real victims

[mighty peace warrior]

think its ok to cut someone's hand off for stealing

think its ok to execute a woman in front of a full soccer stadium for protecting her self from her abusive husband

think beheading people is ok

think a firing squad is ok for a crime regardless of whether or not there is a trial

think it takes two women saying something to count as much as the word of one man

think its ok to fly a plane into a building killing thousands to make a point

think beating their wives is just teaching them

think women shouldn't drive( ok i am not sure i disagree with that one)

[Matt]

think its ok to cut someone's hand off for stealing

think its ok to execute a woman in front of a full soccer stadium for protecting her self from her abusive husband

think beheading people is ok

think a firing squad is ok for a crime regardless of whether or not there is a trial

think it takes two women saying something to count as much as the word of one man

think its ok to fly a plane into a building killing thousands to make a point

think beating their wives is just teaching them

think women shouldn't drive( ok i am not sure i disagree with that one)

Are terrorists?

I don't understand.

[mighty peace warrior]

not just terrorists believe those things

[uppy]

Outstand point MPW and the left jumps for joy at the thought

of them winning

[Green Lantern]

think its ok to cut someone's hand off for stealing

think its ok to execute a woman in front of a full soccer stadium for protecting her self from her abusive husband

think beheading people is ok

think a firing squad is ok for a crime regardless of whether or not there is a trial

think it takes two women saying something to count as much as the word of one man

think its ok to fly a plane into a building killing thousands to make a point

think beating their wives is just teaching them

think women shouldn't drive( ok i am not sure i disagree with that one)

You've got to put the "cutting off a hand" thing in perspective...

[shiva2999]

think its ok to fly a plane into a building killing thousands to make a point


It was for the good of the country.

No one was taking the threat of the encroaching Caliphate seriously.

[uppy]

It was for the good of the country.

No one was taking the threat of the encroaching Caliphate seriously.

I was

[shiva2999]

I was

Yes, but as good as you are, you are only one man.

[mighty peace warrior]

You've got to put the "cutting off a hand" thing in perspective...

i will try


you get caught stealing something


you get your right hand cut off

you get caught again

you get your left hand cut off

there is rarely a third strike

[mighty peace warrior]

even with just your left hand you are kinda screwed since you don't use toilet paper and waving with your left is an insult... i will leave the math to you

[Green Lantern]

i will try


you get caught stealing something


you get your right hand cut off

you get caught again

you get your left hand cut off

there is rarely a third strike

What I mean is that if you are poor, the society takes care of you through the mosque tithe. You and your family will receive clothes, food, and a place to live. If you steal, it is from greed.

Strong punishment, no doubt, but I bet Machiavelli loves it.

[shiva2999]

I believe the cutting off the hand for stealing thing is only practised by your pals the Saudis.

[mighty peace warrior]

I believe the cutting off the hand for stealing thing is only practised by your pals the Saudis.

incorrect, of course i am only taking the word of a guy who grew up in Jordan

[shiva2999]

incorrect, of course i am only taking the word of a guy who grew up in Jordan

And what does he say?

[mighty peace warrior]

What I mean is that if you are poor, the society takes care of you through the mosque tithe. You and your family will receive clothes, food, and a place to live. If you steal, it is from greed.

Strong punishment, no doubt, but I bet Machiavelli loves it.

poor people here live much better than in the middle east...perhaps removing an entire arm would be more fair here

[mighty peace warrior]

And what does he say?

that arabs who are caught stealing have a hand cut off. that muslim's in the middle east are intolerant of non muslims.

[Green Lantern]

poor people here live much better than in the middle east...perhaps removing an entire arm would be more fair here

Like I said, Machiavelli would be proud. Deal so severely with the problem that people will not violate the laws. In a way, you are being compassionate to ALL of society because law-abiders feel secure. Cruel to be Kind is not just a rock song.

[mighty peace warrior]

Like I said, Machiavelli would be proud. Deal so severely with the problem that people will not violate the laws. In a way, you are being compassionate to ALL of society because law-abiders feel secure. Cruel to be Kind is not just a rock song.

it certainly deters theft..i watched them go and pray and leave thousands of dollars worth of gold unattended at their booths.

and people say punishment cant deter crime

[SweetLee8 3PlayaWha?]

Yep.

How about this one?

Telling a kid not to put on a rubber because it's against gods wishes and said kid ending up with HIV.

So sad.

[35Pete]

Are terrorists?

I don't understand.

Sounds exactly like what I saw in a PBS Frontline Special Report on the Taliban. A female reporter from France did the expose on how the Taliban treated women. It was repulsive.

[coastal]

A female reporter from France did the exposeThat sounds hot.

[Maz]

The cruelty of Sharia to us indeed seems cruel and horrible. Look at OUR prison system though, is it any less cruel? If you lock a man like me up in the small confides of a concrete room to only be released to be beaten and most likely occasionally rape, is that any less cruel? I agree that the standards of Sharia law are extreme, but what REALLY is cruel and unusual? The mental degradation that some people face in prison has more residual affects then even losing a hand possibly would. Also, I am not sure to what extreme they do but Iran as far as I have read also implement Sharia law. To me what make's Sharia law truly appalling in some of these countries is the level of chauvinism and sexism that is intertwined to these so-called judicial systems. How many men need to be present for someone to be convicted of rape in Saudi Arabia? Does anyone know? The real travesty to me is the complete disregard for women rights more so than just human rights.

[mighty peace warrior]

The cruelty of Sharia to us indeed seems cruel and horrible. Look at OUR prison system though, is it any less cruel? If you lock a man like me up in the small confides of a concrete room to only be released to be beaten and most likely occasionally rape, is that any less cruel? I agree that the standards of Sharia law are extreme, but what REALLY is cruel and unusual? The mental degradation that some people face in prison has more residual affects then even losing a hand possibly would. Also, I am not sure to what extreme they do but Iran as far as I have read also implement Sharia law. To me what make's Sharia law truly appalling in some of these countries is the level of chauvinism and sexism that is intertwined to these so-called judicial systems. How many men need to be present for someone to be convicted of rape in Saudi Arabia? Does anyone know? The real travesty to me is the complete disregard for women rights more so than just human rights.


Have you seen a middle eastern prison? Have you seen one of ours? You don't go to prison for theft here, heck you don't even go to jail..so it doesn't really seem an accurate comparison.

bench probation v. chop off your hand.

the things that get you to the pen here are death sentances here

You realize there doesn't even have to be proof for you to be punished over there? There doesnt even have to be a second witness especially if your a woman. It takes two women saying something to count the same as one man.

[Maz]

yea, I'm not by ANY means saying their treatment is alright and humane in the least. I am suggesting that judicial corporal punishment in certain instances is less cruel and unusual then going to prison.

[mighty peace warrior]

yea, I'm not by ANY means saying their treatment is alright and humane in the least. I am suggesting that judicial corporal punishment in certain instances is less cruel and unusual then going to prison.

well perhaps a better example than theft, something you would actually go to prison for would help.

I think it would be a better deterrent...but then again i am very attached to both of my hands

[Maz]

Yeah, I had a debate in school actually for corporal judicial punishment a few days ago. Singapore and Malaysia also use forms of corporal punishment but they have stringent limits on the punishments and still practice some sort of compassion. My thoughts are look at the conditions of the US prison system and which is worse? I'd much rather have my back beat once with a bamboo pole for car theft and have my time cut in half or less, then serve a full prisons length in an American prison where I will most likely be beat and raped and possibly killed anyways. With reasonable restrictions on the punishments I see corporal punishment as a totally feasible form of determent and no less cruel then incarceration in some cases.

[Green Lantern]

Yeah, I had a debate in school actually for corporal judicial punishment a few days ago. Singapore and Malaysia also us forms of corporal punishment but they have stringent limits on the punishments and still practice some sort of compassion. My thought are look at the conditions of the US prison system which is worse? I'd much rather have my back beat one with a bamboo pole for car theft and have my time cut in half or less then serve a full prisons length in an American prison where I will most likely be beat and raped and possibly killed anyways. With reasonable restrictions on the punishments I see corporal punishment as a totally feasible form of determent and no less cruel then incarceration in some cases.

You've obviously never been in jail...

And your first three sentences are so grammatically poor that I do not understand them.

[Maz]

You've obviously never been in jail...

And your first three sentences are so grammatically poor that I do not understand them.

so you deny the fact that corporal punishment is still unofficially used in our prison system? Did you honestly post a reply for ANY reason?

[shiva2999]

that arabs who are caught stealing have a hand cut off. that muslim's in the middle east are intolerant of non muslims.

Wow, that really narrows it down.

I wonder if I told a Muslim that people caught stealing in America are sent to jail where they are sodomized repeatedly and that Christians in America are intolerant of non Christians, do you think he'd take it as gospel too?

[Green Lantern]

so you deny the fact that corporal punishment is still unofficially used in our prison system? Did you honestly post a reply for ANY reason?

Jumping to conclusions?

THAT is not what I meant. It IS obvious that you do not know what goes on in jails from your posts.

[Maz]

So still what are you saying? Are you saying that I am wrong in the gang beatings and rapes that take place in some of our prisons? Not every prison is a picnic and yes sadly I have not had the honor of doing time yet... It's obvious from your posts you have nothing to retort but a bunch of open ended thought's that mean little to nothing

[deconstruction]

Outstand point MPW and the left jumps for joy at the thought

of them winning

Yes, I have a nice bottle fo veuve cliquot set aside for the day they win . . .

[ticatfan3]

Wow, that really narrows it down.

I wonder if I told a Muslim that people caught stealing in America are sent to jail where they are sodomized repeatedly and that Christians in America are intolerant of non Christians, do you think he'd take it as gospel too?Why do you hate christians? Matter of fact, why do you hate canada and what it used to stand for?

[Green Lantern]

So still what are you saying? Are you saying that I am wrong in the gang beatings and rapes that take place in some of our prisons? Not every prison is a picnic and yes sadly I have not had the honor of doing time yet... It's obvious from your posts you have nothing to retort but a bunch of open ended thought's that mean little to nothing

Quite.

[mighty peace warrior]

Wow, that really narrows it down.

I wonder if I told a Muslim that people caught stealing in America are sent to jail where they are sodomized repeatedly and that Christians in America are intolerant of non Christians, do you think he'd take it as gospel too?

here is a thought, do some research. prove him wrong(knowing full well you can't)

let me see

i should trust

A. a guy from Canada who reads a lot on the internet but mostly conspiracy theory sites, and pretends people in America are sent to PRISON for theft(which is clearly baseless, of course what do I know about that either i just work in the criminal justice system after going to college where i also learned about ..yep you guessed it criminal justice)

B. my own experiences in almost two years in two different middle eastern countries and the experiences of a man who grew up in Jordan.

hmmm


thinking about it


thinking about it

if only the internet would tell me what to decide...

[mighty peace warrior]

Maz there is a huge difference between prison and jail.

and gang beatings and rapes aren't nearly as prevalent as you are perceiving them to be.

[Maz]

All that I am saying is that regulated judicial corporal punishment within reasonable means isn’t as archaic as we make it out to be; I am not however talking about punishments given under Sharia law. Is it impossible to think that it might be a reasonable alternative to these lengthy prison sentences for non-violent crimes?