18.5 minutes equals 5 million emails

[nehemiah]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.

"I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters.

The administration was already facing sharp questions about whether top presidential advisers including Karl Rove improperly used Republican National Committee e-mail that the White House said later disappeared.

The latest comments were a response to a new report from a liberal watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), alleging that over a two-year period official White House e-mail traffic for hundreds of days has vanished -- in possible violation of the federal Presidential Records Act. (Watch CREW's comments on the missing messages )

"This story is really now a two-part issue," CREW's Melanie Sloan told CNN. "First there's the use of the RNC e-mail server that's inappropriate by White House officials and secondly we've also learned that there were between March of 2003 and October of 2005 apparently over 5 million e-mail that were not preserved and these are e-mail on the regular White House server."

Perino stressed there's no indication the e-mails were intentionally lost, but she was careful not to dispute the outside group's allegations. "I'm not taking issue with their conclusions at this point," Perino said. "We're checking into them. There are 1,700 people in the Executive Office of the President."

White House: 'We screwed up'
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html


this is beyond impeachable.

[TheCrystalBall]

Damn...that's terrible...and how could you POSSIBLY not know for two years?

[Meathead]

apparently over 5 million e-mail that were not preserved and these are e-mail on the regular White House server.
i think it was on cnn yesterday that i heard there were laws put into place after the nixon fiasco that specifically required the wh to record all its correspondance. they were put into place for just this exact type of situation

so that would make at a minimum TWO serious situations now where the wh just completely disregarded existing laws. for now you could say maybe MAYBE this one was just pure unintentional incompetance, as opposed to the secret wiretapping which was completely intentional, but at least we must consider it part of a pattern

this is beyond impeachable.
will the public view this as intentionally erasing tapes?

has the impeachment fatigue threshold finally been breached?

can we signal the offical death of the mind ray for good?

stay tuned for our next exciting bat episode

[JLB]

this is beyond impeachable.

This could almost rise to the level of.

http://www.shieldsnet.org/images/strange/sandy_burger_bill_clinton_hug.jpg

SANDY BURGLER!! OH NO!!

[35Pete]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.

"I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters.

The administration was already facing sharp questions about whether top presidential advisers including Karl Rove improperly used Republican National Committee e-mail that the White House said later disappeared.

The latest comments were a response to a new report from a liberal watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), alleging that over a two-year period official White House e-mail traffic for hundreds of days has vanished -- in possible violation of the federal Presidential Records Act. (Watch CREW's comments on the missing messages )

"This story is really now a two-part issue," CREW's Melanie Sloan told CNN. "First there's the use of the RNC e-mail server that's inappropriate by White House officials and secondly we've also learned that there were between March of 2003 and October of 2005 apparently over 5 million e-mail that were not preserved and these are e-mail on the regular White House server."

Perino stressed there's no indication the e-mails were intentionally lost, but she was careful not to dispute the outside group's allegations. "I'm not taking issue with their conclusions at this point," Perino said. "We're checking into them. There are 1,700 people in the Executive Office of the President."

White House: 'We screwed up'
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html


this is beyond impeachable.
Know what really sucks? We can't seem to have a single damn president that doesn't pull this crap. Clinton with the FBI files, Bush with the email crap.

[TheCrystalBall]

Know what really sucks? We can't seem to have a single damn president that doesn't pull this crap. Clinton with the FBI files, Bush with the email crap.

Besides an obvious attempt to obscure the topic at hand, what does Clinton have to do with this?

[JoeMama]

I don't really care about Attorney Gate.

Of everything the Bush Administration has ****ed up, this has to be the least significant.

If the Democrats spent as much time and energy fact checking Bush's WMD claims as Attorney Gate, we wouldn't be at war right now.

[notacon]

Know what really sucks? We can't seem to have a single damn president that doesn't pull this crap. Clinton with the FBI files, Bush with the email crap.

BULLSHIT!!!

The "FBI Files" garbage was made up by the lying bunch of witch hunters...the GOP.

There is NO SIMILARITY!!!!

Bush and his cronies have deliberately used GOP e-mail accounts to avoid laws that REQUIRE ALL WH business to be done on official WH e-mail accounts...which is in and of itself a violation of federal law...and then they destroy e-mails anyway...which is another direct violation of the law.

Trying to say that "all presidents" do this is absurd.

Right wingers only have one response when their own are caught with their dicks in the zipper..."Clinton did it too".

What a bunch of revisionist garbage!!

[JLB]

This could almost rise to the level of.

http://www.shieldsnet.org/images/strange/sandy_burger_bill_clinton_hug.jpg

SANDY BURGLER!! OH NO!!

Sandy you sneak in get the documents and I mean all of them.
You stickem up your ass if you have to now get in there.

[Green Lantern]

Sandy you sneak in get the documents and I mean all of them.
You stickem up your ass if you have to now get in there.

i guess this makes everything else alright then.

[JLB]

i guess this makes everything else alright then.


Sandy still goes unpunished.
I call that a double standard.

[Green Lantern]

Sandy still goes unpunished.
I call that a double standard.

What's the remedy, in your view? Let the current administration have a pass since a former administration got away with stuff?

I do not understand why you post this pic. as a response to current wrong-doing.

[35Pete]

BULLSHIT!!!

The "FBI Files" garbage was made up by the lying bunch of witch hunters...the GOP.

There is NO SIMILARITY!!!!

Bush and his cronies have deliberately used GOP e-mail accounts to avoid laws that REQUIRE ALL WH business to be done on official WH e-mail accounts...which is in and of itself a violation of federal law...and then they destroy e-mails anyway...which is another direct violation of the law.

Trying to say that "all presidents" do this is absurd.

Right wingers only have one response when their own are caught with their dicks in the zipper..."Clinton did it too".

What a bunch of revisionist garbage!!

Of course not. Democratic presidents have been, and will always be, pure as the driven snow. Only Republicans engage in malfeasance in office:

Only the small number of Republicans were guilty in Ab-Scam. The dems were framed.
Dan Rostenkowski was innocent.
Whitewater was no big deal
FDR didn't bait the Japanese into attacking us.
The FBi file scandal was bullshit.

You are as usual, acting like political hack. Stubborn. Do the honorable thing and quit pimping for the party.

[Meathead]

Bush and his cronies have deliberately used GOP e-mail accounts to avoid laws that REQUIRE ALL WH business to be done on official WH e-mail accounts...which is in and of itself a violation of federal law...and then they destroy e-mails anyway...which is another direct violation of the law.
i have to agree

to me this is potentially far bigger than the lawyergate thing itself. these are clear laws put in place to protect our country and its unconscionable that someone would think its unimportant

was there some underlying impropriety going on? i dont know, but you dont get to just ignore existing laws. its not like these are obscure hard-to-understand requirements, these are clear boundaries that are being broken

i can go to just about any business in america and get emails from three years ago easy. in fact its so easy that you have to think either the people involved are grossly incompetant boobs or theres something intentional going on

if we dont require our executive branch to obey laws we are leaving the back door wide open for exploitation and that absolutely threatens our country

for the life of me i cant figure out why more people are not very concerned about this pattern

[nehemiah]

republicans are stupid.

good lord.

[JLB]

republicans are smarter than me.

good lord.

Bump the great post!http://www.thetechlounge.com/forum/images/smilies/more_smilies/horseshit.gif

[35Pete]

Besides an obvious attempt to obscure the topic at hand, what does Clinton have to do with this?

Focus Chimp. Focus.

Keep your eye on the big picture.

If Bush is guilty then he should hang. But neither party should be trusted. Period.

[notacon]

Of course not. Democratic presidents have been, and will always be, pure as the driven snow. Only Republicans engage in malfeasance in office:

Only the small number of Republicans were guilty in Ab-Scam. The dems were framed.
Dan Rostenkowski was innocent.
Whitewater was no big deal
FDR didn't bait the Japanese into attacking us.
The FBi file scandal was bullshit.

You are as usual, acting like political hack. Stubborn. Do the honorable thing and quit pimping for the party.

Sorry Pete, but it is you that comes off as the political hack pimping for the GOP.

I never said that the Democrats were "pure as driven snow"...you are the only one that has said that.

In this case there is NO COMPARISON to what Bush's lackeys have done with millions of e-mails...NONE to what ANY administration has EVER done.

The FBI Files flap during the Clinton years was absolutely NOTHING...pure political witch hunt by the GOP. It was investigated to the nth degree...NOTHING THERE.

The Whitewater flap was absolutely NOTHING...pure political witch hunt by the GOP. It was investigated to the nth degree...NOTHING THERE.

Rostenkowski was a crook.

The Abscam snared members from both parties.

You forgot the check kiting scandal that since the Dems were in power was theirs.

FDR may have baited the Japs into war....but that was inevitable. It was not a scandal or an abuse of power. FDR may have told a fib or two during WWII...but it was NOTHING like what Bush has done in Iraq.

Iraq was/is a concerted and deliberate attempt to lie, mislead and exaggerate the capabilities of a very weak nation so as to conjure up it being a threat to the country so we could attack them.

WWII involved REAL threats from powerful enemies.

Your constant attempt to paint both parties into the same evil on every issue is absurd.

Some times the Dems are unethical and sometimes the GOP is. Sometimes one party is so over the top bad and break laws repeatedly that they have to be exposed for what they are...power hungry and corrupt crooks.

Bush has repeatedly shown to be more of a crook than ANY PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY!!!

Your may want to diminish the severity of his corruption...but that does not ring true.

Sometimes one party is so completely corrupt that they have to be exposed as such...the GOP of the last 10 years was one such party.

Try and play the "they all do it card" if you wish...it just makes YOU look like the political partisan hack trying to cover for one party over another.

[Green Lantern]

"You can't erase emails, not today," Mr Leahy thundered from the Senate floor. They've gone through too many servers. The emails are there, they just don't want to produce them. It's like the infamous 18-minute gap in the Nixon White House tapes."

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2447813.ece

[Gilly]

Do to your blinding hatred of Bush, you on the left are now running into a chicken little complex. You guys rant and moan everyday about such little stupid stuff that if some thing major is revealed its lost among all the pages and pages of left wing blog bs.
I don't know what the law is regarding emails. (only Clinton and Bush Jr has dealt with them) If they are supposed to be saved and are now gone then there is a problem that needs to be resolved. It does disturb me that this is came out due to another Libby type witchhunt. (a crime is produced during an investigation of a non crime, DA bs)
The email thing needs to be resolved. It would be a bigger and more important issue if it wasn't preceded by 257 other investigations.
Maybe the tale of the boy who cried wolf is a better analogy.

[JLB]

"You can't erase emails, not today," Mr Leahy thundered from the Senate floor. They've gone through too many servers. The emails are there, they just don't want to produce them. It's like the infamous 18-minute gap in the Nixon White House tapes."

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2447813.ece

Stop the nonsense Mr. Burger

[35Pete]

Sorry Pete, but it is you that comes off as the political hack pimping for the GOP.

I never said that the Democrats were "pure as driven snow"...you are the only one that has said that.

In this case there is NO COMPARISON to what Bush's lackeys have done with millions of e-mails...NONE to what ANY administration has EVER done.

The FBI Files flap during the Clinton years was absolutely NOTHING...pure political witch hunt by the GOP. It was investigated to the nth degree...NOTHING THERE.

The Whitewater flap was absolutely NOTHING...pure political witch hunt by the GOP. It was investigated to the nth degree...NOTHING THERE.

Rostenkowski was a crook.

The Abscam snared members from both parties.

You forgot the check kiting scandal that since the Dems were in power was theirs.

FDR may have baited the Japs into war....but that was inevitable. It was not a scandal or an abuse of power. FDR may have told a fib or two during WWII...but it was NOTHING like what Bush has done in Iraq.

Iraq was/is a concerted and deliberate attempt to lie, mislead and exaggerate the capabilities of a very weak nation so as to conjure up it being a threat to the country so we could attack them.

WWII involved REAL threats from powerful enemies.

Your constant attempt to paint both parties into the same evil on every issue is absurd.

Some times the Dems are unethical and sometimes the GOP is. Sometimes one party is so over the top bad and break laws repeatedly that they have to be exposed for what they are...power hungry and corrupt crooks.

Bush has repeatedly shown to be more of a crook than ANY PRESIDENT IN US HISTORY!!!

Your may want to diminish the severity of his corruption...but that does not ring true.

Sometimes one party is so completely corrupt that they have to be exposed as such...the GOP of the last 10 years was one such party.

Try and play the "they all do it card" if you wish...it just makes YOU look like the political partisan hack trying to cover for one party over another.

Ohh. au contraire. When a dem is accused you knee-jerk right into spin mode.

Here's the point:

The most corrupt president in history is Nixon, a republican.

The second most corrupt is tough. Could be Bush, another Republican. More likely FDR. He lied to get us into WWII and we lost 100 x's more soldiers than this one. The "morality" of the war matters not. Lied or didn't lie.

So. Here's the difference between you and I. I am willing to admit that either a rep or a dem is corrupt as hell. I don't care because I am not married to a party like you are. I think they are all corrupt as hell. That's the difference. I won't prostitute my integrity for a party.

Now go the other thread and laughably defend how Gore created the internet.

Your party needs you.

[Green Lantern]

Ohh. au contraire. When a dem is accused you knee-jerk right into spin mode.

Here's the point:

The most corrupt president in history is Nixon, a republican.

The second most corrupt is tough. Could be Bush, another Republican. More likely FDR. He lied to get us into WWII and we lost 100 x's more soldiers than this one. The "morality" of the war matters not. Lied or didn't lie.

So. Here's the difference between you and I. I am willing to admit that either a rep or a dem is corrupt as hell. I don't care because I am not married to a party like you are. I think they are all corrupt as hell. That's the difference. I won't prostitute my integrity for a party.

Now go the other thread and laughably defend how Gore created the internet.

Your party needs you.


Your achilles heel.

[TheCrystalBall]

Focus Chimp. Focus.

Keep your eye on the big picture.

If Bush is guilty then he should hang. But neither party should be trusted. Period.

Like you would know what the big picture is...I have no freakin clue what the stupid post above is about.

[TheCrystalBall]

Do to your blinding hatred of Bush, you on the left are now running into a chicken little complex. You guys rant and moan everyday about such little stupid stuff that if some thing major is revealed its lost among all the pages and pages of left wing blog bs.
I don't know what the law is regarding emails. (only Clinton and Bush Jr has dealt with them) If they are supposed to be saved and are now gone then there is a problem that needs to be resolved. It does disturb me that this is came out due to another Libby type witchhunt. (a crime is produced during an investigation of a non crime, DA bs)
The email thing needs to be resolved. It would be a bigger and more important issue if it wasn't preceded by 257 other investigations.
Maybe the tale of the boy who cried wolf is a better analogy.

...says the guy who had a breakdown last week and said he wasn't going to post in this forum anymore.

[TheCrystalBall]

Ohh. au contraire. When a dem is accused you knee-jerk right into spin mode.

Here's the point:

The most corrupt president in history is Nixon, a republican.

The second most corrupt is tough. Could be Bush, another Republican. More likely FDR. He lied to get us into WWII and we lost 100 x's more soldiers than this one. The "morality" of the war matters not. Lied or didn't lie.

So. Here's the difference between you and I. I am willing to admit that either a rep or a dem is corrupt as hell. I don't care because I am not married to a party like you are. I think they are all corrupt as hell. That's the difference. I won't prostitute my integrity for a party.

Now go the other thread and laughably defend how Gore created the internet.

Your party needs you.

Is there a point in the above idiotic post that actually deals with the topic at hand?

[sukie]

Chimp should have to relinquish his 3 chips for the above idiocy posted three times in 3 different ways.

[TheCrystalBall]

Chimp should have to relinquish his 3 chips for the above idiocy posted three times in 3 different ways.

What does it have to do with the topic of 5 million missing emails?

Got an answer?

[sukie]

Step off topic once in any thread and see what happens... Chimpy cimps in with posts only understandable by lower primates.

[TheCrystalBall]

Step off topic once in any thread and see what happens... Chimpy cimps in with posts only understandable by lower primates.

What does it have to do with the topic of 5 million missing emails?

Got an answer?

[sukie]

Stop whoring

[TheCrystalBall]

Stop whoring

Stop acting like a retard and tell us what it has to do with the topic of 5 million missing emails?

Got an answer?

[sukie]

Pete's response to an exchange? It doesn't have to do with the topic.

[TheCrystalBall]

Pete's response to an exchange? It doesn't have to do with the topic.

Pete's response has nothing to do with anything and especially not the topic at hand - which is the 5 million missing emails.

Were they deilberately deleted or not?
And how did this ensue for two years unnoticed?
Are they going to be able to recovered
Was a law broken?
Why weren't they being stored as per the law states?

Those are examples of focused questions.

[sukie]

I think it was Windows Vista.

[TheCrystalBall]

I think it was Windows Vista.

Who are you answering here?

[sukie]

They converted from Lotus Notes to Windows Outlook. There's the problem.

[TheCrystalBall]

They converted from Lotus Notes to Windows Outlook. There's the problem.


When?

[sukie]

Between 2002 and 2003

[TheCrystalBall]

Between 2002 and 2003


And how did they lose it exactly sukie? Do you know what 'they' said?

[sukie]

Tech glitch during Lotus to Windows Outlook conversion

[TheCrystalBall]

Tech glitch during Lotus to Windows Outlook conversion

What kind of tech glitch?

[sukie]

I'm not an IT guy. Pay sucks
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003010.php

[TheCrystalBall]

I'm not an IT guy. Pay sucks
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003010.php

Ok I read it.

Perino claims that it 'might' have been a conversion but she's not sure.

Basically, no one (on the range and at the WH if we take them at their word) knows at this point.

[Gilly]

...says the guy who had a breakdown last week and said he wasn't going to post in this forum anymore.

no breakdown, just got pissed when instead of debating my points you and shiv whine 25 times to the mods the edit my thread (you couldnt respond with left wing blog bs so you had a mod edit my thread instead) again with the above reply you didnt respond to my post but changed the topic. i m your worst nightmare shep, i see thru and know where you get your left wing material so you are not "all that" to me.

[shiva2999]

no breakdown, just got pissed when instead of debating my points you and shiv whine 25 times to the mods the edit my thread (you couldnt respond with left wing blog bs so you had a mod edit my thread instead)...

Huh?

Do you have a basis for this accusation or is it just something you feel in your gut?

For your information, I've NEVER complained to the mods about a post or a poster. EVER. I fight my own battles.

I suggest you fight yours without whining about things that aren't true.

[TheCrystalBall]

no breakdown, just got pissed when instead of debating my points you and shiv whine 25 times to the mods the edit my thread (you couldnt respond with left wing blog bs so you had a mod edit my thread instead) again with the above reply you didnt respond to my post but changed the topic. i m your worst nightmare shep, i see thru and know where you get your left wing material so you are not "all that" to me.

And what was your point/ post about gilly?