the passengers?

or

2) Using a flawed and extremely corrupt and tangled bureaucratic government against itself 19 men from Saudi Arabia got into this country and were able to get flight training because of governmental incompetence and were ultimately able to kill more than 3000 people because we had a BA which did absolutely nothing to act on intellegence and info received months and weeks before its attack (keep in mind that 2 is unforgivable and is prosecutable as criminal negligence)

Did I ever say 9/11 was committed by the gov't? I guess i made your arugment black and white and you are doing the same to me.

and yes i am brilliant, a piece of paper tells me so

[Green Lantern]

Did I ever say 9/11 was committed by the gov't?


Don't take it personal, you're just part of the amorphous "them". You all look alike to republicans.

[Gibby]

Did I ever say 9/11 was committed by the gov't? I guess i made your arugment black and white and you are doing the same to me.

and yes i am brilliant, a piece of paper tells me so

a piece of brown toilet paper? No sorry thats shit not a statement of profound intellect.

[Matt]

Did I ever say 9/11 was committed by the gov't? I guess i made your arugment black and white and you are doing the same to me.

and yes i am brilliant, a piece of paper tells me so

Play nice!

[Mouldsie]

a piece of brown toilet paper? No sorry thats shit not a statement of profound intellect.you have quite an imagination

[35Pete]

It is to some of us.

I think your attitude on the subject is despicable Pete.

Much worse than Uppy's for example.

You treat 9/11 and the whole subject of "International Terrorism" as some big ****ing joke only worthy of stupid and hostile partisanship.

You have ZERO credibility on the subject.

If you ever want to be taken seriously on the subject, you have to show SOME shred of objectivity.

Blind homerism is boring and witless in the Hardcore forum and it's boring and witless here too.

Smarten up and do justice to that big brain you keep telling everyone you have.
Hey. You are the guy that said an oxidizer was used in WTC. I showed that it needed to be several tons.

So who has ZERO credibility here? One theory after another. Toss them out, demand to have them proved wrong....Toss out another one. Keep going until something sticks.

[Ralonzo]

Never, I will always fight for "truth justice and the Anerican way"

Which is more than Superman is doing nowadays...

[35Pete]

Not you. There are those on this board who claim global warming is a one-world government conspiracy. I say, some scientist would have talked.

Hahaha.

Not if

a.) you are not aware of the conspiracy or...
b.) you are a willing participant, and ....
c.) there is a goldmine in global warming research.

Nice try. :)

[shiva2999]

Hey. You are the guy that said an oxidizer was used in WTC. I showed that it needed to be several tons.

You did no such thing.

And even if you did, so what?

Quit dancing Pete and try and exhibit a little intellectual honesty for a change.

It would do wonders for your reputation.

[JLB]

Which is more than Superman is doing nowadays...

Shot himself didn't he?

[uppy]

[QUOTE=shiva2999;1624590]You did no such thing.

And even if you did, so what?

Quit dancing Pete and try and exhibit a little intellectual honesty for a change.

It would do wonders for your reputation

Pete's rep is fine....don't let it keep you up at night.

[shiva2999]

Pete's rep is fine....

:rofl:

Where's Lucky? I smell road apples.

[JLB]

:rofl:

Where's Lucky? I smell road apples.

Things are goodhttp://www.thetechlounge.com/forum/images/smilies/more_smilies/horseshit.gifour work here is done lucky let's go!

[Maz]

This is from the Jeff Rense website I see.... I purchased a so-called "documentary" made by Jeff Rense a few years back and this guy is a TOTAL crack pot. He actually tries to make the connections between 9/11 and the "Skull and Bones"? He also stated that the airliner fired a missile into the tower and that planted explosives were in the building on his video. Does this look like just random observations turned into a hundred different theories to anyone else? I agree that the official story has got HUGE holes in it, but c’mon! I heard this guy say he thought "robotics" took over the plane and flew the plane into the buildings. This guy has all this UFO crap on his site to, are any of you REALLY thinking this goon is credible? Also, saying that it was a military plane pretty much eliminates the theory that the government did it to fcoax the American public into a war right? I mean honestly, if they wanted to get the American public all worked up and ready to fight you think they would use a military aircraft? REALLY, who has balls that big?

[shiva2999]

Consider who posted the link.

[Maz]

Consider who posted the link.

Yea, this is was REALLY puzzles me but it still doesn’t give Jeff Rense a lick of credibility if that is what you mean.... My freshman poli science teacher Dr. Christensen at NC Wesleyan was ALL about shoving Jeff Rense down our throats...