CBS Fires Imus

[JLB]

Opinion?

[JLB]

He's out all together no more 2 week suspension.

[shiva2999]

The dumb **** should just retire.

I trust Howard Stern's judgement and he always hated Imus.

[ticatfan3]

And probably soon to be on satelite radio making even more money.

[shiva2999]

And probably soon to be on satelite radio making even more money.

Maybe, maybe not.

Who cares. He's a waste of space.

[ticatfan3]

Maybe, maybe not.

Who cares. He's a waste of space.Thats twice now I had to agree with you, really I have never watched the guy.

[nehemiah]

:rofl:

[JerseyBillsFan]

He's the weakest link. Buh-bye.:n4clapping:

[JLB]

Al Sharpton just said it's time to go after the rappers.

Jay Zee that's you buddy!

[JoeMama]

Feigned outrage is apparently a powerful thing.

[nehemiah]

racism is bad for ratings.

so he takes a hike.

[Meathead]

this is kinda crazy

again, you want to fire imus fine. and i could give a damn about imus actually, i dont hardly even pay attention to him

but to make this a racial issue regarding him is rediculous. its window dressing, its a deflection, its a catharsis. its addressing the symptom not the disease

'oh nice. we got imus fired! woo hoo! we win people!'

bull. you did virtually nothing. the only thing you may have accomplished is to get raw nightclub humor out of the morning broadcast, and im fine with that. but to think you did anything to promote the reduction in racism is fooling yourselves

go ahead and punish imus. but the message should be you need to be careful about your venue not that this is an example of racism. it wasnt and it isnt and to make it so is just delaying the progress that is just waiting there for us to make

i cant help but go back to the classic example i use all the time where about a decade ago a high level political aide who was active in promoting civil rights was forced to resign because he used the term 'ni@@ardly'. look it up, the word has zero to do with race, its a coincidence that it sounds like the bad word. but he got hounded until he stepped down from the pressure. and oh yeah he was lily white. now thats some ***ked up shit right there

this situation just looks like a more advanced, more subtle version of that event. its projecting racism where it doesnt exist. its stupid and it harms our cause

like ive said, maybe this mistake will help us become more descerning. but right now it looks like we are moving away from that lesson instead of toward it

[JLB]

racism is bad for ratings.

so he takes a hike.

His producers should have called him out long ago.

[JerseyBillsFan]

His producers should have called him out long ago.
Sh_t one of hs show's executive producer is Bernard McGuirk. He's about 10 times worse than Imus could ever be.

[Matt]

Cool. At least they had the decency to wait until after his radiothon.

And now Al Sharpton can look for another ambulance to chase. If anyone thinks Sharpton and Jackson are going to put any sort of serious pressure on the record companies and the rap community, they're imagining things. These guys aren't in it for the long hall, because the long hall isn't where the dollar is. Ask those involved in the Duke situation. Ask those involved in the Terry Schiavo case.

It's equally frustrating that there is a sector of the world that has been able to turn the very idea of racism into a living.

Maher made a good point the other night: If Don Imus' words are the biggest problem the civil rights movement have to face, they're a lot better off then we all thought. Because the assumption is that there are bigger (less lucrative) fish to fry.

[Sparx]

racism is bad for ratings.

so he takes a hike.

Not for Sharpton. He's as big of a douche as imus.

[JLB]

Sh_t one of hs show's executive producer is Bernard McGuirk. He's about 10 times worse than Imus could ever be.

Well the hammer should come down anyway.

[JerseyBillsFan]

Cool. At least they had the decency to wait until after his radiothon.

And now Al Sharpton can look for another ambulance to chase. If anyone thinks Sharpton and Jackson are going to put any sort of serious pressure on the record companies and the rap community, they're imagining things. These guys aren't in it for the long hall, because the long hall isn't where the dollar is. Ask those involved in the Duke situation. Ask those involved in the Terry Schiavo case.

It's equally frustrating that there is a sector of the world that has been able to turn the very idea of racism into a living.

Maher made a good point the other night: If Don Imus' words are the biggest problem the civil rights movement have to face, they're a lot better off then we all thought. Because the assumption is that there are bigger (less lucrative) fish to fry.Does it matter what the cause. It's obvious certain people don't want people speaking out and saying they won't stand for the same crap anymore.

So tell me this since a lot of a certain leaning are trying to make this all about Sharpton and Jackson; who would they have rather seen lead the move to get Imus disciplined?
Of course I suspect that they really would have preferred to not have anyone stand up and say hell no. Just sweep it under the rug.

And while I'm at it what are these bigger fish in your estimation?

[Matt]

Does it matter what the cause. It's obvious certain people don't want people speaking out and saying they won't stand for the same crap anymore.

So tell me this since a lot of a certain leaning are trying to make this all about Sharpton and Jackson; who would they have rather seen lead the move to get Imus disciplined?
Of course I suspect that they really would have preferred to not have anyone stand up and say hell no. Just sweep it under the rug.

And while I'm at it what are these bigger fish in your estimation?

I would have preferred media members such as Claire Smith, Shaun Powell, Eugene Robinson and Mike Barnicle to take a leading foot in addressing the issue. They have offered educated, fair, honest and alternative opinions on the situation. Some of which I don't personally agree with, but at least view as fair.

I would have preferred media figures such as James Carville, Reverend DeForest Soaries, Harold Ford, Tim Russert, Barack Obama -- even comedian Patrice O'Neal to be leaders in resolving the issue. Obama and Soaries went so far as to call for Imus' firing, something I disagreed with, but unlike the Sharptons and Jacksons, they provided rational, reasonable, honest and objective reasons for their feelings. They did not give short-sighted, uneducated proclamations of revenge.

I don't think it is beneficial for Jackson, Sharpton, or Marc Lamont Hill to lead or encourage any sort of political change in this country. The effect they have is as destructive as it is beneficial, it is often clouded by a stigma of greed and hate, the perception is often that they are hypocritical and that if not for the money, they would not follow through with any of their protests.

But I am not sure if you really wanted my answer, or if you just wanted to state your assumption.

I am not a conservative. Don Imus isn't a conservative. This situation has been vigorously painted with a very broad brush -- the wrong types of people are making money off of this, and the ultimate purpose of good that can come out of it, the effects of racism and the ability to educate ourselves on it will be lost in favor of the bickering and bitching. And the issue will fade, and people like shiva, or chucky who feel compelled to do nothing but hand out vengeance in every circumstance and give Imus "what the old jackass deserved" will feel justified. And life will go on, and we will have learned nothing. Until it happens the next time.

[unklechucky]

I would have preferred media members such as Claire Smith, Shaun Powell, Eugene Robinson and Mike Barnicle to take a leading foot in addressing the issue. They have offered educated, fair, honest and alternative opinions on the situation. Some of which I don't personally agree with, but at least view as fair.

I would have preferred media figures such as James Carville, Reverend DeForest Soaries, Harold Ford, Tim Russert, Barack Obama -- even comedian Patrice O'Neal to be leaders in resolving the issue. Obama and Soaries went so far as to call for Imus' firing, something I disagreed with, but unlike the Sharptons and Jacksons, they provided rational, reasonable, honest and objective reasons for their feelings. They did not give short-sighted, uneducated proclamations of revenge.

I don't think it is beneficial for Jackson, Sharpton, or Marc Lamont Hill to lead or encourage any sort of political change in this country. The effect they have is as destructive as it is beneficial, it is often clouded by a stigma of greed and hate, the perception is often that they are hypocritical and that if not for the money, they would not follow through with any of their protests.

But I am not sure if you really wanted my answer, or if you just wanted to state your assumption.

I am not a conservative. Don Imus isn't a conservative. This situation has been vigorously painted with a very broad brush -- the wrong types of people are making money off of this, and the ultimate purpose of good that can come out of it, the effects of racism and the ability to educate ourselves on it will be lost in favor of the bickering and bitching. And the issue will fade, and people like shiva, or chucky who feel compelled to do nothing but hand out vengeance in every circumstance and give Imus "what the old jackass deserved" will feel justified. And life will go on, and we will have learned nothing. Until it happens the next time.

Please get over Imus and yourself already. The sponsors and media execs are not wrong here.

[Matt]

Please get over Imus and yourself already. The sponsors and media execs are not wrong here.

A dissenting opinion is not something to be ashamed of.

[ckg68]

Al Sharpton just said it's time to go after the rappers.

Jay Zee that's you buddy!

Wrong move,IMO:

http://www.hoffmania.com/blog/2007/04/here_we_go.html

[Matt]

Wrong move,IMO:

http://www.hoffmania.com/blog/2007/04/here_we_go.html

That article seems fair enough. I want to point out though to people like chucky, that before you go agreeing with it that you can't use the excuse that radio and television are "ever-present and extremely accessible" and then say it's no big deal because nobody listened to or watched Imus anyway.

Just because that will be someone's silly response.

[Matt]

Yes, he went too far, and for no reason
26%
No, the comment wasn't that big a deal
23%
The suspension was deserved, but firing him is an overreaction
51%

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[C Darwin]

So tell me this since a lot of a certain leaning are trying to make this all about Sharpton and Jackson; who would they have rather seen lead the move to get Imus disciplined?

Anyone besides Al “Tawana Brawley” Sharpton and Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson. I trust Thomas Sowell.

[shiva2999]

...And the issue will fade, and people like shiva, or chucky who feel compelled to do nothing but hand out vengeance in every circumstance and give Imus "what the old jackass deserved" will feel justified.

Strangely enough, my angry little pal, I haven't called for Don Imus to be fired. Check my posts if you want.

What I have said is I don't like Don Imus, I don't like his sense of humor, I don't like his retarded centrist politics, and his calling a bunch of innocent young black girls, none of who have done ANYTHING bad to Don Imus or society, nappy headed WHORES, makes him a racist and a bully and a ********.

But if he kept his job, I could care less.

There are much BIGGER ass holes in your country to worry about.

[Matt]

Strangely enough, my angry little pal, I haven't called for Don Imus to be fired. Check my posts if you want.

What I have said is I don't like Don Imus, I don't like his sense of humor, I don't like his retarded centrist politics, and his calling a bunch of innocent young black girls, none of who have done ANYTHING bad to Don Imus or society, nappy headed WHORES, makes him a racist and a bully and a ********.

But if he kept his job, I could care less.

There are much BIGGER ass holes in your country to worry about.

Do not call me little. I am not angry. I am just defending my point of view.

He didn't say whores.

It doesn't make him a racist, just as all of your cute, disrespectful little quips somehow don't make you a egomaniac.

But I agree with your last sentence.

[г]

He didn't say whores.

What does the word 'ho' mean to you ?

[pmoon6]

Shiva's right. I don't like Don Imus either, but I did what I always do with TV or radio personalities I don't like, I don't tune in.

As far as Sharpton and Jackson go, I like to hear them speak. I get a good laugh 50% of the time.

[shiva2999]

He didn't say whores.

Huh?

WTF do you think a ho is?

Are you REALLY that clueless?

[Matt]

Huh?

WTF do you think a ho is?

Are you REALLY that clueless?

Groan.

No, I was just saying he didn't say the word whore.

[Matt]

What does the word 'ho' mean to you ?

shiva didn't type 'ho', now did he?

[shiva2999]

Pathetic.

[bozman949]

It is a sad day in America when free speech has to bow to "hurting people's feelings".

Since when did Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton become the offensive comment police? Also, why are the honorable Reverands not practicing the Christain mantra of forgiveness?

This is a slippery slope, there is a big difference between Janet Jackson's boob on regular TV (a FCC violation) and offending people with a racial slur - which it's debatable whether or not "Nappy Headed Ho" is indeed a racial slur. One is a violation of FCC laws the other is a judgment call - but who's judgment are we going to subject ourselves to? Al Sharpton's?!?!?!?!

I'm a little worried that Imus is the 1st in line of the coming witch hunt - next to fall will be guys like Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony etc etc etc

[Darksyde]

Ask the duke boys what those jerkoff Shaprton and Jackson had to say about them. They deserve a apology as well. There's a huge dbl standard in this country. Was all of this really needed? Does the term "nappy headed hoes" cause so much turmoil that it had to be on every god damn new station for days? Grow a thicker skin for christsake. This long-haired honky cracker is gonna go kick something now.

[C Darwin]

Ask the duke boys what those jerkoff Shaprton and Jackson had to say about them. They deserve a apology as well. There's a huge dbl standard in this country. Was all of this really needed? Does the term "nappy headed hoes" cause so much turmoil that it had to be on every god damn new station for days? Grow a thicker skin for christsake. This long-haired honky cracker is gonna go kick something now.

It’s important to understand that this is a media sensation. The Rutgers girls are just pawns in this game of double standard censorship. If you want to know who is causing this sensation, ask who is controlling the media.

[unklechucky]

That article seems fair enough. I want to point out though to people like chucky, that before you go agreeing with it that you can't use the excuse that radio and television are "ever-present and extremely accessible" and then say it's no big deal because nobody listened to or watched Imus anyway.

Just because that will be someone's silly response.

Oh please. You are insulting my intelligence. He's an underachieving loudmouth 30+ years past his prime, with a history of rascism. If this was his first slip of tounge....do you think that there would be 1/2 as much of a commotion? Repeat offender, he had it coming.

[gilchristfan]

It is a sad day in America when free speech has to bow to "hurting people's feelings".

Since when did Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton become the offensive comment police? Also, why are the honorable Reverands not practicing the Christain mantra of forgiveness?

This is a slippery slope, there is a big difference between Janet Jackson's boob on regular TV (a FCC violation) and offending people with a racial slur - which it's debatable whether or not "Nappy Headed Ho" is indeed a racial slur. One is a violation of FCC laws the other is a judgment call - but who's judgment are we going to subject ourselves to? Al Sharpton's?!?!?!?!

I'm a little worried that Imus is the 1st in line of the coming witch hunt - next to fall will be guys like Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony etc etc etc

The FCC didn't fire him, MSNBC and CBS did, or more accurately, their advertisers did. If you really think it was merely the opinions of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that caused GM, Bank of America, et al. to pull their ads...well..

The people you've listed made a pretty good living by having acid tongues. They've found a good niche, people listen, and companies are willing to pay for ads on their show.

Pure capitalism.

And when they go too far, and people find them offensive, they stop listening and companies pull their ads.

Again, pure capitalism.

The Dixie Chicks make a comment about George Bush, radio stations fear repurcussions from their listeners, and stop playing their songs. Record sales drop.

Eventually, the Dixie Chicks find people who like what they said, and develop a new market.

Again, pure capitalism.

Free speech doesn't factor into it. Free market does.

[Meathead]

just as all of your cute, disrespectful little quips somehow don't make you a egomaniac.
lets not get carried away here

[Meathead]

with a history of rascism
does he actually? i dont know

not that i would automatically condemn somebody with a past cuz people can change but if i knew about racist statements in the past it would help me determine his intent this time around

in my limited experience with him ive attributed his comments to simple racial humor which i like as opposed to real racism which i abhor

so if anybody has and specific comments on his alleged past descretions i would appreciate it

[sukie]

Who gives a shit... He got fired... Big freaking whipdeedoo

[ckg68]

In regards to Imus....

If this was his first slip of tounge....do you think that there would be 1/2 as much of a commotion? Repeat offender, he had it coming.

And so do a lot of others....if I had to name 'em all,this topic would be 12 pages long and I'd probably bore you to tears.

[JoeMama]

I still don't think the punishment fits the crime for Don Imus.

An uncomfortable, one-second soundbyte uttered in jest shouldn't constitute termination.

I understand that MSNBC and CBS lost some advertisers. However, according to the news this morning, the projected losses didn't represent a large enough hit to render the show unprofitable.

It was also reported that MSNBC released it's decision to drop the show only hours after a personal meeting with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson - where they threatened to stage a protest outside Imus' studio if the talk show host was not fired.

So make what you want out of that.

Really, my main problem is that now I have to watch something even shittier than Imus in the morning while I get ready for work. Fox & Friends. Which sucks.

[TRIPLE P]

It is a sad day in America when free speech has to bow to "hurting people's feelings".

Since when did Rev. Jesse Jackson and Rev. Al Sharpton become the offensive comment police? Also, why are the honorable Reverands not practicing the Christain mantra of forgiveness?

This is a slippery slope, there is a big difference between Janet Jackson's boob on regular TV (a FCC violation) and offending people with a racial slur - which it's debatable whether or not "Nappy Headed Ho" is indeed a racial slur. One is a violation of FCC laws the other is a judgment call - but who's judgment are we going to subject ourselves to? Al Sharpton's?!?!?!?!

I'm a little worried that Imus is the 1st in line of the coming witch hunt - next to fall will be guys like Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony etc etc etc


Stern won't get fired.

[ckg68]

And for that matter,neither will Opie and Anthony. Like Stern,they're on satellite. (Disregard their "safe for radio" show,which is edited down quite a bit.)

Hannity,though his views on issues make him a contender for "The Biggest Douche in the Universe",should be safe too.

Limbaugh and Savage should start worrying now.

[JLB]

Who gives a shit... He got fired... Big freaking whipdeedoo

Don't take it so hard!
:bills:

[Matt]

Oh please. You are insulting my intelligence. He's an underachieving loudmouth 30+ years past his prime, with a history of rascism. If this was his first slip of tounge....do you think that there would be 1/2 as much of a commotion? Repeat offender, he had it coming.

If this was the first slip of his tongue then I would expect the outrage, for someone on the radio 30 years.

For someone on the radio 30 years who has a reputation of such a thing, I think the fact that there is this much outrage further backs the point that this is a witch hunt, and I think people like you who have such embellished surprise are being unfair and selective.

[JLB]

If this was the first slip of his tongue then I would expect the outrage, for someone on the radio 30 years.

For someone on the radio 30 years who has a reputation of such a thing, I think the fact that there is this much outrage further backs the point that this is a witch hunt, and I think people like you who have such embellished surprise are being unfair and selective.

Did CBS jump the shark on this?
Why not wait until after he met with the players?

[pmoon6]

lets not get carried away hereWhy not. We get carried away all the time. It just depends on which side of the fence you are sitting.

BTW, which side of the fence are you sitting now?

When you asked me to produce evidence of your hypocacy, I provided it and you had no response.

I was wondering, do you sit at the altar of the Cheektowaga stongman or do you actually think for yourself?

[unklechucky]

If this was the first slip of his tongue then I would expect the outrage, for someone on the radio 30 years.

For someone on the radio 30 years who has a reputation of such a thing, I think the fact that there is this much outrage further backs the point that this is a witch hunt, and I think people like you who have such embellished surprise are being unfair and selective.

Lets face the facts, we live ina PC world right now. The 60's and 70's reeked of racism, hell he might have even got a pat on the back for those comments back then. That is probably how he got away with it in the past.

Do not categorize me. Personally I wish I had more liberties at what I could say publicly, unfortunately the world we live in today does not allow for that. I am intelligent enough and aware enough to realize that. Unless Imus has gone senile through the years, he is a savvy veteran and should be able to see that as clearly as I do. He should have known better.

[Mouldsie]

moon i almost thanked you

[Meathead]

Ask the duke boys what those jerkoff Shaprton and Jackson had to say about them.
:link:

[uppy]

The man should not have been fired. He is an entertainer.

This is about the market wanting to play the politically correct

card and this sucks.

The man is going to be even more popular now and maybe he

will go off to give Stern a run for his money.

[Green Lantern]

The man should not have been fired. He is an entertainer.

This is about the market wanting to play the politically correct

card and this sucks.

The man is going to be even more popular now and maybe he

will go off to give Stern a run for his money.

This is progress. At least it is not about the 1st amendment anymore.

[uppy]

I am trying a new approach maybe you should too. hint-hint

[MacRazor]

And for that matter,neither will Opie and Anthony. Like Stern,they're on satellite. (Disregard their "safe for radio" show,which is edited down quite a bit.)

Hannity,though his views on issues make him a contender for "The Biggest Douche in the Universe",should be safe too.

Limbaugh and Savage should start worrying now.


News flash for ya Carl, O&A are on 103.3FM and they happen to work for CBS. They're next and they know it. When Moonvies sells Imus down the river because of bullshit pressure from Sharpton, Jackson et al it's sad commentary on the state of our country. This IS a 1st amendment issue. Imus was wrong, but his job? Whatever happend to "the pursuit of happiness" and "Free speech"? Taking down an old geezer DJ is the 1st move to a scary new world. Before ya know it ol' Al will be trolling through here looking for "ambulances to chase".

[JLB]

News flash for ya Carl, O&A are on 103.3FM and they happen to work for CBS. They're next and they know it. When Moonvies sells Imus down the river because of bullshit pressure from Sharpton, Jackson et al it's sad commentary on the state of our country. This IS a 1st amendment issue. Imus was wrong, but his job? Whatever happend to "the pursuit of happiness" and "Free speech"? Taking down an old geezer DJ is the 1st move to a scary new world. Before ya know it ol' Al will be trolling through here looking for "ambulances to chase".

Great Post Mac!!!
:n4clapping:

[sukie]

I want to punch the next ranger in the throat that honestly thinks (by posting) this is a violation of Imus's free speech "rights".

[JLB]

I want to punch the next ranger in the throat that honestly thinks (by posting) this is a violation of Imus's free speech "rights".

A little pre-game anger excellent lol.

[ckg68]

News flash for ya Carl, O&A are on 103.3FM and they happen to work for CBS. They're next and they know it. When Moonvies sells Imus down the river because of bullshit pressure from Sharpton, Jackson et al it's sad commentary on the state of our country. This IS a 1st amendment issue. Imus was wrong, but his job? Whatever happend to "the pursuit of happiness" and "Free speech"? Taking down an old geezer DJ is the 1st move to a scary new world. Before ya know it ol' Al will be trolling through here looking for "ambulances to chase".

Some points to make,never mind the other observations:

*The show that's on 103.3 would pass muster with the FCC. Period.

*O & A do NOT work for CBS;their show AIRS on CBS stations(as well as the Edge's owner,Citadel).

[35Pete]

Wrong move,IMO:

http://www.hoffmania.com/blog/2007/04/here_we_go.html

Cool. I just need to put political bigotry to music and hell, you can't touch me.

:barf:

Yeah but.....

[35Pete]

Stern won't get fired.

Give it time.

Al and Jesse don't wear a purple felt hat with a feather sticking out of it. Nor do they drive a pink caddy with fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view.

But they are essentially one in the same as the ho pimp.

Using, and trashing others to make a fast buck.

[MacRazor]

I want to punch the next ranger in the throat that honestly thinks (by posting) this is a violation of Imus's free speech "rights".


that's a witty retort!:n4clapping:

It's OK if you cant explain why it ISN'T in your ober-lord opinion.

Carl, Free-FM is owned by CBS. O&A are "sydicated" to other stations.

[ckg68]

that's a witty retort!:n4clapping:

It's OK if you cant explain why it ISN'T in your ober-lord opinion.

Carl, Free-FM is owned by CBS. O&A are "sydicated" to other stations.

I know that,but let me ask you this: If O & A work for CBS,then why in the hell did they also sign a deal with Citadel to syndicate the show?

[uppy]

I want to punch the next ranger in the throat that honestly thinks (by posting) this is a violation of Imus's free speech "rights".


Its a violation of his free speech rights

[MacRazor]

I know that,but let me ask you this: If O & A work for CBS,then why in the hell did they also sign a deal with Citadel to syndicate the show?


Citadel's deal is with CBS, not O&A....hence the term "syndication". Think of it in terms of TV-show re-runs on TVland.

Back to topic: So has the FCC handed down their decision on Imus?





Didn't think so.
Goodbye 1st Amendment, we hardly knew ye.

[JLB]

Citadel's deal is with CBS, not O&A....hence the term "syndication". Think of it in terms of TV-show re-runs on TVland.

Back to topic: So has the FCC handed down their decision on Imus?





Didn't think so.
Goodbye 1st Amendment, we hardly knew ye.

That's right!!

[nehemiah]

hold on just a cotton picking minute...

we're supposed to give a **** about the first amendment?

that's crazy talk. get back to suppressing protest.

[nehemiah]

Its a violation of his free speech rightsyou don't care about free speech.

you've proven that over and over and over again.

[JLB]

hold on just a cotton picking minute...

we're supposed to give a **** about the first amendment?

that's crazy talk. get back to suppressing protest.

Pick your own rofl!:D

[uppy]

you don't care about free speech.

you've proven that over and over and over again.

Bullshit,free speech should be a right to all people that own a car :) and

have proof of employment .


get your facts together my king.

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

this is kinda crazy

again, you want to fire imus fine. and i could give a damn about imus actually, i dont hardly even pay attention to him

but to make this a racial issue regarding him is rediculous. its window dressing, its a deflection, its a catharsis. its addressing the symptom not the disease

'oh nice. we got imus fired! woo hoo! we win people!'

bull. you did virtually nothing. the only thing you may have accomplished is to get raw nightclub humor out of the morning broadcast, and im fine with that. but to think you did anything to promote the reduction in racism is fooling yourselves

go ahead and punish imus. but the message should be you need to be careful about your venue not that this is an example of racism. it wasnt and it isnt and to make it so is just delaying the progress that is just waiting there for us to make

i cant help but go back to the classic example i use all the time where about a decade ago a high level political aide who was active in promoting civil rights was forced to resign because he used the term 'ni@@ardly'. look it up, the word has zero to do with race, its a coincidence that it sounds like the bad word. but he got hounded until he stepped down from the pressure. and oh yeah he was lily white. now thats some ***ked up shit right there

this situation just looks like a more advanced, more subtle version of that event. its projecting racism where it doesnt exist. its stupid and it harms our cause

like ive said, maybe this mistake will help us become more descerning. but right now it looks like we are moving away from that lesson instead of toward it


Good post.

This will do nothing but INCREASE covert racism, the very worst kind.

A corny radio dude made a corny attempt to mimick young people. When he realized it was taken with far more merit than it was worth, he apologized.

White people are livid about this firing, but they don't have the balls to tell black people how they feel. It's going to fester and then boil over at some point.

Free speech is absolutely imperative on so many levels.

I did my part. I haven't backed down from one person with an opposing view point, black or white.

Don't act like you're not scared to be honest with blacks.

A little bit of honest and open prejudice is exactly what this country needs.

It's situations like this that make my racist uncle, a covert extreme racist, actually make it a point to keep blacks from advancing.

[г]

I hear Imus has a gay son, Isthmus

[JLB]

I hear Imus has a gay son, Isthmus

Wyatt is just a little boy how do you know he's gay?:D

[sukie]

Its a violation of his free speech rights

:rofl:

[ckg68]

Bullshit,free speech should be a right to all people that own a car :) and

have proof of employment .


get your facts together my king.

No.

Get YOURS together first before you bitch about others not having the facts together.

That right was given to ALL Americans in the Bill of Rights,regardless of whether they're penniless or richer than God....whether they're free or in jail....etc. ad infinitum.

[sukie]

Okay... enough already... what does free speech have to do withthis topic aside from the obvious "nothing"?

[MacRazor]

here try this on:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/06.html#1

and compare it to this
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=485&page=46

Grab some beer and enjoy.

[sukie]

Yes but free speech (in my point about this doesn't say anything about losing your job over it. Imus ' free speech protection was not violated in the least.

I have a few empties... should I toss or recycle?

[uppy]

Yes but free speech (in my point about this doesn't say anything about losing your job over it. Imus ' free speech protection was not violated in the least.

I have a few empties... should I toss or recycle?

The PC police took out imus,there are words we can no longer use now

that we could as kids because the PC movement shuts it down because

of an agenda.Imus makes jokes about the Irish exc....why has he not

lost his job because of that ?

Its easy Sukie, he has free speech protection except when the PC police

say no.

PC police = no free speech if it goes agianst the agenda

[Matt]

it has nothing to do with the boundaries or role of free speech

it has a lot to do with there being nothing good to come out of firing somebody for what they say or think

[sukie]

Free speech doesn't protect you at the work place.

[Matt]

Free speech doesn't protect you at the work place.

but it should!

[sukie]

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[uppy]

Free speech doesn't protect you at the work place.

Don't you mean free speech is only what the thought police allow you

to say at work?

Irish jokes are ok

[sukie]

No... Uppy... Try seeing how the first amendment protects your job when you freely call your boss a pedophilic bastard with no penis infront of the staff.

Amendments don't protect your job.

[uppy]

No... Uppy... Try seeing how the first amendment protects your job when you freely call your boss a pedophilic bastard with no penis infront of the staff.

Amendments don't protect your job.

Don't go down this road Sukienehe...first off, should a person in the news

media pimp his opinions to conform with his boss...keeping in mind that we

have free speech in this country under the bill of rights one of whitch is to

protect the freedom of the press.Like it or not Imus is part of the press and

covered under the protections granted by the first amendment.If we as a

country allow the leftie PC police to shut down his first amendment rights

as a member of the news media whats next.....the PC clowns hate Fox news,

and Rush....the list goes on and on do we shut them down too?

You are a post or two away from me calling you the "M" agian :)

[MacRazor]

Sukie, I can almost see your point but now your using "insubordination". That is different. Imus was/is a radio personality that was on the air making a tastless comment, he did not call his boss those things. There are no FCC violations which btw are loosly wrapped around the 1st amendment. He did not incite or slander either (slander is a close one IMO). The simple fact that PC "cops" like Jackson and Sharpton drummed up enough of an outcry to take Imus' job is a shame. I cite the Hustler v Falwell case because I honestly believe that Imus could conceivably stand to 1) get his job back and/or 2)cash in on millions in a lawsuit vs CBS, Sharpton et al. When a group of people don't agree with what you say on the radio, TV or internet and it costs you your job, that is censorship.

Consider this: If someone didn't tell Al Sharpton about this, Imus would still be on the air.

Take the empties back to the store and claim they were defective and ask for replacements.:FBH:

[JLB]

Take the empties back to the store and claim they were defective and ask for replacements.:FBH:

Excellent I'm gonna try that one thanks Mac lol!:D

[sukie]

He did cost his boss big cash with sponsor withdrawls. He then got fired. Nothing unconstitutional about that. Cahnge my example to be a co worker instead of the boss.

[uppy]

Outstanding Post Mac !

++++

[JLB]

Outstanding Post Mac !

++++

Yes it was!!
:n4clapping:

[uppy]

He did cost his boss big cash with sponsor withdrawls. He then got fired. Nothing unconstitutional about that. Cahnge my example to be a co worker instead of the boss.

You are now one post away from the "M" word

[sukie]

I am on the side of business owners having the right to fire someone for performance... not MBatty at all.

[uppy]

I am on the side of business owners having the right to fire someone for performance... not MBatty at all.


Imus is part of the media he does not work at wendys.

True,his boss has the right to let him go ,but his boss should not fire

him because a small group of pimps have an agenda to shut down free speech

rights.He works in the media Sukie not in an office.


Get your head out of the forth point of contact.

[sukie]

On the side of big business unlike your liberalesque stance.

[uppy]

On the side of big business unlike your liberalesque stance.

moonbat

You have gone to the dark side.....I bet you have a Dan the Man poster

in the garage too.

:bigasskiss:

[sukie]

Moonbats hate big business... look in the mirror through your left eye only... Might be frightening

[MacRazor]

I am on the side of business owners having the right to fire someone for performance... not MBatty at all.


So you do realize that Imus was worth $15 million to CBS in sponsors? Talk about cutting off the nose despite the face....

Les Moonvies caved to Sharpton's rhetoric about protests and boycotts. The major sponsors caved just as bad.

This just in: "Shock-Jocks" earn HUGE money for their respective companies, Stern gets $500M deal from Sirius.....

Is it sinking in yet?

And how does waffling over to "co-worker" make your point any clearer? My co-worker calls me a douche-bag every day but i don't have a AS to go to bat for me........ oh wait, I am a douche-bag.

[Mouldsie]

you got it backwards

[JLB]

you got it backwards

What is backwards?

[unklechucky]

I'm trying to understand why this is still being discussed.

[sukie]

Let it die already. Non issue

[uppy]

You mean lets sweep it under the rug and Pretend it never happend ?

That approach worked well for Nevel Champerland, good idea.

[shiva2999]

...Nevel Champerland...

LOL!

It's Newville Chaimberlend.

[uppy]

LOL!

It's Newville Chaimberlend.


LOL

we are both wrong its ... Neville Chamberlain

[shiva2999]

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