The Army CONTINUES to piss on Pat Tillman's grave...

[shiva2999]

Go ahead, yank his silver star you mother****ers.

Support the troops!


http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/03/should_the_us_a.html

Should the U.S. Army take back Silver Star awarded to Pat Tillman?
With the Pentagon expected to release a report today that calls for nine officers to be punished in connection with a former football player's death, one reporter says some officials are asking whether the U.S. Army should take back the Silver Star that it awarded to Pat Tillman after he was killed during a 2004 firefight in Afghanistan that is now acknowledged as a tragic case of fratricide.

CNN's Pentagon correspondent just mentioned during a live interview that the military may "recall" the commendation because his death doesn't meet the criteria for the award, which requires "gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force."

[Gilly]

You're reaching here shiv, who asked to take the award back? "some officials" ??:eatme: What the hell does that prove. "some other officials" said Tillman should get the Congressional Medal of Honor. So I guess that evens things out.

[shiva2999]

Argue with CNN.

LOL!

I'd love to hear the explanation for this one...

"Dear Mr and Mrs Tillman, because your son was shot down like a dog by his fellow Americans we are requesting the return of Pat's Silver Star. Signed Sec of Def."

[JLB]

:jayhawk: :jayhawk: :jayhawk:

[shiva2999]

It's amazing.

Dozens and dozens of guys on this site were willing to bang their chests and swear revenge when Pat was supposedly killed by evil Muslims.

Where are they now?

Conspicuous by their absence.

[TheGoodShepherd]

It's amazing.

Dozens and dozens of guys on this site were willing to bang their chests and swear revenge when Pat was supposedly killed by evil Muslims.

Where are they now?

Conspicuous by their absence.

Is that thread still around?

[uppy]

It's amazing.

Dozens and dozens of guys on this site were willing to bang their chests and swear revenge when Pat was supposedly killed by evil Muslims.

Where are they now?

Conspicuous by their absence.

It was friendly fire not criminal negligence or murder

[shiva2999]

It was friendly fire not criminal negligence or murder

Should he have his Silver Star taken away?

He doesn't fit the description.

I presume there's no medal for dying in a gigantic **** up?

Or being a murder victim.

[uppy]

being a murder victim.

Please stop or show proof

[shiva2999]

Please stop or show proof

LOL!

"I was just trying to stab some mosquitos and Ron and Nicole got in the way!" ~ OJ.

[uppy]

friendly fire happens

[JLB]

friendly fire happens

• Army concludes that Pat Tillman's death was accidental
• Investigation finds no evidence of negligent homicide or aggravated assault
• Fellow rangers fired on Tillman thinking they were under enemy attack

[uppy]

Thanks JLB

[shiva2999]

Baghdad Bobs.

[uppy]

LOL!

"I was just trying to stab some mosquitos and Ron and Nicole got in the way!" ~ OJ.


lol


You think OJ was the killer ?

[shiva2999]

lol


You think OJ was the killer ?

OJ the killer?

Where's the evidence?

[JLB]

OJ the killer?

Where's the evidence?

That's what your being asked.

[uppy]

OJ the killer?

Where's the evidence?

There's more evidence that OJ did it.... then Tilman being murdered.

[shiva2999]

That's what your being asked.

A mind like a steel trap.

[JLB]

A mind like a steel trap.

Paying attention is fun try it.

• Army concludes that Pat Tillman's death was accidental
• Investigation finds no evidence of negligent homicide or aggravated assault
• Fellow rangers fired on Tillman thinking they were under enemy attack

[shiva2999]

There's more evidence that OJ did it.... then Tilman being murdered.

the only evidence that Pat Tillman WASN'T murdered is the Army's say so.

And we know they would NEVER lie!

Besides, none of you Pentagon pimps have answered my question.

Should his Silver Star be pulled?

[unklechucky]

Reading comprehension isn't a high priority in Canadian schools.

[mighty peace warrior]

It's amazing.

Dozens and dozens of guys on this site were willing to bang their chests and swear revenge when Pat was supposedly killed by evil Muslims.

Where are they now?

Conspicuous by their absence.

no one is going to call BS on this?

[uppy]

Jlb..if it was Jim Brown in OJ shoes Shiva would think he's

innocent ;)

[shiva2999]

no one is going to call BS on this?

Be my guest.

And are you going to have the balls to answer my question?

[shiva2999]

Jlb..if it was Jim Brown in OJ shoes Shiva would think he's

innocent ;)

The strange thing is Jim Brown never murdered anyone.

[uppy]

Should his Silver Star be pulled?

Its not my call

[shiva2999]

Its not my call

Go on, ask Jesus for the courage to have an opinion.

[JLB]

Jlb..if it was Jim Brown in OJ shoes Shiva would think he's

innocent ;)

I think your right a true Browns fan would have to.

[uppy]

no one is going to call BS on this?

Some times things are so out of wack...you just laugh and let

it go.

[JLB]

The strange thing is Jim Brown never murdered anyone.

Jim Brown was great his name and murder in the same sentence shame on you and you call yourself a Brown's fan.

[JLB]

Some times things are so out of wack...you just laugh and let

it go.

True but I just enjoy watching a bullshitter splash in it for awhile.

[uppy]

The strange thing is Jim Brown never murdered anyone.


Show me the proof that Jim Brown never killed anyone...

Hint,its in the same place where the evidence of Tillmans

murder is.

[mighty peace warrior]

Be my guest.

And are you going to have the balls to answer my question?

let me look in the jar my wife keeps them in and get back to you...


its so hard to decide


no they will not nor should they take away his award, though i doubt he cares much about it at this point.

oh and you are full of it...dozens and dozens. was there even one?

[JLB]

Show me the proof that Jim Brown never killed anyone...

Hint,its in the same place where the evidence of Tillmans

murder is.

Yahtzee!

[JLB]

let me look in the jar my wife keeps them in and get back to you...


its so hard to decide


no they will not nor should they take away his award, though i doubt he cares much about it at this point.

oh and you are full of it...dozens and dozens. was there even one?

Another Yahtzee!

[shiva2999]

Huh?

Here you go. From a far right white supremicist website...

http://us.altermedia.info/news-of-interest-to-white-people/was-hero-pat-tillman-murdered-by-neocons_1145.html

Was Hero Pat Tillman Murdered by Neocons?
Posted in: European American News— @ 9:05 pm

by James Buchanan

Pat Tillman walked away from a three million dollar football contract to fight terrorism. He was a genuinely patriotic American. Afghanistan had a large al Qaeda presence and Osama bin Laden was rumored to be there. Tillman joined the Special Forces and was fighting al Qaeda over there. But then, George Bush declared war on Iraq. Tillman didn’t believe that Iraq had anything to do with the 911 attack. Tillman was ordered to serve a tour of duty in Iraq and was eventually sent back to Afghanistan, where he was killed. The original report claimed that Tillman was killed by enemy fire. Five weeks later it was admitted that he was “accidentally” shot in a friendly fire incident.

...more...


BTW Uppy, maybe you can pass this on to any Ranger buddies you might have because it seems they're having some difficulty...

Afghan fighter...

http://www.csmonitor.com/slideshows/lostyears/images/slide3.jpg

Army Rangers

http://www.truthdig.com/images/avboothuploads/tillman_fatigues_350.jpg

[SpikedLemonade]

The way Tillman's killing (possible murder?) was used and then covered up is an absolute disgrace by the current administration and it's military machine.

[unklechucky]

True but I just enjoy watching a bullshitter splash in it for awhile.


Splash?

That must be some wet messy BS

[shiva2999]

You watch. The right will give the Tillman family the Cindy Sheehan treatment...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/03/27/tillman.family.ap/

Tillman family rebuffs Congress
Group calls for investigation into possible coverup
Posted: Tuesday March 27, 2007 3:22AM; Updated: Tuesday March 27, 2007 3:22AM

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- Pat Tillman's family firmly rejected the Defense Department's findings Monday in the former NFL star's friendly-fire death, calling for congressional investigations into what they see as broad malfeasance and coverup.

"The truth is not what we received today," Tillman's parents and other family members said in a prepared statement.

Although the military has conducted five investigations, the Tillmans said all had failed to uncover the truth. "Now we ask the assistance of Congress and the press," they said.

The Tillmans spoke out a few hours after receiving a briefing from special agents and others involved in the probes completed recently. Among the family members present at the briefing here was Kevin Tillman, Pat's brother, who was several minutes behind his brother in a convoy when the former defensive back was killed in 2004. Kevin Tillman, an Army Ranger like his brother, did not witness the shooting.

The Defense Department announced Monday that nine high-ranking Army officers, including four generals, made critical errors in reporting the friendly fire death. Criminal violations may have been committed by officers who provided misleading information as the military investigated the killing, the department's acting inspector general said.

But the military declined to press charges against the fellow Rangers who opened fire on Tillman, embracing those soldiers' defense that it was a terrible mistake in the fog of war.

"The characterization of criminal negligence, professional misconduct, battlefield incompetence, concealment and destruction of evidence, deliberate deception, and conspiracy to deceive are not 'missteps,' the Tillmans said. "These actions are malfeasance."

"This attempt to impose closure by slapping the wrists of a few officers and enlisted men is yet another bureaucratic entrenchment," they said.

A central issue in the case is why it took the Army so long to tell the Tillmans how Pat Tillman had died. For five weeks, the family was told he had been killed in a conventional ambush.

The Tillman family has pressed for years to learn the role played by then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. But the family said Monday that investigators had said Monday that Rumsfeld didn't know their son had died by friendly fire for nearly a month.

"We base our beliefs on the relentless pattern of the Bush administration of deception, evasion, and spin in the conduct of the entire dual-occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan," the statement said.

"We remain convinced that the priority of the Pentagon was to prevent the public knowing that Pat was killed by the military's highest priority shock infantry unit," they said. "And that he was killed by a combination of shoddy leadership and clear violations of the Rules of Engagement, as well as violations of the Law of Land Warfare."

[shiva2999]

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070327_pentagon_cowers_behind_wordplay

Pentagon Cowers Behind Wordplay

Posted on Mar 27, 2007

By Robert Scheer

C’mon! The Pentagon’s inspector general concludes that nine top officers were involved in the cover-up of NFL football star Cpl. Pat Tillman’s “friendly fire” death, yet insists that this apparent conspiracy to conceal the truth does not rise to the level of criminality? Rather, it was “missteps” that led four generals and five officers of lower rank to conceal from his family and the American public the truth known instantly in the field: Tillman died not, as the Pentagon first claimed, in a firefight with the enemy in Afghanistan but rather at the hands of his fellow Rangers.

That family includes Tillman’s brother Kevin, who fought alongside Pat in Iraq and Afghanistan after ending his own sports career as a professional baseball player and enlisting with Pat in response to the 9/11 attacks. Yet this family, which sent two of its sons to fight in President Bush’s wars, was rewarded for its sacrifice with officially inspired fabrications enshrined in a Silver Star commendation.

For five weeks of mourning, from Tillman’s death on April 22, 2004, through his nationally televised memorial on May 3, the U.S. government—from the president on down—used the tale of Tillman’s heroism to deflect the nation’s attention from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the escalating American casualties in Iraq. Four generals were cited by the inspector general as sacrificing the truth in Tillman’s death. But another Central Command chief, Gen. John Abizaid, who knew about the friendly fire death a week after it occurred, was noticeably absent in the report released Monday.

The one officer who did pursue the truth was then-Capt. Richard Scott, now a major, who had been assigned within 24 hours of Tillman’s death to investigate the fratricide. His report, submitted May 10, 2004, concluded that possible criminal actions occurred. It was never officially accepted. He later testified that witnesses had been allowed, in subsequent Pentagon investigations, to change their testimony as to key details in the shooting.

As the Tillman family put it in a statement Monday: “The Army continues to deny the family and the public ... access to the original investigation and the sworn statements from that [Scott] investigation. ... His investigation contained the unaltered statements, taken when memories were still fresh, by witnesses to the events surrounding Pat’s death. We know ... that more than one of the original statements was altered, after Capt. Scott’s investigation ‘disappeared.’ This is not a misstep. It is evidence tampering.”

The family scorned the inspector general’s conclusion of “missteps.” “The characterization of criminal negligence, professional misconduct, battlefield incompetence, concealment and destruction of evidence, deliberate deception, and conspiracy to deceive, are not ‘missteps.’ These actions are malfeasance.”

The Tillmans noted the buck stops artificially with one of the generals cited, Lt. Gen. General Philip Kensinger, now retired: “While he is not blameless, we believe he is the pawn being sacrificed to protect the king ... [former] Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.”

The family points out that Rumsfeld was very familiar with the case. He had written Tillman a personal letter thanking him for enlisting. Rumsfeld was obviously aware that this was the most high-profile death in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The family noted it is inconceivable that the Pentagon would have been able to coordinate a carefully orchestrated campaign of lies converting Tillman’s death as a result of friendly fire into a Rambo-like assault on Taliban guerrillas, while keeping the secretary of defense and the White House in the dark.

Pat was a hero, saving the life of a fellow soldier who also was being fired upon. He sacrificed not only a lucrative career but also an extraordinary passion for life that included his marriage to a wonderful woman, his years of education in which he was distinguished as a scholar as well as an athlete, and the enormous love of his family and community.

He deserved the Silver Star granted him posthumously, but not for the phony reasons cited in the declaration. As the Tillman family put it, “the award of the Silver Star appears more than anything to be part of a cynical design to conceal the real events from the family and the public, while exploiting the death of our beloved Pat as a recruitment poster.”

They are right. As the family stated, “In three years of struggling with the Pentagon’s public affairs apparatus, we have never been dealt with honestly. We will now shift our efforts into Congress, to which we appeal for investigation.” A congressional investigation into the administration’s cynical exploitation of Tillman’s sacrifice is long overdue.