Gonzales aide to take the fifth...

[shiva2999]

Unbelieveable.

Maybe Gonzo will take the fifth too.


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYXEgusB_EyI

Gonzales Aide Won't Answer Questions About Prosecutor Firings

By James Rowley

March 26 (Bloomberg) -- Monica Goodling, a counsel to U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales who helped coordinate the dismissals of eight U.S. attorneys, will invoke her constitutional right not to answer Senate questions about the firings, her lawyer said.

Goodling, one of four Justice Department officials the agency said could be interviewed by the Senate Judiciary Committee, will invoke her Fifth Amendment privilege not to answer the panel's questions, John M. Dowd, her lawyer, said in a statement. Dowd said the committee had requested her testimony under oath.

``The hostile and questionable environment in the present congressional proceedings is at best ambiguous; more accurately the environment can be described as legally perilous for Ms. Goodling,'' Dowd said in a letter to Senator Patrick Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who chairs the panel. Dowd cited statements by senators accusing the Justice Department of misleading Congress.

...more...

[TheCrystalBall]

Yesss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Meathead]

we did nothing wrong but i refuse to answer because i might incriminate myself for something i didnt do

[nehemiah]

you missed the best quote: ``The hostile and questionable environment in the present congressional proceedings is at best ambiguous; more accurately the environment can be described as legally perilous for Ms. Goodling,'' Dowd said in a letter to Senator Patrick Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who chairs the panel. ``The potential for legal jeopardy for Ms. Goodling even from her most truthful and accurate testimony under these circumstances is very real.''

nah......... nothing to see here. :erm:

[uppy]

Its a non-issue put down the kool-aid boys....the prez can

toss people that work for the admin at will.

[Gilly]

Fool him once.... Libs got the Bush admin the same way in the Libby case. They cannot prosecute the crime so they prosecute the way Bush's peeps answer questions about the crime. Bush is right to tell all the dems to go fly a kite. It will be fun to see them wigging out on Fox news tommorrow.
Its funny cause they hate Bush so bad they're blinded by it. This atty gen subject is so lame that even you die hard leftys have to admit it is.:bills:

[ckg68]

Its a non-issue put down the kool-aid boys....the prez can

toss people that work for the admin at will.

Non-issue-and lame-my :censor:ing ASS.

Were you aware that quite a few of the tossed attorneys has conviction rates in the top third?

Were you aware that the number of turfed US Attorneys(nine)in the whole Bush adminstration is more than the last five presidencies combined?

And here's a blast from the past: Fredrick Black was turfed in 2002. His territory included the Marianas. He was investigating slave labor and forced prostitution on the island and was investigating Jack Abramoff-as well as his links to two members of Congress,Tom DeLay and John Doolittle,when Black was dismissed.

While we're on this,here's a story on one of the turfed attorneys,Carol Lam-detailing her record on immigration matters and the Justice Department's failure to even bring the matter up before her firing...

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002877.php

[JLB]

Fool him once.... Libs got the Bush admin the same way in the Libby case. They cannot prosecute the crime so they prosecute the way Bush's peeps answer questions about the crime. Bush is right to tell all the dems to go fly a kite. It will be fun to see them wigging out on Fox news tommorrow.
Its funny cause they hate Bush so bad they're blinded by it. This atty gen subject is so lame that even you die hard leftys have to admit it is.:bills:

Good stuff Gilly!
:bills:

[Green Lantern]

Non-issue-and lame-my :censor:ing ASS.

Were you aware that quite a few of the tossed attorneys has conviction rates in the top third?

Were you aware that the number of turfed US Attorneys(nine)in the whole Bush adminstration is more than the last five presidencies combined?

And here's a blast from the past: Fredrick Black was turfed in 2002. His territory included the Marianas. He was investigating slave labor and forced prostitution on the island and was investigating Jack Abramoff-as well as his links to two members of Congress,Tom DeLay and John Doolittle,when Black was dismissed.

While we're on this,here's a story on one of the turfed attorneys,Carol Lam-detailing her record on immigration matters and the Justice Department's failure to even bring the matter up before her firing...

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002877.php

you're talking to the wrong guy. For Uppy, there is no truth or justice, it's all spin.

[uppy]

Non-issue my ASS.

Were you aware that quite a few of the tossed attorneys has conviction rates in the top third?

Were you aware that the number of turfed US Attorneys(nine)in the whole Bush adminstration is more than the last five presidencies combined?

And here's a blast from the past: Fredrick Black was turfed in 2002. His territory included the Marianas. He was investigating slave labor and forced prostitution on the island and was investigating Jack Abramoff-as well as his links to two members of Congress,Tom DeLay and John Doolittle,when Black was dismissed.

While we're on this,here's a story on one of the turfed attorneys,Carol Lam-detailing her record on immigration matters and the Justice Department's failure to even bring the matter up before her firing...

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002877.php

Carl..repeat after me:the prez can toss any person that works

for him....clinton "my hero" tossed 124 US attorneys in his 8

years and the MSM said nothing....repeat it five times.

[ckg68]

you're talking to the wrong guy. For Uppy, there is no truth or justice, it's all spin.

Except they can't let it die in committee,much like they did in 2002.

[Green Lantern]

Except they can't let it die in committee,much like they did in 2002.

Well...ya' got me there.

[ckg68]

Carl..repeat after me:the prez can toss any person that works

for him....clinton "my hero" tossed 124 US attorneys in his 8

years and the MSM said nothing....repeat it five times.

Repeat THIS:

Reagan turfed all the US A's at the start of his term.
Bush the Elder did the same.
Clinton did the same.
So did Bush the Younger.

Only difference is,neither Reagan nor Clinton considered firing everyone at the start of their second term. Bush and the Justice Department at least put the idea on the table for discussion.

And when the :censor: did I EVER say Clinton was a hero of mine? As Bill Hicks put it,"There's no :censor:ing hope in the guy."

[uppy]

you're talking to the wrong guy. For Uppy, there is no truth or justice, it's all spin.


So, clinton can toss 124 US attorneys and there is truth and

justice...but if Mr Bush gets rid of 8 its a crime.....OOOOO

Life is Good

You are a no spin guy aqua.....lmao

[Green Lantern]

So, clinton can toss 124 US attorneys and there is truth and

justice...but if Mr Bush gets rid of 8 its a crime.....OOOOO

Life is Good

You are a no spin guy aqua.....lmao

When did I say that?

What am I spinning?

[JLB]

And when the :censor: did I EVER say Clinton was a hero of mine?

I never heard you say it.
He was what exactly IYO?

[uppy]

So did Bush the Younger.

You Sir are full of shit

[ckg68]

So, clinton can toss 124 US attorneys and there is truth and

justice...but if Mr Bush gets rid of 8 its a crime.....OOOOO

Life is Good

You are a no spin guy aqua.....lmao

Quite a feat to toss out 124,since there's only 93 US Attorneys. So already you're spreading :bs:. Penn and Teller would be proud.

[Green Lantern]

I'm sorry. Don't bother to answer me. I forgot who I was talking to. We who disagree are all an amorphous "them" to you.

[ckg68]

You Sir are full of shit

As the Terminator would put it: ":censor: you,:censor:hole."

[uppy]

Quite a feat to toss out 124,since there's only 93 US Attorneys. So already you're spreading :bs:. Penn and Teller would be proud.

Clintoon shit canned all 93 when he took office and tossed

31 more in his 8 years.

:n4clapping:

[uppy]

As the Terminator would put it: ":censor: you,:censor:hole."

Show me a link that proves GWB tossed all the US Attorneys

when he took office

[ckg68]

Show me a link that proves GWB tossed all the US Attorneys

when he took office

Soon as you do likewise with your claim that Clinton turfed 31 extra US A's in his 8 years. A reputable source(and no,Newsmax,WND,et al do not count),please.

Since I expect it around the 7th of never....

[uppy]

Soon as you do likewise with your claim that Clinton turfed 31 extra US A's in his 8 years. A reputable source(and no,Newsmax,WND,et al do not count),please.

Since I expect it around the 7th of never....

I will put up the link tuesday...and I want to see your

link that GWB dumped all 93 when he took office...lol

[uppy]

I'm sorry. Don't bother to answer me. I forgot who I was talking to. We who disagree are all an amorphous "them" to you.


sorry Aqua....you said..For Uppy, there is no truth or justice,

it's all spin.I pointed out that clinton did more and you ingore

the facts and ingage in rhetoric...Its also called spin

[nehemiah]

firing attorneys for the sole purpose of hindering prosecutions of administration allies is OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

that is the bottom line.

[ckg68]

Show me a link that proves GWB tossed all the US Attorneys

when he took office

You want the truth?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2001/March/107ag.htm

[Green Lantern]

sorry Aqua....you said..For Uppy, there is no truth or justice,

it's all spin.I pointed out that clinton did more and you ingore

the facts and ingage in rhetoric...Its also called spin

I don't ignore it. You bring up something that is irrelevant to the question at hand. There is a difference between politics and spin.

Clinton firing everyone is politics as normal for a change of regime, Bush firing people who, A) are investigating people he knows, and B) who refuse to bring charges against his enemies, is not normal.

That you defend these actions is just one more proof that you do not care about getting at truth or defending justice.

[TRIPLE P]

Uppy once again proves he cars mre about George Bush than justice.

[uppy]

You want the truth?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2001/March/107ag.html

The link doesn't work


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BTW,Carl I have been having a hard time finding a list of

US attorneys between 1993-2000.Its almost like its TOP

Secret info you can't get the lists off goverment sights.

The MSM lists nothing...I may need to go to

Newsmax,worldnetdaily and last but not least Rush's web page

[Jack_Bauer]

Fool him once.... Libs got the Bush admin the same way in the Libby case. They cannot prosecute the crime so they prosecute the way Bush's peeps answer questions about the crime. Bush is right to tell all the dems to go fly a kite. It will be fun to see them wigging out on Fox news tommorrow.
Its funny cause they hate Bush so bad they're blinded by it. This atty gen subject is so lame that even you die hard leftys have to admit it is.:bills:

Not answering questions or lying about questions during a federal criminal investigation is obstructionism and morally repugnant. It stifles the judicial process and fundamentally disrupts the separation of powers and operation of government.

How does it feel to spit on the Constitution cowgirl?

In fact, if there was no wrongdoing, and no basis for the criminal accusation, why lie?

I hope you never complained about Clinton getting a blow job and misleading the country thereafter.

Your Repubs are lying, misleading, cheating, equivocating, and staining our republic with scandal and misdirection.

Might as well bring Andrew Jackson back.

[pmoon6]

Not answering questions or lying about questions during a federal criminal investigation is obstructionism and morally repugnant. It stifles the judicial process and fundamentally disrupts the separation of powers and operation of government.

How does it feel to spit on the Constitution cowgirl?

In fact, if there was no wrongdoing, and no basis for the criminal accusation, why lie?

I hope you never complained about Clinton getting a blow job and misleading the country thereafter.

Your Repubs are lying, misleading, cheating, equivocating, and staining our republic with scandal and misdirection.

Might as well bring Andrew Jackson back.The Constitution provides the right against self-incrimination so by saying someone is spitting on the Constitution by pleading the 5th is stupid in itself.

Now, doing so doesn't look good for Gonzales or the administration and I think they should explain themselves, if they have nothing to hide, why not?

The funny thing is when the right uses that argument in regards to the Patriot Act, the left screams to high heaven.

Crying about someone taking advantage of their rights is something I don't expect from the left, unless they are just partisan hacks.

[Green Lantern]

you missed the best quote: ``The hostile and questionable environment in the present congressional proceedings is at best ambiguous; more accurately the environment can be described as legally perilous for Ms. Goodling,'' Dowd said in a letter to Senator Patrick Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who chairs the panel. ``The potential for legal jeopardy for Ms. Goodling even from her most truthful and accurate testimony under these circumstances is very real.''

nah......... nothing to see here. :erm:

I think you need to spell that out for some people. They don't seem to get it.

[pmoon6]

I think you need to spell that out for some people. They don't seem to get it.Spell it out........Political witchhunt.

[Jack_Bauer]

The Constitution provides the right against self-incrimination so by saying someone is spitting on the Constitution by pleading the 5th is stupid in itself.

Now, doing so doesn't look good for Gonzales or the administration and I think they should explain themselves, if they have nothing to hide, why not?

The funny thing is when the right uses that argument in regards to the Patriot Act, the left screams to high heaven.

Crying about someone taking advantage of their rights is something I don't expect from the left, unless they are just partisan hacks.


I actually wasn't referring to the Bill of Rights.

I was referring to Separation of Powers and specific grants of power articulated in the first 3 articles of the Constitution.

Has the Constitution been revised since I graduated law school 2 years ago? Assuming not, the Constitutional problem occurs thusly:

When one branch obstructs, they prevent the other branch from doing their job per constitutional declarations.

[uppy]

I actually wasn't referring to the Bill of Rights.

I was referring to Separation of Powers and specific grants of power articulated in the first 3 articles of the Constitution.

Has the Constitution been revised since I graduated law school 2 years ago? Assuming not, the Constitutional problem occurs thusly:

When one branch obstructs, they prevent the other branch from doing their job per constitutional declarations.


law school guy...does the Prez have the right of Choice who

is imployed by Him..or is that up to the party that lost the

election ?

[Jack_Bauer]

law school guy...does the Prez have the right of Choice who

is imployed by Him..or is that up to the party that lost the

election ?

No, the President has that authority.

Here is the catch though, Congress can investigate actions that it feels are antithetical to the countries best interest.

Steroid use in baseball is one such example.

If a bunch of lawyers are fired for wearing black shoelaces in brown shoes, so be it. That is the Attorney General's and, by extension, the President's prerogative.

But if the lawyers are being fired for not aggressively prosecuting instances of voter fraud, but only in Democratic districts, that brings up an issue of partisanship that can have an impact on our republic in general, and the voting process specifically.

Congress may want to discuss and/or propose legislation that limits abuse of the voting process. That is their prerogative per Article I.

Congress also certifies elections, so issues of prosecuting voter fraud is VERY relevant.

Article I Section 8 is VERY vast and gives Congress a lot of powers. Trust me, both parties, DEM and REPUB, have used them.

[pmoon6]

I actually wasn't referring to the Bill of Rights.

I was referring to Separation of Powers and specific grants of power articulated in the first 3 articles of the Constitution.

Has the Constitution been revised since I graduated law school 2 years ago? Assuming not, the Constitutional problem occurs thusly:

When one branch obstructs, they prevent the other branch from doing their job per constitutional declarations.OK, I got ya now.

This is so cool, I think we have 4 lawyers on the board.

[nehemiah]

OK, I got ya now.

This is so cool, I think we have 4 lawyers on the board.:nono:

it's gonna get awful around here.

:D

[Jack_Bauer]

:nono:

it's gonna get awful around here.

:D

:thumbup: